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281  Local / Marketplace (India) / Re: Unocoin - Simple, Safe and Secure Way for Buying, Selling and Storing Bitcoins on: January 30, 2014, 11:36:03 PM
Well i never said i am the vanguard. We are just trying to get a chance to lobby with RBI. To us this looks to be the right path. If this appears wrong to you, i cannot do much.
To start with, bitcoin itself cannot have an association in any country because it is decentralized in nature. But we need an association to connect the centralized regulators with decentralized currency. If you have a better way, i have my ears open.

SORRY FOR THE TYPO: NDA also wants to help RBI to write the regulations for virtual currencies in India.
It should have been RBI and not BAI lol. So now this should make some sense to you i guess. Regulation can never be made to benefit of someone unless it benefits and safeguards

There is no one who can really speak about bitcoin on behalf of entire bitcoin community in india. It is not our attempt to do it as well.

BAI being newly formed, the only thing it has done till now is to gather a press meet which had NDA to declare bitcoin is per se not illegal based on their techno legal analysis team. The meet also gave more info about bitcoin and business and trading with bitcoin where a common man was in the illusion that bitcoin is illegal based on ED and IRS raids to bitcoin business. His statements got published in 18+ news papers and a couple of TV channels which we believe helped to get credibility of bitcoin back a little bit. If I or you call a press meet and say that just because we already know it is not per se illegal, it wont become the news. We needed a credible law and auditing firm to declare after they did the needed analysis.
We have plans to perform more through BAI in near future but again waiting for the registration to complete.

That typo should answer your next 3 statements. We believe that, safeguarding an economy is only possible when there are businesses around out. Safe guarding business in turn safe guards its customers and hence the economy sustains. Tomorrow if India as well declares bitcoin as illegal, you need an association to fight with - i am not sure if you get this part. That is the reason i am saying, i would be happy to join an association if some one is willing to put one together if they do not like they way we are trying to head BAI.

It is a pity where apart from founding members putting their own money towards association, the association also needs to convince that it is not doing it for its own benefit or just for the benefit of its founding members haha.

You make once of the  most epic typo and place holder mistakes, firstly this  BAI is not yet formed. secondly it is formed by businesses that have in the past shown an interest towards maximizing profits and very little community spirit. you tried to push bitcoin into the limelight to fast to soon. then decided to get a bitcoin idiotic investment conference. with many of your  members over inflating figures.

Why am i not trusting that your association would be for the benefit of the people? Its because you have not  shown a lot of ethical behavior, let me start by pointing out the conference, you decided that the first conference in India. Where, give a take a few thousand people ever used Bitcoins, would require a conference to be head in a hotel and charge an entry fee more expensive that a three course lobster meal in a three star Michelin restaurants, that made it look like bitcoin businesses in india we the next bit IT thing.  

Then came the over bloated figures 30,0000. Some where in the conference someone said that there was over 5,00,000/- btc in india (should have just said over 9000! jk).  
and then the press picked up saying there are about 50 establishment in india accepting bitcoins i can count about only 10 services and goods businesses in india right now doing active btc transactions.

Then as soon as the conference happened the ED had to raid Mahin, Coincidence much. Huh

Ok i bet this is how the RBI must have thought, they cam to the conference took down numbers and did a calculation of their owe. take BTC500,000
multiply by the rate of $900 that gives them a value of $450,000,000
now lets multiply that by let say the exchange rate lets give it  Rs 60 which is Rs 27,00,00,00,000/-,  
Now lets look at the number of people 30,000, which gives them an average of Rs 9,00,000/- worth of btc they hold. Next they took a look at businesses that accepted bitcoin 50 establishments they must have thought lets find these 50  businesses, but they can find it.
So now they start to think, 'there is so much money' , 'we dont know  who holds these bitcoin, we dont know who are these 50 establishments providing btc service in india'. then what is the money being used for.

Obvious answer would be money laundering and criminal activity. Bling !!! what did you think people  holding  such  huge assets and no place to spend it, would they have been said " Wow amazing  you guys are  rich and  getting richer day by day let  have more people enter this system where  there are no  services to spend your bitcoin on."

Next you decided to put the figures to 8% which was like BTC960,000/- (I'm not even going to bother  with this calculation).

Then you decided to launch your exchange (Which was a good move, i supported it), however the first problem was you decided to uses someone elses name to boost your business(Justifications here wont work), you could  have  used any thing to have that placeholder.

Next came the association, which was a piece of work. using  whatsapp to get members in a hastily thought up plan. decided to call your  self an association without any registration done before hand. and announce to the the world that this group of people  that was formed would make up the association. i still remember reading the chat where in you all were scrambling to  find members  asking people  to  join in. But to  what no one had an idea on its direction, just that ED has done a raid and no one knew what to  do.  

then you go have a lawyer  say what you want and now pay that lawyer 10 lakhs, for 10 lakhs a chicken will give birth to a duck.

Next you start charging your users for a BAI donation and and make it mandatory. Only after  people  said, that is wrong you decided to not charge the donation. and still you  have some type of fee(I dont knkow  much about your  fee structure).

You are using the Old School Indian Business practices. " Trample over your customer, because i am the only player and i do what ever i want."

Oh and the typo " NDA also wants to help BAI to write the regulations for virtual currencies in India " = RBI i dont  buy it.

Oh and did i read some place that you only got involved in bitcoin around may 2013 when the prices hit the roof and made headlines. Did that shock your  head as a potential money making scheme ?

And what happened to your  mining shares you had started?

Looking at all these things it shows how  unethically you are running your  business and if you are any going to be good for the bitcoin ecosystem in India.

Yeh! BAI has a purpose of only safeguarding the Business interest, and is not even suppose to be  mentioned on your website, just because the Foundation did that on Gox you should not  do that, look  at gox it is declining  day by day. greed does not  play any role in a decentralize system.  

Just look at the shear number of massive fuckups made in the course of  a year. does not  take a rocket scientist to come to a conclusion that some one is doing  some thing wrong.

oh!
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It is a pity where apart from founding members putting their own money towards association, the association also needs to convince that it is not doing it for its own benefit or just for the benefit of its founding members haha.

Yeh its a pity, ckz..... NO ONE KNOW HOW SPENT HOW MUCH IN YOUR  BOYS CLUB AND ON WHAT THINGS! JUST STATING  THAT YOU SPENT MONEY DOES NOT PROVE ANY THING. PUTTING MONEY INTO YOUR ASSOCIATION DOES NOT SIGNIFY THAT YOU ARE DOING THIS FOR THE BENEFIT OF ANY ONE ELSE . IT SHOWS YOU HAVE INVESTED YOU OWN MONEY INTO SOME THING TO GET A VESTED BENEFIT OUT OF IT. IF YOU WANT THE  COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT YOU YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE TRANSPARENT ON WHAT YOUR CLUB WAS  DOING, AND NOT  ANNOUNCE IT IN THE TIME YOU ARE BEING QUESTIONED BY PEOPLE.


I AM NOW  CALLING UNOCOIN AND THE  BAI A HARMFUL ENTERPRISE. AND WOULD ADVISE USERS TO  USE  ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVE SERVICE.  



282  Local / Alt Coins (India) / Re: What is a Scrypt coin ? on: January 30, 2014, 09:12:19 PM

No Scrypt is the hashing algo used on altcoins.  diferent alt coins may use different hashing algo.

Litecoin , feathercoin and Dogecoin uses scrypt .

Bitcoin uses sha256
283  Local / India / Re: DogeCoin Helps Indian Atheletes to Winter Olympics on: January 30, 2014, 09:10:22 PM
Doge


Such charity

Very good

many thanks

much gratefully

Wow
 
 Wink

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284  Local / India / Re: Why do these fu*ktards not say something positive about bitcoin ? on: January 30, 2014, 08:44:34 PM
Because Economist dont understand cryptography.

Vice verse is true? If yes then, why should we listen to technologist/cryptograph-ist claim of "Renaissance of money."

I don't think there is much to understand about cryptography ... most of us in the community don't understand the mathematical details of the processes (or maybe I am wrong). We just need to rely on the fundamental principles and trust the experts behind them.

I believe economists should look at it as a new paradigm instead of looking at it from the same prism. (Then again im no economist/mathematician either .)

PS: BTCIndia what was the clincher for Szabo ?

For those who struggle with cryptography. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=246307.0
285  Local / Marketplace (India) / Re: Unocoin - Simple, Safe and Secure Way for Buying, Selling and Storing Bitcoins on: January 30, 2014, 07:06:10 AM
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BAI: As the buyers and sellers of bitcoin on Unocoin, you will be needed to donate 0.5% of transaction value to BAI by default. How ever you can increase this donation upto 2% or even opt out of it.  Unocoin will pay 0.5% of transction value to BAI irrespective of customer choice of donation. BAI is a non profit organization that is trying to lobby with RBI and attempting to support some bitcoin businesses in India. You can read more about this on News section of Unocoin.

If i am correct your BAI is not yet registered.  In fact i am wondering how you could Announce this without any registration. To take donation in its name, is what's wrong.  If i am correct, you are taking this amount before registration, then this really shows how unethical you run your business and money focused it is.  Tell me i am wrong .


Before Unocoin started accepting donations to BAI, Unocoin did consult our law and auditing firm to know if it can do it. Only after we have heard we can do it and we can even use those funds to pay to the registration of non profit organization, Unocoin have started it. There may be a specific time frame with in which Unocoin needs to pay it to BAI that i do not remember on top of my head. After understanding how fragile bitcoin business is in India, we are consulting law firm for every step we are taking and even consulting as many people as possible who we think have some idea of legal implications regarding the step we are taking. How ever the expenses for registration is already paid for from the founding member's pockets and is in progress. Just after registration, BAI have a bill of 10+ Lakhs INR ahead to pay to NDA. I should say NDA team working their ass out looking into countless law books before they say any little word out and presenting the press meet and now presenting to RBI is not an easy job. BAI just wanted to be best so that there is no repenting in future. How ever as we understood not every customer (2 so far) is interested to donate to BAI, we have made the donations optional.

Obviously BAI wont be able to collect so much donations no matter what. All those monies are coming from the pockets of founding members in varying proportions depending upon their ability to donate to BAI. We had to ask new membership and business membership to hold on as BAI do not have the bank accounts to take membership fee as per the advice given to us. If we were just money minded we would not really be donating 0.5% of every trade value on Unocoin to BAI irrespective of customer preference to donate to BAI, then spending our own monies to lobby with RBI on behalf of so many past and present bitcoin businesses in India. ED had called Nishith to answer some of the questions last week and Nishith said the meeting did go well but he had declined to answer the press questions outside. From CoinMonk end, the questions asked from IRS has been answered in a PDF and been emailed to them who have said they will take it up with the financial ministry in subsequent meetings. With present plans, BAI should be able to present to RBI in third or forth week of feb. So this is the update from BAI and CoinMonk end.
I am sure all of our aim has been to hear something from RBI or financial ministry regarding bitcoin which will ease up bitcoin businesses in India and BAI is fighting for the same. If there was an organization doing this already, i would have been very happy to join and help them instead of looking at starting a new organization.
If the presentation to RBI goes successful, NDA also wants to help BAI to write the regulations for virtual currencies in India. NDA are the people who played a major role in writing regulation for e-commerce when it was new to India. We dont know what will be the NDA bill for the same.

If you are willing to join your hands as well, we would be happy to welcome you as a individual member or business member once we start accepting memberships.

Firstly i would like to tell you, you are working on a trust based system. you are trying to operate like a traditional business (no problem in that) . However you are not a vanguard of Bitcoin in India. This membership club you created does not adhear to what bitcoin is about.  Who are you to contract some one to write regulation's to bitcoin. This looks like a precursor to a monopoly on the bitcoin market.

I will be the first to call this a False shell, and will rally the community to denounce the association in public and discredit you attempt to bring in regulations that benefit you.
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NDA also wants to help BAI to write the regulations for virtual currencies in India

This is a decentralized system your association is a investors support group. Do not be in a illusion that you speak on behalf of the community. 

BAI has never actively participated in any thing worthwhile to the community besides looking to their own gains.

Your very attempt to raise 10lakhs from your customers to benefit you shows how unethical you run your  business. before you even have a Association you started to take money on its behalf.

I dont think you are a good thing to the bitcoin economy in india, and is going to end up hurting it more.

Dont want to join your association and dont think you are  doing  any good.

286  Local / Marketplace (India) / Re: Unocoin - Simple, Safe and Secure Way for Buying, Selling and Storing Bitcoins on: January 30, 2014, 04:35:33 AM
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BAI: As the buyers and sellers of bitcoin on Unocoin, you will be needed to donate 0.5% of transaction value to BAI by default. How ever you can increase this donation upto 2% or even opt out of it.  Unocoin will pay 0.5% of transction value to BAI irrespective of customer choice of donation. BAI is a non profit organization that is trying to lobby with RBI and attempting to support some bitcoin businesses in India. You can read more about this on News section of Unocoin.

If i am correct your BAI is not yet registered.  In fact i am wondering how you could Announce this without any registration. To take donation in its name, is what's wrong.  If i am correct, you are taking this amount before registration, then this really shows how unethical you run your business and money focused it is.  Tell me i am wrong .

287  Local / India / Re: Delhi Starts a Meetup Group on: January 29, 2014, 09:16:18 PM


Meetup on the 1st of Feb http://www.meetup.com/Bitcoin-in-Delhi/
288  Local / India / Re: List of Bitcoin Based businesses (India) on: January 29, 2014, 06:45:25 PM


that number should be  divided by 10
       Tongue
289  Local / India / Re: MY android Phone was compromised Need some Suggestion . on: January 29, 2014, 06:43:49 PM
Shocked Shocked

Today(29.01.2014) 1:31 PM a someone (37.221.173.228) hacked my Gmail account and he recovered BTC-e and Cryptsy Passwords.
I think he stole my gmail Password from My New android Phone (No antivirus installed on this Phone, I installed few apps and game from playstore, amazon and some blogs)

http://s28.postimg.org/s7xufn2fh/ADDDDD.png
hacker ip details :
 37.221.173.228  Voxility
 68.191.222.227

I didn't enable 2-step verification factor authentication  on this account because all linked accounts (btc-e,cryptsy and Gox) are inactive(0$)   Smiley  as per my knowledge i he got nothing for hacking me  , so am planning to Give some Reward Grin For Him (37.221.173.228,68.191.222.227 ) if he contact me.
 

http://s30.postimg.org/6qw8j56w1/ADDD.png

am new to android please give some suggestion about android security

Have you used the same username and pass on any other Bitcoin related service?


guys you should always have  a  security practice  of  having  three email accounts. one personal(Only the most trusted people get's it, and have it secured using  two factor), one commercial(Banking, Bitcoin and financial services), general(This you give it out to the  world, download apps and access from a unsecured  connection).

your account is  hacked Which brings me to  say this again. please  use  two factor  on all your Bitcoin trading  accounts.  buy a  Yubikey from here. https://store.yubico.com/store/catalog/index.php?cPath=2

I  will write up a tutorial on a security plan you can implement  for your online account later today, hopefully i  will get some time to do this.
290  Local / India / Re: Why there is difference? on: January 29, 2014, 06:34:42 PM
As we know, Buysellbitco.in has halted trade after ED's raid and so did Unocoin. After week or two Unocoin taking things in hand decided to go live and buysellbitco.in not. Why is the difference amount Bitcoin enthusiast? Isn't there unity among people here? Seems like fork has already formed when BAI came into existence. What is the status of Indian community according to you?

Why do u ask such controversial questions ? See what is going on here => https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=369278.60

Has not buysellbitco.in resumed operation yet ? I can see Mahin Gupta is back to the forum for.............

Well the clash, is a clash of  ideas and  the basic opensource principles (FOSS), The way businesses in the  bitsoin global community was conducted is through mutual and gained trust, Trust is  one of the biggest things in the  bitcoin community, 'Caveat Emptor' is the model businesses are  based on, and falls on the community to provide a safety net by pointing out  wrong business practices.

When things fall on the buyer to take most of the risk, a  community needs to take care of it and look to  the benefit of the  community, not a  business  venture.
291  Local / Marketplace (India) / Re: BTC for sell at BitStamp Price on: January 29, 2014, 04:16:35 AM
hi guys i need to sell 3BTC urgently so oly  im selling it off at BitStamp price i accept escrow any1 as long as they are legit pls pm me as soon as possible

Put it up on bitquick.in they are a escrow exchange.
292  Local / Marketplace (India) / Re: [ANN]Buy/Sell Bitcoin fast, quick and secure with BitQuick.in! 1% buy, 0% sell on: January 28, 2014, 07:35:34 PM
only email to contact ? no phone or place address Embarrassed

They are a escrow exchange and untile now  have  done  a  good job.

they hold the sellers BTC and the buyer directly transfers money to the seller. once the seller gets paid BitQuick transfers the BTC to the buyer.
https://bitquick.in/faq
293  Other / Meta / Re: MODS Give Us Back Giveaway Threads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on: January 28, 2014, 07:01:26 PM
I am glad this  happened. The Giveaway thread was just going  out of control. we should have threads that can be informative and support the alt coin ecosystem.

If you had looked at the Altcoin section a few days back the only thing you would see is a section filled with giveaway.

May be a  subsection for giveaway's only would be a  better fit, but this is also fine.

people wanting to do giveaways can still do giveaway as long as they dont encourage massive address spam.

Giveaway's are  not dead. so dont worry about it. 
294  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Giveaway threads are not allowed on: January 28, 2014, 06:50:36 PM
Thank you :-)
295  Local / Press & News from India / Re: [24-01-2014] Next Big What - Delhi Based Entrepreneurs Launch HighKart on: January 28, 2014, 04:59:38 PM
Not entirely FUD id say but I do sense some vested interest maybe. barter is absolutely fine but when converting/selling to cash due precautions must be taken so as to not violate the law (since there are no laws currently foe btc specifically )

PS : Hey benson same ignore problem I spoke about earlier ... btcindia is now on my ignore list too .. not sure how this ignore thing works  Huh Maybe when you ignore others get the same setting passed on or something ..or is it just happening with my profile dunno

Never seen anyone so right about my "vested interested".  Grin

Lol I must say you have a nice sense of humour to take it sportingly ... the reason I said that was because you seemes to be coming down on the post a bit harshly and more importantly also you asking him about BTC volumes about his business .. that seems like wanting to know more than what is usually neccessary .. thats why "vested interest" ... but I'm glad you took it sportingly, appreciate the spirit Cheesy

Humor? I speak straigh from the heart. Sometimes its please other times harsh. Reason, why I highlighted those concerns is obvious. I'm myself worried about interpretation of laws for scope of accepting bitcoin for goods.  I was expecting him to reply me back with some warrants(referring laws) justifying, Highcart can accept Bitcoin(only if he engaged someone to guide him before jumping in quicksand of bitcoin). Seems like he's one man army. Well, I'd prefer to wait until my legal adviser reports me with feasibility of Bitcoin acceptance before going live with e-commerce. As far as spirit is concern, I regret my 'spirit of inquiry'.

P.S.: Products also matters. And his rates are not at all attractive. Someone must explain him, Bitcoin is gold and if you wish people to buy normal goods for gold then. You must plan accordingly. I'm never gonna buy those mediocre products with Bitcoin knowing btc value will probably be much more in future. Remember pizza case? Hope, I justified why I asked for BTC volume. I doubt Castle bloom so far served anyone for Bitcoin. Same will happen with Highkart.  Grin


BTCIndia you  speak like an investor, and in investor speak you are  absolutely correct, however you are also  completely wrong. The only reason why BTC increases in value is, because of its intrinsic value to be used as a  currency. not  as an investment. If people will stop using BTC as a  currency then BTC  will become void, its value will drop like a  rock and  will actually hold the Tulip crash true.

Because BTC can be  used as  currency people  buy it to be  able to use it.

Highkart has put in  a  good number of work in his  site  design, and a lot of products which is  a  good  thing (Dont know about  operation or warehousing or  procurement strategies so can comment on it). If  he manages his business properly and makes it  convenient for people  to buy from his site  rather than flipkart or ebay, then he will make sure  that Bitcoin in india  will flourish, it will be one  stepping stone  for  having  more  service and  goods transact using  bitcoin.

The more  people  uses  bitcoin to do transaction, the more the  value  of Bitcoin goes higher.

I can  give you examples of alot of thing where  in people  spent bitcoin on trivial things and now when you look at it, it may look like a waste. That is how the  bitcoin economy works. It's not  a traditional  Inflationary economic, but  rather  the opposite.  If i had kept all my bitcoin from the early day i could have retired by now, but i did not. Instead used the btc to  promote its growth and  buy  thing i needed.
296  Local / India / Re: Anybody from Bihar? on: January 28, 2014, 03:48:19 PM
NONE Seriously? Not unexpected

I'm sure Lalu ji was in btc .... until his bhaisiya ate all the bitcoins in the fodder scam :p .... jk .. I'm sure a lot of people are involved but I wonder why they are not coming forward/active on the forums. Huh

Ckz the RBI has scared the shit out of most people.
297  Local / India / Re: Bitcoin & Open Source with Aaron Koenig at CIS on: January 28, 2014, 10:51:31 AM
Coindesk will be reporting on the event with Video coverage.
We should have an event on the 8th as well at Microsoft.

that's nice. This is a good thing that is happening.
298  Local / India / Re: Crack down starts? on: January 28, 2014, 10:11:43 AM
They shouldn't have had the Bitcoin Foundation in the first place .. some schmuck gets arrested from there and people start selling like noobs .. forgetting that BTC is DECENTRALIZED ... anyways the guy hasn't been around doing much in/for the community of late.


I was always against the foundation and any centralized group that proposes to talk on behalf of the btc community.
This goes for the Indian one. i dont recognize them nor do i support what they do.  

Decentralization is the core of bitcoin, even communities need to be decentralized, with no power structure.
299  Local / India / Re: List of Bitcoin Based businesses (India) on: January 28, 2014, 09:57:03 AM
hi can u add unocoin.com to this list as well

Sure ! put up an announcement and start interacting with the community.
Will add it to the list.
Yes would do. One last module for unocoin is still being developed and tested. I am also yet to re-write few info and statements on the website. Once those are done, we will also be coming out of trial mode and would do the announcement - most probably on feb 1st. I am waiting to do it soon as well.

When you say start interacting with community.. i believe i have always been since i got to know about bitcoins in may 2013. Am i missing something?

Sorry if i was a  bit ambiguous about my statement about interacting with the community. I meant, when you make the announcement, and start interacting with the community, you need to start you first step by being part of the bitcoin community and building you business.

Interaction as an individual is a different  thing, a community participation as a business is different. you will need to integrate you business with a community that is built on trust.you need to gain and earn trust first.  
300  Local / India / Re: Crack down starts? on: January 27, 2014, 06:43:33 PM
Gosh you DOGE douchebags I hate you for eating away at my LTC hashing power Tongue .... wait till my chikun starts flying Cheesy

such hate, Envy much, very buthurt, wow!

lol im just kidding Tongue .... but yea for the record I hate altcoins with zero innovation .

you have to  love Doge, who does not love doge. it's so  cute.
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