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2901  Local / Română (Romanian) / Re: Suntem incepatori in acest domeniu.Ne ajuta cineva cu sfaturi de la A la Z? on: May 09, 2021, 12:05:11 PM
Chiar ma uitam dupa postare, si nu intelegeam de ce nu o vad.

Eu am raportat postarea, dar se parea ca fara succes.

Succesul a venit intr-un tarziu, aparent Smiley Din pacate pentru mine nu am apucat sa vad ce scria, dar citatele incluse de kevin mai sus imi trezisera interesul. Am ajuns prea tarziu insa.

In primul rand, cred ca-ti "racesti gura" de pomana. Cred ca postarea a fost tradusa (cu oarecare succes) din alta limba, iar proprietarul contului este fie doar partial, fie deloc vorbitor de romana. Poate ca ma insel, dar asa cred. Plus ca postarea este doar in scop de reclama pentru acel website.

Insa din ce vad aici nu am ratat mare lucru. Pacat. Chiar speram sa fi intervenit cineva nou aici, pe sectiunea romaneasca... Cineva care sa mai spuna o idee personala... Din nefericire insa, dupa ce ca suntem doar o mana de oameni, mai apar si unii, precum cel cu postarea stearsa, care sa scrie balarii...

In rest, da, ai dreptate si cu faptul ca nu se stie daca asta a fost varful pe 2021 sau, mai bine spus, sunt sanse mari sa nu fi trecut inca bull run-ul, si da, DCA / Dollar Cost Average este una dintre cele mai bune variante pentru investit, atat timp cat "investitorul" fie nu lucreaza cu sume prea mici, fie nu retrage (in cazul unui exchange centralizat, de exemplu) de fiecare data in portofelul propriu, ca sa nu piarda prea mult cu taxele da retragere sau de tranzactie (depinde de caz).

Revenind la subiect, subscriu si eu la ideea de mai sus. Presupun ca autorul postarii sterse scrisese ceva pe acest subiect, Da, DCA mi se pare si mie un indicator foarte relevant, si nu doar in crypto, cat si in perspectiva vietii de zi cu zi (inclusiv la pretul benzinei, de pilda). Ma rog, nu tocmai DCA, ci principiile din spatele acestuia. In perspectiva bull run-ului... eu mereu am crezut in sinea mea ca BTC poate doar sa creasca in timp, odata ce incepe sa fie adoptat. Cum a spus si Satoshi la un moment dat (insa, din nou, nu am gasit acel citat si mi-e tare ciuda -- poate il gasiti voi?), ceva de genul "Bitcoin ori va avea o valoare foarte mare ori nu va avea nici o valoare". Un fel de "ori la bal ori la spital". Si ceea ce m-a facut sa cred tot timpul ca va creste mereu (unde "mereul" se vede pe tot timpul de la lansare si pana in prezent, nu pe ultimele 2 zile) este un fapt pur matematic: tot mai multi intra in ecosistem si, ca urmare, Bitcoin se imputineaza tot mai mult, in sensul ca fiecarui participant ii revine, in medie, o cantitate tot mai mica de BTC. Evident, devine si mai greu de obtinut si acest aspect contribuie de asemenea la cresterea constanta a valorii. Singura problema era aceea la care se gandise si Satoshi, si anume: sa nu trezeasca interesul. De aceea cred ca a spus ca ar putea sa nu aiba nici o valoare...

Dar, odata depasit pragul acesta, adica odata ce a inceput sa trezeasca interes... atunci drumul este doar catre o valoare foarte mare. Acum da, acest "foarte mare" este de asemenea greu de definit. Ce inseamna foarte mare? Pai comparat cu vremea cand valora 0,1 centi, cand a ajuns la 1$ inseamna ca a crescut de o mie de ori. Este aceasta o valoare foarte mare? Cu siguranta ca este. Apoi a ajuns la 1000$. Este si aceasta o valoare foarte mare? Da, clar. Acum e peste 50.000$. Este o valoare foarte mare? Evident. Si tot asa... Deci nereferindu-ma strict la un bull run care s-ar putea opri si pretul ar putea-o lua, o vreme, in jos, ci referindu-ma la un trend per total, de la aparitie, eu cred ca Bitcoin va continua sa creasca.

Si daca ar scadea de la valoarea actuala, timp de o luna / o jumatate de an / un an pana la un pret de 20.000$ (sa zicem), ulterior eu sunt ferm convins ca va reveni, si chiar si la valori mai mari decat cele actuale. De ce? Pentru ca in tot timpul acesta se va imputina si mai tare. Si va fi si mai greu de obtinut... Si va fi si mai putin ramas din cantitatea totala care mai poate fi minerita...
2902  Economy / Services / Re: [FULL] ChipMixer Signature Campaign | Sr Member+ on: May 06, 2021, 02:09:42 PM
Basically @icopress was lying to [...] manipulate the system.

"Bun" him!
2903  Local / Română (Romanian) / Re: Cumpara Bitcoin fara KYC: ATM-urile Bitcoin Romania care respecta anonimitatea on: May 06, 2021, 12:10:54 PM
Da, cred ca e un minus faptul ca firmele astea nu fac parte din comunitatea de pe forum.

Nici eu nu inteleg de ce nu intra si aici... Am vazut la un moment dat cateva exchange-uri... ma rog, reprezentantii / patronii unor exchange-uri... dar au disparut complet. In rest... Reprezentantii romani ai indutriei lipsesc aproape cu desavarsire... ElRond avea un thread, tinut de Lauda intr-o vreme... Si mai stiu de WebDollar ca are un thread, dar acolo reprezentantii lor intra din an in Pasti. In rest... liniste si pace, din pacate...

La partea cu chitanta, cred ca ai dreptate si ma astept ca, la cerere, sa se elibereze si chitanta daca te duci la sediul central. [...] Iar daca te duci la sediul lor si nici la cerere nu iti ofera un bon/o chitanta, cred ca e o problema. Nu sunt obligati prin lege sa elibereze bon (macar la cerere, daca nu automat)?

Nu stiu daca legea ii obliga, sincer sa fiu... Normal asa ar fi. Din pacate, la capitolul asta cunostintele mele sunt destul de limitate (la partea de eliberare chitante la cerere). Dar, daca incearca cineva sa solicite, poate ne anunta si pe noi, macar sa stim la ce ne putem astepta pe viitor, in caz ca mai apar astfel de intrebari sau... chiar ne lovim noi de vreo situatie de genul (desi, sper din toata inima, sa nu fie cazul). Oricum, nici eu nu cred ca ei ar tine totul on-chain. Intrucat si ei au contabilitate, au nevoie de acte... Deci problema ar fi doar daca elibereaza chitantele la cerere sau nu, nu si daca au evidenta (intr-un registru contabil) pentru tranzactiile efectuate la ATM-uri...
2904  Economy / Services / Re: LoyceV's Avatar for Rent [first 🦊🦊2 YEARS🦊🦊 (111 weeks) rented out] on: May 06, 2021, 05:30:45 AM
We even use a different word for it at home, so they don't know what we're talking about.

What is the word? Maybe we can use it here too? Smiley For similar purposes, of course.
2905  Local / Română (Romanian) / Re: Cumpara Bitcoin fara KYC: ATM-urile Bitcoin Romania care respecta anonimitatea on: May 05, 2021, 12:05:18 PM
Bine punctat... Cred totusi ca, daca mergi la sediul central al Bitcoin Romania si le ceri o chitanta, iti pot elibera. Nu garantez acest lucre, dar cred ca sunt sanse. Si asta deoarece au sediul in camera alaturata ATM-urilor si ar fi relativ usor de contactat in persoana, pentru cine merge acolo. Desigur, nu multi procedeaza asa, din perspectiva pastrarii unei anonimitati cat mai mari. Dar, pentru cine ar dori o chitanta, nu vad niciun motiv pentru care nu ar elibera asa ceva...

Intr-adevar, daca mergi la un alt ATM, din alt oras, situatia devine mai problematica... insa chiar si asa, cred ca daca ii apelezi si ii rogi sa iti emita o chitanta pentru tranzactia din ziua X, de valoarea Y, ar putea sa te ajute si sa o trimita prin email. In fond si ei isi contorizeaza toate tranzactiile efectuate de aparate, sunt platitori de impozite, TVA etc. Era mult mai simplu daca ar fi fost prezenti aici, pe forum. La un moment dat imi multumisera pentru crearea acestui topic si au spus ca vor fi prezenti si aici... Dar, iata, inca nu s-a intamplat acest lucru...
2906  Local / Română (Romanian) / Re: Cumpara Bitcoin fara KYC: ATM-urile Bitcoin Romania care respecta anonimitatea on: May 05, 2021, 11:01:06 AM
Concret, pe hartie scrie "trimite  urmatoarea suma la adresa X in maxim 20 minute" si tu poti foarte bine sa faci asta sau sa nu faci asta si aparatul iti va da bani in loc sau nu.
Hartia nu spune daca tranzactia a avut loc sau nu.

In cazul acesta, Blockchain-ul reprezinta dovada clara si incontestabila ca tranzactia ta a avut loc in urma primirii hartiei respective. Legal, nu stiu cat de valida ar fi o astfel de proba, intr-adevar. N-ar strica sa ofere si o dovada fizica.

Ah, am inteles acum la ce te referi. La ceva de genul unui bon fiscal... sau al unei recipise care sa consfinteasca practic operatiunea pe care ai efectuat-o... Da, intr-adevar, ATM-urile Bitcoin Romania nu ofera asa ceva, si nu stiu daca altele (BitMahavi, ProHash) ofera... cu exceptia celor de la Shitcoins... Sincer sa fiu, niciodata nu mi-am pus problema asta. Dar, uite - nici daca achizitionezi produse de la un aparat de bauturi / sandvisuri nu primesti bon...

Din ce stiu, legea cere operatorilor de aparate sa utileze aparatele cu un fel de contor intern, astfel incat sa poata emite firmele ulterior bonuri fiscale pentru produsele vandute prin intermediul aparatelor. La crypto-ATM-uri insa... e cu totul si cu totul alta discutie Smiley

Vorba lui kevin... tehnic vorbind, Blockchain-ul e sfant si imuabil... Dar ma indoiesc ca vreo instanta din Romania (daca ar fi cazul de asa ceva, evident), ar accepta Blockchain-ul ca proba. Acum ducem discutia si mai departe insa. Cred ca e prima data cand imi pun si eu intrebarile acestea.
2907  Local / Română (Romanian) / Re: P.U.L.A. Filosofie on: May 04, 2021, 02:48:13 PM
Voi ce valori aveţi în viaţă?

Tehnologia se pune? Scrisesem mai sus despre asta Smiley

Almost everyone are here for the money.
I admit I'm not here for the girls Cheesy

I don't know about you, but


Despre Frumuseţe ce sa zic - se stie ca e trecatoare Smiley Acum, sincer sa fiu, nu imi dau seama daca intrebarea e sub forma de amuzament sau chiar erai serios... Sincer (si serios) vorbind, loialitatea mi se pare o valoare care trebuie foarte apreciata... La fel si onestitatea... Si spiritul de a sustine / fi sustinut pe / pe cineva, cand are nevoie de adevarat... Sunt lucruri rare si, de multe ori, din pacate, sunt omise de multi, chiar daca le gasesc atat de rar...
2908  Local / Română (Romanian) / Re: Cocoșelul zburător on: May 04, 2021, 02:41:17 PM
Băă, voi ați citit "The future is faster than you think" de Peter Diamandis?

Eu unul nu... spre rusinea mea, desi am citit mii de carti la viata mea...

De acuma tre sa concurăm și pe piața mașinilor zburătoare. Așa că mă bag și acolo. Cu compania de zbor "Cocoșelul Zburător"

Stiindu-te o fire inovativa, nu ma mira de loc intentia pe care o ai. In fond ai si creat o moneda proprie, dedicata celor care muncesc cu sarg Smiley Ca atare, sunt ferm convins ca poti sa te afirmi si in acest nou domeniu. Numele este sugestiv si inspira multa duiosie. Important e sa aiba si impact pe partea de Marketing. Pe mine m-ai convins Smiley

în traducere liberă "Flying Little Cock"

Vei merge pe numele romanesc sau pe acesta? Sau vrei sa te lansezi si local si international in acelasi timp?
2909  Local / Română (Romanian) / Re: Cumpara Bitcoin fara KYC: ATM-urile Bitcoin Romania care respecta anonimitatea on: May 04, 2021, 02:30:46 PM
La Bitcoin Romania pare sa difere in functie de aparat. O parte dintre ele nici macar nu apar pe Coin ATM Radar sa poti face o comparatie concreta in acelasi moment.

Confirm, asa este si mi-au confirmat si ei telefonic. In Bucuresti, de pilda, cel mai bun curs este cel de la sediul lor central. La Dubliner era cel mai slab curs. Din ce am inteles, diferenta este generata de nivelul de utilizare al aparatelor.

A scos pana acum cineva din ATM-urile Bitcoin Romania sume de 5.000-10.000 RON odata? Oare sa fie comision variabil in functie de suma, si de aceea sa nu raporteze pe Coin ATM Radar un % exact? Huh

Am scos eu. Comisionul nu variaza in functie de suma, ci doar de locatia aparatului. Aditional, imi spusesera ca la sume de minim 1 BTC ar putea oferi un discount...

Lol, eu am presupus ca la Bitcoin Romania rata de schimb este cea afisata pe siteul lor de ATM-uri, acolo in stanga sus a paginii:
https://cryptoatm.ro/

pandorian, site-ul acela nu este actualizat... Am sunat de mai multe ori la ei in aceasta privinta... insa nu se stie cand va afisa informatii precise, din pacate... Este mai mult orientativ...

Atentie la ATM-urile Bitcoin Romania, nu elibereaza nici o hartie care sa faca dovada ca ati retras numerar, spre deosebire de ATM-urile Shitcoins.

Cum nu elibereaza? Pai tichetul de remitenta emis... ce reprezinta? Pe baza lui poti retrage ulterior banii de la aparat, altfel nu ai cum, tehnic vorbind...
2910  Economy / Services / Re: LoyceV's Avatar for Rent [first 🦊🦊2 YEARS🦊🦊 (110 weeks) rented out] on: April 29, 2021, 05:44:05 AM
Where’s everyone?
Flux capacitor improperly calibrated which led to an alternate dimension where there was no concept of bicycles and our whole society was made of flurry yellow insects?

Sry guys, it was just me. I tried do divide by 0 last night, trying to repeat an experiment our Leader did recently. When I woke up it was another day

This is last time I divide by 0, I promise!
2911  Other / Off-topic / Re: Share Good Movies Please? on: April 24, 2021, 03:55:48 PM
@GazetaBitcoin can anybody report the posts that don't follow this rule?

Yup! I am reporting them and peter too. And apparently, we have also helping hands which were not aware of (see in post of Chato1977). However, if there are posts not respecting exactly the rule, but they give much info about a movie, these are not supposed to be reported (like this one). The rule was to improve the posts quality, so when someone was mentioning a movie others would know a bit about it. Of course, also for limiting spam, as many newbies not aware of rank-up criteria are trying to get many posts thinking this is how they rank-up lol. But if someone gives more details about a movie is okay. Practically, the problem is not about guving more details, but about giving too few Smiley

I'm in the process of gathering all the movie recommendations that were posted in this thread and I'll be trying to organize them in a way that's easy to read / search. I think this will both increase the number of different movies entries and we can then get a glimpse of what genres our user base likes to see.

This is very nice of you but it'll be very hard. For example, at the beginning, I posted once about 1500 movies in a single post However, if you do that, it would be amazing!

I had been reported some post from this thread that's not following the OP's Posting requirement and Yeah those were deleted .

and i also report some posts that i find generic meaning has been posted already.

Thank you so much for the help. I was not aware that our topic raised so much interest... And I am happy to see also contributors here which keep the topic clean. Great job!
2912  Economy / Services / Re: LoyceV's Avatar for Rent [first 🦊🦊2 YEARS🦊🦊 (109 weeks) rented out] on: April 21, 2021, 06:59:19 PM
One hundred and ninth week paid.
Thanks again for your flawless timing Smiley

Thank you as well!



Fillippone, I need a hand here... Are you so kind, please? You know the drill... I pay good shekels Smiley
2913  Economy / Services / Re: LoyceV's Avatar for Rent [first 🦊🦊2 YEARS🦊🦊 (108 weeks) rented out] on: April 15, 2021, 07:47:43 AM
By mere curiosity, does the plastic bottle have the seal of approval by Greta?

Greta? Who is Greta? oO
2914  Economy / Reputation / Re: The shameful Romanian translation of Bitcoin white paper from Bitcoin.org-FIXED! on: April 15, 2021, 06:51:02 AM
(drums..) the pull request was already merged (some minutes ago) by Cřbra to master repository [...] It's all good now.

Thank you once more time, NeuroticFish, for having helping out also with this final step! You are a true asset!


Everything is solved now for the Romanian translation of the white paper. We can say Flawless Victory! Smiley (I just remembered this quote from Moral Kombat games Smiley )

There's nothing shameful any longer in the Romanian translation for the Bitcoin white paper. Au contraire!  Wink

Indeed! Smiley And, as a consequence, I also updated the title of the topic. The shame is gone!

I guess that this thread can be locked.

Yup, I'll close it soon.
2915  Economy / Services / Re: LoyceV's Avatar for Rent [first 🦊🦊2 YEARS🦊🦊 (108 weeks) rented out] on: April 14, 2021, 08:02:08 PM
Fillippone only pawn in the game of life.
I can help you if instructed properly.

Fillippone, my friend, look: see this trail of shekels I left behind? It's very shiny. Just folow the path, please, and you'll find me soon. After we carry the treasure we drink that good wine I have -- obviously, from a plastic bottle Smiley
2916  Economy / Services / Re: LoyceV's Avatar for Rent [first 🦊🦊2 YEARS🦊🦊 (108 weeks) rented out] on: April 14, 2021, 07:52:32 PM
Thank you as well!



Am I alone in an alternate reality where I am left alone derailing this thread?

Fillippone, would you be so kind, please, and stop whinnying and help me carry this bag of gold? I told you alredy I'll pay you good shekels! Cmon, give me a hand here! It's really heavy!!!
2917  Economy / Reputation / Re: The shameful Romanian translation of Bitcoin white paper from Bitcoin.org on: April 11, 2021, 02:50:02 PM
Yep, it was quite an adventure [...]I'd say that the result worth it!

Everything was worth it! Smiley Absolutely everything! And I am more than happy that we reached this achievement!

I will also add icopress to the list, since he has also supported the translation, he posted on GitHub to the issue I've created for this.

Thank you for the heads-up, NeuroticFish! And I am sorry for my small mistake, icopress! I just updated my previous post. I simply did not see his comment there... I was looking at the other link, where all the others commented (https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/Bitcoin.org/pull/3630#issuecomment-812834229). However, I thank him too inside me and I also included him in the list of all which supported me but I did not mention them all as they were too many... We exchanged some PMs regarding this initiative and I highly appreciated his support. Thank you icopress. And please forgive me.

Gazeta's fears have somewhat also scared me. Good that everything has ended so well and rather quick too after it went public

Hehe, sorry for being paranoid some times Smiley I guess when I am in situations of facing a supreme achievement or happiness I think of the worst many times... I don;t know why. Maybe because when you expect the worst, then if it happens, you already got used with the idea of it happening...? And also, in the opposite case, the happiness feels even greater...? In any case, this time the fears did not materialize and we can all celebrate Smiley
2918  Local / Română (Romanian) / Re: Rugaminte [bitcoin whitepaper] on: April 10, 2021, 01:52:33 PM
Tin sa va multumesc si eu tuturor pentru tot ajutorul oferit! Pentru tot sprijinul oferit, indiferent de forma lui - sfat, cuvinte de incurajare, efort depus, timp petrecut pentru realizarea aceasta impresionanta, felicitari, confirmare a calitatii noii traduceri...

Totul a fost posibil doar cu ajutorul tuturor celor care au fost implicati - atat direct, cat si indirect - in acest process. Am scris in topic-ul international cat de mult va multumesc tuturor (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5285986.msg56751892#msg56751892). Doresc insa sa o fac si aici, in acest topic al nostru, al romanilor!

Impreuna am invins! Este o mare realizare si, cred eu, va fi benefica tuturor romanilor care vor citi acest document istoric. Daca ar fi sa ma exprim intr-un mod mai aparte, acest document este ce a lasat Satoshi cu limba de moarte pentru cei ce-i vor calca pe urme. Este o piesa istorica, este piatra de temelie a Bitcoin, este mostenirea lasata de Satoshi pentru noi toti. Din respect pentru el, cuvantul sau ar trebui impartasit catre cat mai multi oameni. Si, pentru a fi impartasit cum trebuie, pentru ca oamenii aceia sa inteleaga ce a scris Satoshi in urma cu multi ani, atunci gandurile si cuvintele sale trebuiau sa fie traduse in mod idiomatic in fiecare limba in care au fost traduse, intr-o maniera care sa faca cititorii sa perceapa ce a gandit el atunci cand a scris respectiva lucrare.

O traducere corecta se realizeaza greu, foarte greu. Una idiomatica este insa si mai dificila...

Sper ca acest document, care acum este prezent si in limba romana intr-o maniera corespunzatoare, sa fie de folos pentru cat mai multi bitcoineri!
2919  Economy / Reputation / Re: The shameful Romanian translation of Bitcoin white paper from Bitcoin.org on: April 10, 2021, 12:04:56 PM
It is a great day to live! I wanted to write a very special message here for this accomplishment, but I simply could not find proper words. So what I'm writing is straight and coming out of my mind right as we speak...

The new translation has been accepted!


In the above screenshot you can see a part of its first page. The highlighted part says:

"Romanian translation realized by Gazeta Bitcoin
Proof reading and adapted diagrams realized by NeuroticFish
"

Feel free to check the entire document here: https://bitcoin.org/files/bitcoin-paper/bitcoin_ro.pdf.

It's been a huge amount of work, which took months for making it flawless. But without NeuroticFish it could not be done. He helped me with reading, re-reading and re-re [...] -reading the document for so many times, spotting typos, various errors, bringing suggestions for a better formulation of the text... I remember that a very delicate part was to find a proper (and also idiomatic, and I want to accentuate this - idiomatic) way to say in Romanian the names of two problems mentioned by Satoshi: The Gambler's Ruin Problem and The Binomial Random Walk. Many economic, statistics or mathematics problems which have a foreign name have also a translated name. But not all of them. And, anyway, even if they have a translated name in a specific language, there are high chances to not know the respective name unless you are experienced in the respective field. The names of these two problems... gave us problems, to say so Smiley So we just thought and thought how they should be spelled in Romanian. I wanted so much to have just a perfect translation. NeuroticFish, on his side, he is a perfectionist as I also am. Sometimes, a perfectionist may be seen as pushy by others. Or as insisting too much. He knew that. But I also knew that, as I know how I am seen sometimes by others. He excused himself for insisting on some matters, but I told him: "NeuroticFish, never worry about the way I see when you insist on some things! I want you to do it! And I thank you for acting on this manner, because only this way we can target perfection!". I needed such a person to collaborate with, as this work was about showing full respect and dedication for what Satoshi did... So, coming back to those two problems, I initially found a way to say their names in Romanian, then NeuroticFish came with another suggestion, then I came with another suggestion... Then we both started to search the Internet deeper and deeper for finding any possible clue if those problems had a Romanian name. Those two names - just this part, which seem so simple - took us a few days, if I remember well...

And that was just an example of how hard this work was. There are many English words or words used in cryptography or in Computer Science which do not have a Romanian counterpart. Some have, but sound not so natural. And yet, they are Romanian words. This part took also a great amount of time. Two such examples are "nonce" (which does not exist in Romanian) and "byte" (which exists in Romanian, in two variants - "bait" and "octet")...

I could give many other examples of this thorough and elaborate work, but this is not the main focus of this post. I just wanted to say a few examples of what I remember, things which seem so simple and yet they are very complicated.

Excepting his help on such kind of situations he also adapted all the diagrams in Romanian. Furthermore, even the mathematics formulas used by Satoshi are also translated in Romanian, as they contain a few words in English.





In the end, this tremendous work was finished... But, somehow, the hardest part was just about to come: meaning to see the final outcome of the new proposed translation. To see if it will be accepted by bitcoin.org's maintainers. So we asked for help. For opinions from other experienced members. Some kind users gave very useful advice. I went even more far: I asked theymos for guidance. And theymos was also kind and offered me precious guidelines for how to proceed. I take this occasion for thanking him personally for helping with sharing his great knowledge with me in the matter of performing a pull request. He warned me though that I should seek Romanians to confirm the quality of the new translation as otherwise Cřbra would not be able to accept the new proposed translation as he would not know anything about its quality, nor about its author and nor about NeuroticFish, which created the pull request.

As a consequence, when Cřbra wrote on GitHub that

Quote
Thank you for this, unfortunately it's hard for us to review the quality of a translation, so it can sometimes happen that a bad translation of the whitepaper slips through.

As @Komodorpudel said, we will wait for a native Romanian speaker to confirm the quality of this particular translation, and then we will merge.

I already knew that this was supposed to happen.

The good part was that Cřbra and Komodorpudel had their eyes on the new proposed translation, which, for me, was another reason to fear about. Indeed, I also feared that the pull request will not be observed or maybe it will not get anybody's attention. I was happy to see I was wrong about that.

The hard part was to have indeed people to confirm the quality of the new translation and people who can confirm, at least, my general good intentions regarding Bitcoin, regarding Satoshi, regarding the Cypherpunks, regarding this forum or regarding the spread of Satoshi's word to people... This part was hard because Romanian board is mostly inactive, no matter how many efforts were done by me and a very few users which tried to keep it alive - NeuroticFish, 20kevin20 or IonCreanga. So I did not know if Cřbra's (normal) request can be accomplished.

But I kept my hope. In the end, this was all I could do. I simply hoped.

And, after a few days, the miracle happened! The new proposed translation was accepted! And this is unbelievable, as I still can't believe what I see with my own eyes. I started this journey on November 1st, 2020, when I created this topic, so 5 months and a half passed since then. I started this journey blindly, as I knew it will be a huge work, if I want it to be flawless; I was aware of some of the risks that could jeopardize the final result -- meaning all the work could be in vain; and during this journey I found out about even more difficulties which could also lead to have a work in vain. So all I can say now is that for me everything seems like a miracle! And that I am so happy to see this positive outcome, as I am so happy I could do something very important in respect for Satoshi, for his work and also for bitcoiners!





But none of these could be realized without so many of you. Somehow -- like in another miracle -- so many worked as a team. And I want to thank you all.

I want to thank to those which in November 2020 encouraged me to create a new translation from scratch - nullius was the first; NeuroticFish was the second.

I want to thank to all users which offered valuable information about how to work with GitHub pull requests: notblox1, nullius, bitmover, NeuroticFish and NotATether. And, of course, I also thank to theymos which gave me precious details about all this process and about what to expect while doing it.

I want to thank to NeuroticFish for being there with me in all this journey and for helping me so much. Without him none of these could be possible.

And I also thank to all of you which supported the new translation, which offered feedback about the quality of the new translation or which wrote positive feedback about me, about my good intentions, about my passion for Bitcoin and about my dedication when it is about working on a specific matter. Your inputs from GitHub and from this topic led to having this translation approved! So I want to thank to IonCreanga, 20kevin20, LoyceV, 1miau, fillippone and icopress. Again, without you, none of this could happen!

Last, but not least, I also want to thank to all other users which supported me in various ways, from sending encouraging PMs to offering me their ideas and congratulations for what I did. I will not mention all your names here, but you know which ones you are. And I thank you all. Your words helped me keep my hope alive and gave me even more determination for doing this!





Of course, I could not end this post without thanking as well to Cřbra and to Komodorpudel for accepting the new proposed translation. I know that my name meant nothing for you before as same happened with NeuroticFish's name. Maybe if you were active on this forum these names would tell you a few things but you are not active here so I understand perfectly how you felt when a total stranger came and said: "Hey, look! The actual translation of the white paper is very bad... You should change it with this new one!". Of course, these were not the exact words but this was the general idea.

I know you had to take a leap of faith here and, in the end, you took it. The feedbacks from forum members with great reputation must have been crucial for convincing you, but I am sure that, as you can not read the document, you felt you had to take a risk. And indeed it was a risk... But the result is now that a very good translation is present on bitcoin.org and this document is a way for respecting Satoshi. This document will help, maybe, hundreds or thousands of Romanian bitcoiners, curious to understand Bitcoin or to learn from this historical paper.

You took the right decision and I am happy about that and I thank you very much.

One small kind request though: on the website (https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-paper) the Romanian translation still appears in the list with its previous author:



Please be so kind and change the author as well. Thank you in advance.





Thank you all, one more time. As you see, we worked as a team during all these months. Each had a special role in this project. And each had an important contribution for this final result.

Long live Bitcoin!
2920  Economy / Reputation / Re: The shameful Romanian translation of Bitcoin white paper from Bitcoin.org on: April 09, 2021, 06:41:09 AM
Local Romanian poster. I've printed the shameful translation a long time ago and gave it to someone close who I thought would understand Bitcoin much easier. They were even more confused after reading the nonsense translation than they were before. That's when I found out how bad the old translation is.

Thank you for confirming this, kevin.

I can confirm Gazeta and Neurotic's work is properly written and translated. Well done to both of them for the hard work

Thank you also and thank you very much for confirming this as well. It is very important to have Romanians confirming the quality of the new proposed translation. I really appreciate your feedback on this matter, kevin!

shame on me for completely missing this thread on the forum as I would've more than happily helped out with the translation too! Cheesy

It's okay, don't worry Smiley I am sure we will have many other opportunities to work together in the future, for the benefit of the forum!
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