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December 23, 2017, 08:04:13 AM

I really want to see one final total panic sell, all the way down to $10,000 in a matter of minutes, all out hysteria, just like the old days.

That would be bracing! I have standing buy orders all the way down to there and further yet.



I've pulled enough fiat out this sucka in the last few weeks to get me through another crypto winter. See ya at the next halving?

'Cause we know it is inevitable that it will hit ATHs again some day. The only question being when.

Well, unless it is killed off by a preference for the other fork, that is.

Your orders are way too close together - especially for someone who is supposedly more experienced and for someone who has built some equity.

Maybe he’s actually a bot?

Actually that is a good point.  A bot could actually reasonably set orders closer together than any real person would want to tolerate.

OTOH, a bot that left a hole at $7500 would be a very funny bot indeed.

It's actually not that time consuming. Just look over at the other monitor from time to time, and enter one order for each executing order.

Although a bot might be handy...

Actually, I kind of like the "jbreher is a bot" theory, so stop trying to ruin such theory with contrary facts.    Tongue Tongue    Roll Eyes
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December 23, 2017, 08:23:32 AM

I also said my part too in regard to the problematic nature of the seeming structure of your orders.  I am not trying to be a dick, but I am trying to assist your retarded ass, without being patronizing and perhaps you have some kind of explanation that would allow your system to make sense, but having your buy and sell orders so close together seems a bit naive and impractical (or did I say retarded earlier?), and I am saying those things in a loving way.   Wink  - even though I am doing it in a public thread, rather than privately.

Look, fuckwad ( ::mwah!:: ) the way to maximize profits from volatility to to place your orders such that they are as close as you deem tolerable. Right? Placed at $250 (good call by the way), I can profit off every $250 cycle. If they were placed at (e.g.) $1000, the price could (and frequently does) make a dozen or so $250 cycles within that $1000. Yielding me $3000*unit rather than $1000*unit (or whatever BTC, if taking profit on the BTC side). And 3 is more than 1. RIGHT?

And it really is not that burdensome. As I stated earlier, just check the other monitor every once in a while and enter an order or two when warranted.

That said, just two days ago, I pulled off the $125 increment plan, having fulfilled my cash infusion desires. OTOH, several weeks ago, I had not been trading at all. But of late, I decided I wanted to make a large purchase. Mission accomplished, I will indeed be scaling back. Gradually.

Retarded my ass.
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December 23, 2017, 08:26:25 AM

I think the fact that years ago, everyone knows that solar energy requires massive amount of silver and yet silver failed to stage even a meaningful rally is quite bearish.

That has zero to do with it.  The US produces BARELY ANY silver at all.  They rigged the price of silver to both try and prop up the debt based scam dollar, plus it means the US pays nothing for all the silver it imports.  It also means nations like Mexico give away some of their most precious assets for nothing.  All that is now changing.

Many of these other nations they tried to impoverish on purpose started hoarding gold (like India and numerous arab states).  So now there is no real incentive for organizations like the Pilgrim society to prop up gold and suppress silver.  If anything, there's now more incentive to let silver rise and suppress gold.  None of the world powers want places like India to all become millionaires overnight.  That would just mean the other nations are their slaves, and why would anyone be a slave to India?  The fact India has lots of gold means the price of gold is capped at a certain point but silver can moonshot.

Fort Knox doesn't have the gold there either and JP Morgan has acquired an enormous amount of silver on behalf of the US govt as part of their plan B, C, D, E, F, G when the monetary system blows up; that and strategic reserve. So as you can see, silver is not going to be suppressed much longer since there's no real reason to.  When the metals sector breaks free, they aren't going to try and stop silver from ripping people's faces off.

Even China, which is on Silver Standard for a millennium and was one of the largest silver producer in the world (still is), doesn't care about silver.

There is a reason China now issues silver in the same acrylic, protective capsules as they do gold.  You just haven't seen why yet.


Silver as well as all precious metals have a long future of suppression at least until full blockchain adoption is in place. By then only the inner party will be able to use their blockchain money for pm purchases so everyone will be happy by default.
You will learn not to even want it eventually, particularly when there is absolutely no way to use your tokens to get it and everyone you know was born in the same system.

Haha.  The jews have far overplayed their hand and everyone knows it's them pushing for a cashless society slave system and all the other horrors they're behind. The more they push from here, the faster the rest of the planet will dispose of them for good.  They are the biggest paper tiger that has ever existed and will be shocked at how fast they're exterminated.

https://i.imgur.com/CZcLk55.gif

Hating another group the actual owners want you to hate isn't very enlightened and it is a little disappointing.

Are the odds not very high that the Jews are just another one of the groups they hide behind? It would be too obvious otherwise.
The owners have been generating hatred for groups they can hide behind for all of history, what would be different now?

Having you hate whatever group that is too broad to isolate them is very productive for them so why have you fallen in this trap so deeply despite seeing so much? It would be much easier to realize the reality that is the owners are too small of a group to every be correctly identified when the scale is that of a major religion or race. It would then be very obvious too that you are being played and there is no meaningful power to you or yours, only occasional appearance of power when someone wins the lottery or does well in the casino. All by design to keep reality going.

If you were part of the owners you would do to others exactly what they do to you, just with a different label, so why not just admit jealousy and live without hatred and always improving yourself, enjoying every tiny amount of real power anonymity allows you to enjoy as long as you keep your thoughts to yourself?

While there were some goyim usurers in the old days, it's clear to anyone the jew has seized the majority of the pie now.  Due to the Hofjuden and their intermarrying with nobility, we may even be underestimating the problem and just be smothered with nepotistic cryptojews as far as the eye can see.  The I-talians change their last name when coming to America in order to try and integrate.  The jew changes his last name in order to...avoid detection.

Anyway, you would find it's a more productive use of your time trying to persuade Adolf Eichmann that the jew isn't a plague upon humanity that has to be gotten rid of than me.


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December 23, 2017, 08:29:37 AM

My concern is not that bcash will overtake bitcoin. It's that these attacks on bitcoin will undermine confidence in all cryptocurrency.

Bitcoin Core Coin is absolutely shitting on the confidence of cryptocurrency as a whole... if anything Bitcoin Cash is trying to save us.

The average cost per transaction for BCore Coin at the moment is over $40!!!

If you want to buy a candy bar with BCore Coin... you are going to pay 40x the cost due to fees.

If you want to buy a hit of acid with BCore Coin... you are going to pay 4x the cost due to fees.

If you want to buy a 8th of weed with BCore Coin... you are going to pay 2x the cost due to fees.

I seriously doubt that BCore Coin would have been what it is today without the Silk Road and I doubt the Silk Road would have been anything with such absurd transfer fees.

Even if you aren't buying drugs... why would anyone use BCore to send payments when there are SO many cheaper options?  In fact, I can't think of a single option that costs more than BCore to send $500.

For those who say "Bitcoin isn't meant to buy candy with!"... why would Satoshi waste his time talking about Bitcoin and vending machines in that case?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.msg6269#msg6269


I don't know what the fuck you are trolling these repetitious points.


Yeah... we fucking know that there has been ongoing spam attacks that are beyond previous attacks, and they have been going on for nearly two weeks driving fees higher and higher and higher.

Yes, we know bitcoin has not figured out ways to address these kinds of free market desires to ongoingly attack bitcoin, and to drive up fees for everyone..

The fees are not a feature of bitcoin, but it is a means to skim off transactions to separate them from likely ongoing and persistent spam.

So, yeah, if the spam continues to be economical and continues to go on for years, then perhaps bitcoiners will be stuck with permanent high fees that are caused by these attacks.. .. maybe that will be the new bitcoin, perhaps?  maybe bitcoin will not be able to economically and competitively process transactions under $1k.. so then bitcoin's value is going to have to be somewhere else, and perhaps for the larger and larger transactions.... maybe this will resolve itself, and maybe it will not... .. but don't fucking act as if this is some kind of purposeful thing that core developers have caused.  Roll Eyes
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why you go up when i want to short you BTC


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Stamp (target $14,900)


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December 23, 2017, 08:31:44 AM

Morning folks. BTC doesnt care about all this FUD.
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December 23, 2017, 08:35:33 AM

why you go up when i want to short you BTC


Bitcoin doesn't stand in your way to shorting it!!! You are free to do so!  Grin
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December 23, 2017, 08:49:10 AM

My concern is not that bcash will overtake bitcoin. It's that these attacks on bitcoin will undermine confidence in all cryptocurrency.
bcash is so fun

et tu, BAC. Cry

I'm sick of BCore Coin being unusable and people thinking it is fucking some future tech because they put $100 in Coinbase and now it is worth $1000.

BCore Coin fucking SUCKS at the moment regardless of whatever the price is.

I wouldn't buy Bitcoin Core right now if it was $100 a coin and I fucking love Buttcoins!
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December 23, 2017, 08:56:19 AM

Breaking 24777$ prediction game


02/03/2018 heater

go bitcoin go.
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December 23, 2017, 09:00:11 AM

My concern is not that bcash will overtake bitcoin. It's that these attacks on bitcoin will undermine confidence in all cryptocurrency.
bcash is so fun

et tu, BAC. Cry

I'm sick of BCore Coin being unusable and people thinking it is fucking some future tech because they put $100 in Coinbase and now it is worth $1000.

BCore Coin fucking SUCKS at the moment regardless of whatever the price is.

I wouldn't buy Bitcoin Core right now if it was $100 a coin and I fucking love Buttcoins!

Obviously I'm sympathetic about the fees situation. But the fee market is working. I remember back when we were throwing bones we had to switch to alts. I wasn't happy about it, but you use the right tool for the job.
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December 23, 2017, 09:06:17 AM

maybe bitcoin will not be able to economically and competitively process transactions under $1k.. so then bitcoin's value is going to have to be somewhere else, and perhaps for the larger and larger transactions.... maybe this will resolve itself, and maybe it will not... .. but don't fucking act as if this is some kind of purposeful thing that core developers have caused.  Roll Eyes

Bitcoin was meant to be used by everyday people for everyday things such as vending... I don't believe Satoshi would have wasted time talking about this if it wasn't in his imagination.

The current core developers seem to have absolutely lost sight of that... hell, you seem to have lost sight of that as well.

Right now, Bitcoin Core is the most expensive way to transfer money of any amount the more I think about it.

I can send a $10,000,000 USD money wire for $25 from my bank.

I can buy two $500 Vanilla visa cards for $4.95 each ($9.90 total.)

I can send $500 for free using Facebook.

ACH for a 25 cents (been a while since I checked ACH fees).

FFS, It's fucking cheaper to Western Union right now for god sakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why... would ANYONE use BCore Coin?  I can understand why people would buy BCore Coin (because you can get rich quick), but I can't understand why someone would use it with these absurd fees.

Using BCore Coin is like cashing your paycheck at a pawn shop when your bank is right across the street.

Obviously I'm sympathetic about the fees situation. But the fee market is working. I remember back when we were throwing bones we had to switch to alts. I wasn't happy about it, but you use the right tool for the job.

I would argue that the fee market is not working.

The way I see it if I had BAC Coin and BAC coin could handle 100 transactions per block.  If I'm the one mining the blocks and collecting the reward... what the fuck do I care what I spend if it causes everyone else to compete with me?

If I send 0 transactions... everyone else has to spend at least $0.01

If I send 100 transactions for $1 a pop... everyone else has to spend at least $1.01. *cha ching*

I'm going to get the transaction fees anyways, so of fucking course, I'm going to spam BAC Coin for year and years to come because it is GROSSLY profitable.

It doesn't seem like rocket science.
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December 23, 2017, 09:07:18 AM

What if crypto is Skynet and we all die
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December 23, 2017, 09:07:48 AM

I just saw the following ad on the forum:

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There are several different types of Bitcoin clients. Server-assisted clients like blockchain.info rely on centralized servers to do their network verification for them. Although the server can't steal the client's bitcoins directly, it can easily execute double-spending-style attacks against the client.
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I wanted to note that even in the case of thin bitcoin clients, the final verfication is done by the network of nodes (full or pruned wallets), hence, no double spending is ultimately possible.

PS: Now we have FUD on ads! What's next!  Roll Eyes
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December 23, 2017, 09:08:20 AM

What if crypto is Skynet and we all die

Better than spending $40 fucking dollars in fees to send $10 fucking dollars payments Tongue  Cool

Sorry if I sound super bitchy, but these fees are fucking destroying me at the moment.

I know a lot of y'all don't actually use Bitcoin outside of Coinbase, but for those of us that do... we are getting fucking murdered atm.   Angry Lips sealed Cry
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Breaking 24777$ prediction game

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December 23, 2017, 09:10:30 AM

I don’t even have to look at the charts. I can tell the price is going up by the growing panic in the trolls.
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I also said my part too in regard to the problematic nature of the seeming structure of your orders.  I am not trying to be a dick, but I am trying to assist your retarded ass, without being patronizing and perhaps you have some kind of explanation that would allow your system to make sense, but having your buy and sell orders so close together seems a bit naive and impractical (or did I say retarded earlier?), and I am saying those things in a loving way.   Wink  - even though I am doing it in a public thread, rather than privately.

Look, fuckwad ( ::mwah!:: )

I am glad that we enjoy a mutual appreciation for otherwise off-putting terms of endearment.   Kiss


the way to maximize profits from volatility to to place your orders such that they are as close as you deem tolerable. Right?

I do think that works for bots, but I question whether it works so well for humans - even though in theory, you seem to be correct, that the more likely that your orders fill the more likely you are going to be profitable from the various reversals, and the more likely that you are going to have an order that is close to any time that there is a reversal.  Accordingly, the closer together your orders, the more statistically likely that you are going to maximize selling at the top and buying at the bottom without exactly predicting when that top or bottom is going to be.  I agree with that.  


Placed at $250 (good call by the way), I can profit off every $250 cycle. If they were placed at (e.g.) $1000, the price could (and frequently does) make a dozen or so $250 cycles within that $1000. Yielding me $3000*unit rather than $1000*unit (or whatever BTC, if taking profit on the BTC side). And 3 is more than 1. RIGHT?

Theoretically you are correct; however, it seems that I am making way more money with $850 to $1,000 increments than I was making with smaller increments, and I am spending a lot less time managing them, but yeah, they are not filling as frequently.

So, maybe my objection is more with the amount of time spent, rather than with the philosophy; however, one other point that I had noticed, is that when my increments are larger, I seem to end up leaving less money on the table when the price out runs me, because it seems that I can spend some of my freed up time to manage my system a bit better and to step back rather than constantly setting orders when they are at smaller increments.



And it really is not that burdensome. As I stated earlier, just check the other monitor every once in a while and enter an order or two when warranted.

Fair enough.  If you personally believe that you are not stressed about your time management, then so be it.  That is your decision.



That said, just two days ago, I pulled off the $125 increment plan, having fulfilled my cash infusion desires.

Well, it seems that you are moving in the right direction to double your increments, and maybe I have gone too far with $1,000.

I recall that I was still around $100 increments when the price was $2k to $4k, but I incrementally increased to $500 increments as the price approached $10k, and $700 when the price was in the $15k territory and approaching $1k as the price approached $20k.

so once I change my increments, I change them all the way down my buy back ladder under the assumption that if the price goes shooting down, it is going to shoot down and then back up in greater increments than it took when it was first pushing up.  Furthermore, when I reset my buy increments, I can figure out a way to make them more profitable and align them with my BTC accumulation goals.. while preserving the quantity of my fiat too, so that I make sure that i have enough to buy back to the point that I feel comfortable (whether that is preparing for a 50% correction or a 80% correction or some other variation).



OTOH, several weeks ago, I had not been trading at all. But of late, I decided I wanted to make a large purchase. Mission accomplished, I will indeed be scaling back. Gradually.

Seems like you go from one extreme to another, meaning from no trading to extreme trading, but I suppose if it is accomplishing your goals, then I cannot really criticize you for that.


Retarded my ass.

Hahahahahaa.. maybe retarded is relative, no?

Your explanation might have given your practice a bit more credence, and like I said, surely I could understand tighter increments if you have short term goals like you suggest or you want to learn, or  you are just getting started so you are building up your stackings of orders, so it is possible that I am presuming more about you than I should.  My presumption is that you have possibly accumulated a similar quantity of BTC as me, and you are in very decent BTC equity and you had been trading for a while - and you seem to be pointing out that you have been taking some breaks from trading and maybe some of my presumptions are  a bit off, which would cause your system to make a bit more sense, and perhaps not quite reach the level of "retarded."   Tongue   hahahahaha   Cheesy Cheesy
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What if crypto is Skynet and we all die

Better than spending $40 fucking dollars in fees to send $10 fucking dollars payments Tongue  Cool

Sorry if I sound super bitchy, but these fees are fucking destroying me at the moment.

I know a lot of y'all don't actually use Bitcoin outside of Coinbase, but for those of us that do... we are getting fucking murdered atm.   Angry Lips sealed Cry

People are getting priced out of Bitcoin, fast. We both knew it would happen. Block space is a limited resource and it always will be. I think a robust fee market is good; I think malicious, goony miners spamming up the works is shitty. But it is what it is, for now.
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December 23, 2017, 09:18:49 AM

My concern is not that bcash will overtake bitcoin. It's that these attacks on bitcoin will undermine confidence in all cryptocurrency.
bcash is so fun

et tu, BAC. Cry

I'm sick of BCore Coin being unusable and people thinking it is fucking some future tech because they put $100 in Coinbase and now it is worth $1000.

BCore Coin fucking SUCKS at the moment regardless of whatever the price is.

I wouldn't buy Bitcoin Core right now if it was $100 a coin and I fucking love Buttcoins!


There is no such thing as bcore, even though I know that you are trying to derogatorily refer to bitcoin in a way that is equivalent to the way that the world refers to Bcash.

Why don't you divest yourself from bitcoin, if that is what you are wanting to do, or perhaps just own a small part of bitcoin, and then put the rest of your efforts into bcash, if you think that bcash is some kind of superior coin that you want to shill in this bitcoin thread.

So go off to your own lillie forums rather than complaining and exaggerating nonsense about bitcoin including attempting to try to suggest that bitcoin is broken or will not overcome some of the current attacks upon it in the coming years and with increasing developing and network effects that are likely to be inevitably beneficial to bitcoin.. and sure a lot of the alts are going to profit from this too... because if bitcoin succeeds, then likely a lot of alts, ICOs, and bitcoin attack forks are also going to have some platform and some ability to profit as well from such a lucrative growth oriented environment.

so, go go go.. bugger off, BayAreaCoins.  Roll Eyes
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