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2821  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Money is the root of all evil on: July 26, 2012, 10:05:10 PM
And what happens when the goods and services are provided by machines? What use does money have then?

Who owns the machines?
2822  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Zwölftes Münchner Bitcoin Treffen on: July 24, 2012, 08:13:47 AM
Ich befürchte, dass 0 Confirmations nicht ausreichen werden, wenn Bitcoin mal massentauglich wird, weil es dann viele Abzocker geben wird, die manipulierte Apps benutzen werden.
2823  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Killer App: High Yield Investments on: July 23, 2012, 02:22:50 PM
Many more Bitcoin bubbles have been predicted, and this one's probably gonna be the next. It will not so much be through the Bitcoin price this time, the community seems to have learnt that, but it will be through a Black Friday on the stock markets, like in 1929. History keeps repeating, although perpetuating faster. It seems we only really learn when we experience.
2824  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Zwölftes Münchner Bitcoin Treffen on: July 23, 2012, 11:12:01 AM
Im Gegensatz zu den anderen Chains, die nur sinnlose Abklatsche waren und inzwischen tot sind (glaub ich -- hoff ich), postuliert LiteCoin schon, sinnvoll zu sein, und positioniert sich quasi als Silber zu Bitcoin als Gold.

LiteCoin meint, es sei schlanker und schneller. So wird bspw. bereits alle 5 Minuten (glaub ich) statt 10 Minuten ein neuer Block erzeugt, so dass Transaktionen schneller durchgehen. Das hat natürlich andere Nachteile (eigentlich auf Dauer größere Blockchain, also doch nicht so "lite", aber da's ja nur Silber ist, soll's ja nicht so oft benutzt werden, so wie ich das verstehe, oder auch nicht  Huh).

Wie sinnvoll das nun ist, ob da ein "Markt" dafür da ist, bleibt jedem selbst überlassen zu beurteilen.
2825  Economy / Speculation / Re: Silk Road growing and getting re-designed for the increase of new users. on: July 22, 2012, 12:42:14 PM
I hope they make the URL more user friendly too with the upcoming facelift, so that even my grandma can find and use it.  Angry
2826  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: We just reached 1 million posts! on: July 22, 2012, 12:28:36 PM
so what was the millionth post?

was it "RALLY !!!!"? for sure it was.



2827  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Satoshis Whitepaper: ÜBERSETZUNG IN DEUTSCH on: July 21, 2012, 08:06:05 PM
Brav, schöne Idee, hab auch mal ein bisschen beigetragen, ist nicht so leicht zu entscheiden, wie nah man am Original bleiben vs wieviele Freiheiten man sich erlauben soll, um das alles ein bisschen verständlicher auszudrücken.

Na hoffentlich schaun's die Piraten dann auch mal an, wenn's schon über deren ~Pad gemacht wird.  Cheesy
2828  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Kim Dotcom looking for suggestions on payments on: July 20, 2012, 09:33:28 PM
wow he wants to save the world.  Shocked

and no mention of bitcoin still  Angry
2829  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ANARCHO CAPITALISM - debate it here! on: July 17, 2012, 09:29:40 PM
There are no taxpayers in ancapistan,

before != after

in fact probably this happened many times in history already and brought us into the mess we're in  Cheesy
2830  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Zwölftes Münchner Bitcoin Treffen MORGEN !Mittwoch 18. Juli ab 18uhr ! on: July 17, 2012, 06:51:26 PM
BUMP!

wohin?

achso, nach oben, wa? morgen ist das schon wieder  Shocked
2831  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Cross post: Petition to form an indepentent Objectivist State on: July 16, 2012, 08:06:20 AM
Libertarian socialists will roll their eyes when you come with the Soviet Union and East Germany, it's like equaling Margaret Thatcher with Stefan Molyneux.

It's all about bottom-up vs top-down. The eastern bloc economies were inefficient because of top-down planning. Those who were in charge of reporting what materials they needed for their factory in order to fulfill the plan were becoming less and less diligent and more and more cynical. Morale was diminishing because Lenin's promises didn't hold up.

Now look at how things were in the Spanish anarchy. Like in a free market, workers themselves were responsible to order the material they needed. They were in control and felt immediately responsible for the well-being of the people around them they know and love, providing enough motivation.
2832  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How I love so much bitcoins on: July 10, 2012, 03:00:34 PM
{{{{{{{{ BTCitcoin group hug }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} Smiley)))))))))))))))
2833  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Release bitcoin to the masses. on: July 09, 2012, 09:26:37 AM
With those you'd always have to trust the issuer that they don't have a secret back up of the private key.

"For the masses" will appropriately for the information age mean bitcoin cards and mobile clients.
2834  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Putting your money where Pirate's mouth is. on: July 06, 2012, 09:07:38 PM
Nah, I can confirm Vandroiy is *not* pirate. I know Vandroiy in person, and he's more like out of LOTR than the Carribean.  Tongue
2835  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Elftes Münchner Bitcoin Treffen !Terminfindung ab 1.Juli 201 / Nebentreffen 4.07 on: July 06, 2012, 12:00:37 PM
# location

Im Prinzip sehr angenehm an unserem derzeiten privaten Treffpunkt ist ja, dass man sich unterhalten kann, keine laute Musik oder sowas, und dass die Leute recht unkompliziert Hardware und Zeugs mitbringen und herzeigen können.

# kurzvortrag

Ich glaube jeder hält bei uns ständig solche "Kurzvorträge"  Cheesy

# termine

Von mir aus gerne, kollidiert aber anscheinend bisher oft mit der Verfügbarkeit der # location.

# vorstellungsrunde

Ist ja sehr informell bei uns, und man kriegt eigentlich schnell mit, was jeder so macht.

> servus sagt der bitcoin

*der* bitcoin!?  Shocked

@ frage auf dem herzen

Bitcoin ist ja doch ein recht komplexes Thema, das viele interessante Implikationen für alle möglichen gesellschaftlichen Bereiche hat. Das kann man ja in einer Stunde alles gar nicht abdecken. Ich würd sagen, am schnellsten geht es eh, selbst so viel wie möglich nachzulesen im Bitcoin Wiki und halt im Forum hier oder bei StackExchange. Vor allem die technischen Dinge sind in Schrift und Bild ja viel besser erklärbar und darstellbar, als man das mündlich meist könnte. Wir können uns aber gern mal treffen, alles weiß ich jedoch auch nicht, besonders das was mich bisher nur peripher tangiert (Rechtslage etc). Vieles (Sicherheitsstrategien etc) ist außerdem ja auch sehr subjektiv.
2836  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: P2P e-mail? on: July 05, 2012, 11:03:51 PM
RetroShare has also built-in mails and messaging. There's a thread somewhere with lots of "friends" to make. Folks run their nodes for free so far, without Bitcoin incentives. But maybe such a feat would boost the network significantly.
2837  Other / Off-topic / Re: What will pirateat40 do with his booty / bounty ? on: July 05, 2012, 10:42:17 PM
He'll become a
SCAMMER
Hero Member
XXXXX
 Shocked
2838  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Pauls' New Crusade: "Internet Freedom" - A Campaign for Liberty Manifesto on: July 05, 2012, 10:22:47 PM
pro-Bitcoin in the sense of not opposing it, of letting the market decide.

yeah and unfortunately Rand Paul is definitely corporatist than Ron it seems.

I've also long said (intellectual) property rights is the great contradiction in anarcho-capitalism, but I've learnt that not everyone agrees with me.  Embarrassed They almost by definition enforce monopolies, and that on top of most internet technology being prone to centralization due to the inherent network effect anyway.

The Pauls are probably worried that only strong protection of intellectual property rights can ensure jobs and wealth in the future. Probably they're just old. We need new ideas for the information age.
2839  Economy / Securities / Re: BS&T -- Are you staying or leaving? on: July 05, 2012, 07:16:10 PM
In a few years you could be a millionaire. You wouldn't have to work any more. Another year, and you could buy a big yacht and a business jet. Go for it!

I thought we don't need pirate for that?  Huh
2840  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / The Pauls' New Crusade: "Internet Freedom" - A Campaign for Liberty Manifesto on: July 05, 2012, 05:28:37 PM
Pro-Bitcoin, Anti-Stallman I guess... Cheesy

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/the-pauls-new-crusade-internet-freedom

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The Pauls' New Crusade: "Internet Freedom"
Defending the Internet — and the corporations that invest in it — from government regulation is the new “End the Fed,” Paul advisors tell BuzzFeed exclusively. A new Paul manifesto: “This is our revolution.”

Ron and Rand Paul are set today to shift the central focus of their family's long libertarian crusade to a new cause: Internet Freedom.

Kentucky senator Rand and his father Ron Paul, who has not yet formally conceded the Republican presidential nomination, will throw their weight behind a new online manifesto set to be released today by the Paul-founded Campaign for Liberty. The new push, Paul aides say, will in some ways displace what has been their movement's long-running top priority, shutting down the Federal Reserve Bank. The move is an attempt to stake a libertarian claim to a central public issue of the next decade, and to move from the esoteric terrain of high finance to the everyday world of cable modems and Facebook.

[...]

Quote
The Technology Revolution
A Campaign for Liberty Manifesto

This is what a technology revolution looks like:

New innovators create vast new markets where none existed previously; Individual genius enabled by the truly free market the Internet represents routes around obsolete and ineffective government attempts at control; The arrogant attempts of governments to centralize, intervene, subsidize, micromanage and regulate innovation is scoffed at and ignored.

The revolution is occurring around the world.

It is occurring in the private sector, not the public sector.

It is occurring despite wrongheaded attempts by governments to micromanage markets through disastrous industrial policy.

And it is driven by the Internet, the single greatest catalyst in history for individual liberty and free markets.

The true technology revolutionaries have little need for big government and never have. Microsoft ignored the government for years and changed the world by leading the PC revolution.

Today, companies like Apple -- which has created several completely new markets out of whole cloth (iPhone, iPad, iTunes, and iPod) -- are changing the world again, successfully adopting visionary new revenue models for movies, songs and games, and launching an “app economy” responsible for creating almost half a million jobs in the United States since the iPhone was introduced…

All in less than 5 years, and all without government permission, partnerships, subsidies, or regulations!

Technology revolutionaries succeeded not because of some collectivist vision that seeks to regulate “fairness”, “neutrality”, “privacy” or “competition” through coercive state actions, or that views the Internet and technology as a vast commons that must be freely available to all, but rather because of the same belief as America’s Founders who understood that private property is the foundation of prosperity and freedom itself.

Technology revolutionaries succeed because of the decentralized nature of the Internet, which defies government control.

As a consequence, decentralization has unlocked individual self-empowerment, entrepreneurialism, creativity, innovation and the creation of new markets in ways never before imagined in human history.

But, ironically, just as decentralization has unleashed the potential for free markets and individual freedom on a global scale, collectivist special interests and governments worldwide are now tirelessly pushing for more centralized control of the Internet and technology.

Here at home they are aided and abetted both by an Administration that wholeheartedly believes in the wisdom of government to manage markets and some in the technology industry that cynically use the cudgel of government control and regulation to hamstring competitors – the Apple’s and Microsoft’s of tomorrow.

Internet collectivism takes many forms, all of them pernicious.

Among the most insidious are government attempts to control and regulate competition, infrastructure, privacy and intellectual property. According to them;

  • Successful companies in brand new frontier industries that didn’t even exist as recently as five years ago should be penalized and intimidated with antitrust actions in the name of “fairness” and “competition.”
  • Privately owned broadband high-speed infrastructure must be subject to collective rule via public ownership and government regulations that require “sharing” with other competitors.
  • Internet infrastructure must be treated as a commons subject to centralized government control through a variety of foolish “public interest” and “fairness” regulations.
  • Wireless, the lifeblood of the mobile Internet revolution, must be micromanaged as a government-controlled commons, with limited exclusive property rights.
  • Private property rights on the Internet should exist in limited fashion or not at all, and what is considered to be in the public domain should be greatly expanded.
  • Private sector data collection practices must be scrutinized and tightly regulated in the name of “protecting consumers”, at the same time as government’s warrantless surveillance and collection of private citizens’ Internet data has dramatically increased.

Internet collectivists are clever.

They are masters at hijacking the language of freedom and liberty to disingenuously push for more centralized control.

“Openness” means government control of privately owned infrastructure.

“Net neutrality” means government acting as arbiter and enforcer of what it deems to be "neutral".

“Internet freedom” means the destruction of property rights.

“Competition” means managed competition, with the government acting as judge and jury on what constitutes competition and what does not.

Our “right to privacy” only applies to the data collection activities of the private sector, rarely to government.

The eminent economist Ludwig von Mises wrote that when government seeks to solve one problem, it creates two more.

Nowhere is this more evident than in the realm of Internet collectivists and the centralized control of the Internet they seek.

The body of incremental communications law and regulation that has emerged since the days of Alexander Graham Bell are entirely unsuited to the dynamic and ever-changing Internet for one simple reason: Technology is evolving faster than government’s ability to regulate it.

Ronald Reagan once said, "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." But in the Internet era, true Internet freedom can be lost in far less than one generation.

Around the world, the real threat to Internet freedom comes not from bad people or inefficient markets -- we can and will always route around them -- but from governments' foolish attempts to manage and control innovation.

And it is not just the tyrannies we must fear. The road away from freedom is paved with good intentions.

Today, the road to tyranny is being paved by a collectivist-Industrial complex -- a dangerous brew of wealthy, international NGO's, progressive do-gooders, corporate cronies and sympathetic political elites.

Their goals are clear: The collectivist-industrial complex seeks to undermine free markets and property rights, replacing them with "benevolent" government control and a vision of "free" that quickly evolves from "free speech" to "free stuff."

We know where this path leads. As Thomas Jefferson said, "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground."

A benevolent monopoly for "the public interest" is nothing more than a means for the old guard to reassert their power. The role of the government on the Internet is to protect us from force and fraud, not to decide our interests.

But while the Internet has produced a revolution, it has not, in fact, "changed everything".

We do not need to reinvent our principles for the web; we only need apply our core principles to it. When faced with Internet regulation, we should ask these key questions:

1. Is this a core function of the federal government?
2. Does it execute Constitutionally defined duties?
3. Does it protect Constitutionally defined rights?
4. Does it protect property rights?
5. Does it protect individual rights?
6. If the federal government does not do this, will others?
7. Will this policy or regulation allow the market to decide outcomes or will it distort the market for political ends?
8. Is this policy or regulation clear and specific, with defined metrics and limitations?

Yes, there will always be problems and challenges that exist in the online universe. These challenges are sometimes significant and important and other times not. Government, however, will never solve them. Markets will.

As a matter of principle, we oppose any attempt by Government to tax, regulate, monitor or control the Internet, and we oppose the Internet collectivists who collaborate with the government against Internet freedom.

This is our revolution…. Government needs to get out of the way.
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