@Bryant: yes, you are right, though progress is steadily made with new medical centres being opened in various regions. Yet compared to that rather weak state of affairs in Russian regions, Crimea anno 2014 was even worse off!
With Galdur's quote mentioning the anthem of Sevastopol, and given the occasion, the following repost is in order. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Just some educational information. Sevastopol has its own anthem, and the words of the anthem should make any invader think twice. Sung in full here (note that the video was uploaded in 2011. Spot the scenes that virtually say to Ukraine and the West, "don't push too hard, the citizens of Sevastopol are fed up and might take action"): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMKOgIEPD-cFly winged wind, Over seas, over land. Tell the whole world About my beloved town. Tell to the whole world That on Crimean shores Our grandfathers fought And glorified in battle. [Chorus:] Legendary Sevastopol, Impregnable to enemies Sevastopol, Sevastopol, The pride of Russian sailors Here we went to the rightful and holy battles For our Motherland And your previous glory, Have we multiplied Having shrugged of black overcoats, The Black Sea sailors during the days of War Went against tanks with only handgrenades Your sons went to their deaths [Chorus] If across the sea enemies should come to us with swords, We'll meet unwelcomed guests with annihilating fire The whole of beloved country knows That the battleships do not sleep, And are guarding surely The shores of homeland [Chorus] Music: Vano Muradeli Text: Petr Gragov Written: 1954 Ratified as the official anthem of Sevastopol on 29.07.1994 Russian text here: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BD_%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8FYou can hear a rendition of it here, where a girl spontaneously performed it at an election locale: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MERVP8BhP00Ukrainians tried to re-write the text in 2006, replacing "Russian sailors" with "Ukrainian sailors", "Sevastopol" with "whitestone fortress", and "kozaks" were added. The reaction of the citizens was strongly negative, to say the least. I prey that US/NATO warmongers are not stupid enough and that Western soldiers would not need to hear that song performed on the other side of the trenches, as the citizens of Sevastopol yet again rise to defend their city from an "invasion from across the sea".
Several videos from the yesterdays' celebrations and fireworks here: https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2016/03/18/2-years-of-crimeas-reunification-with-russia-results-and-celebrations/
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As people of Crimea, Sevastopol and the rest of Russia are celebrating the second anniversary of their reunification, Mogerini - the US Manchurian Candidate within EU and a bitter crone in her own right - is urging UN(!) to impose "moar sanctionz" on Russia - for Russia's lifting of the 60-year-long occupation of Crimea by Ukraine, where over the last 24 years the Crimeans were meat with especially vicious Ukrainisation attempts, while the weeks before the secession they were murdered and tortured by Ukro-Nazis, who came to Crimea to, as they were defining it, "teach Crimeans how to love Ukraine". http://www.aif.ru/politics/world/es_prizval_strany_oon_prisoedinitsya_k_sankciyam_protiv_rossiiSeeing Mogerini's attempts is quite comical, when the countries within EU (including Mogerini's homeland - Italia) are crying for abolition of the sanctions, which are severely hurting EU, while helping Russia promote its own agriculture. Meanwhile, here are some photo's from the celebration of the anniversary: http://www.krym.aif.ru/society/dva_goda_v_rossii_kak_v_krymu_otmechayut_vtoruyu_godovshchinu_referenduma
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I think I have an explanation for the surprise the West expresses regarding Russian withdrawal (including this thread). The West measures Russian actions with the same stock as those of USA. And what does US usually do? Move into a country uninvited, wreck havoc and stay as an occupational force (cases in point: Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia). Russia came invited, achieved the goals set (break the back of the head-choppers, remove the threat of said head-choppers infiltrating into Russia, allow the Syrian Army to take control of the situation, prevent disintegration of Syria, and allow diplomacy to take over), and now Russia can pull back. Also Russia does not need to be quagmired in the conflict, like it did with Taliban (later renamed into Al-Quaeda and then into ISIS) in Afghanistan in the 80s - a lesson was learned. Besides, Russia retains its only military base at the foreign shores (USA has about 800, and actually managed to build 2 new in Syria). I actually wrote about it on the 2nd of March here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1383318.msg14073653#msg14073653
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Some good news from Crimea. When the republic reunified with Russia, one of the programs that was set into motion was revival of its health sector. 17 hospital buildings needed a major overhaul, as they never been revamp since they were built about 50 years ago. New X-Ray and tomography machines were installed, and the ambulance service was overhauled. The health sector of Crimea starts to get into a civilised state now.
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Russia retreats from Syria? Yeah right, like they retreated from Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine? ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) This is just a tactic, meant to get more long-term concessions from Assad. To show him that he can be left alone again, and he'll sign whatever Putin wants. Russia cannot by definition retreat from Moldova - the UN-mandated peacekeeping forces were put there to stop the genocide of the Russian population of the Pridnestrovie. Russia cannot by definition retreat from Georgia - it's not in Georgia. When Georgia attacked and killd Russian peacekeepers and Ossetian civilians, Russia responded and drove invading Georgian forces back for a few days, then retreated. The relations between Russia and Georgia are quite ok now, when the criminal Saakashvili, wanted by Gerogia, went on the run (and is foverning Odessa now) Russia cannot by definition retreat from Ukraine, because a) Russian forces are not in Ukraine; b) Ukraine is Novorossia, Malirossia and Galicia. Of the three, the first two are de-facto Russia (at least were, until 1918-1922, when Lenin created the Ukraine of today, for which Ukrainians topple his monuments).
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Funny that russian bombs were one of the causes for the refugee wave. I really dont understand why putin did that. Everybody is able to google some newspaper headlines, compare the dates and find out that you're lying deliberately. Go and try to find fools elsewhere, please. I dont even know what to say.That you don't pay attention to the facts? The start of the refugee flood from Turkey, when Turkey opened the floodgates and released all those people they were accumulating over the course of 2-3 years: June-July 2015, and the critical mass was reached by the beginning of September. Here is a BBC article from the 4th of September: http://www.bbc.com/russian/international/2015/09/150904_eu_migrant_crisis_hungaryThe start of the Russian operation in Syria: 30th of September 2015. The American coordinators, who organised and financed the flood of "refugees" missed with their operation by a few months. Fragment from: http://stanislavs.org/apocalypse-of-europespecial-report-from-the-flooded-by-refugees-austria/Spreading the gifted blankets, people lay down to rest on the pavement. Munich slows down with a reply today: the refugee centres there are already over-crowded, they just do not know what to do. “We were promised that we’d be in Germany today, – complains Khamis, a 44-year-old engineer from Damascus. – But now it turns out that the Germans were not prepared to accept more people. What to do? We sit on each other’s heads.” Meanwhile, in the course of the conversation an interesting thing turns up. Khamis has lived in the camp “for displaced persons” in Turkey (Mardin province) for two years and did not think about Europe: for the smugglers took 10 000 dollars per person for transport by sea to Greece, while he had nowhere near that kind of money. So, in July there came some unidentified recruiters to their camp – they promised free shipping to Europe. One had to agree to the offer quickly and to go right away. “I think it is very necessary for someone that Europe is drowned with refugees – said Khamis. – But honestly, I do not want to go into details. I’m just happy that I’m far away from war.”
– Many Europeans probably wonder: The war in Libya and Syria began five years ago, and in Iraq as far back as in 2003, so why do hundreds of thousands of people poured into the EU now? – says political consultant of the Lebanese TV channel “Al-Manar” Mohammed Aswad. – Turkey kept the Syrians behind barbed wire, their passports were confiscated, they were not allowed to leave the camps. And suddenly there come recruiters, offering a free ride into Europe. Why such selflessness? Turkey, the closest US ally, suddenly opens the door, releasing a crowd of fugitives who freely enter the EU. Now the question is: Who benefits? The main dividends are received by the United States. The tide of migrants means huge costs for the weak EU economy, which will lead to a drop in the Euro, worsening crime situation in Europe. As a result, the EU has no resources to bother with the United States, and Washington will be able to smoothly carry out its plans for the control of oil sources in the Middle East in order to bring the price of oil to $10 per barrel.
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Novgorod - Hólmgarđur - Island or islet town
Kiev - Kćnugarđur - Boat town
Constantinople - Mikligarđur - Big city
These names are about a thousand years old here.
I think the -garđur suffix is basically the same as gorod in Russian.
Interesting, Galdur. Yes, Icelandic "garđur" has the same root as Norwegian "gĺrd", as Russian "gorod" / "-grad", as in English "guard". There are very many common Scandinavian and Slavic words, some having only slightly divergent contemporary meaning: "Jar", "Odin", "Holm", "As" (as in "Asgard"), "Esel", "Tallerken", "List"... Incidentally, "holm" in Russian means "hill", which is close enough to the Scandinavian meaning - both are "elevated ground". It means an islet in Icelandic. I guess the old Novgorod was surrounded by wetland and appeared like it was an island to those vikings. The readers of those old sagas probably could care less about some Constantine, Grand City was much more to the point. Same for the other names. It´s descriptive for literary purposes. I know, galdur. I was simply pointing to a possible common semantic root of the word "holm" in Slavic and Scandinavian languages. A fragment from Wikipedia: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4Specialists are attracted by one of the meanings of the Scandinavian name of the city ("Holmgard") - "cluster of villages, flooded during floods" [19]. Probably by Holmgard was meant a chain of settlements from the origins of the Volkhov (Peryn, Rurik settlement) and up to the Holopje gorodok (opposite Krechevitsy, the village Novonikolayevsk) - see Gardariki. [19]. Later, the center of city life moved to Novgorod, and Rurik's township became the princely residence. [20] What interests me more is a note a little further: The official date of the emergence of Novgorod is considered to be year 859 [21] [22] [23]; at the same time based on late Nikon chronicle [24] (composed in the XVI century, there is no information about the foundation or the construction of Novgorod under this date in this source). However, the annals do not specifically tell about the foundation of the city during this year, while one the year 6367 (859) there is a record of Gostomysl's death - a Novgorod elder - that can not be recognized as the date of foundation of Novgorod. The author of the official date of foundation of the city has become a historian MN Tikhomirov, who made a presentation at a scientific conference in Novgorod, on the eve of 1959, which made it possible to mark that year the 1100th anniversary of Novgorod [25] Also, Novgorod in Russian means "New Town". According to some researchers, it refers to the founding of a new city as the Slavic people moved further East away from the advancing Germanic nation. I wonder what happened to about 5000 years of Slavic history... About the transition to the European – Christian-based – calendar. With that Calendar reform of Peter I in 1700 [7208 by the Slavic Calendar], a large chunk of the Russian history was erased and re-written. Just think – year 2016 is 7524 by the Slavic Calendar, which starts its counting from the “peace treaty with the Dragon [presumably, China]”. The word "calendar" originates from the old Slavic "Kolo Dar" - "Wheel of Time"
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Прочитал тему, после того, как заметил следующую статью: Минфин рассчитывает на расследование дел об обмене биткоинов Следственным комитетомhttps://rns.online/finance/Minfin-rasschitivaet-na-rassledovanie-del-ob-obmene-bitkoinov-Sledstvennim-komitetom-2016-03-11/Полномочия по расследованию дел об обмене криптовалют на рубли, скорее всего, получит Следственный комитет, сообщили RNS в пресс-службе Минфина. Ведомство подготовило и направило на межведомственное согласование соответствующий законопроект.
«Один из принципиальных вопросов, который предстоит решить в ходе обсуждений, — чья это будет подследственность. В вероятном итоге это будет закреплено за Следственным комитетом. Наказание предполагается довольно жесткое, но это обусловлено особенностями нашего процессуального законодательства», — пояснили в Минфине.
Первая версия законопроекта о введении уголовной ответственности за использование денежных суррогатов была представлена в сентябре, тогда замечания к документу возникли у Минюста. В частности, Минюст обратил внимание на неопределенность понятия «денежные суррогаты», говорили RNS в этом ведомстве. Также отмечалось, что дополнение Уголовного кодекса Российской Федерации проектируемой статьей 187.1 может повлечь конкуренцию с уже действующей статьей 187 «Неправомерный оборот средств платежей».
Министерство финансов сузило состав преступления — теперь речь идет только об обмене криптовалют.
«Но за счет этого предлагаем ввести наказание, которое предполагает преступление средней тяжести. Только при средней тяжести начинается право оперативно-розыскной деятельности. По административному правонарушению нет возможности проводить оперативно-розыскную деятельность», — пояснили в ведомстве.
Статья 187 УК предусматривает наказание за изготовление, приобретение, хранение, транспортировку в целях использования или сбыта, сбыт поддельных платежных карт, распоряжений о переводе денежных средств, документов или средств оплаты. Максимальное наказание — до 6 лет лишения свободы, а за совершенные в составе организованной группы деяния — до 7 лет. Уже о 6-7 годах заговорили... С одной стороны власти можно понять - борьба с выводом капиталов в офшоры вроде бы как. С другой, запрет ничего не решит, и жаль, что власти прибегают к такомы шагу. Спрашивалось о том, как дела с BTC обстоят в Европе. Могу привести пример Норвегии. Власти признали BTC "виртуальной валютой", и приравлняли их к активам, как акции и ценные бумаги, а посему BTC подлежит налогообложению как с состояния, так и с доходов от их продаж, в то время как потери дают поблажки к налогам. BTC так же расценияется как услуга, а посему подлежат уплате НДС при обороте. Для интересующихся, сноска на норвежский сайт налоговой инспекции: http://www.skatteetaten.no/no/Radgiver/Rettskilder/Uttalelser/Prinsipputtalelser/Bruk-av-bitcoins--skatte--og-avgiftsmessige-konsekvenser/
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The latest chapter in the 9/11 charade: A regional judge of New York ruled that Iran (!) must pay to the relatives of the victims of the 9/11 $10.5 billion as a compensation. The judge ruled that Iran could not prove that it's innocent of helping the terrorists. Truly, the famous American "guilty until proven innocent"! https://rns.online/economy/Sud-SSHa-obyazal-Iran-viplatit-zhertvam-terakta-11-sentyabrya-bolee-105-mlrd-2016-03-10/Let's remember that according to the official open documents the perpetrators were from Saudi Arabia, some were US citizens, and some were recruited by CIA; they received flight instructions in USA (and according to the instructor, the one who allegedly flew the invisible plane into Pentagon could hardly handle a single-motor Cessna). To punish Saudi Arabia, USA quite logically destroyed Iraq and Afghanistan, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in the process. And now, it seems, it's Iran's turn (Iraq, Iran - Americans won't notice a one-letter difference!) It's the same as EU's sanctions against Russia for Ukraine's not abiding by the Minsk-2 agreements and for Kiev's continued murder of the civilians in Donbass. The same twisted logic.
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To answer OP yes, they do - the three-letter agencies...
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There is a Russian documentary/debate TV program, called "Special Correspondent". The two recent editions were very informative. The one from the 2nd of March is called "Guantanamo the Ukrainian way": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8_cmm81PlwIt's blurb reads: Russian passport, Crimean address of residence or even an air-plane ticket to Moscow can be grounds for a person to end up behind the bars of a concentration camp in Ukraine. The film by Aleksander Buzuladze "Inmates". It looks like Ukraine is repeating the Austrian practice of WWI, which had the first concentration camps in Europe for the Russians of Galicia - Thalerhof and Teresin...
The one from yesterday is called "The Heart of Donbass": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGXQ1omaC0There are several documentaries in that program: One is about scale of the damage to the housing and the rebuilding efforts, under the constant threat of new shellings, it's about the destruction of the churches, it's about the shells from the illegal cluster bombs that Kiev used, and the explosives strewn around... And it's about the "heart of Donbass" - its coal mines, and the miners, people who kept on working even as West-Ukrainians were jumping on Maidan, and as ukro-Nazis were shelling those mines... https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=brGXQ1omaC0#t=508
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Novgorod - Hólmgarđur - Island or islet town
Kiev - Kćnugarđur - Boat town
Constantinople - Mikligarđur - Big city
These names are about a thousand years old here.
I think the -garđur suffix is basically the same as gorod in Russian.
Interesting, Galdur. Yes, Icelandic "garđur" has the same root as Norwegian "gĺrd", as Russian "gorod" / "-grad", as in English "guard". There are very many common Scandinavian and Slavic words, some having only slightly divergent contemporary meaning: "Jar", "Odin", "Holm", "As" (as in "Asgard"), "Esel", "Tallerken", "List"... Incidentally, "holm" in Russian means "hill", which is close enough to the Scandinavian meaning - both are "elevated ground".
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Norway Child Welfare Service faces growing global protestshttp://www.thelocal.no/20160212/norway-child-protection-agency-faces-further-protestsFrom one of the other articles, linked above: ... “Very many people come from other cultures with no government intervening in their domestic affairs. Then they come to Norway and the government intervenes in the family and they have no experience with this,” said Gunnar Toresen, head of the Child Protection Service in Stavanger.
Pettersen's case is not unique. According to the latest available statistics 6,737 children were taken into care in 2012, some 1,049 were immigrants or born to immigrant parents.
The actions of the Norwegian authorities have causes diplomatic disputes with a number of countries including India and Russia. ... See also (from 2013): Norway wants Brazil kid in care 'for eating wrong'http://www.thelocal.no/20131204/norway-fights-to-take-brazilian-child-into-care-for-eating-wrong...
"Put simply, it's an abuse of authority," Ana Lucia Lima, a friend of Jesumary's and a pastor at a pentecostal church in Oslo, told The Local. "They say she's not eating like it's normal to do here in Norway and that she's developing a dominating character among her friends. They say this is because she's not getting good parenting."
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The Brazilian embassy is giving Jesumary its full support, and Lima intends to lead the Brazilian community on a march to the Norwegian parliament on Saturday in protest at the decision. Jesumary, who speaks neither Norwegian nor English, recently divorced from the girl's father, a Norwegian of Chilean descent, and fought a court battle for custody over the child, which ended up involving the child welfare authority. The father told state broadcaster NRK that he also now wanted the mother and daughter to return to Brazil. "I support (her) wish that they travel to Brazil,” he told NRK. “As I see it, it’s the only solution. We don’t think this can be solved in court.”
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PS to af_newbie. You were doing quite well until you relapsed into your Putin-fixation. Although some Western MSM claim quite seriously that Putin is immortal, he did not live when the Rus lands were in the state of feudal split, nor was he alive when the chronicles were written. This will be my last direct reply to you.
If I were to answer you fully, I'd have to write a small book, referencing the chronicle "Tale of the Bygone Times" (Повесть временных лет), as well as later records. For this I have no free time...
Interestingly, what you wrote does not contradict my statements that Russian people lived on a wide stretch of land, be it in Moskovia or Novgorod or Kherson or Kiev or Galicia or Crimea. Look at the Western Europe, where the post-feudal consolidation happened much later and finished only in the end of 1800. Look at the map of what was to become Germany, France, Italy somewhere around 1500, at the time of Ivan the Formidable, when Russia was finishing its process of post-feudal consolidation. Russian people lived on the lands of Prussia (Porussia translates as "flatland Russia") in the north, while in the south there were Etruskans, Scythians, Sarmatians - the same Slavic people. Names of the people are easy to change - as was demonstrated with Ukraine - without changing the people themselves. The same people can be divided between multiple city-states - also without changing the people themselves. And they can later consolidate back into a united nation. Many factors determine what will be the unifying point. In the case of Russia, the fate pointed to Moskovia.
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I think there is not "mystery" per se - all is in the plain sight.Truth About 9/11 Would Take Down the US as a Global Empire: Dr. Kevin Barretthttp://www.globalresearch.ca/truth-about-911-would-take-down-the-us-as-a-global-empire-dr-kevin-barrett/The truth about the September 11, 2001 terror attacks would not only destabilize the American political system but it would also take down the US as a global empire, an American scholar says. Dr. Kevin Barrett, a founding member of the Scientific Panel for the Investigation of 9/11, made the remarks during an interview with Press TV on Tuesday, while commenting on the ongoing feud between Republican presidential candidates Donald Trump and Jeb Bush over the 9/11 attacks. On Friday, Trump blamed George W. Bush for the September 11, 2001 attacks. On Sunday, Trump said that if he had been president in 2001, his immigration policy would have kept al-Qaeda terrorists from attacking the US. In response, Bush said his brother, former President George W. Bush, is not responsible for the 9/11 attacks. “Look, my brother responded to a crisis, and he did it as you would hope a president would do.” “He united the country,” Bush told CNN. “He organized our country, and he kept us safe. And there’s no denying that. The great majority of Americans believe that.” ... Yes, it was all out in plain sight. Tens of thousands of people in New York City watched the planes hit the World Trade Center. It was in plain sight. And now crackpots want to claim they didn't see anything. But it was in plain sight. And nobody is denying it happened. People are denying it was done by simple terrorist organization. It's like Kennedy assassination, people who are able to think more than 10 sec have some doubt with the "official" theory. ^^^^ This. Plus the fact that those planes alone were not nearly enough to bring down those towers, as well as the WTC 7 building. The origin of the planes is also questioned. Some eyewitnesses claimed that they were unlike any airliners that they had seen.
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So why is more then half of syria on the run? Because daesh is evil and assad+russia are good? Please explain ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Yes. Half of the Syria, that is under US-financed and armed Daesh is on the run. But the "refugees" in EU are only about 1/4 Syrians - the rest are from the other countries, like Iraq and Libya, and a large portion of them are injected militants - all systematically organised through Turkey. criptix, I highly doubt that you are weak of mind and memory so as not to remember the chronology of the event of the last year. Let me remind: Russia started assisting the Syrian army in the autumn of 2015. The massive floodgate of refugees was opened by Turkey in the spring of 2015. Those refugees had been accumulating in Turkey over several years while US-backed jihadists were destroying Syria. So my only conclusion is that your insinuation is premeditated and relates to the ongoing stage of demonisation of Russia - the Western MSM propaganda campaign that Russia is responsible for the refugees coming to Europe. By the way, this propaganda was started in the Finnish press, when they started accusing Russia of letting 1000 refugees into Finland, while during the same period 90000 cam from Sweden, which is, apparently, perfectly ok.
This promises to be an enlightening read. Even the blurb is informative: *NEW*: The Dirty War on Syria: Washington, Regime Change and Resistance (PDF)https://store.globalresearch.ca/store/the-dirty-war-on-syria-washington-regime-change-and-resistance-pdf/The Dirty War on Syria has relied on a level of mass disinformation not seen in living memory. In seeking ‘regime change’ the big powers sought to hide their hand, using proxy armies of ‘Islamists’, demonising the Syrian Government and constantly accusing it of atrocities. In this way Syrian President Bashar al Assad, a mild-mannered eye doctor, became the new evil in the world.
The popular myths of this dirty war – that it is a ‘civil war’, a ‘popular revolt’ or a sectarian conflict – hide a murderous spree of ‘regime change’ across the region. The attack on Syria was a necessary consequence of Washington’s ambition, stated openly in 2006, to create a ‘New Middle East’. After the destruction of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, Syria was next in line.
Five years into this war the evidence is quite clear and must be set out in detail. The terrible massacres were mostly committed by the western backed jihadists, then blamed on the Syrian Army. The western media and many western NGOs parroted the official line. Their sources were almost invariably those allied to the ‘jihadists’. Contrary to the myth that the big powers now have their own ‘war on terror’, those same powers have backed every single anti-government armed group in Syria, ‘terrorists’ in any other context, adding thousands of ‘jihadis’ from dozens of countries.
Yet in Syria this dirty war has confronted a disciplined national army which did not disintegrate along sectarian lines. Despite terrible destruction and loss of life, Syria has survived, deepening its alliance with Russia, Iran, the Lebanese Resistance, the secular Palestinians and, more recently, with Iraq. The tide has turned against Washington, and that will have implications beyond Syria.
As western peoples we have been particularly deceived by this dirty war, reverting to our worst traditions of intervention, racial prejudice and poor reflection on our own histories. This book tries to tell its story while rescuing some of the better western traditions: the use of reason, ethical principle and the search for independent evidence. Like I said, Syria, being a secular tolerant state, had its strength in this.
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