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2861  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-09-11] Stern Professor Says Bitcoin Will Hit Zero After 70 Percent Drop on: September 16, 2018, 09:45:39 PM
Bear markets don't lead to assets dropping to zero, otherwise, all stocks would have been long dead now.

I think that his primary point that he's trying to make that most cryptos are worthless, which is true for a lot of ICOs. However, bitcoin is not one of these coins as it actually gets practically adopted, has the trust of the community since it's the first crypto, and is decentralised. No idea why anyone would expect BTC to go to zero realistically.

As they pointed out bear markets are nothing special and generally bitcoin does decline quite a bit before recovering in the next bull market. The professor here is exaggerating this drop by putting it way out of the context of historical bear markets with the same magnitude that has recovered. And it makes sense that they do recover, as adoption is still increasing, and institutional investors are also on the increase.

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Nowadays every news portal is trying to get readers with either one of these " BTC will go to 50k soon"  or " BTC will be dead by next friday"

Pretty accurate.

There is no real, sensible analysis of bitcoin price in mainstream media overall at this point because of the fact that it does not grab attention of readers. These extreme, illogical predictions are what gets clicks. That's why i think we've got so many of these predictions that if you have any sense of the market, will know that it's not true.
2862  Economy / Economics / Re: Is there any chance of having one global currency? on: September 16, 2018, 09:22:29 PM
Could you see a future wherein the entire world shares one global currency, be it fiat or crypto? If I think it in a scifi kind of way, it would most probably be some digital currency that could all just use. It doesn't even have to be in this century. Maybe the next?

Of course. It could already be a possibility right now given enough adoption into the bitcoin network. There's already the means to do it in the form of bitcoin, all that is required is an increase in adoption worldwide to the point where bitcoin can be used worldwide without having to exchange any currency.

Obviously, that would be a pretty utopian view by our standards and probably won't happen any time soon.

More likely than not I think that if there was to be a global currency, which is a likely possibility in the future at some stage, it will still be issued by some sort of central entity, potentially a world central bank of some sort.

The other more realistic possibility is that bitcoin will not replace fiat currencies outright around the world, but rather be a globally accepted alternative to fiat. It's still a global currency, and it holds value wherever you go without having to exchange forex. But I don't think that in that bitcoin as a parallel global currency scenario you can say that it's the "single" global currency around the world.

But hey, anything could happen. Bitcoin could become the dominant currency for international business over the internet, as some sort of niche. We don't know at this point other than the fact that BTC is capable of being just that.
2863  Economy / Economics / Re: The Fall of Fiat: Could Community Currencies Be The Future of Money? on: September 16, 2018, 09:17:48 PM
I have been casually studying Austrian economics for the past 6 years and I came to the conclusion many years ago we need a system, instead of using government and central banked pieces of paper we should all create our own community currencies to be trade peer-to-peer without intermediaries. I came across the very interesting article today on Steemit. It will be great to get feedback on it:
https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@tinyearth/the-rise-of-crypto-could-community-currencies-be-the-future-of-money

What are your thoughts on bitcoin, and other 'global' cryptocurrencies?

They're also decentralised and not associated/affiliated with fiat currencies issued by governments, but obviously they operate at a larger scale than the localised, community based currencies that you seem to be interested in.

To me, these global decentralised cryptocurrencies are the most interesting compared to community issued ones as they could facilitate international transactions with a unified currency like never before - saving on efficiency, cost, while being a global store of value. I'd be interested to hear your take on the benefits of community currencies compared to bitcoin. I mean, individual communities can still adopt BTC and benefit from it, and potentially enjoy more stability in the long run in their currency of choice.
2864  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-09-14] Coinatory: India is studying the implementation of the blockchain.. on: September 16, 2018, 09:10:49 PM
India, as a country with a high level of development of the IT industry, constantly shows new results on working with blockchain technology. The capital city of the Indian state of Telangana will be a blockchain district. In addition, in September last year, the state authorities of Andhra Pradesh announced the conclusion of an agreement with a company that provides cybersecurity WISeKey to protect the data of Indian citizens using the technology of blockchain. Recently, the Reserve Bank of India has formed a new unit to study new technologies, including blockchain, cryptocurrency, and artificial intelligence.

Read more: https://coinatory.com/2018/09/14/india-is-studying-the-implementation-of-the-blockchain-in-the-framework-of-cooperation-with-brics/

Aren't they also planning on releasing a national crypto or something along the lines of that?

Seems like the government of India is currently interested in blockchain, but yet, they're not supportive of bitcoin at all which makes no sense.

Their policy of restricting banks from dealing with bitcoin businesses simply don't make sense to me while they are trying to adopt all this blockchain technology into corporations and a national crypto. I understand that they're trying to take the centralised route of development, but not accepting decentralised cryptos into their economy will only mean that they themselves lose out in the long run.
2865  Economy / Speculation / Re: Crypto Market Will ‘Absolutely’ Grow 1000x and More on: September 16, 2018, 09:07:53 PM
Changpeng Zhao, the CEO of Binance better recognized as CZ, has said that crypto still has room to grow by more than a thousand times in the years to come.
What you think about this news?... News link( https://www.ccn.com/binance-ceo-zhao-crypto-market-will-absolutely-grow-1000x-and-more ) from ccn.com

I mean, it's possible.

Given that fiat currencies around the world will be on a constant decline due to the government debasing the currency, it would be no surprise in the long run if decentralised cryptos held up its value against such depreciation, leading to a rise in nominal value. Besides, demand for bitcoin should increase drastically as well.

However, it's hard to see this happen in the short term like he claims, "in years to come". More likely than not widespread adoption isn't going to come any time soon at this stage, and a rise 1000 fold currently does seem quite an unrealistic figure for the short term given that we already experienced a pretty big bull market last year.
2866  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: blockchain.com still not utilizing Segwit? on: September 16, 2018, 09:40:04 AM
Nope. All the while they're trying to revamp their site and add new features, while this promise that they made way back has not been fulfilled to this date.

Honestly not surprising at this stage, they already have a pretty bad reputation. Besides, as others have mentioned the ownership of the company have probably been a contributing factor as to why other altcoins have been implemented while Segwit, which should be implemented before any of the others do, has not.

Either way, I'm not using blockchain.info again and haven't since the early days. There is no advantages whatsoever with using them compared to using Electrum, GreenAddress, or other wallets that do support Segwit, and offer more control over your coins in terms of ease of management of private keys than blockchain.info.
2867  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-09-11] Chinese Cryptocurrency Traders Use Tether and VPNs to Bypass Ban on: September 12, 2018, 10:19:49 AM
Since bitcoin transactions and the network itself is decentralised, it essentially means that there is no means that a government can take to completely shut down the usage of bitcoin in a particular country.

China already has tried to ban ICOs (which may actually be positive given the state of the ICO market is in right now) and exchanges, as well as getting Wechat and Alipay to flag and suspend accounts. But none of this is going to be a completely foolproof way of stopping people that want to use bitcoin from using bitcoin. Bans can happen but the enforceability of such bans are going to be extremely low.

I guess that's the ultimate advantage of decentralisation in bitcoin, that governments cannot exert ultimate control over the entire system, and that the supply of the coin is hard coded so that again, governments cannot debase the coin.
2868  Economy / Economics / Re: Is the Blockchain overhyped? Blockchain Digital Transformation [Infographic] on: September 12, 2018, 09:37:21 AM
I think that in some aspects, yes. In some other aspects, it is actually still quite underrated.

For example, the fact that people still think that there is going to be one single ICO that will be able to disrupt the entire digital economy or a sector of that economy (whether gaming, shopping, or so on) without the project having any sort of prior experience with actual business is absurd. Centralised cryptocurrencies and blockchains are also over hyped, like certain projects regarding institutions issuing their own tokens, etc.

However, actual decentralised cryptocurrencies like bitcoin as a store of value is probably underrated in my opinion. People still don't realise that bitcoin is able to run parallel with fiat, and serve as a store of value and safe haven asset.
2869  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-08-24] Liechtenstein Bank to Launch Its Own Crypto Backed by the Swiss Fra on: September 12, 2018, 09:28:11 AM
I don't think that they're necessarily going to disrupt anything.

Perhaps this could be used as a safe haven asset of sorts for investors who want to keep their savings offshore in Swiss Francs, except in a way which they can access whenever they want online and transact with it in the form of tokens. That is the niche that I think they will likely be focusing on.

But even then, there are already cryptos like Tether which essentially stand behind the same principal of pegging it against a fiat currency, which seems to be the whole idea of this crypto. Only difference is that there is a whole suite of services that this crypto may offer to investors in the future, which is yet to see how practical it will truly be. But at the end of the day - this is centralised, and I don't see that much promise in the long run.
2870  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scam ICO- Socialmediapay - Fake team on: September 12, 2018, 09:16:31 AM
Literally the most terrible attempt at faking a team that I've seen in a while.

The CEO doesn't even have a fake profile image attached to his name, with the most generic name that there could be for a fake name. While the other guy in the team was randomly scraped off a dating site, apparently.

Can't believe no investors ever raised doubts about the project before your accusation came out, which is just absurd.

BTW, ICOHolder is pretty redundant simply because they are so inaccurate. It's not the first time we've seen something like this happen, and it could potentially cost misled investors tons of money.
2871  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What will happen if Bitcoin gets official permission from the government...??? on: September 12, 2018, 09:04:11 AM
Bitcoin is an independent Cryptocurrency that no other third party takes advantage of transactions from two sides. This is a peer to peer transaction conducted by sellers and buyers only. Cryptocurrency transactions do not need to be identified or verified by the recipient of the funds when the funds are sent, that is what makes many people choose to use bitcoin.

Does the government mix in managing transactions for each user?

If the government mixes in managing transactions, will they take advantage of every transaction Huh

What is your opinion.?

Bitcoin's network simply can't be controlled by governments due to its decentralised nature.

If bitcoin is officially recognised by the government, then it is only on a legal sense. For example, they may recognise bitcoin as a currency, which may have potential tax implications. Another term for this process would be legalisation.

However, it does not mean all of a sudden that bitcoin transactions will be able to be controlled and verified by governments after this process of legalisation. Because whatever recognition bitcoin gets from the government is only applicable for the government/taxation agencies, and has no effect on the network itself.
2872  Economy / Economics / Re: Venezuela In Chaos - Massive 95% Devaluation -new Bolivar pegged to state crypto on: September 12, 2018, 08:59:25 AM
A centralized cryptocurrency under government control is a contradiction in terms, so it doesn't make any sense.
Simply, Maduro is trying to save the savable, still deluding the population a little with an unrealistic proposal while preparing the escape plans.
Too bad, Venezuela is a magnificent country and does not deserve the suffering it is going through due to incompetent and corrupt politicians.

Actually, centralised cryptocurrencies are not necessarily a contradiction. It's just that it makes no sense for anyone to make an investment or affiliation with any centralised cryptocurrencies because it essentially is the same as any other fiat.

I honestly don't see where Maduro is trying to go with the Petro other than trying to lure in investment from overseas to finance their regime and escape sanctions, potentially.

The thing with Bolivar pegged to Petro is that Petro is not backed by actual oil reserves, but land that has unmined oil reserves which need significant investment in mining to actually dig out of the ground. Tying the bolivar to this centralised asset will do nothing to help the hyperinflation going on within the country at the moment, in my opinion.
2873  Economy / Speculation / Re: when will you learn price is not related to news on: September 12, 2018, 08:51:44 AM
A lot of people asking what happened after a steep move of btc price. Just like there must be a bad news for down and good news for up. There is no rule like this and probably a lot of people will not really understand. There are few thing affects btc price but news are less affective on price, dont like to give numbers but it is more %5 of btc price is related with developing news, infact there was no real relation but some people think there is a relation so it causes an affect on price. Likely a lot big drops happened without a proper reason. But still people was wandering around any news which may cause to this. Big company accept btc so it should rise? they dont microsoft accepted btc affected only %0.5 bump on price just long 10 hours and price continued to drop that days, some people says mtgox crysis is the cause of 2013 rise and fall i find it funny. There are a lot of price moves on btc and you cant find matching news with them. If you wonder what is real cause of that steep drop i can say it is manipulation, not even free market can react that fast it is manipulators. But it is another topics's subject.
Just know bitcoin price is almost not related with any news. Kiss

Well, short term prices are definitely related to news. Don't think that the correction from $7k+ to now is a result of any particular piece of news, though.

It's just that sometimes people overly stress the importance of such news. Sometimes news is exaggerated within the market to bring market sentiment artificially down in the short term, just like we saw with ETF rejections when the first ones came out. But as you can see now, no one cares anymore about ETFs being rejected in the market.

News does play emotionally on the market in the short term which could drive prices up or down. But in the long run, what matters most is adoption, not news at all.
2874  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-09-11] Nasdaq Said to Be Building Tool to Predict Crypto Price Movements on: September 12, 2018, 08:43:57 AM
Again, this demonstrates the inflow of institutional investors to the market.

I wouldn't really say that the building of such tool is anything majorly positive to bitcoin itself due to the fact that it's treating bitcoin as purely a speculative token rather than a practical currency to use, and that the use of the tool is only going to realistically benefit the elite traders at wall street as well as institutional investors.

There are also no clues as to how exactly their tool will function, so even if it does come out the accuracy of its predictions are probably going to be debatable. But hey, markets are likely to show signs of bullishness in the short term in response to this news, even though there might be no long term benefits to this.
2875  Economy / Economics / Re: What will happen if the all countries convert to cryptocurrency? on: September 12, 2018, 08:40:42 AM
Now that more and more countries are starting to go cashless (http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20180427-does-a-cashless-society-benefit-everyone), is it possible that we also start converting to cryptocurrency? If that happens, what do you think are the advantages and disadvantages? Paying virtually is very convenient for me as I do not have to bring cash and it prevents petty theft but what is the disadvantage?


It's possible, if the government are switching to issuing their national currency on a blockchain.

It's actually an interesting point to consider because it is actually extremely likely that this will happen some time in the future. We're already seeing many governments around the world expressing interest in doing so, or actively doing so already (Venezuela, for example).

Even though it would still be considered to be a crypto, it is in fact just fiat currency issued on a different platform. The element of control is still there for the government, and I wouldn't say that anything would change much in terms of how the economy is run. To the average consumer, it wouldn't be any different than electronic transactions that we already have atm.
2876  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Are there any bots in BCT accounts? on: September 12, 2018, 08:36:25 AM
I have read in the telegram channel of the ICO project which i am going to onveat and it says that the team requirea the bounty hunter to do KYC because there are many bots being joined on their campaigns. So if the team accusing of the likes of this event meaning there are bots in the BCT forum? I wonder how many bots i encountered and doing conversation with them here in the forum. So far from the experience i had from threads i reply most of the time there are comments having some few words and most of it are generic which means it could apply to all threads when posted.

Obviously there are, and there are probably multiple types of bots, whether bots that are made to purely spam the forum, or if they are in a signature campaign and using a bot to generate their posts. All of these are possible and have happened in the past.

Your concern here is mostly on the KYC that you have to submit.

I think that when it comes to your personal information, the best policy is to not submit anything if possible. If you don't know who's going to be handling your data and they are forcing you to hand it over, which is something that I wouldn't be comfortable with - don't join it.
2877  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Wire payments to Bitcoin, automatically? on: September 12, 2018, 08:14:04 AM
Hi guys,

I do some consultancy work online and my preferred method of payment is Bitcoin. Sometimes, however, people are simply not able to send Bitcoins directly – only fiat wire transfers. I have been thinking about a fix to this for a while, but haven't been able to come up with something. Is there a way for people to wire money to an exchange/service, that automatically exchanges the fiat to Bitcoin and then to me? I would want to avoid having the wire transfers sent to a bank account in my name, where I then exchange it the fiat to Bitcoin manually. The process of exchanging the fiat wire payment into Bitcoin wouldn't necessarily need to be automatic. But, I would want to avoid using a bank account, especially one in my name, as a middleman to make this possible. Are there any services/exchanges that provides a solution for what I am looking for, while remaining somewhat anonymous?

Kind regards,
Usw



Seems like you could use coinbase plugin on your site.

However, there is likely going to be some degree of KYC when purchasing with wire transfers due to fraud. I'm fairly sure that for your customers, this is definitely not for them as they're looking to pay in a fast way, not to sign up to coinbase and get verified and all that whole process. Plus, the rates on coinbase generally aren't that good. There is also a few days delay when it comes to wire transfers.

If that does not work, then I would incentivise the customers by providing a discount when paying for bitcoin, while having a list of bitcoin exchanges which they could potentially use to purchase BTC. As others mentioned due to regulatory issues there is simply not a lot of services that do what you're looking for here.
2878  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [ICO]🔥NewChain Platform - Fake Team on: September 12, 2018, 01:28:58 AM
Good finds. Fabricated teams always mean that the site is a scam. They likely have something to hide, either in case of an exit scam, or because they have no qualifications to run the project.

I think that some of the referenced sites themselves probably aren't even the original source of the image. For example, for Thomas Williams, there are 3 sites that you found with the same image, except with different names. Very likely that these sites either used stock images, or they are themselves fabricating testimonials.

That aside, they've pretty much recycled the idea of a social trading network, which has been done in other sites as well as ICOs probably hundreds of times by now. Looking at their whitepaper, they even refer to "pump groups" as one of their motivation. That's how shady they already are even without being exposed with a fabricated team.

According to their own stats, there has currently been $15k or so in token sales. Hopefully after this accusation, no one else falls for this scam again.
2879  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-09-10] Goldman Sachs Plans to Launch Bitcoin Derivative on: September 12, 2018, 12:06:34 AM
Is Goldman Sachs' Martin Chavez correct in saying that there are no industrial grade custodial solution for bitcoin? The article also mentioned Xapo, Bitgo and Coinbase to be those solutions, but I reckon it might be more advisable if Goldman Sachs hire developers and build their own private solution.

In any case, if they hire me, I will teach them how to use Electrum hehehe.



Martin Chavez indicates that clients want a Bitcoin derivative, specifically saying “The next stage of the exploration is what we call non-deliverable forwards, these are over the counter derivatives, they’re settled in U.S. dollars and the reference price is the bitcoin-U.S. dollar price established by a set of exchanges”. Goldman Sachs is already settling Bitcoin futures contracts from the Chicago Mercantile Exchange (CME) and Chicago Board Options Exchange (CBOE) since May 2018. This new derivatives product Martin Chavez is talking about is like an in-house version of cash-settled Bitcoin futures.

It would be much better for Bitcoin, and much more groundbreaking, if the product Goldman Sachs plans to launch uses physical Bitcoins. However, Martin Chavez says “Physical bitcoin is something tremendously interesting, and tremendously challenging. From the perspective of custody, we don’t yet see an institutional-grade custodial solution for bitcoin, we’re interested in having that exist and it’s a long road”.


Read in full https://bitcoinnews.com/goldman-sachs-not-abandoning-crypto-trading-desk-plans-bitcoin-derivative/

Again, they are trying to launch something that is a derivative instead of dealing with actual bitcoins, held on addresses.

All of these derivatives/funds/etc. are all going to be targeting other institutional investors or mainstream traders, instead of actually benefiting anyone that actually uses the bitcoin network for on-chain payments tangibly. They're essentially treating bitcoin as just another speculative asset, which it is in some ways, but they're focusing entirely on that aspect.

People need to understand that. It's why I don't really care about Goldman's decision to put their trading desk idea on hold, because it pretty much brings no benefits to bitcoin itself.

Also, I don't understand why they think that holding funds in Coinbase, Xapo, or Bitgo vaults are secure at all compared to just having a privately developed cold storage wallet. There are just so many counter party risks that could go wrong with vaults that involve a third party. The third party could always access your private keys, and access your funds (whether legally or illegally), regardless of the level of security they've got externally.
2880  Economy / Economics / Re: this is wrong:Why is a higher volume of BTC Short positions a bullish indicator? on: September 11, 2018, 11:48:49 PM
I agree with the other users here.

Shorting means that people see the market as overheated, or is a co-ordinated effort on trying to keep markets down.

Shorting to me generally suggests that even though markets may be currently bullish, they are most likely going to be negatively affected if there is a huge amount of shorts within the market.

If unexpectedly, markets see a huge reversal of prices and see prices rise, it could cause a short squeeze if the conditions are extremely bullish. That doesn't happen all the time, though, and there would still be some bearishness before the squeeze comes. Would be interesting to see your sources on this theory.
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