A while ago I asked theymos if we could implement a welcome/introductory message that is shown to all Newbies when they sign up which will include all the info they need to get started. He agreed, so I suggest we brainstorm what that should include. Ideally I think the initial message should be as concise as possible with only the most important rules being listed, but contain further links to more in depth guides and FAQs so they can do their own further research. Throwing too much info at newbies is probably overkill so let's try keep it as short and as sweet as we can. Here's what I've got so far: --------------------- Welcome to Bitcointalk. Before you start posting please take a short while to read through this guide. Due to anti-spam measures you will have to wait six minutes between your posts (and this includes logging in) so please use this time wisely to familiarise yourself with the rules. Additionally, to bypass some of these limits you can consider buying a Copper Membership here. A full list of forum rules can be found here, but the most important ones are listed below and breaking them will likely lead to an immediate ban: Do not post referral links. Do not plagiarise content or copy and paste another user's posts. Any content that is not your own should be properly quoted and a link provided to the original source. Do not offer to sell anything illegal or such things as hacked/shared accounts. Do not beg for money whether for personal reasons or a supposed charity. Before posting in a sub board please take the time to read the sticky/pinned threads at the top of them as answers to the most frequently asked questions can be found there along with other helpful guides, but here are some that may interest you: A guide for Newbies can be found here. A guide on how to earn bitcoins and join signature campaigns and bounties can be found here. A guide on how forum ranks, activity and merit work can be found here. Please note: Bitcointalk is an English speaking only board and if you struggle with English or aren't fluent then you should stick to your local language sub board which can be found here. ----------------------- I'm up for this being completely re-written or adding more things in depth but I think it should be as short as possible so people actually get the gist of the most important things and can spend additional time reading into the finer details as well. As long as all the info can be found when you sign up then there should be no excuses for breaking the rules or all the same newbie threads asking how do I join a bounty or what is or how do I get merit etc etc. Please suggest anything you think should be included. |
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Why do you think the admins have decided not to ban the sale of accounts? I agree that it's not ideal to have people selling accounts. I was just saying that if you can't stop it, then it may be better to just let it be and punish people based on their actions on the forum. Maybe you're right, maybe if it's officially forbidden, then it will deter sales. In the threads I've seen on here where somebody is selling an account, a lot of people always seem to give the sellers a very hard time.
Well I think the official reason is that it will happen anyway regardless and takes time to police effectively, but so will murders and child pornographers but that's not an excuse not to do anything to try stop it from going on. The entire account selling market is rife with scammers and hackers and doesn't do anything good here nor does it look great that we allow it. As with any suggestion to change the rules or implement new measures (good or bad) the forum is largely a free all and overwhelmed by the greedy and nefarious and nothing ever gets done to try improve it so doubt account sales will ever be stopped, but there are more important issues to deal with right now. |
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Well you, an account farmer, would say this. How many accounts are you farming? How many of your accounts have you had banned now? Which ones of these are yours that I've noticed posting in the exact same threads as you: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2247852 Zayn_Nazy June 30, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2280178 Willie_Linder July 14, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2279012 katherin_panini July 13, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2271482 Michael_Cox July 10, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2280138 James_Cline July 14, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2272791 Sherwood_Archer July 11, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2271537 Aidan_Davis July 10, 2018Besides, you stop it the same way we don't allow users to sell weapons or post ref links here. If they list an account for sale it gets removed or they get banned. As ThePharmacist said, it's not rocket science. I literally have no idea what you're talking about. I only recognize seeing a couple of these accounts on the forum.  They just so happen to have the same formatted names as you, registered all within days, post exactly the same way you do, in exactly the same threads you do? C'mon, I'm not an idiot. Lucky for you admins will probably never look into this, otherwise we'd likely be seeing another "why was my entire office's accounts blocked? thread. Your posts aren't utter shit like most farmers though so I'll give you that at least.  We might as well get rid of all rules then. We can't do anything about ban evasion or rule breaking. Therefore, don't ban people and let them do what they want?
Well, some violations of the rules are very easy to see and enforce punishment, but some are much more difficult. I guess sometimes it's obvious when an account is sold, but sometimes it's not so apparent. Just because accounts will get sold elsewhere doesn't mean we have to allow it here. People will sell malware and weapons elsewhere, but we don't allow it here and if they posted such threads they'd be trashed and banned. The same could easily just happen with account sales. If we went with my suggestion of allowing people to purchase the equivalent rank in things like Silver and Gold Memberships account sales would mostly cease to happen. People only buy them for signature campaigns and half of the time the people selling them are either scammers who don't have any accounts to sell in the first place or hackers/shitposting farmers. If account sales are going to happen then let them safely buy them from the forum. It's win win. There are no negatives to this at all.
This does sound like a pretty good option. I guess it would require rethinking criteria for signature campaigns though. Then the only real measure of a person's rank would be how much money they put into it. It would definitely be good to support the site though. What needs rethinking? Signature campaigns would adapt and most would include payment terms for the new titles just like they did when signatures were changed relative to ranks. You would still be a Junior or Senior Member or whatever but with the additional Copper, Silver, or Gold title underneath that and they would pay for that. People would still have to get merit and activity to rise through the ranks though as you're not buying the rank but the donator title. I dare say some of the better campaigns still won't accept a Newbie with no merit but with a Gold Member title but shitcoin ICOs will. |
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Who is "they"? You're speaking like the living meme that is DJ Khaled.  https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/7557789/dj-khaled-stay-away-from-they-the-keys-book-chapterThe secret to maximize your profits in this game is to buy coins at the lowest price possible and then again to sell at the highest price possible.
No shit. Buy low sell high? Did you come up with this sure fire way to make money?  It's never as easy as that though is it. Nobody has a crystal ball that tells them when the highest highs and lowest lows are. I know people who bought in bitcoin at it's highest when it looked like the sky was the limit, then it came falling back down to earth with a bang. What do they do? I know people who bought in at 10k because they thought that was the new low and they would sell at 15k again. Didn't happen. People bought in at 8k to to sell when it rose, but hasn't yet. And so on. If things were as easy as you made out you wouldn't be posting on a bitcoin forum. You'd be on a beach somewhere sipping pina coladas having a foot massage whilst bots run on your laptop buying low and selling high automatically making you money for doing nothing. |
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You speak so confident about Cyrus and Theymos that gives me the sense you know them well. You said they are smarter than you and you trust them, I believe you but they are human beings I assume they have a job, a spouse, kids, a personal life & issues to handle that are a much higher priority to them than the management of this site that started as a hobby in their spare time. I don't know who put them in their position but they are not suitable for this job anymore [unless they prove me wrong then I retract]. Better to assign the steering wheel on some fresh hands of some well-known trusted users willing to commit to this project.
By the way, may I ask you how do we know if they are still alive / mentally healthy? which are the proofs of life, sanity, and competence they provide to us? if they are not, then how do you trust them? do you see them in person regularly? because most of us including I, don't. I know neither of them personally or very well at all. I don't know whether any staff members here are employed or unemployed and have wives and children or are all basement dwelling virgins who spend most of their time jacking off to camgirls and watching hentai. Most staff are completely anonymous to each other and I prefer it like that (though theymos' name is publicly known, but most other's aren't). All I know of them is from their posts here and a few other limited interactions via PM etc but we don't talk socially. Theymos is the defacto owner or operator of the board and he chose cyrus to be an admin to replace BadBear (who walked away). Workload should be distributed more between staff in numerous ways. We probably need at least one other full time admin and there are many sub boards with no dedicated staff member assigned at all. More staff probably need to be added to meet demand as the board grows as well, especially when a lot of staff members seem to leave or gradually become less and less active until they fade away. As I said before, there really probably isn't anyone better than theymos to ruin the ship for numerous reasons, but he is swamped and so is cyrus (and/or he just can't be bothered) and something needs to be done about that, or he finds a way to do admin duties full time (which I've suggested he do), but maybe he does have work/family/camgirl/hentai addition that takes up most of his time  . Personally I like the format of Reddit much more, Steemit & Medium are another great alternatives. If there are better options then surely they will surpass this one in popularity. Personally, I dislike Reddit in numerous ways and don't use it at all, but people should vote by using whatever they find superior. If everyone abandoned this ship for another then maybe that would be noted. I can't see that happening though. Nay, stop the ads slots that's the main problem of low quality posts + spam. Donator ranks sure but first donators must perceive some added value / high quality staff.. a good service = improved UI/UX. ICOs and other startups could purchase spaces as long as there are any valuable users / customers / investors remaining here, at the end it is a matter of ROI measurable according to the Conversion Rate of the money BTCtalk users are spending. If spam bots / scammers / hackers / merit abusers / Legendary purchased accounts / crappy posts / etc. are displacing valuable users / mods to other hubs then who is going to remain affording it cost?. But this is a matter of discussion in another board.
It's not the ad slots that are the issue. It's paid sig spam, mostly from ICOs who couldn't care less about spam. In fact, more spam is better for them. More posts = more ad impressions. This needs to change and I've suggested numerous ways to combat it, most importantly badly run campaigns should be punished. They would soon clean up their act then. Mapuche, I am in the same situation. I just messaged Cyrus a signed bitcoin message from an address used in my account as described by Theymos in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497545.0 and if in two weeks he doesn't respond I will message Theymos with a signed bitcoin message to reset my account. Send me the signed message on my hilariousandco account or post it here and if it checks out I can ban the account. Only admins can restore access to you though so you'll still need to wait for that to happen. |
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If the hacking cause has already been identified what the hell the Theymos / Cyrus are waiting for to address it then fix it ??. it is not a matter if we the users have a "weak password" it is a matter of how the admins store our passwords because they shouldn't store the passwords themselves, they could hire Google, Amazon or any other service to handle user authentication. If they dislike trusting 3rd parties then they should follow some tutorial about hashing + salting , this way the hacker couldn't brute force the database. Using a strong hashing algorithm combined with another complicated salting algorithm should be incredible difficult to hack, not to mention if they enable 2FA to all of us. This way even those phishing sites wouldn't catch us. Here some video about the subject: YouTube hope someone shares it to them. They fixed it. They can't do anything about those that didn't change their passwords, but there are auto-lock features for accounts that have remained long-dormant and suddenly reactivate. And trusting a third party is how the passwords were lost. The hacker gained access via the hosting service by social engineering. The passwords were also hashed and salted, but those with weak passwords were bruteforced and broken over time. There's more about the hack at the following link with what happened: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1067985.msg11445725#msg11445725Also, several 2-fa options will be available on the new forum software. There has been a sort of 2f option implemented here though in that now you can lock your account via an email once the details have been changed. It's not ideal but it's better than nothing. |
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I am always putting my predictions on a week by week basis. I never lock my pick so the other members can see my picks only when the game starts, I also cannot see other users pick. I don't want to see this as I don't want to be impacted. On Newcastle game I predicted 1-1 and I see a lot of persons have the same predictions.
This doesn't seem to be the case. Others can still see them if they've locked theirs and you have at least put yours in. I also predicted 1-1 for this game and it's currently in play at 0-0 with ten minutes to go. For those interested I've started a new pool to get one organised for the Champions League. There's a month to go before it kicks off so please sign up at the following thread if interested: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4919683 |
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Some users have more than 10 accounts and they participate in signature companies
What!? Is this real? Well, if this type of users do really exist then there's a big possibility that only 2 to 3 of their total accounts run in a good condition because maintaining 10 accounts would be definitely a hard task. Yeah! More accounts means more chances of having multiple sig campaigns but the probability of getting all hired also decreases because of the quality requirement. So for me, having too much accounts is not an efficient way to gain more profits. Lol. How naive you are. One user was caught with over 200 accounts spamming away regurgitating the same response re-worded ever so slightly post after post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1912475.0 This will also only be the tip of the shitberg. There are people farming accounts with bots in their hundreds and likely possibly thousands, but the ones caught are never looked into so staff have to keep playing whack a mole with ghosts. Member - 15 merit
Full Member - 110 merit
Senior Member - 270 merit
Hero Member - 520 merit
Legendary Member - 1040 merit
This is also a good way to handle a campaign, bounty managers should make it like this. Indeed. Mods can't do this alone, campaign managers should also help them to fight the spammy and shitty posters (particularly the low ranked ones) by requiring the forum members to meet first the merit requirement before applying so that all of the applicants are even more filtered and only the good ones could enter the campaign. A win to win situation after all — it will result to a healthy ICO advertisement and the crappy posters are now easy to eradicate at the same time since they now feel demotivated. The trouble is is you can't make bounty managers do this, so their hand needs to essentially be forced. Get rid of signatures for Juniors or at the least require some sort of merit achievement to become one. That would help drastically and then ICO campaigns would no longer be able to accept the bots and the worst of the worst to spam whatever they wanted. Punishments also need to happen for campaigns who do nothing but pay people to spam or copy and paste. Those two simple solutions would help drastically. |
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Anyone else see that the user has three posts but only that one is in his history? Maybe a bug or the others have been removed but not yet updated. Noticed this a couple of times on certain users though.
Do you have the Russian local on ignore? Two of the first three posts are there. Ah right. Must have. |
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The problem is that Theymos can't make up his mind whether he wants to run the forum centralized or decentralized (or rather the problem is that he doesn't make it run simply centralized, because the forum technique is not suitable to run it decentralized).
He seems to prefer it decentralized, given subjective implementations like the trust en merit systems. He also expressed his irritation about the centralized cluttering of trust (which apparently isn't the way he wanted it to be). But then he does nothing to bring about a change.
And at the same time there are some rules and some moderators, which is again a move to centralization. The forum is centralised whether anyone likes it or not, and there are rules to try keep some order here. Without them it's anarchy and a total mess. Theymos obviously wants to keep as much freedom as possible without restricting users too much but I don't think we should just use that as an excuse to get away with not doing anything about the various issues here which are numerous. Yes, users should have as much freedom as possible, but users shouldn't be allowed to freely spam their ref link or virus in every post (as they aren't) nor should ICO campaigns be free to pay thousands of users to copy and paste and spam (which is currently tolerated and shouldn't be). That isn't freedom; it's anarchy. Without rules and regulations the greedy and nefarious rise to the top and shit on everyone else along the way ruining it for everybody in the process and without punishments for those who abuse the system people will continue to get away with murder. That's why I wrote several times in different places that the forum governance isn't executed from principles. It is patch work with a bit of rules here, a bit of merit there, a patch of trust, a patch of moderating, patch, patch, patch. It's a big mess! And a clutterance of long standing members are taking full profit from the situation. But perhaps that is the way Theymos wants it because perhaps he profits from it too. Who knows what's going on in his mind? [EDIT] This forum really needs some professional updates and some clear, intelligent principles.
No system is perfect. I've never seen a perfect feedback system that can't be gamed or exploited (see eBay and Amazon etc). No law system is perfect either. Some people get punished more than others and some can even buy their way out of punishment or imprisonment. Things are never fair for all across the board as much as we want them to be. People will naturally invent whatever conspiracies they want to justify what theymos does or doesn't do, but the least sexiest answer is usually the case. I think theymos is slow to act on many things because I just don't think he has the time. If theymos wanted to monetise this forum more he could do so in multiple ways and I have personally suggested numerous ways he could do so. I've suggested users can pay for more donator ranks, ICOs have to pay a fee to list here, more forum ad slots, and even that if he doesn't trust anyone else to do admin duties then he consider paying himself an appropriate wage and doing forum administration full time because one is badly needed (it's been months since someone has seemingly had their hacked/lost account restored). So far he hasn't done anything I have suggested. In fact, he seems to be even against things like more ad slots completely. Nobody is going to be happy with whatever happens; we're damned if we do damned if we don't. People complain about spam and farming and then a system is introduced such as merit, then people complain about that. We ban or restrict campaigns and then people will cry hysterically about that. It's all about finding a balance, but I agree not much is being done to try find it at the moment and as such it's chaos and disorder, but there are certain things that do desperately need to change or be addressed and ignoring them won't make the issues go away. |
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There's one thing I don't see anybody talking about here. I don't think it's very practical to ban selling accounts. How could you practically apply a ban like that? I mean, you can see if the quality of posts completely changes at one point of time and the person starts spamming. If they already have the status they want, they may not really post very much at all any more. I think it's also a good point, that if it would be banned, it could drive prices up more, like illegal drugs. You have to keep in mind, the original account owners put in a lot of work and effort to get their rank up. If they decide they want to move on in their life, maybe their efforts should be worth something. Then if the new account owner does stupid things, they'll just lose their whole investment. They'll get what they deserve.
Well you, an account farmer, would say this. How many accounts are you farming? How many of your accounts have you had banned now? Which ones of these are yours that I've noticed posting in the exact same threads as you: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2247852 Zayn_Nazy June 30, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2280178 Willie_Linder July 14, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2279012 katherin_panini July 13, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2271482 Michael_Cox July 10, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2280138 James_Cline July 14, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2272791 Sherwood_Archer July 11, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2271537 Aidan_Davis July 10, 2018Besides, you stop it the same way we don't allow users to sell weapons or post ref links here. If they list an account for sale it gets removed or they get banned. As ThePharmacist said, it's not rocket science. Banning account trades in the forum might finish the deals happening in public, like in Auctions or Digital Goods sections, but they will start doing it in private
I hate that argument with a passion. It's an excuse to do nothing in the face of wrongdoing, and such poor reasoning would never fly anywhere in our world of laws. Imposing a rule without a viable way to enforce it wouldn't do much good. If account sales are banned we're gonna catch a few idiots who attempt to do it in the open and that's about it. I don't see what we could possibly do about sales happening outside of the forum. There are plenty of examples like that IRL too, e.g. Chicago gun restrictions rendered largely useless by Indiana. We can impose such restrictions to make ourselves feel better but I doubt it would make a dent in the actual problem. We might as well get rid of all rules then. We can't do anything about ban evasion or rule breaking. Therefore, don't ban people and let them do what they want? If we went with my suggestion of allowing people to purchase the equivalent rank in things like Silver and Gold Memberships account sales would mostly cease to happen. People only buy them for signature campaigns and half of the time the people selling them are either scammers who don't have any accounts to sell in the first place or hackers/shitposting farmers. If account sales are going to happen then let them safely buy them from the forum. It's win win. There are no negatives to this at all. |
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What I propose is to start a program like "SpamBusters" instead of reporting users who are spamming. Users could be assigned to different boards and they would report in the posts which are under-merited or haven't received merit at all. This should ease out the process of meriting users for the merit sources IMO.
Its a good idea. Especially, because this could give theymos some indication on good merit sources. Currently, they have to make an application for a merit source. Which some users might not be willing to do publicly, because of the issue with users begging merit sources for merits. I think it would be a good idea, but I don't know too many merit sources which would be willing to crawl through a queue of messages which have been reported for being of high standard. I wouldn't mind it. A handful of merit sources is all it takes I think, at least initially. I have a feeling though that the queue would be empty most of the time, or spammed by the usual shitposters trying to report their own posts. Every time the subject of undermerited posts is brought up and I ask for examples I get crickets. For the most part people seem to either think too highly of their own posts or are too lazy/selfish to promote others. It would be spammed by everyone who desperately needed merits. I don't think this is a good idea. Better to have community lead projects where people can post quotes or links to their posts and others can decide if they're deserving of merits. Hello, fellas.
I`ve read the whole thread, and I can`t see anything related to local boards. Well, I do understand that maybe this is the English mean board, but locals are part of this forum too, and there are a couple of problems there.
I can only speak for my own local -Spanish and the problems I`ve seen in there, problems that also reflect on the forum:
- Locals have not enough pinned post. What does that mean? Well, many people come in here and this is just impossible for them to understand the rules and policies, given the lack of information in their local languages. Of course, they can try harder before beginning to spam or plagiarize, but, maybe, by implementing well-explained pinned post in every local we can help the forum. So my suggestion is to designate people to translate every new information of importance to their locals.
- Besides, there is also a problem with merits in local boards -again I can only speak about my own. The people don`t seem to understand the system, and there is a common misunderstanding: they think they will only be able to rank up in the English boards, so they use google translation or engage in the English main in a poor English. So maybe this is time to have more merit sources dedicated to their locals.
So those are my suggestions. I think we need to care about locals a bit more, so the people can get the information and avoid to rush in here with the wrong mindset...
There's nothing stopping you from creating these sorts of FAQ or info threads. If they're helpful then they can easily be stickied. ------------- Nobody wants this merit bounty? Bitcoin discussion has become largely unusable. It's just full of farmers churning out their generic one liners. Go in any thread and play spot the farmer. How many can you find on this page here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4820477.1140Three merit for anyone if you can catch them all. Can you spot them on this page and the one after? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4868904.804 merit for swatting the 4 bots there. Remove signatures from Junior so these scumbags aren't going to get paid by some crapcoin ICO as soon as they've made 30 posts. Let's see how long it takes them to get ten merit to become a Member. Probably never. If you earn ten merits then you've earned your right to have a signature. |
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The main cause has already been established and that's due to the forum being hacked. People have just brute-forced the leaked password hashes that can be bought online very cheaply now. Anyone who didn't change their password after the leak is susceptible to being hacked. If you had a weak password then that's how they lost their account. Any other lost accounts are usually lost to downloading malware from here in the forum of things infected alt coin wallets, bitcoin doublers and visiting dodgy bitcoin sites and so on, then the rest are probably due to falling victim to phishing. |
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My request is to force newbies to obtain at least 1 Merit point to become junior member + you must be junior member or more to post in the bounties sub. Not agree with 1 merit , many corrupted member's here 1 merit can be buy. So requirement of 1 merit will be merit abuse & opportunity for corrupted members for earning. This isn't an excuse not to do anything. Going by this logic we should get rid of merit, activity and ranks because anyone can buy or farm an account. Even requiring one merit would help a lot. Good luck trying to get one merit on your dozens to hundreds of alt accounts you're farming to copy and paste on ICO campaigns. It puts a huge spanner in the works of abusers whilst not being that restrictive to everybody else and if you can't get one merit then you don't deserve to be a Junior Member or earn from signatures here. What do the people who operate these bounties think of the newbie invasion? Also, people should not be required to post in order to get paid; that's already against the rules.
An idea I had in this vein was that upon registration you'd have to pick one of two paths:
- "I want to discuss things"
= Banned from all money-making/spam-hotbed sections until Jr Member
- "I want to make money"
= Banned from the more serious sections until Jr Member
= You have to pass a quiz before posting which tries to inform you about basic forum rules, how not to get banned, maybe some basic English knowledge, etc.
How about just enforcing bounty managers to do their goddamn job. They literally just sit around doing nothing and get paid for that. Damn those lucky bastards. Isn't that something everybody wants? Everything is handled by bots,the post counting and calculation of stakes and all that stuff. This is just logical and needs to happen. Staff shouldn't have to be the defacto bounty managers for everybody who doesn't do their job. If a campaign is paying hundreds of bots and spammers then they should be the one to receive the ban as they're the direct cause of this. What do the people who operate these bounties think of the newbie invasion? Also, people should not be required to post in order to get paid; that's already against the rules.
An idea I had in this vein was that upon registration you'd have to pick one of two paths:
- "I want to discuss things"
= Banned from all money-making/spam-hotbed sections until Jr Member
- "I want to make money"
= Banned from the more serious sections until Jr Member
= You have to pass a quiz before posting which tries to inform you about basic forum rules, how not to get banned, maybe some basic English knowledge, etc. (Quizzes are pointless to stop dedicated spammers, since an answer key will quickly be compiled, but it may help in cases where clueless people are ending up here.)
I like this idea, it's nice and easy. Just cut the forum (virtually) in two: 1) Bitcoin and Altcoin discussion (serious) (gaining activity and merit) and 2) ANN on Off-topic (no additional activity and no merit) Make the users choose where they want to start to post. A user can only post in only one part, but can change this setting in every 30 days (or 60 days even better). (It's useless for bots and account farmers, they won't wait, they will register accounts for both sections). So if newbies want, they can participate in any bounty and after if they have read a lot here and are interested in Bitcoin and serious things too, they can change their mind (and their settings too), but I'm afraid classic bounty hunters won't change at all... This would cause that the serious section won't be spammed with bounty posts/signatures. I don't know if this would be OK for the companies running the bounties for their ICOs, because they will lose the serious part of the forum, their marketing won't reach the serious members of the crypto world (if they care about it at all, maybe they just need to present at the ICO rating websites that they have an active ANN thread in BTT and they have enough posts there daily...) The serious section would still have the classic signature campaigns with reliable campaign managers, who will take care about the quality. It won't matter if there's still no merit requirement to become Junior. All they have to do is wait 2 weeks or so and make 30 spam posts then they're one and can spam away everywhere else and get paid for it by ICO campaigns. People will also just start registering via spreadsheets so they don't actually have to post in the Bounty board whilst still abusing everywhere else. personally I believe that the bounty sub should be a reward and not a right. Members should be able to demonstrate a certain level of knowledge or commitment to be let into that area, and I think that 1 merit isn't enough - 10 or 20 should be the bar IMO..
I'd prefer them being locked into the Bounty board. At least the disease is quarantined to that section then. It's when these bounty hunters join a sig campaign and start crapping all over the forum that is causing the most damage. |
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I'm not sure what he's trying to do because those accounts still need merits.
Most users probably still aren't aware of the merit system or even understand it. Besides, this sort of spam will still get you to a Junior Member, but this is yet further reasoning why we should do something about that and either remove signatures from Juniors Members all-together and/or require some sort of merit achievement to become one. Far too many people are botting their way to Junior and then they can even get paid for this behaviour on badly run ICO campaigns. |
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Lol  . Probably. Quoted it since it probably should be removed: Though maybe we should leave it be and have a bot that automatically nukes any phrases that are proposed in there. Anyone else see that the user has three posts but only that one is in his history? Maybe a bug or the others have been removed but not yet updated. Noticed this a couple of times on certain users though. |
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Not agree with one merit, it can be bought or trade from corrupted member's. Remove signature is the best solution as you say. My opinion just leave merit system same as now , just disable signature campaign for up to Jr. Members. If requirement small merit, merit abuse will increase. We should try to prevent merit abuse as well. I don't agree with this reasoning and it's not an excuse to not do it. People can just buy an account as well, but you're missing the point. If someone can go to the trouble of buying however many merits they need then good. It's better than allowing anyone and everyone with zero knowledge of bitcoin to join a signature campaign. At least they've proved they've got the initiative and the knowledge to be able to make a bitcoin transaction or seek out the merit in whatever way they acquired it. Most users who come here don't know the first thing about bitcoin. They just come here to collect bounties and they use websites like coins.ph to cash out straight away. I've literally seen numerous beggars sign up here just to post their bitcoin 'address' and it is in fact their blockchain.info wallet identifier. Some people will buy merit, but most will just try earn it especially those who have no bitcoin or money to buy them. Many users trying to buy merit will just get scammed as well. This is about curbing all those users who come here in their thousands just to have dozens of accounts each to shitpost from. Do you think they're going to be able to afford to buy merit for their dozens of alts? Probably not, but if you can; fair enough. Don't forget about bots as well. Campaigns are literally paying bots to copy and paste. This can't be acceptable. Bots likely wont get the merit. This is all about restricting as many users as we can regardless of if you can bend or break the rules to do so which you can always do with any rule or law, but it's about minimising abuse and policing those who do break them and requiring a small amount of merit to have a signature would go a long way. |
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Hail the movement of decentralisation. That's what i'm saying. Ripple is more decentralized than this forum This isn't a decentralised forum and never was. It's a centralised one with owners and rules in an attempt to keep order, only the limited amount of rules aren't being enforced much and people are bending and breaking them in an which way they can, and as such the forum has become unfit for purpose. Merit was a way to try combat the abuse of account farming but it needs some adjustments and other rules or restrictions need to be put in place. |
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I personally think that bounty managers should just implement a merit requirement into their campaigns, requiring Jr members to have at least 1-2 merit to participate. Realistically Theymos isn't likely to restrict Jr. members further otherwise he would have done it already, so the bounty managers need to be the ones to curb this crap.
You trouble is is that you can't get them to do this because most don't care about quality and spammers so that's why we need to force them to make changes. Removing signatures from Juniors is the only way to stop them from accepting them, or making a merit requirement to become a Junior. These simple things alone would clean the forum up drastically because it's becoming full of Junior-level spammers churning out on liners and they just create more and more accounts when they realise they're never going to move past Junior. Their hand needs to be forced here. I would be all for removing signatures up until Member level and that would mean you're never going to be able to earn until you've received ten merits and been here a couple of months which isn't unreasonable or a lot to ask. |
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• A 'bump button' for the marketplace that only allows you to bump your thread once every 24 hours. Manually bumping by posting will then be disallowed. As mentioned above, posts by lower ranked accounts could not be able to bump threads thus curbing potential abuse.
In addition for this one. Once another bump has been made after 24 hours, the old bump will automatically be deleted. There won't be a bump to remove. It would just push your thread to the top, though if there was some sort of message left then obviously it should be removed. • More admins or demi-admins added to help with account recoveries and other admin duties.
Recoveries are not really prioritised but I want this idea as well. They're not prioritised because theymos and cyrus don't have time to do them. They don't have time to do much else it seems either. Account recoveries should be made a priority not just let users to languish for months without even a response. It theymos is in fact going to automate the system then that should be made a priority so nobody has to worry about losing their accounts and that's one huge issue taken care of without staff members being pestered to sort them out every day. The donator rank shouldn't be created to give more benefits. I mean members should donate because they want to donate to the forum not because there is something coming with. I bought the Copper membership not to be able to post images (since I already could) but to make a donation indirectly. Like I participate in the forum life as I can. I don't really buy this reasoning. You and anyone else could or can still donate to the forum without expecting anything in return. But you did get something. You got the copper title and are wearing it. Some people like it just for that alone or to show that they donated for it. These ranks would be the same. It's a way to show your appreciation for the forum and as a thanks you get some benefits. It's also a way to replace account sales and the shady business associated with them and instead of users buying them of a shitposting farmer or hacker the money goes to the forum instead. It's win win as far as I'm concerned. For account security purposes I would like to see the forum have a email or any kind of notificatiom about a failed log-in attempt and also a permission via email to allow an unrecognized log-in to a new device or ip address. In this way our accounts will be secure from people who are trying to steal it. This kind of early prevention is similar to what other websites/apps are doing and it might really help a lot of people on protecting their accounts.
Yeah, browser fingerprinting would also be good for this. I only use two; one on my computer and one on my phone. Any thing else should set off alarm bells and alert the user. |
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