What do you think?
He simply said what anyone with a brain would say. Unfortunately it's a mailing list so you can't just delete the nonsense once it's been sent out to everyone, and IIRC it's an open list so anyone can send any such nonsense. One would have to be a truly deranged conspiratard to post anti-vax bullshit on the Linux kernel mailing list but that's not much of a surprise anymore... lots of people have made full use of the freedom of being idiots on the internet. |
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it's like your saying that trump supporters(you probably are) lack the ability to think for themselves and would mindlessly follow everything that he says. just because they support trump politically doesn't mean that they would follow everything that he says, especially if it has something to do with money.
I think that any Republican who dares to think for themselves and doesn't blindly follow Trump's every whim is called a RINO. It's Trump's party now. Having said that, he didn't actually tell his supporters to sell their bitcoins. Who knows, maybe they do believe him and want to have a piece of the "scam". The only people more weak-minded than him are the people who voted for him.
Maybe nobody did. I keep hearing the election was fake. Maybe Biden got 120% of the vote. We'll never know. |
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So I suppose we are +3 +4 for a live draft, 0 against it and 5 4 undecided so far.
I'm ok with a live draft. Dibs on Tim Tebow. |
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I think you inadvertently increased the buy-in by a factor ten.
Dang it, yes I did. Bitcoin is too damn expensive, can't keep up with the zeros. Anyway, I'm fine with the 0.0015 BTC. |
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I've signed up with ESPN and I believe I'm all caught up with this thread. Is everyone on board with the 0.0015 BTC buy in? I'm fine with it and I would suggest DireWolfM14 as escrow, if he agrees of course.
Edit: added a zero.
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We really do have a mega H&S forming on the daily. Looks horrid and everyone can see it and is probably trading it.
Pictures or it didn't happen. What I'm seeing seems to have like 4 heads, and I haven't had a drink today yet. |
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That's a bit much suchmoon. Whether on the interwebs or not, it is not a good character trait to merely disagree for the sake of it, and I surely do not mind a bit of argument here and there, but if the arguments are NOT really attempting to get anywhere or even switching the facts or the questions, then there can be a certain amount of disingenuineness there rather than really batting around differing opinions or even having differing interpretations and weighings of importance of facts.
I'm not saying that I disagree for the sake of it... rather that I'm less likely to post "Yes, I totally agree, and you're very clever, much wow" and more likely to post when I (genuinely) disagree with someone. I'm also more likely to read posts that offer something I don't already know, including ones with opinions different than my own. Speaking of dogs, is there are dog story about ChartBuddy and the "ignore" button? I feel like there should be one. I bet dogs would be smart enough to figure that one out. |
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I revised my post a wee bit (including that cited part), but still.. I think that we can agree to disagree. Can we not? I think that you are both coming off as too judgmental and seem to have some kind of built in (wrong) presumption that people are less than objective because they are talking their book (maybe even subliminally).
I will agree that many of the more active participants are interested in a common topic, and some of us have more time than others to participate in discussion here. But, even amongst peeps who seem to agree, we don't necessarily agree as much you seem to be making us out to be agreeing.
Probably you need to hang out with us a bit more, so you will lessen the quantity of your premature (and ill-founded) judging.. and join the fucking club.. where's your hat? where's your lazer eyes? Don't you know nuttin about being a proper WO moonie? At least you got such the right wow name for it. #nohomo.
Disagreeing is half 99% of the fun on the intertubes, otherwise it would be an utterly boring circle jerk. BTW I'm hanging out here probably more than I should, just not posting much because y'all seem to be able to rile each other up without my help LOL. I know, judging-generalizing again. Seriously though, even if I'm (at least partly) right, it's not necessarily a bad thing. Having this... uhm... supportive atmosphere here probably helped some peeps to not dump their coins at the bottom of a dip. I may disagree on what is or is not positive for Bitcoin but in the long run it all kinda blurs out anyway. |
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I don't think that it is very nice of you to be ascribing generalizations to various kinds of us - even if you believe that you can see patterns, and you been around and active in this forum too long for that suchmoon, amiNOTrite?
Oh come on, there is clearly a pattern and it's not particularly subtle or complicated. We cheer the events that we think make the price going up and look for someone to blame when it goes down. I've been around long enough to be more amused than worried about that. |
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Unfortunately it just says "the private key [...] is in the possession of the FBI" and doesn't explain what kind witchcraft was employed in obtaining said possession. It just lists 4 or 5 hops without any proof that the perp owns all those addresses... for all we know the coins could have been sold OTC or something. |
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I am not even going to proclaim that your concern about some companies such as microstrategies overleveraging as being a non-concern, but you do seem to be focusing quite a bit on a large number of strings of events that would need to come true before your hypothetical about a possible situation would end up playing out 4-5 years down the road... not a non-issue, but many of us are going to make our investment choices based on more likely scenarios rather than less likely scenarios.. and sure, maybe you are starting to come to the conclusion that investing in BTC is just a big smoke and mirror situation and we got goofballs like Saylor and MSTR holding it up.. but that seems like exaggerated nonsense too.. almost as bad as the Tether FUD that has not really gone away yet either.
Personally I'm not particularly concerned. I'm operating on the assumption that it's probably a zero-sum circumstance, some pumping by MSTR happened in the past and perhaps some dumping will happen at some point in the future. Although I think I would prefer to have 100 thousand people own one bitcoin each than one Mike own 100k bitcoins but I don't really have any say in that, do I. I'm just mildly amused by the general sentiment towards certain actors doing questionable things that benefit Bitcoin price and we seem to put too much emphasis on the latter. Until they turn around and start pumping DOGE, then they're obviously evil, and a gentle stink of panic is starting to waft through this thread. |
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I am not exactly sure about their average costs per BTC in connection with MSTR's purchases in connection with each of the times that they issued the debt, but it seems that one was around $10k and the other was around $20k, but around a month ago, Saylor had announced that MSTR had an average BTC purchase price of around $24k per BTC for all of their BTC holdings.
So your scenario of BTC lingering at $30k for 5 years (or let's say another 4.5 years when those notes would come due) does not even put MSTR in the negative regarding their use of debt for those purchases.
I meant that they would be under water with this latest debt-financed purchase (e.g at ~$34k) if BTC gets stuck in a prolonged bear season... but if you're saying they don't have to repay it - weird, but what do I know LOL - then I guess they have some breathing room. Still, being a public company I think there is a risk of a minority shareholder lawsuit or some shit like that, which could unravel the whole scheme. Not being a hedge fund or some other investment vehicle and trying to gamble on a very volatile asset seems like asking for trouble. MSTR (and Saylor et al) are making a speculative bet that the value of the bitcoin that they purchased with that debt is going to be higher than the price that they paid for the bitcoin with that debt (plus the 0.75% interest on the first one, and the second one was issued without interest, as I already mentioned).
Well, that's just that - if Bitcoin does well then surely they'll be able to refinance the debt and keep going possibly without ever selling any coins. But if it doesn't do well enough at the right time for MSTR and they have to dump a large chunk... that'll hurt quite a bit more than Musk's trolling. I'm still puzzled how we despise debt here - we do, right? - but still cheer debt-fueled speculation. |
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So enlighten me (and I don't mean it sarcastically - I genuinely don't know) how Saylor and/or MSTR is going to pay interest on that debt and repay the debt itself? Dump some corn? What if corn lags around $30k? |
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The other thing is... the more of him there are the harder it will be for the USGov to attack bitcoin without hurting lot's of private investors. It is starting to imbed itself into world markets in a way that you won't be able to kill it without taking the host out with it. And it's starting to look like the host is potentially the world economy.
I still think that this (using a publicly-traded corp to pump Bitcoin) is the worst way to "imbed [sic] itself". There is zero actual utility in MSTR owning a bunch of Bitcoin, other than possibly skirting SEC (non)approval of Bitcoin ETFs and that can only end in tears. Bitcoin should be quietly replacing SWIFT/ACH/all that other interbank clearing house shit. Or payment systems - perhaps not replace Visa et al because muggles love their plastic cards, but in the backend/settlements. Now that would be something that's extremely unlikely to be unraveled by a government. |
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They might be the people buying $540 bitcoins in 2015/2016 which was way overpriced from $220  . I still have some of those... mined, not bought though. At one point I was mining at a slight loss because I didn't have money to buy bitcoins outright so I basically indirectly bought them at a 10% premium by getting into debt with the electric supplier LOL. Good times. OP is a hindsight prophet, easiest job in the world but unfortunately leads to bitter nocoinerism. |
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I don't know what's more laughable, your "proof" or the fact that you're so terrified of the shit you made up.
Not all want to see it. Then don't look at "it", whatever it is. all you gotta ask is can a baby come out of them hips?
I don't believe I've ever had that question but to each their own. How many men do you know have elbows that stop halfway down their torso?
Another question that never concerned me. Judge for yourself yo. I just had to get it out.
Oh I'm judging. I judge you to be one of the most deluded bigoted morons on this board, and that's quite an achievement in this shithole. |
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Each time the page is refreshed, either theymos or OgNasty's entries are displayed immediately after the first "new" entry. I get JollyGood when I refreshed, but that happened only once. It's sorted by time, but when multiple records have the same timestamp the sort order within that group is undefined so it can be kinda random. I'd like to say I'll fix it but this might take a while  Is there a reason the Search box disappeared from that page?
It's been replaced by these filter options and now it works across the whole history, not just the last 1000 records or whatever the limit used to be:  |
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I don't know what's more laughable, your "proof" or the fact that you're so terrified of the shit you made up.
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I wonder how many members registered in late 2017 are still active today, because that time period saw tons of accounts being created and I think a lot of them went inactive after the ICO boom went bust.
Accounts registered in the last 3 months of 2017 and first 3 months of 2018: still active 1755 out of 812k, so about 1 in 460. To be fair, many of them were utter throwaways. If we exclude ~600k users of that period who don't have any posts at all (e.g. nuked or proxy-banned), it becomes 1755 out of 203k, or about 1 in 116, which I think is not too bad considering that it's been nearly 4 years. Surprised you're congratulating OgNasty, suchmoon.
My opinion about OgNasty is not based on his registration date so why not. |
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Happy anniversary!
To put this into perspective: ~18k users registered 10+ years ago, of those only 44 posted within the last 30 days (about 1 out of 400).
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