it spent a good while at .99999999999999999999 then boom $1 then $1.10  then $1.14 back down to $1.09

I think it'll surge ahead though if anyone cares

https://btc-e.com/exchange/ltc_usd

bunch of people are selling off, but demand for LTC is suddenly booming because it rose so sharply during BTC plataeu

and is rising so sharply

we're getting funnels of BTC into the exchange

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now its at $1.10 on the rise

check it out.  and bump this thread if you think this is good info

http://postimg.org/image/rkbj3mtpz/

my question is why is this forum still advertising so diligently for BFL?  BFL probably runs this forum.  the new footage of the dude doing tests isn't convincing to me, we're talking about 10,000 rigs oor some crazy number 30,000.  I want to see footage of that.  that and his hand holding the camera had a nervous shake.  

maybe I'm wrong.  but if this forum is going to advertise a scam, they should be held responsible when it turns out to be a scam.  afterall probably 90% of BFL customers got there to BFL from the forum advertisements.  I would just ask that the forum stop advertising unless BFL provides hard proof that they are doing what they are claiming. (NOT HARD TO DO NOR AN UNREASONAbLE REQUEST)  

I'm talking a simple youtube video of all the people involved with all the equipment they're working on.  just a little "hello" for the public.  otherwise advertising for them is irresponsible in my opinion based on their 140 days of false promises.  

just because there's a youtube video out now of a dude working on a BFL board and talking about its specs gives me no confidence.  since I saw joshes youtube videos I haven't trusted BFL because his vibe just turns me off, he reminds me of scammers I know...  

people are like, "you will destroy your reputation for naysaying his royal highness josh zertan."  

I don't care, its a candid valid concern for our entire community.  forum, stop the advertising, or deliver proof its not a scam.  I guess if the forum sees the product with their own eyes that's good enough.  after all the forum is run by BFL, so their eyes are fine for confirming public trust.  I am just speculating what sort of blow this might have on the BTC economy cuz the pirate thing was only 6 mil, this is over 100 mil.

may I ask is there any thread that definitively proves or disproves that BFL is a royal heist?  please direct me.  and I will shut up about it if there is proof they aren't scammin.  thank you.

I've been investigating Butterfly labs, came to some startling facts.  they have a never ending stream of apologies for said product not being released, and another endless stream of promises that it will be just 2 more weeks.  and its gone on for 6 months now.

and there is absolutely no evidence they have provided that there is any product at all, and the forums are STILL advertising for them!?  I see their little advertisements everywhere.

correct my fact digging if I'm wrong

*josh zerlan is a douche canoe
*the original CEO of BFL was a mail fraudster https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110805.0
*they have taken in over 100 million dollars

*have absolutely no evidence that there is ANYTHING.
*reeks of scam


if they are a huge scam then it will take a huge blow to BTC, the pirate scam was $6mil and dented the BTC economy.  this is potentially over $100 mil..

why is nobody putting pressure on butterfly labs?  they are casually being advertised by the FORUM ITSELF> we are all tools for even participating in this forum then.

as far as I am concerned there is no reason to trust BFL for their demonstration of complete incompetence.  so many people stand up for them with false info and sorry hopes that their jalapeno is coming to make them rich.

tools

why hasn't this been taken down from the forum advertisements,

and why has enough pressure not been placed on BFL
to actually provide proof of their progress on ANYTHING?

what a great scam, and its like everybody just wants it to happen and lose their money as the BTC trading value turns to crap.  BFL is probably looking at me like a little fly in its way of raking in money just for speaking out about how fishy they smell.  its obvious to me.  watch BFL's videos and read between the lines, scam.  sorry tools you gotta learn.

the reason I am creating a new post is to ask HOW IS THIS FORUM STILL ADVERTISING FOR BFL WITH MORE THAN ENOUGH SPECULATED EVIDENCE THAT THEY ARE DOUCHE CANOES?

yerp

well I don't know where else to speculate.  this is the newbie section we are in, that's pretty funny.  I'm not a newb anymore.  I'm gonna end my part in this conversation here, ahssman your thoughts and insights are appreciated and understandable

could we get the facts here please? 
assman are you BFL?  if you are congratulations on making so much money on everybody.

if not could we be a bit more considerate and stop spreading misleading information?  please.  its just like why man?  unless you are BFL why muddy up the facts? 

I think ahss man is just really set on getting his jalapeno

I hope he does get his jalapeno for all our sakes. 
because I just invested a bunch of money into bitcoin and I would like to see it grow not disappear. 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110805.0

way to be an ass aahzman.  your personality reminds me of the comic book dealer from the simpsons.  you have some good lines.  I loved the golf clap you gave me.  it made my day. 

well the pirate fiasco was only $6 million and it took a blow to the bitcoin economy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108390.0 http://bitcoinmagazine.com/the-pirate-saga-and-so-it-ends/

and BFL is at over $100 million

so.... IF it ends up being a scam, I would imagine it would dent the economy pretty bad, but I think the economy will eventually recover.  but as the other guy says maybe its not a scam.  he's invested into it so of course he's going to believe all is well.


haha thanks for the golf clap, I love your response to my speculations.  its exactly what I was looking for, because on every other thread this is what is being posted, (and i wanted verifiable sources on claims) so I was fishing for truth here, and you delivered.  well without sources, but I'll google for em

so the facts are the CEO isn't a mail fraudster.  cool.  I hope everything goes well then.  for your sake.

and what I meant is that the press releases seem really professionally apologetic and full of B.S. with a never ending stream of false promises.  haha "douchcanoe!!!!" 

alright well thanks guys for bringing me up to speed I spent hours investigating this matter to judge where to put my assets.  at least its even more elusive, but the truth is coming out.  I'm gonna go verify what you said ahzman

just trying to manifest the ideal situation for mankind.  no i'm not a fortune teller, but i seen an eyefull walking the earth through the underground places.  i hang with like 7 different tribes all completely oblivious to the others existence.  if we came together it would be like a cultural A bomb fission fusion unity thing that's what I want to see.  the fireworks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IINkn2_xZMc

things are not the way they used to be

well as a community we should have some sort of pressure on shit like this, because gigantic bitcoin heists hurt the bitcoin economy and youregoing to feel it in your own investment. 

there should be some kind of mechanism implemented.  and dude who is annoyed sorry buut fuck ignore me, this thread was misleading so I had to cap it off

really just publicity and maybe lawsuits might do the trick
 
the fact that we all know about it and its still going on blows my mind.  what a bunch of pussies.  nerds need to grow some balls and stop this nonsense

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvU5ukIQiuE

I put together this video.  I also made a few other informational videos on the libertarian ron paul and plant based nutrition, as well as a video on the ancient food of man(essene bread)

all pretty interesting info...

I have this giant idea for the future of humanity, a vision.

I basically want to open up a sanctuary for all nations kindreds tongues to come and trip out on ayahuasca and peyote and vipassana meditation, and sweat lodges, and get healthy in their lives. 

I'm a member of the native american church http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_Church  and that membership sanctions this sanctuary to exist legally.  as my religion.  the religious freedom restoration act has brought us back our rights to pray in these ways.

.. so yeah, I'm experienced with the ceremonial aspects surrounding these medicines, also connected with various medicine men and women who will help me run the sanctuary but I need a huge start up, maybe crowd funding, to buy land, and dedicate it as its own nation to all the people of the earth.  all nations.

its actually LEGAL to practice ancient religion using peyote and ayahuasca, supreme court has ruled to protect my family numerous times.  and so now it is time to pave the way to bring these holy medicines into the lives of the ones close to us in the oblivious american society.  it seems to be the only thing that will truly help us heal from our collective neurosis and separatism. 

so I have a majorly awesome plan brewing to basically start a modern religion tying in the ancient lineages (ayahuasca, peyote, sweat lodges, vipassana meditation, aikido, gnosticism, yoga etc etc)

pretty much get descendents of every ancient lineage together and farm and run meetings for all nations of the earth.

and also I want to somehow register as my own indian reservation if that's possible cuz I'm an indian I should have a reservation, my own nation, so I can pass my own laws and welcome anyone from any nation into my land to do these amazing things and communicate with star people and energy beings and aliens and god.... it seems like western society isn't ready for that so they make it some kind of taboo.  but to me its the only aspect of reality that is sane.  if anyone desires to experience ayahuasca it is recommended to go to ayahuasca-wasi.com or temple of the way of light, both those organizations are great

so that is my vision in a nutshell, bring the medicine to the people.  for free.  totally donation based.  I'm associated with santo daime and other sects of the ayahuasca religions of the amazon rainforest.  I've been traveling extensively for the last 12 years, and am now just starting to understand money and value and I love bitcoin and cryptocurrency as a concept and I think that it will potentially save humanity, and together we can become invincible as one people without central banksters sabatoging our lives with debt and foolishness.

that is my vision.  I carry very old medicine ways and I hope to bring the 4 sacred medicines home.  aho

I am just one man.  with a big dream.  and I need alot of help.  like probably 10 million bucks would be a good start to get the sanctuary off the ground.  its gotta be like 6,000-10,000 acres for buffalo to have enough room.  its also gotta be world class.  I am not messing around when I dream this big.  it will probably be in new mexico.

after its up it will run on dana donations from the many people worldwide who it touches the lives of...  and all are welcome to pray around my fireplace.  all are welcome here.  I carry ancient medicine ways to share with all of you.  knowledge of many species of medicine cactus, peyote, achuma, (that white man has OUTLAWED for himself.  make medicine illegal!)  well the u.s. constitution protects ancient religions and medicine ways under freedom of religion.  and they are ruling how they should now.  because all evidence of health is apparent and no judge presented the honest case could rule against health and vitality.

watch my videos, get in touch with me.  I am out in the middle of nowhere sheridan wyoming working for pennies for now because I lost all my documents like SS card and drivers license having a hell of a time getting government to give me documents.

if you have alot of money and you like my ideas and my videos and resonate with my belief that this is the future of health and well being for humanity and that these medicine ways are directly related to human evolution (if you have no experience with native cultures you might not understand, but try and find a sweat lodge or a peyote meeting then you'll understand.)  here I'll give you a peek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVIAZdH4FDE these are called peyote songs.  they are our hymns.

there is a whole world to learn if you've never experienced it.  but it goes beyond politics and into nature.

feel free to donate .01 bitcoin or more to my bitcoin address, every smidgeon helps me work on manifesting this dream for mankind,

my friends are opening up a cafe over in sebastopol, and I am taking over the duty's of caretaking 3,000 acres in wyoming, so if you're in the area get ahold of me and come hang out.  I welcome the world into my home, and into my inipi.  I'll be bouncing from wyoming to northern california all year.

if you're in either area email me and let's talk bitcoin and future of the world.  yeah I might be getting paid a salary this year for caretaking the land, I have always worked for free and never been a money person, but now I am resonating with bitcoins so I got 3 bitcoins and I gave 1 out in chunks to friends to get them started on it.     


I am not a normal character in america, I have traveled to the far edges of the spacetime continuum where reality breaks down into quarks and leptons and quantum spin kicks in.  I have encountered things that nobody would easily believe.  yes elves, space elves.  faerie, gods, menataurs, mythical beings, lakshmi, ganesh, like IN REAL TIME.  buddha.  they are all real beings outside this.  ayahuasca opens up portals into ascension.


  I currently live in the first nations world of native americans, and american cowboy culture, I am choctaw and cherokee and irish, and scottish and english and germanic and swiss.  a total mutt.  but I am reconnecting with all the old ways, and I feel comfortable representing any culture I am from.

I've hitch hiked over 10,000 miles, I go to rainbow gatherings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Gathering and have lived in slab city.  I was raised by mormons but it is madness to me and so I am currently also campaigning into exposing the madness and revolutionizing mormon culture into something more earth friendly.  and I am basically an orphan because of my beliefs in the old ways over mormonism- yeah long story.  this isn't about me though its about the vision.  I pray for the best for all of us.



its an hour long, but here I try to explain my vision
and my experience in far off worlds and mystical states
using modern techniques, and then how I discovered the ancient more appropriate techniques for accessing this side of ourselves.  if anything I hope you enjoy this download.  namashka aho metakuwayasin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9ci3CIdMAY

wow what a good idea.  troll-killer for sure

its your call
I don't trust BFL personally
but nothing official has come out and proven them to be liars

but from where I'm standing all signs point to scam

*mail fraud felon on parole running company
*promised products since august 2012
*reveals himself on youtube to be a total asshole
*press releases are always "great" and exactly what you want to hear

etc. etc.
I'd get a refund but that's just me, I am still trying to find legitimate information for my investigation on this company. 

no you didn't look closely.  people on EBAY are selling their place in line for the PREORDERS
and the ones on youtube are the previous product before the mythical BFL ASIC

david graeber is great
it seems that much gnarly shite will go down in the next 20 years- will bitcoin or cryptocurrency survive?  max keiser's theory that bitcoin could take over is pretty nice, I like the idea, I like the idea of the establishment just sort of killing over nice and easy as we turn our backs on it, giving way to a common sensical means of open source human evolution..

I think you're right on too.

one thing that has been brought to my attention is a potentially devastating blow to the bitcoin community with butterfly labs possibly heisting over 100million dollars for their claimed products with backorders.  there is much info on it.  they are offering money making machines for next to nothing and people all over the world are falling for it and ordering, they've sold thousands of these in preorders, and have been promising to deliver since august of 2012.  when I was looking they had promised to deliver by the end of march, now they are pushing back to end of june. 

sounded like a scam to me, so I did a ton of research on it.  and here's what I came up with from reading through the forums

brian micon youtube video -shows CEO's reaction to brian micons doubt that they are legit.
I've read multiple threads stating that the CEO of said company is a convicted felon for mail fraud already, for 25 million.  this is what THEY DO!?

the whole thing smells of scam to me.  I lived on the streets of NYC and LA and I know scammers, I can read minds fairly accurately, if you want to give it a shot watch the CEO talk to the public carefully delivering exactly what they want to hear.)  (I have a 75% rate of mind reading, from lots of ayahuasca experience)(so I don't trust him lets just say that) 

but many customers just rant and rave about this imaginary product they are getting and stand up for him even though many have been yannked around since august.  with promises.  and now they are up to something like 120 million and the number rises everyday how much they are heisting from people.

if they are legit, their products will revolutionize BTC mining, and simultaneously boost the BTC economy drastically with stability and a good future(IDEAL SITUATION).  if they are a scam, and we collectively recognize this, BTC value will plummet immediately. 

two ways to go.

which would provide a good opportunity to buy up BTC cheap before it recovers in the next few years.  or I am feeling like litecoin might end up being more trusted as its not tied with silk road and such.  so this is how I'm playing my cards

I am waiting until realization of said product is delivered or realize its a scam, and I am immediately trading out for litecoins if it is scam.  lite coins should surge ahead while bitcoin collapses.  then I am going to buy up btc and possibly 5X or 10X my investment.

this is just what I am visualizing.

but the originating post in this thread I agree with in the long run, but we have much growing pains to go through in this economy.  its not necessarily going to be just investing in coins and sitting on them.  its going to be like riding a bull.  I prefer to ride bucking mammoths.  or diablos.

anyway.  not to pop the hype, but being realistic.  the BFL issue has hardly been discussed as repercussions to the bitcoin community.  the BFL people are always elusive and make these PR announcements that are completely what you want to hear but say absolutely nothing, like george W bush would do in a press conference. 

anyway, just wanted to ask if anybody saw any holes in my theory with BFL and the repercussions with the BTC economy.  if they successfully heist 130 million from the BTC economy that's 13% of the entire economy stolen.

but my paranoia could be just paranoia and they could be just assholes that have no tact with public relations, but who are going to deliver said product...

look into it and get some media on their asses put some pressure on em... and be smart with your money people

ok so what i have read here
bfl ceo is a convicted felon for 25 million dollars of mail fraud
they have been promising delivery of said products since august of last year.  bryan micons youtube video shows a total ass jsh zertan or whatev his name is

from my analysis of his energy I would say that dude is mmost definitely a scammer, he's a schemer for making money, which is why he got into mining in the first place.  his mannerisms are too careful and too positive, and just what a customer wants to hear, but to anybody who knows scammers with any street smarts (I lived on the streets of NYC and LA I run into scammers all the time, I even know scammers personally from various places.  a dude n my grandma's church growing up in wyoming is a scam artist. and I'd say that guy is pulling off the greatest scam in bitcoin history)  but of course I could be completely wrong, I'm just speculating.  but I will further speculate as follows.

when the collective community definitively realize that they are scammed and they do make some kind of break with over 100 million dollars of bitcoin communities money, its gonna be a drastic blow.  that's 10% of the whole economy.  it might have reached terminal velocity increasing, but the pirate fiasco from before didn't it make the economy collapse?  this is a young economy and we have to go through chicken pox and all that to get our immunities, but I am foreseeing a sort of fiasco coming, depending on whether it is a scam or not.

if it is a scam, bitcoin will go down in value.  10% of the entire economy vanishes. that's the biggest yet!  

I will speculate that people invested in bitcoin that have the knowledge of litecoin will jump over there and litecoin will surge ahead in trade value, or... it might go down too.  

I realize I'm just speculating personally, but thought I woould share my thoughts with you fine thinkers to see if anyone resonated or could correct me in any faulty assumptions I might have.


PROOF of BFL's legitimacy would be awesome.  like a picture of them working on a ton of products, a picture of the assembly line?  there must be some super easy way for them to legitimize themselves.  but so far it seems like everything is this brilliant heist.  

just my 0.00002 btc

did you ever get your asic?  I'm sure it would be videotaped and put on youtube.  i just can't find it.  i am searching for everything...  oh wait you said this back in september

what madness

i predict that when butterfly labs is found definitely to be a fraud everyone will move to litecoin and bitcoin will take a blow.  I am taking bets.  100million dollar scam is 10% of the bitcoin economy.  but who knows those assholes could be delivering i am only speculating

cool thanks rfk.  I think I saw you adamantly standing up for butterfly labs.  is there a reason you are so set that they aren't scammers?  I've read alot on the matter and its obvious to me... but i am looking for evidence that they are legit.  maybe you could help me