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2981  Economy / Goods / Re: new real tangible physical bitcoin coin on: August 04, 2011, 05:42:39 PM
Found an Air-Tite that fits.



More pics
2982  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Creating a real wallet for bitcoins on: August 04, 2011, 05:01:29 PM
Read this.

I describe a way to incrementally detach the wallet from the client.

Read the rest of that thread too.  It describes my notion of a hardware client, and as an added bonus, Gavin describes a service that would provide a lot of security for regular folks.  Actually, the thread was Gavin's, and all of my stuff was off-topic, but whatever.

Also, read this thread.

And while you are at it, read natman3400's posts, particularly on his project, BitClip.  We don't always agree on the details, but his project looks pretty good.
2983  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to profitably create Bitcoin forks without causing economic chaos on: August 04, 2011, 04:16:17 PM
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say peg!  I only meant that the central bank would guarantee the one-to-one exchange rate...

That's what a peg is.
2984  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin URL scheme: have any proposals been adapted? on: August 04, 2011, 03:03:54 PM
Good to know that there are at least two other projects actually using the thing.

That said, I'm going to just say this publicly.  The X notation is stupid.  First, there was already a widely known and used notation for powers of 10.  And second the base unit, 1E-8 BTC is an accident of history.  The foolishness of basing the notation on this value will become obvious just as soon as the first 128 bit client extensions show up.

The only good thing about it is that it lets people use E notation, and do it in a way that makes sense.  So, I propose the following:

Amounts that match this regex:

Code:
([0-9]|[0-9]+\.?[0-9]*|[0-9]?\.[0-9]+)E-?[0-9]+

should be interpreted using standard E notation, based around 1 BTC.  In E notation, xEy is shorthand for x * (10 ^ y).
2985  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to profitably create Bitcoin forks without causing economic chaos on: August 04, 2011, 01:11:56 PM
Pegs are only possible under very special circumstances, none of which will ever apply to bitcoin.  Ever.

Situation 1 is where you can create at least one of the two currencies in unbounded quantities.  Really, you need to be able to do both, but if you can do just one, you can keep the game rolling for a long time.

Situation 2 is where the two currencies are identical, which makes the peg (and the new currency) pointless.  By identical, I mean created at the same time and in the same amounts, and totally identical supply and demand.
2986  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin URL scheme: have any proposals been adapted? on: August 04, 2011, 01:04:56 PM
There is one argument in favor of using E notation for the amounts.  People embed (or want to be able to embed) these URIs into QR code labels, and then scan them with cheap readers, meaning cell phones with cheap cameras.  More bits means higher resolution, which makes them less suitable for one popular intended use.
Do those few bytes (up to 7) really matter? If you'd really want to squish out every last byte, you'd also want to give the parameters shorter names.

I don't know if they matter or not.  Like most things they are probably unimportant most of the time, but absolutely critical in a few cases.  Stripping the field names down to a for amount and l for label is probably a good idea in the same way.

Since you are working on the receiving end, you could always rig your client to accept short versions and long versions, plus absolute values and E notation.

By making a working implementation, and getting it out there in the wild, you are essentially defining the standard in a way that carries a lot more weight than just tossing some ideas on the wiki.
2987  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Zen Cart Bitcoin Gateway Problem - Please help on: August 04, 2011, 11:26:56 AM
Code:
rpcallow=127.0.0.1

If bitcoind is running on the same box as the cart.  Even better, I think you can just have no rpcallow= line unless you have a damn good reason to accept remote connections.
2988  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin URL scheme: have any proposals been adapted? on: August 04, 2011, 11:18:27 AM
There is one argument in favor of using E notation for the amounts.  People embed (or want to be able to embed) these URIs into QR code labels, and then scan them with cheap readers, meaning cell phones with cheap cameras.  More bits means higher resolution, which makes them less suitable for one popular intended use.
2989  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin URL scheme: have any proposals been adapted? on: August 04, 2011, 05:36:51 AM
Thanks! The beginning of that page sounds sensible.

Except for the last part, why all the crazy stuff with exponents at all? Why not simply a BTC amount in pre-defined fashion "1.23" for "1.23 bitcoins". One way to represent one thing.

What does it matter what unit it is represented in in a URL? And why amountdecimal, amounthex...  eek

Although URIs are not intended to be human-readable, in practice, we do it all the time.  For all the computers care, we could represent the amount as the product of a string of complex numbers (as long as the final multiplicand conjugates the rest of the sequence).  So, because the computers don't care, we should make it as human friendly as possible.  10E-9 is far more readable than 0.00000001.  SI prefix abbreviations should be pretty readable too, so in the previous example 10n.
2990  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Growing Mh/s discrepancy on deepbit, showing about 1Gh/s less than actual? on: August 04, 2011, 05:07:15 AM
The hash rate reported by your client is the only place that the actual hash rate is measured.  Pools don't know and don't care about that, they care how many candidate blocks you return.  In the (very) long run, the measured hash rate and the rate estimated by the pool based on your shares should be fairly close, but that isn't a constraint on any particular interval of time.  The difference is commonly known as "luck" in the community.

If you suspect a problem with a pool, what you need to do is remove your personal luck from consideration.  Stop a few miners, clear the stats for those workers on the pool, then start the miners again.  If the shares reported by your client don't match the shared reported by the pool, then there is a problem with the pool.
2991  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin URL scheme: have any proposals been adapted? on: August 04, 2011, 04:46:58 AM
There is a wiki page, but I've never seen it used.  Haven't exactly been looking, but still.

It seems pretty straightforward, at least for address, amount and label, so I think you should be pretty safe implementing it if you want.  If nothing else, someone has to go first.  But if you do, please, please, please use E for the exponent instead of X.
2992  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Creating a real wallet for bitcoins on: August 04, 2011, 04:34:06 AM
There are people working on these devices, and hundreds of threads on the subject.  Anyone interested in the idea should search, because this thread is almost word for word identical to many of them.
2993  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: A new design suggestion: Pegged exchange rate of BTC on: August 04, 2011, 02:34:18 AM
See this chart.

Chart taken from this article.  I don't agree with the conclusions necessarily, but it gives a good discussion of the exchange mechanism and demonstrates how sterilization works in the real world.

Can you spot the one critical feature in the chart that explains how PBC is able to hold a peg?  Do you understand how the lack of that feature will make it impossible for you (or anyone else) to maintain a peg?
2994  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ONLINE WALLETS, theft may be a good thing on: August 04, 2011, 02:18:46 AM
I have to say that I agree that people should be more careful with their bitcoins, but let's not lose sight of who the victims are here. Theft is theft, and fraudulent businesses like MyBitcoin.com only harm the long-term prospects of bitcoin as a viable alternative currency. It's time that people wake up and start filing lawsuits.

you cant sue for bitcoins, you can only sue for pixel money or federal reserve notes. and the court will not easily settle on an exchange rate and will probably look down on it as it is a virtual good and not a "tangible" good like federal reserve notes.

I love ignorant forum lawyers.

The courts have been dealing with intangibles for hundreds of years.
2995  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is mining still profitable? on: August 03, 2011, 12:38:46 PM
If you already have the hardware, then yes, it is profitable.  But unless you get an insane deal, right now a card will probably not pay for itself over time, even ignoring other costs.

The model that I've been considering is reinvesting the output from my cards back into new cards to sustain/grow income.  That model does not currently work, production gradually tapers off towards zero.  It takes nearly 1% daily growth in the exchange rate to grow income, and we are going in the wrong direction.
2996  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: DO NOT SELL TO BOTS OR BUY FROM BOTS on: August 03, 2011, 12:10:12 PM
no offence but i think that you got it backwards...
if i have $10.
and i place a bid at $10 for 1btc, i get 1 btc
now if i want to have more btc i would lower my price to $9 and get 1.11 btc, of cource than my order would not be filled.
I can't follow what you're saying. If you lower your price, you will buy fewer BTC. If you want to buy more, you have to raise your price. The higher your price, the more sellers you can buy from and therefore the more bitcoins you can buy. If you buy all you can at $10 and wish to buy more, you have to offer more than $10. (Or wait for the market to change on its own.)

Right Now. as soon as you buy, the price will drop.
when a person buys, it's a bot selling.
if that happens, the bot has to make the price lower,
so it can buy more.

The bot is selling to you, and then using some sort of magic to drive the price lower so that it can buy more to sell to the next guy.  It is essentially a short, but without borrowing.
2997  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open questions to Jered and Alan of Tradehill on: August 03, 2011, 12:03:27 PM
If it doesn't have your routing and account numbers on it, it isn't a check.
You mean if it doesn't have someone's routing and account numbers on it, it's not a check. My checks don't have his routing or account numbers on them, and they are checks. If the bank is issuing the check, then it won't have his info on it.

If the bank is sending checks drawn on the bank's own account, then you are right, those checks will not bear his account number.  Those checks will also be paid for up front, rather than at clearing.  Oh, and I've never seen a bank offer a service even remotely like that as a mainstream normal activity, while every bank in the country is completely willing to print and mail checks bearing the customer's account numbers, either for free, or for a nominal fee.
2998  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open questions to Jered and Alan of Tradehill on: August 03, 2011, 11:50:43 AM
About checks: They're coming directly from the bank, I'll confirm if the account / routing are on it but I don't believe so. Valid point though.

If it doesn't have your routing and account numbers on it, it isn't a check.
2999  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [UABCI] September 27, 2011 U.S. Department of the Treasury to regulate BitCoin on: August 03, 2011, 11:44:36 AM
I'm pretty sure that even a lawyer bad enough to get stuck working as a judge can see that bitcoin is very clearly neither a way to store USD, nor a way to prepay for anything.
3000  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: DO NOT SELL TO BOTS OR BUY FROM BOTS on: August 03, 2011, 03:55:17 AM
So, uh, how exactly does the bot "make the price lower"?  Can you think of any way to do it that doesn't involve reducing their asking price?

If you've made it this far, can you think of a strategy to counteract this type of bot?

Oh, and feel free to add me to your list.  My bot doesn't act at all like your paranoid hallucination, but it is a bot.
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