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2901  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] Polyswarm - The first decentralized threat intelligence market. on: March 17, 2018, 06:24:14 AM
Hi guys, after ico ends how long is it going to take before tokens get released on exchanges. I hope it doesn't take much time at all

A good project aught to have been planning towards listing by this stage of the ICO so that there won't have to be much waiting and dormancy in activities after the ICO. That way people can start trading their coin immediately after ico

Indeed, typically it takes a week or two so just give it some time and the announcements will be made

Sometimes it takes a few days. It is different on each ICO. You can always try to contact the team on Telegram maybe. This way you will have a answer from the team that is trustful.

When the Polyswarm ICO is completed, which exchanges would you like to see NCT tokens get listed on? I think they should definitely try and get listed on a top 5 exchange, but a top 10 trading platform would also be a great start.
I am still not sure about 5 exchanges. But by 31st March we can see NCT token on HitBTC exchange. They already announced about listing on exchange.



I look forward to when NCT will get listed on the exchanges, HITBTC is a good base exchange to start off with and I hope the team can expand to other big exchanges such as bitstamp, bittrex, binance in the near future would be an awesome goal too

If only it was as easy to list them on major exchanges than it is to talk about it. But it is a good thing that it is difficult and seeing our Nectars listed on one will prove the project's worth

You're right, sometimes i read comments people make about exchanges and just giggle, is honestly not easy setting this up and some exchanges can be head breakers with annoying protocols just to get listed, we should also understand that, is not only this project that needs to get listed, others are fighting to do so too, so is not as easy as it sounds
2902  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 4NEW - The World's First tangible Waste to Energy Blockchain on: March 17, 2018, 06:20:21 AM
On the homepage i read "In 2018. you can utilize KWATT for global healthcare"
Now I've searched the whitepaper for it, because I would like to have more information, but can not find anything. Does anyone know how this will work?

Wasn't it planned that KWATTs will be accepted in Urgent care, telemedicine services, pharmacy and substance abuse and mental health treatment centers? I think we talked about this here a few days ago if I remember correctly. Strange that it isn't part of the Whitepaper anymore?


maybe I just missed it. I searched for Healthcare and found nothing. They may have used other terms in the whitepaper, or they really took it out. I will dedicate myself to the search again this weekend.
if we have already discussed this in the forum, then I have probably overlooked it. Or forget, I'm just too busy for the moment

I checked the site and i can see three main benefits -

Stake It- In 2018, you can stake KWATT to apply your electricity towards crypto mining transactions.
Trade It - In 2018, you can trade KWATT to pay for electric bills.
Utilize It -In 2018. you can utilize KWATT for global healthcare and money transfer services.

I think he might be referring to third point. We need more info on this point.

I came across this project and it seems to be very interesting. I just checked 4NEW website as well and I can see they already reached softcap and more than 50% tokens already sold. I am thinking of investing into this project, but need to do some research.

This is a good sign indeed, the faster the sale goes the better for the prospects of the project. If you have an engineering related question you can pm me

That's pretty decent, i had no idea that 50% of the tokens has already been sold, is been a while i visited the site, probably i don't like getting jittery of things Smiley, crypto-investment can sometimes make you loose concentration, love to know the movement has been progressive, will check it out later
2903  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO]ContractNet - At the intersection of Blockchain, IOT & SMART CONTRACTS on: March 17, 2018, 06:13:55 AM
Well, I was very impressed about the idea of this project and especially "at the intersection of Blockchain" because the era of Blockchain changed all financial transactions for the best , and I am pretty sure that it will be more successful in the near future. Furthermore, the most important  and essential thing in every project is the good partners and I see that this team is distinguished by many talents and they  are  appropriate for this project and "One hand doesn't clap" .
Hope that this  success continues for the better.
Best regards ContractNet team.

Nice, i like to see people talk about the future, as this will give them an idea of what this project is all about and is always best to think ahead, blockchain tech is becoming known and lots of people are getting to know more about this, coupled with IoT, when they start embracing this, we'll get to see a lot of boom in the industry
2904  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: ✅✅✅[ANN] GIF [ANN]GIFcoin ICO - Gambling Investment Fund ✅✅✅ on: March 17, 2018, 06:08:13 AM
This is one of the most widely advertised ICO project of Q1 2018, I saw this project everywhere online, and I must say it's quite fascinating and sounds too good to be true that the company will share 80 per cent of its profits. I hope this is sustainable long term if not it sounds too good to be true

Which is a really good thing, seeing the coin starting to be everywhere means a strong possibility it will explode due to demand. Too many good ideas and crypto ico's have little advertising exposure which leads to great ideas going no where. Whatever their doing seems to be working, and i'm hopeful they will still expand it further. The more the GIF gets exposed and the more investors hear about it and get excited for it the more chance that its valuation will skyrocket post ICO.

It is logical that this ICO is one of the most advertised in Q1, they already have an existing, real working product and a great customer base.

Yea, i figured that out, Vitalbet gambling platform and according to their whitepaper, they need the funds raised through the ICO for primarily promotion and they expect a rise in revenue after this is done, with the intention of sharing 80% of the net profit to holders on a yearly basis, is quite huge
2905  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: ⚡⚡🚀[ANN][ICO] DEVELOPEO (DEVX) - 4TH INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION - OPEN SOURCE 🚀⚡⚡ on: March 17, 2018, 06:00:00 AM
I'm impressed with the project, it has great prospect but what are the benefits for token holders of DEVELOPEO token.

I will also love to know more about this, i'm tying to sniff through the whitepaper on that, i can only see where they talked about rewarding contributors like the programmers, though when it comes to value, holders will surely benefit when the demands are high, maybe the team can clarify us more on this
2906  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO]ContractNet - At the intersection of Blockchain, IOT & SMART CONTRACTS on: March 16, 2018, 08:40:39 PM
what kind of project is it? why there is no information in the announcement? why there is no link to the site? Can you tell me what is the point?

You must be mistaken, visit the first page of the thread to get virtually everything you need about this project and social media handles, in a nutshell, ContractNet based their concept on IoT which is known as Internet of Things, which in simple terms is the network of physical devices, go through the whitepaper and get a better understanding of how it works and ask your questions, i'm sure you will get answers
2907  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO NOW!] 💠 FORTY SEVEN BANK 💠 – Connecting Financial Worlds on: March 16, 2018, 06:40:24 PM

Greetings community!

In accordance with our ROADMAP, we are 95% integrated with the SWIFT system and will be estimating completion by March 31st, 2018.

We are offering another contest during this ICO period!

 10 randomly chosen transactions made between 12.03.2018, 15:00 (GMT+0) and 19.03.2018, 15:00 (GMT+0) will receive X2 FSBT tokens!

Raffle process will be fully recorded on video and shared on YouTube.
It’s time to make a contribution!

In addition to this contest, we're also temporarily offering a 25% discount on ICO tokens purchased within the next 12 hours.

Therefore, 1 ETH = 291.5

In order to capitalize on this promotion, please send your ETH to the smart contract below:


0x2da89386f23C9Ac559f9711Ee244063961685B5A

Remember, Forty Seven, Connecting
Financial Worlds, worldwide!

Oh man, such a stupid fraud. Go home and let your diapers change you miserable loser.
Is there an admin here who can delete this post?
I am always angry with such fraud

My oh My I almost quoted to say it's a good initiative but then I remember FSBT did something similar in time past, scammers just bring their irritating attitude and criminality everywhere they find themselves, BCT is such a bad luck for them hahahahahahaha

People can't seriously fall for this scam above, if they do - they don't deserve to be in crypto hahaha!! No effort whatsoever

There are many people who dont do cross verification and fall for such trap. Last month only few investors sent money to scammers address instead of the actual ICO account.

Exactly, don't be surprised, some people may have fallen for that crap, many are just too eager to invest without proper verification and the scammer actually knows that he/she may succeed because Forty Seven Bank is a good project and people are fascinated to see opportunities come up from such project, hence the high probability of people getting scammed
2908  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] Polyswarm - The first decentralized threat intelligence market. on: March 16, 2018, 06:36:08 PM
Hi guys, after ico ends how long is it going to take before tokens get released on exchanges. I hope it doesn't take much time at all

A good project aught to have been planning towards listing by this stage of the ICO so that there won't have to be much waiting and dormancy in activities after the ICO. That way people can start trading their coin immediately after ico

Indeed, typically it takes a week or two so just give it some time and the announcements will be made
I know that some projects take longer than others to get listed after ICO, it all depends on negotiations and other factors that come to play. 2 weeks is a long time if you ask me though.

Well, 2 weeks is not that long, is best everything be put in place before take off to avoid issues, a project may take 2 weeks and listed in preferred sites like Binance or few days to get listed in a junk site which will affect the nature of the token in a bad way
2909  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 4NEW - The World's First tangible Waste to Energy Blockchain on: March 16, 2018, 06:32:05 PM
Hi guys, I would like to join this community. Is there a discord channel to which I can join?
Discord is more of a gaming community and if you actually want to join anything i would recommend their slack and telegram here is the link https://twitter.com/AIDOCMe/status/969906041252032512 also you can follow them on twitter for fast updates.



Discord has its community and there are active users in there too. I think it would be great for a fan community thing. In the crypto world i think the most dominant channel is telegram followed by slack.

I've seen a hell of alot more scam groups and pump and dump on Discord, I personally don't like the platform and much prefer telegram

I don't know for some reason using discord doesn't sit well with me, i have downloaded the app twice and have both times uninstall it, i can relate to the dump and pump groups in discord i see lots of links leading to a discord groups daily and most of them are scams.

Same here, i rather stick with the telegram group, is more convenient and you're sure that is real people you're chatting with, not bots, telegram is more preferable and no offence to projects that also use discord as a medium of communication but is best one sits with telegram, well, whatever rocks your boat
2910  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO]ContractNet - At the intersection of Blockchain, IOT & SMART CONTRACTS on: March 16, 2018, 06:28:19 PM
Guys i would like to get your option on a little argument i'm having with a friend; do you guys feel 100$ is high for the minimum purchase of ContractNew token i feel it's okay but my friend thinks it's on the high side. What do you guys think?

This is one of the smart contract based project, IOT and blockchain integration. Most of the smart contract based coins used to grow better in the marketplace. Hence you do not need to have the doubt that contractnet is  only worth for 100 USD alone.
You may take up investment how much ever you want buddy.
If you missed contractnet on the token sale. I am sure you will worry that you have lost the profit of the best project.

Yes, you do have a point and is a fact that the smart contract based tokens are really doing well, coupled with the fact that ContractNet will also be like a platform provider and we know what that means when such is applied in a project that has a vast area to cover 
2911  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🌍🌍[ANN][ICO HARDCAP REACHED]AIDOC - Ai Doctor on the Blockchain 🌍🌍 on: March 16, 2018, 06:17:07 PM
Who else had the feelings of missing out going through white paper Undecided... It hit my realization that indeed the blockchain is set to revolutionize the world of human needs and tech, take a look at Aidoc a BLOCKCHAIN based medical system constructed so balanced that its part joins end to end...

The bit digital person is a complete digitization of individual vital signs.
Life bank is a safe storage and public trading place for medical data in the AIDOC chain.
AIDOC integrates the intelligent diagnosis modules

This project is a class of its own.

Yes, a lot of people are embracing blockchain, is obviously the future and the next big thing, so projects are going for blockchain tech because of the flexibility and easy accessibility that is involved, AIDOC knows this and is about taking over the health niche

It will take time but the fact is decentralized smart chains are the future, AIDOC is a perfect usecase example of whats possible, and will only improve over time, i imagine in the next 5 years we will see a much more pronounced shift and the smartchains that launched earliest and the token platforms that utilized them for secure decentralized communications will be the evolved platforms at that point with stability and security

Yes, you're right on that, i like the fact that, i don't need someone somewhere to get rich from my health records, i'm in total control of it, the whitepaper really opened my eyes about some hidden facts in the health niche
2912  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: ✅✅✅[ANN] GIF [ANN]GIFcoin ICO - Gambling Investment Fund ✅✅✅ on: March 16, 2018, 04:24:42 PM
How do you identify token holders, since there will be token sharing for those who hold the tokens?

Probably via an automatic screenshot process, which i've noticed some projects do, so holders will surely have the benefits of holding, i checked their website and saw the ratings by some notable ICO rating sites, which is pretty impressive
2913  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO NOW!] 💠 FORTY SEVEN BANK 💠 – Connecting Financial Worlds on: March 16, 2018, 02:15:14 PM

Greetings community!

In accordance with our ROADMAP, we are 95% integrated with the SWIFT system and will be estimating completion by March 31st, 2018.

We are offering another contest during this ICO period!

 10 randomly chosen transactions made between 12.03.2018, 15:00 (GMT+0) and 19.03.2018, 15:00 (GMT+0) will receive X2 FSBT tokens!

Raffle process will be fully recorded on video and shared on YouTube.
It’s time to make a contribution!

In addition to this contest, we're also temporarily offering a 25% discount on ICO tokens purchased within the next 12 hours.

Therefore, 1 ETH = 291.5

In order to capitalize on this promotion, please send your ETH to the smart contract below:


0x2da89386f23C9Ac559f9711Ee244063961685B5A

Remember, Forty Seven, Connecting
Financial Worlds, worldwide!

Oh man, such a stupid fraud. Go home and let your diapers change you miserable loser.
Is there an admin here who can delete this post?
I am always angry with such fraud

Such a sad scene to see such poor attempts potentially still causing victims, we can just mark it as spam then BCT will handle it

I really hope nobody have lost any ETH with this scam. Horrible. In etherscan, there is no transaction in this wallet address. Thats really good that these guys got cheated in the end instead of them cheating others.

Seriously, that was really pathetic, i just tried to hold myself from spitting foul words on the scammer but i just need to be civil, is very bad for people to be doing this, instead of trying to spoil the name of Forty Seven Bank, he/she should have invested that time into something useful

They thought the team is not present to actually counter them lol. I hope no damage was caused by these fools. This is why it is important to always stay up to date with the project and identity the admins.

Yea, the community is also a vibrant one and was quickly spotted by a member, we just have to be vigilant, as no admin of a verified project will tell you to send ETH to another address, even if they do, is very necessary to verify and not jump into anything we see
2914  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: ✅✅✅[ANN] GIF [ANN]GIFcoin ICO - Gambling Investment Fund ✅✅✅ on: March 16, 2018, 02:11:04 PM
Your project GIFtcoin is an investment fund that invests money in the gambling industry. Tell me what profit your investors receive how many percent per month? Are there any risks for investors in your project?

There is hadly an investment that doesn't come with risk either small or big. What we should actually try to find out is what level of risk is involved and have there been measures put in place to tackle these risks?

Yes, there no easy money. or money without risk. But I can see at the site that GIFcoin already has a working product and 20 000+ active customers from 20+ countries. And 80% of net profit shared with the holders.

Yes, their statistics are pretty impressive and for the fact that they have an already pre-existing project, makes it even more awesome, some investors prefer a tested project than a new one, as they feel much better/safer than a new one
2915  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: ⚡⚡🚀[ANN][ICO] DEVELOPEO (DEVX) - 4TH INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION - OPEN SOURCE 🚀⚡⚡ on: March 16, 2018, 02:08:18 PM
I want to share some key points, it will be more easy for everyone to get a better grasp.

The presale starting at 19th of March between Developeo and Kickico is to empower the real owners of Blockchain; a chance to participate on a special presale, which is the most advantageous part of the ICO in terms of financial gains. Even before the Private Sale, PreICO and ICO.

Developeo DEVX University, DEVX Bootcamps and DEVX Certification programs will ensure that the best next-gen intensive education in the most up-to-date curriculum will reach to its students.

Developeo University will be a pioneer in the studies of Artificial Intelligence, Blockchain, Full Stack Programming, Deep Learning, VR/AR, Neural Networks, Data Science, Data Art, New-Age Architecture, Robotics, Smartwear and other related technologies to become available. These areas have been growing exponentially and will continue to do so, as their applications in real-life expand.

Some of the top Universities In the world, is currently showing a lot of interest to work within the scope of the Developeo University.
Bootcamps, University, Certification Programs, Marketplace, Advisory Services will be paid with either fiat or Developeo token. If paid with DEVX tokens, a 20% discount will be introduced automatically.

While the cost of a standard bootcamp is averaging $11,500 to $15,000  per student in the world currently, a whole bootcamp is projected to bring at least $1.3M in revenue to Developeo of which 20% will be distributed to the reward pool/instructors in DEVX tokens.

Also DEVX planning to create a their own blockchain next year (we are currently running on erc20), because we believe if we are going to utilize "smart contracts" as legal contracts of the future, it needs to be easy and managable by  everyone, students, parents, anyone.

DEVX plans to create a new smart contract system for admissions system and also will share this with the community so that it is accessible by everyone.
Also DEVX blockchain will be integrated with Future Banking systems. PSD2 Banking and API Banking will be the future of banking systems starting from 2018 and we plan to create One-Click-Student-Loans for our platforms; so students can get their Student Loans (either in Fiat or DEVX Tokens) with just one click and apply to our admissions in seconds, all handled within DEVX platform.

Developeo also rewards every user of its platform, with Developeo tokens, for any open source contribution to any valid project in github. (Currently 27,000,000 Github Users)

Reward pool starts with 60,000,000 tokens and increases every day with Developeo’s own revenue models; sharing each of the revenue’s 20% with the reward pool. Also, when the tokens’ value increases, the reward increases in alignment.

Developeo was the sponsor of LONDON BLOCKCHAIN WEEK, DUBAI INTERNATIONAL BLOCKCHAIN SUMMIT & DUBAI UNLOCK.



Woah this are alot of visionary development that will change the scope of the world. Lots of ideas are they going to be developed simultaneously  or one at a time?

First thing its really great to see that DEVELOPEO is very active here in social media. Explaining all the concept /key points and answering to all queries, which I dont see from other ICO projects.

Yes, i love seeing such and is one of the things that attracts me to projects, communication is needed, as it will create trust and the spirit of commitment will be felt by the community, driving the said project to its needed destination
2916  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 4NEW - The World's First tangible Waste to Energy Blockchain on: March 16, 2018, 02:04:13 PM
Guys.

This is scam!!!!!!!

Jesus, we need admin here. So many people got tricked.

This is the true telegram group of 4new!
https://t.me/FRNCoin
They are announcing on their telegram about this scammer!


I just made terrible mistake. I want to send my deepest aplogize to 4new admin  Sad.
It seems that this thread is legit and under 4new's operation.
So it was not fake after all Cheesy. I am very glad to hear that and it was not a scam after all. But what was your reason why u thought it was scam and not the real one?
I agree with this i am happy it is not fake but the second one you send in this is that one fake or not? why would there be 2 is the other in an other language?

I think is best links to anything concerning 4NEW be dropped by the admins of the project or best of all, be verified by the team of this project in order to avoid issues, confusion or for safe guiding the community from malicious links or scammers
2917  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] Polyswarm - The first decentralized threat intelligence market. on: March 16, 2018, 01:54:32 PM
So i have two questions which i haven't gotten a satisfying answer was hoping you guys can help out.
 What will be the main revenue sources for the Ppolyswarm?
Is there an estimate when it would start to be profitable?

I think the main revenue source for polyswarm should be in the use of the NCT token as the currency for the service and I really think profit will begin to roll in upon completion of ICO and execution of concept I doubt if there is a fixed period for profit rolling in

Yes, once the wants of the community becomes more, the need for NCT tokens will arise, which will happen as the market is sure to be viable and with time, it maybe costly to lay your hands on one and very valuable to holders
2918  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO NOW!] 💠 FORTY SEVEN BANK 💠 – Connecting Financial Worlds on: March 16, 2018, 01:47:00 PM

Greetings community!

In accordance with our ROADMAP, we are 95% integrated with the SWIFT system and will be estimating completion by March 31st, 2018.

We are offering another contest during this ICO period!

 10 randomly chosen transactions made between 12.03.2018, 15:00 (GMT+0) and 19.03.2018, 15:00 (GMT+0) will receive X2 FSBT tokens!

Raffle process will be fully recorded on video and shared on YouTube.
It’s time to make a contribution!

In addition to this contest, we're also temporarily offering a 25% discount on ICO tokens purchased within the next 12 hours.

Therefore, 1 ETH = 291.5

In order to capitalize on this promotion, please send your ETH to the smart contract below:


0x2da89386f23C9Ac559f9711Ee244063961685B5A

Remember, Forty Seven, Connecting
Financial Worlds, worldwide!

Oh man, such a stupid fraud. Go home and let your diapers change you miserable loser.
Is there an admin here who can delete this post?
I am always angry with such fraud

Such a sad scene to see such poor attempts potentially still causing victims, we can just mark it as spam then BCT will handle it

I really hope nobody have lost any ETH with this scam. Horrible. In etherscan, there is no transaction in this wallet address. Thats really good that these guys got cheated in the end instead of them cheating others.

Seriously, that was really pathetic, i just tried to hold myself from spitting foul words on the scammer but i just need to be civil, is very bad for people to be doing this, instead of trying to spoil the name of Forty Seven Bank, he/she should have invested that time into something useful
2919  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO]ContractNet - At the intersection of Blockchain, IOT & SMART CONTRACTS on: March 16, 2018, 01:34:45 PM
It seems the wallet that ContractNet is really focusing on is the desktop wallet and no plans for mobile wallet as this will create a robust interaction and supporting application for contractnet, users can use the wallet as a primary, secure wallet for making transactions on the ContractNet

With this in mind, it would be good to see a mobile wallet aswell as we all know how capable mobile devices are nowadays.

Is there any future plans for a mobile wallet?


I just checked and confirm, there is indeed a plan for mobile wallet in page 23 of white paper, its going  to be launched Q4 2018 and will be available in both google play store and IOS store

Beat me too it, i had sworn i read about a mobile wallet but then couldn't find it and at work i couldnt really page through the entire whitepaper lol, was gonna look when i got home again. It's good you were able to confirm it. Also good to see their targetting android and IOS. I hate when crypto projects only target android and leave my poor iphone out in the cold :S

Yes that's encouraging news that ContractNet are thinking about developing an iOS wallet as well as an Android wallet, a lot of projects only release an android wallet and it's frustrating for a Apple phone users.

Yea, just like i stated earlier about this and how ContractNet as a tech project will surely incorporate this, how it will create flexibility and accessibility, now this news is popping up, that means they are on top of the game
2920  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: ⚡⚡🚀[ANN][ICO] DEVELOPEO (DEVX) - 4TH INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION - OPEN SOURCE 🚀⚡⚡ on: March 16, 2018, 01:21:11 PM
As I go through the white paper my eyes began opening to the fact that there is a need for some more education in the developers space, and like early computer age saw the loss of jobs, it's also inevitable that it will certainly occur again in the nearest future as blockchain popularity and efficiency improves  Embarrassed

You're right, is inevitable, the world is going into another phase, technology is advancing, with new innovations coming out everyday, is of best interest to do the needful before is too late, developeo definitely has a hungry market to fulfill and as written on the whitepaper, those with DEVX token will get a discount, this will lead to a great increase in value   

Interesting how the most demanded fields in this era are the core of DEVX. I am curious about the top universities showing interest to incorporate in DEVX is the information available or private?

In the future, what will matter most are skills, not theories, so is of necessity for the top universities to incorporate this with time, is a revolution that's about to happen, no one knows how soon or fast this will happen but is best one gets prepared   
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