I'm going to end this conversation with you at this point.
You're going to completely disappear when Bitcoin hits next ATH. I've seen this a thousand times on this thread. I'll be here. I've been "here" since the ATH of $50 and up. Regardless if Bitcoin is $1 tomorrow or $1,000,000.... I'll be here if I'm alive.  |
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I want in on some of this action. Who wants to fight?
Roshambo or rock, paper, scissors ? I'll go for a round of roshambo if I can go first <3 I want in on some of this action. Who wants to fight?
I'll take a rain check  Time to smoke a doobie, go to bed and get ready for a long day of paying huge BCore fees while liquidating peoples Bitcoin Cash for them again in the morning! *yum* You seem to name call people a lot JayJuanGee. Are you in high school?
The dudes just a bitch... this is what happens when your family doesn't love you and you have to find love on the web! Hateful nasty creatures they are!  Gnight everyone and best of luck in all of y'alls trades <3 |
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probably you have been too busy sucking the dicks of Roger, Craig, Jihan and some of the other big blockers and bitcoin bashers.
I'm going to end this conversation with you at this point. Good luck with all your shit posts and I pray that people can see through "you peoples" shit. |
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If you are so content with bitcoin and you are putting your money into it, then why you whining so much like a little bitch?
Clearly you aren't reading what I'm writing. If you are so content with bitcoin and you are putting your money into it, then why you whining so much like a little bitch?
Why don't you grow the fuck up and figure out ways that you can work around any issue that you might have than trying to act as if the whole fucking sky is falling. Get a fucking grip on reality... yeah we all fucking know that fees are high right now, so if we are trying to be practical, then we are not sending a lot of small transaction on the bitcoin blockchain if we can avoid it. and we are attempting to figure out ways that we are not personally bearing those extra costs.
Some of us are actually involved with Bitcoin outside of posting long pointless posts on one thread. Sounds like you are just ready for a central Bitcoin bank that centralizes Bitcoin and have them save the day!!! Great plan... that should work well. My grip on reality is spot on when it comes to these fees. I deal with this reality multiple times a day when I'm liquidating folks Bitcoin Cash and sending them Bitcoin Core for FreeBitcoins.com... the reality is that BCore has some serious fucking problems right now. I still have three outstanding transactions from a week ago.. so I know.
Holy shit! Three whole transactions?!?!?! Jesus Christ! No wonder you don't care about this shit... if I was a nobody like you with no one actually counting on me to get them paid, I wouldn't be concerned either. Furthermore, yesterday, I sold about $6k bitcoin to someone who wanted to buy some bitcoin from me. Actually he wanted to buy $13k, and I told him that I was only going to sell him $5k, but if he wanted to get $6k, I would agree to $6k rather than $5k if he paid me $50 extra for the transaction fee. He said o.k..... no problem. He wanted the extra $1k and he did not mind paying the high fee.
I've also implimented a $200 trading fee for people who wish to purchase Pappy Van Winkle from me using BCore Coin. A day or so earlier the fee was around $20, and a couple days earlier the fee was around $12. So I am fucking well aware of the increases in the fees, which is frustrating for me, too, but you don't see me whining about it in the same nutjob way as you, because I am figuring out work arounds, and I also understand that there is a bit of a war going on right now and there are malicious players who are attacking the bitcoin network. I am not sure if either the attacks are going to go away or if there are ways that such spam attacks can be fixed, but I am willing to accept that the new state of bitcoin could possibly be a state in which spam attacks continue to be ongoing which causes higher fees and also causes slower transaction times and also takes away some of the lower cost use cases of bitcoin because the bcash nutjobs and who ever else is engaging in such ongoing and persistent spam attacks continue to believe it is in their interests to continue to attack bitcoin. So in the end, this spam attack dynamic becomes the new reality of bitcoin, at least for the time being and it could persist for a long time, so we have to figure out ways to deal with it and to prepare ourself for such new situation
Dude you're nutty as a fucking fruitloop... you sit here posting day in and day out personally attacking people who have legit issues. Legit issues that you yourself acknowlege!  if we don't like it, then we sell our bitcoins, no? If we think that there are better solutions, then we buy into them, right? Oh no, instead you want to whine about it, rather than figuring out some work arounds, right?
I'm talking about a problem and working on a way to fix it, but it's tough to fix a problem that the developers in control of are making and/or going to make so much money off. Hell... your idea of a fix is to centralize Bitcoin and handle the transactions offchain right? Good thinking fucktard. |
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maybe bitcoin will not be able to economically and competitively process transactions under $1k.. so then bitcoin's value is going to have to be somewhere else, and perhaps for the larger and larger transactions.... maybe this will resolve itself, and maybe it will not... .. but don't fucking act as if this is some kind of purposeful thing that core developers have caused. Bitcoin was meant to be used by everyday people for everyday things such as vending... I don't believe Satoshi would have wasted time talking about this if it wasn't in his imagination. The current core developers seem to have absolutely lost sight of that... hell, you seem to have lost sight of that as well. Right now, Bitcoin Core is the most expensive way to transfer money of any amount the more I think about it. I can send a $10,000,000 USD money wire for $25 from my bank. I can buy two $500 Vanilla visa cards for $4.95 each ($9.90 total.) I can send $500 for free using Facebook. ACH for a 25 cents (been a while since I checked ACH fees). FFS, It's fucking cheaper to Western Union right now for god sakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why... would ANYONE use BCore Coin? I can understand why people would buy BCore Coin (because you can get rich quick), but I can't understand why someone would use it with these absurd fees. Using BCore Coin is like cashing your paycheck at a pawn shop when your bank is right across the street. Get the fuck out of here with your "bitcoin was meant to be" language. Either you like it or you don't. Either you invest in it or you don't. If you like some other coin, then go the fuck and invest in those coins... Bye bye... adios. There are a lot of things that bitcoin is, and there are a lot of things that are in development. Accordingly, we know that bitcoin is not currently in any kind of locked state. So anyone can decide whether to buy bitcoin or to sell it, and it seems to me that we have a decent chance of returning to ATHs before the end of this calendar year or soon thereafter, so in spite of your various proclamations regarding what bitcoin should be or should have been, the market is likely going to continue to vote in favor of its current value and future value and the price will likely continue to rise because of these ongoing and persistent buying pressures. Shut the fuck up with your telling me to do this or that. You're a fucking nobody... remember that. If you think "Bitcoin was meant to be" $40 per transaction... you should really kill yourself. You've been here long enough to know better than that. Bitcoin was meant to be used by people for goods of all sizes (candy bars to lambos & beyond). Period. End of story. No fucking debating. If you disagree... stop wasting thread space here and go read Satoshi's Bitcointalk posts. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3I don't even understand how this is a debate... |
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My concern is not that bcash will overtake bitcoin. It's that these attacks on bitcoin will undermine confidence in all cryptocurrency.
bcash is so fun et tu, BAC.  I'm sick of BCore Coin being unusable and people thinking it is fucking some future tech because they put $100 in Coinbase and now it is worth $1000. BCore Coin fucking SUCKS at the moment regardless of whatever the price is. I wouldn't buy Bitcoin Core right now if it was $100 a coin and I fucking love Buttcoins! There is no such thing as bcore, even though I know that you are trying to derogatorily refer to bitcoin in a way that is equivalent to the way that the world refers to Bcash. Why don't you divest yourself from bitcoin, if that is what you are wanting to do, or perhaps just own a small part of bitcoin, and then put the rest of your efforts into bcash, if you think that bcash is some kind of superior coin that you want to shill in this bitcoin thread. So go off to your own lillie forums rather than complaining and exaggerating nonsense about bitcoin including attempting to try to suggest that bitcoin is broken or will not overcome some of the current attacks upon it in the coming years and with increasing developing and network effects that are likely to be inevitably beneficial to bitcoin.. and sure a lot of the alts are going to profit from this too... because if bitcoin succeeds, then likely a lot of alts, ICOs, and bitcoin attack forks are also going to have some platform and some ability to profit as well from such a lucrative growth oriented environment. so, go go go.. bugger off, BayAreaCoins. I'm here to stay... thanks though. There absolutely is such thing as BCore and I couldn't give two shits about BCash... we are actively liquidating BCash for BCore using FreeBitcoins.com, but this is getting more and more difficult as BCore fees get worse and worse by the day. What am I exaggerating? Because the numbers I'm posting are real numbers that anyone can check... The shit you are throwing out there is 60% horse shit, 30% pipe dreams and 10% garbage. Basically, all I've heard you say is "We are getting spammed... there is nothing we can do about it. I know Bitcoin is worthless right now, but maybe we find a niche for our $40 fees." |
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What if crypto is Skynet and we all die
Better than spending $40 fucking dollars in fees to send $10 fucking dollars payments  Sorry if I sound super bitchy, but these fees are fucking destroying me at the moment. I know a lot of y'all don't actually use Bitcoin outside of Coinbase, but for those of us that do... we are getting fucking murdered atm.   |
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maybe bitcoin will not be able to economically and competitively process transactions under $1k.. so then bitcoin's value is going to have to be somewhere else, and perhaps for the larger and larger transactions.... maybe this will resolve itself, and maybe it will not... .. but don't fucking act as if this is some kind of purposeful thing that core developers have caused. Bitcoin was meant to be used by everyday people for everyday things such as vending... I don't believe Satoshi would have wasted time talking about this if it wasn't in his imagination. The current core developers seem to have absolutely lost sight of that... hell, you seem to have lost sight of that as well. Right now, Bitcoin Core is the most expensive way to transfer money of any amount the more I think about it. I can send a $10,000,000 USD money wire for $25 from my bank. I can buy two $500 Vanilla visa cards for $4.95 each ($9.90 total.) I can send $500 for free using Facebook. ACH for a 25 cents (been a while since I checked ACH fees). FFS, It's fucking cheaper to Western Union right now for god sakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why... would ANYONE use BCore Coin? I can understand why people would buy BCore Coin (because you can get rich quick), but I can't understand why someone would use it with these absurd fees. Using BCore Coin is like cashing your paycheck at a pawn shop when your bank is right across the street. Obviously I'm sympathetic about the fees situation. But the fee market is working. I remember back when we were throwing bones we had to switch to alts. I wasn't happy about it, but you use the right tool for the job.
I would argue that the fee market is not working. The way I see it if I had BAC Coin and BAC coin could handle 100 transactions per block. If I'm the one mining the blocks and collecting the reward... what the fuck do I care what I spend if it causes everyone else to compete with me? If I send 0 transactions... everyone else has to spend at least $0.01 If I send 100 transactions for $1 a pop... everyone else has to spend at least $1.01. *cha ching* I'm going to get the transaction fees anyways, so of fucking course, I'm going to spam BAC Coin for year and years to come because it is GROSSLY profitable. It doesn't seem like rocket science. |
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My concern is not that bcash will overtake bitcoin. It's that these attacks on bitcoin will undermine confidence in all cryptocurrency.
bcash is so fun et tu, BAC. I'm sick of BCore Coin being unusable and people thinking it is fucking some future tech because they put $100 in Coinbase and now it is worth $1000. BCore Coin fucking SUCKS at the moment regardless of whatever the price is. I wouldn't buy Bitcoin Core right now if it was $100 a coin and I fucking love Buttcoins! |
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I've had a pending withdraw for well over two days now as well...
Wish these little shitty services would do what they say they are going to do in the timeframe they state...
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My concern is not that bcash will overtake bitcoin. It's that these attacks on bitcoin will undermine confidence in all cryptocurrency.
Bitcoin Core Coin is absolutely shitting on the confidence of cryptocurrency as a whole... if anything Bitcoin Cash is trying to save us. The average cost per transaction for BCore Coin at the moment is over $40!!! If you want to buy a candy bar with BCore Coin... you are going to pay 40x the cost due to fees. If you want to buy a hit of acid with BCore Coin... you are going to pay 4x the cost due to fees. If you want to buy a 8th of weed with BCore Coin... you are going to pay 2x the cost due to fees. I seriously doubt that BCore Coin would have been what it is today without the Silk Road and I doubt the Silk Road would have been anything with such absurd transfer fees. Even if you aren't buying drugs... why would anyone use BCore to send payments when there are SO many cheaper options? In fact, I can't think of a single option that costs more than BCore to send $500. For those who say "Bitcoin isn't meant to buy candy with!"... why would Satoshi waste his time talking about Bitcoin and vending machines in that case? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.msg6269#msg6269 |
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Kloug, you aren't even worth answering.
Good luck though of course.
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I would also explain why the lighning network is a better solution btw.
Let's pretend crypto is gold. A (yeah, decentralized) bank has gold bars. Gold isn't the best thing to use to pay a loaf of bread.
No one wanna scrape gold bars to get gold powder to pay for the bread.
Instead, you'll use a layer in-between, one that gathers shitloads of tiny transactions & merges them. Meanwhile for big transactions, you could still use the blockchain directly.
Personally I'm not even waiting for a lightning network, I'm waiting for Paypal to feed on my BTC's (well, if BTC ever gets stable, that is), just like it can already feed using my bank account or my credit card, transparently. Paypal won't bother doing BTC transfers for the small things I pay, it can as well transfer in bigger amounts to build reserves.
..just like your exchange doesn't -really- perform real transactions when you buy a BCH, it mostly happens internally, it's just owners swapping.
The reason I'm waiting for Paypal is that I want safety, and I believe the majority of people want safety. Send crypto to the wrong address, you've lost your funds, how fuckin dumb is that? This is seriously not ready for mainstream. People want insurance, they want refunds in case of problems, and they want easy payments. I don't know of any crypto that allows that, ATM, sadly. They are all designed for ultralibertarians who are ready to give up on safety, to hide their money. Perhaps we could have BOTH? Actually I think that the lightning network has a refunding system in its core, btw. We'll see.
Yikes... what a scary mindset o.0 I think I'll stick to my Libertarian ways. Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Good luck with BCore Coin having such high disgusting fees & being so unusable that no one can use it unless they are already included in a Paypal type ecosystem... I can't believe people actually want that.  |
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Why is Bitcoin cash any better then litecoin? Been around longer was the first fork off Bitcoin, has Charlie Lee?.
Bitcoin Cash has historical blockchain value because it isn't a whole new blockchain history... it is Bitcoins history... the same transactions and historical infomation as what we've all used for years. Litecoin, ETH, and the other altcoins start their own history when they are created. Bitcoin Cash is not an altcoin history wise. |
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Ok, now tell me how Litecoin, Ripple, .. (I won't bother to list them all) are less affordable to use. Meaning: why else did you chose BCH.
I'm a fan of Bitcoins history. Litecoin, Ripple and the rest of the altcoins do not share the historical value of the Bitcoin blockchain. Bitcoin Cash isn't a whole new chain like the altcoins you named... it is the same historical chain as what Satoshi, Hal, Ross and countless other amazing individuals have contributed to. So you admit you're a worshipper. Anyway, what about Bitcoin Gold then? Or the many upcoming forks? Aren't they all technically better than BCash? First I'm a beggar and now I'm a worshipper? I don't believe I've said anything to merit either of those two beliefs. I don't know if the future forks are going to be better than Bitcoin Cash or Bitcoin Core Coin because I don't have a working crystal ball atm... I guess time will tell. I do know however that it wouldn't take a whole hell of a lot to be better than Bitcoin Core Coin right now and if $40 fees are the future of cryptocurrency... ek! Dude.. The buck you just sent him.. you paid 2 bucks to buy it only 2 days ago.
How do you know that he didn't buy his Bitcoins for $15 back in 2011? There you prove my point. It is THAT volatile. What are you even talking about...? |
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Dude.. The buck you just sent him.. you paid 2 bucks to buy it only 2 days ago.
How do you know that he didn't buy his Bitcoins for $15 back in 2011? Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin as much... if not more so than Bitcoin Core Coin. Both BCash and BCore come from the same history. Their histories only started to differ from each other on August 1, 2017. |
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Ok, now tell me how Litecoin, Ripple, .. (I won't bother to list them all) are less affordable to use. Meaning: why else did you chose BCH.
I'm a fan of Bitcoins history. Litecoin, Ripple and the rest of the altcoins do not share the historical value of the Bitcoin blockchain. Bitcoin Cash isn't a whole new chain like the altcoins you named... it is the same historical chain as what Satoshi, Hal, Ross and countless other amazing individuals have contributed to. |
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Bitcoin Cash is more "Bitcoin" than Bitcoin Core Coin is hands down at the moment because it is actually usable and affordable for 99% of users.
Care to explain how BCash is "more affordable"? Affordable to use. For example, that dude who sent me $1. https://blockdozer.com/insight/tx/486e0d9a6855e98d551b03775f3c6daf338a11160032604a7efd635fe7578dd7The tipper spent Bitcoin Cash worth 0.00000071 Bitcoin Core Coin to send that transaction. Bitcoin Cash blockchain has all the same historical value as BCore Coin, but wasting $40 on the fee. |
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Kodak was the biggest and strongest brand in photography and it
did not want to adapt to the needs of the customers
Errr... I feel like you are talking about BCore Coin. BCore Coin has refused to adapt to the needs of customers to the point that the average fee for a send is over $40 USD!!!!!! This means you are going to spend over 40x the cost of a candy bar, over 4x the cost for a hit of acid and a little over 2x the cost for an 8th of weed... it what world does that seem like the future??? |
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I'm sorry to announce this...
I will no longer accept Bitcoin Core Coin payments at face value. There will be an additional $200 mark up for anyone wishing to pay with Bitcoin Core Coin. This fee will cover the costs of me actually moving the Bitcoins... absolutely fucking nuts.
A $200 fee is somewhat excessive. I sent over $1000 today with a $30 fee. Just switch to Litecoin fees are cheap and confirms fast. I do agree with you that $200 is GROSSLY excessive and as a full-time Bitcoiner for the past 5 years & a Bitcoin lover for 6 years... it breaks my heart, but I'd rather aim high than be stuck with Bitcoin Core Coins that I can't even afford to make the needed transfers. I'm happy to accept Bitcoin Cash, Clamcoin, LTC or other coins that don't have the insane fees that Bitcoin Core Coin has. Honestly, I can feel a little piece of me die every time I send Bitcoin Core Coin lately... I'd rather accept Paypal frankly . It's called Bitcoin. Cya later. You're welcome to call BCore Coin whatever you'd like. |
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