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Macno, no-one is picking a fight. I am stating a fact... "children" resort to using momma jokes when they get frustrated. I have yet to meet a adult that does that.
Secondly, IMO in a world where decentralisation and cryptography secure technology exists there is no room for DRK MNs
Thirdly, Instamine; In your opinion but not mine and many others in the know.
Lastly, to answer the question in hand ... the accusation was that a cryptographically secured anonymous transactions are flawed (this argument is a lame attempt from the DRK camp since its the only weakness they can think of) ... I showed that if a crypto algo such as ECDSA was compromised it would cause more damage to DarkSend and DRK than it would to for example Shadow (you still have ring sigs and stealth address to work your way through).
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I buy Darkcoins from a party that is KYC compliant, and transfer them to my wallet address A. Now the address A can be linked to me.
Next I put them through the Darksend mixing process, and now instead of having coins in address A, I have coins in addresses B1, ..., B10 for example. Then I proceed to spend the money in address B5 by sending it to your momma for her sexual services.
Later when you find out she's been doing business you get angry and try to find out who's been paying her. You import private key of the address B5, and then what?
The part with his momma was completely unecessary. I am a DRK/Dash-investor and I enjoy this thread and the discussion, please stay on topic. It is okay, children do that since they know I am showing clear flaws in its design. He is frustrated he is bag holding a technology that has little future outside of the pumps organized by the mass instamine and early adopters.. |
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Firstly, if the cryptography is compromised the least of my worries is remaining anonymous; you would have alot of other things to worry about.
Secondly, there is something called "stealth address" oh and of-course if that cryptography is broken well then sir you have more more to worry about than remaining anonymous.
Thirdly, see 1 and 2 and oh yeah why not send a note to Satoshi about it whilst you was as it about how dumb his idea was of creating a crypto currency.
That is a very common fallacy. Or maybe you just have nothing to hide? When the cryptography securing on chain anonymity is broken, everything in there will be revealed. New algorithms will be implemented to secure everything else from future attacks like your coins so they can't be stolen, but what has been put into the chain will be there and can't be made anymore secure. You are missing the point again ... when you cannot find any weaknesses is the design of both CN/Shadow you have to resort to breaking the one thing which fundamentally makes crypto currencies secure. But if you want to play this game lets play. For arguments sake lets say ECDSA is broken ... so now for every address that has ever made a transaction we can derive the private key. So as a average crypto user; I could simple import this private key into my wallet and reindex. Voila! I now have every transaction that address every made. Good luck with your dual network or whatever you call it as simple chain analysis will reveal all! Now try doing that with a solution that uses ring sigs and stealth address. You have to break a single algo to deanonymize DRK and yet would have to break multiple to have the same effect on CN/Shadow. ^ see how your logic is flawed! just like the masternode design. Darksend does not reuse addresses. And that is all you can say? whether it uses or not is irrelevant ... I can de-anonymize 100% of the network for all completed transactions. Every time you make a new transaction because I know the previous history I can also accurate analyze it. That was based on your/drk logic. Regardless I like the way you answered the one part that suited you. The point is " You have to break a single algo to deanonymize DRK and yet would have to break multiple to have the same effect on CN/Shadow" and that is ignoring the design flaws such as 92% of your MN reside at 9 different ASNs etc etc etc I look forward to the day a cryptographer has anything good to say about the DRKs MN design ... IMO never will happen! |
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Firstly, if the cryptography is compromised the least of my worries is remaining anonymous; you would have alot of other things to worry about.
Secondly, there is something called "stealth address" oh and of-course if that cryptography is broken well then sir you have more more to worry about than remaining anonymous.
Thirdly, see 1 and 2 and oh yeah why not send a note to Satoshi about it whilst you was as it about how dumb his idea was of creating a crypto currency.
That is a very common fallacy. Or maybe you just have nothing to hide? When the cryptography securing on chain anonymity is broken, everything in there will be revealed. New algorithms will be implemented to secure everything else from future attacks like your coins so they can't be stolen, but what has been put into the chain will be there and can't be made anymore secure. You are missing the point again ... when you cannot find any weaknesses is the design of both CN/Shadow you have to resort to breaking the one thing which fundamentally makes crypto currencies secure. But if you want to play this game lets play. For arguments sake lets say ECDSA is broken ... so now for every address that has ever made a transaction we can derive the private key. So as a average crypto user; I could simple import this private key into my wallet and reindex. Voila! I now have every transaction that address every made. Good luck with your dual network or whatever you call it as simple chain analysis will reveal all! Now try doing that with a solution that uses ring sigs and stealth address. You have to break a single algo to deanonymize DRK and yet would have to break multiple to have the same effect on CN/Shadow. ^ see how your logic is flawed! just like the masternode design. |
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You DRK folks have nothing to say against arguments because you have 0 objectivity, you're just blind fanboys who fell in love with an overated coin... Every coin mentionned in this thread is in fact better than Dash tbh
I'll give you that Cryptonote is an interesting technology and - at least as far as cryptography goes - can be more secure than a single round in a mixer. But I don't think it's very well suited to supporting anonymity or fungibility in cryptocurrencies. The problem is that while it might be very secure in terms of 'hiding' a transaction, cryptonote puts all its eggs in one basket - a totally centralised solution. Break the cryptonote algo and you've rendered the entire money supply useless with subsequent collapse of the whole financial system based around that currency. <snip> I read the first two paragraphs and got bored? Really where going down the route of "you are using cryptography to secure anonymous transactions and this is bad?" this is a ridiculous argument. Why not go one further and start telling this to those who want to see Crypto fail, lets give them a heads-up that Satoshi was mad using cryptography to secure Bitcoin. Firstly, if the cryptography is compromised the least of my worries is remaining anonymous; you would have alot of other things to worry about. Secondly, there is something called "stealth address" oh and of-course if that cryptography is broken well then sir you have more more to worry about than remaining anonymous. Thirdly, see 1 and 2 and oh yeah why not send a note to Satoshi about it whilst you are at it about how dumb his idea was of creating a cryptography secured digital currency. |
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This is an important question:  Oh please don't give it away ... It is fun watching ... It's fun to see how everyone's mining could be worth nothing... And this dev team is going to develop decentralised solutions? Funny! |
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xrn, did you even bother to read the COPYRIGHT within the Shadow project; It is very clear and it is obvious the developers of this project have disregarded it! EDIT : I see you removed your post ... think/read before posting! EDIT : no clearly you didnt read it ... let me make it easy for you Copyright (c) 2014 ShadowCoin Developers
Copyright (c) 2014 BlackCoin Developers
Copyright (c) 2013-2014 NovaCoin Developers
Copyright (c) 2011-2012 PPCoin Developers
Copyright (c) 2009-2014 Bitcoin Developers
Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy
of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal
in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights
to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell
copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is
furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:
The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in
all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
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People run their masternodes on cheap VMs right now because it's cheap. Because DRK DASH is still very cheap, the rewards for running a node is small - around $30/month or so. If/when DRK DASH grows enough that authorities who can request private data from cloud operators actually get interested enough to do so, the rewards for running a masternode are likely to be more than $1000/month. And when you get $1000/month for running a node, you're not going to run it in Amazon. Obviously someone might, but that's ok - anonymization by masternodes is designed to resists huge sybil attacks.
So you are saying you are willing to risk all on the basis one day 90%+ of masternodes do not operate at a handful of providers? and for all you know currently the so called "anon" transactions are already being de-anonymized? That's not at all what I'm saying. When I think DASH is big enough that NSA might try to take over all of the nodes, and I'm doing something I don't want NSA to know, I'll run my own masternode on raspberry pi 3 and use that as one of the mixing nodes. But then again, I might fail anyway as they have my computer backdoored already. Buddy you cannot run a cryto currency saying it is anonymous and then add the tag line "only once it has enough value and we move our 92%+ masternodes off cloud providers?" ... (also all the data you leave on the cloud providers will help then deanonymize previous transactions etc) ... I am sorry but that just does not cut it! If I want to use a privacy centric currency I want reassurance it is "anonymous" today... |
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People run their masternodes on cheap VMs right now because it's cheap. Because DRK DASH is still very cheap, the rewards for running a node is small - around $30/month or so. If/when DRK DASH grows enough that authorities who can request private data from cloud operators actually get interested enough to do so, the rewards for running a masternode are likely to be more than $1000/month. And when you get $1000/month for running a node, you're not going to run it in Amazon. Obviously someone might, but that's ok - anonymization by masternodes is designed to resists huge sybil attacks.
So you are saying you are willing to risk all on the basis one day 90%+ of masternodes do not operate at a handful of providers? and for all you know currently the so called "anon" transactions are already being de-anonymized? |
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Whatever the specific comparisons on the effectiveness of cryptography vs mixing, they are largely irrelevant because darkcoin's massive redundancy and iterative approach blows away any deficiency. It's also a more holistic approach which addresses monetary priorities rather than security ones.
For a prospective monetary medium, thats the right way around in my opinion.
I would have to disagree for a number of reasons. Firstly, most MasterNodes(DRK) are currently hosted on VMs and that in itself is your biggest design down-fall. MN need to be "running" to provide a service and that requires a reliable and cheap place to host (so where does everyone flock to? yeah you got it Amazon, Vultr, DO etc). Where as cryptography based solution does not require this. Secondly, as our good friend at ZeroCash said "methods of analysis only get stronger" - a cryptography based solution is the only way forward IMO. As someone who has spent the best part of the last 11 years in the cloud R&D arena I know how easy it is for the Big Brother to request and gain access to data from cloud providers without the end user ever knowing .. and this my friend is where MasterNodes has a major design flaw. For all you know a very large % (very very large) is already de-anonymised. There are far too many people in this space who spout out tech knowledge without understanding it; very dangerous!! Lastly, I have yet to see a solution to the "anonymity" war which is better than a cryptography based one. flaws in your assesment, MN is nothing special, it's just a wallet with extra settings enabled, there is no requirement for VPS, it's just a choice. DRK is global, there are tons of places in the world where you can host a MN and noone will bother you. You clearly don't understand the function of MN that is why you would say For all you know a very large % (very very large) is already de-anonymised. Every Wallet is a potential masternode, there is no de anonymizing the whole network. No sir, there is no flaws in my assessment. Only flaws here are peoples ability to understand the technology. Let me make it easy for you to digest. 67% of MasterNodes reside at 5 different ASNs 92% of MasterNodes reside at 9 different ASNs ...so to de-anonymize 92% of the MN network (on a basic TX basis) all I need to-do is "work closely" with 9 different hosting providers... get a copy of the TXs and then run chain analysis software on it to de-anonymize the lot! And you as a MN operator would be none the wiser (yes because 90% of MN operators don't have a clue about the tech) There are far too many people in this space who spout out tech knowledge without understanding it; very dangerous!! You fall in that category. :facepalm: I do agree that Cryptographic solutions are better and are something to strive for, but there are many ways to skin a cat.
The only sensible comment you have made... you are making progress. |
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Whatever the specific comparisons on the effectiveness of cryptography vs mixing, they are largely irrelevant because darkcoin's massive redundancy and iterative approach blows away any deficiency. It's also a more holistic approach which addresses monetary priorities rather than security ones.
For a prospective monetary medium, thats the right way around in my opinion.
I would have to disagree for a number of reasons. Firstly, most MasterNodes(DRK) are currently hosted on VMs and that in itself is your biggest design down-fall. MN need to be "running" to provide a service and that requires a reliable and cheap place to host (so where does everyone flock to? yeah you got it Amazon, Vultr, DO etc). Where as cryptography based solution does not require this. Secondly, as our good friend at ZeroCash said "methods of analysis only get stronger" - a cryptography based solution is the only way forward IMO. As someone who has spent the best part of the last 11 years in the cloud R&D arena I know how easy it is for the Big Brother to request and gain access to data from cloud providers without the end user ever knowing .. and this my friend is where MasterNodes has a major design flaw. For all you know a very large % (very very large) is already de-anonymised. There are far too many people in this space who spout out tech knowledge without understanding it; very dangerous!! Lastly, I have yet to see a solution to the "anonymity" war which is better than a cryptography based one. |
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So the amount of SDT created increases faster than SDC are destroyed?
How does that work dasource?
In short: SDT Created = total of all and any SDT created. (at some point this will exceed SDC Supply and the higher this number the more "anonymity" available; this comes back to the what is the difference between 16 and 300 ring sigs) SDC Destroyed = the active number of SDC destroyed at time of snapshot ... What does that mean? It basically means at the time of the snapshot 425,000 SDC has been removed from the SDC Supply. In theory that means the Coin Supply is 6,466,166 - 450,000 = ~6,016,000. Why have you not updated the coin supply to reflect this? Quite simple, it would show drastic changes if/when large sums of SDT was created or SDC destroyed. The Coin Supply reflects the maximum available SDC. |
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Seriously ? Not at all. Shadow is a bigger project than Dark, it wouldn't fit in a tiny name like that  "Buy, Sell, Trade, Chat - Leave nothing but a shadow" - The Shadow Project |
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Do we have a working block explorer with new codebase?
dasource can make one like what we have for MMXIV, BALLS, and 10k - I think he charges like .6 BTC, but it comes with a rich list, and you can do a paper wallet and shit too. I can also iframe it into ecash.gorillastake.com or something so it's an easy url to remember I'll link this thread to him, but since it's not my coin, you guys can figure out a deal with him  Thanks, appreciate the kind words ... Community is welcome to contact me should they want me to set this up. |
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I have another wallet issue. I set my wallet to load with windows startup. It now goes blank every time it loads on windows startup. Says I have a 0.00 balance. No address. No transactions. I have to kill it and restart it. This on top of the other issues I posted a few days ago. Does this update fix that too?
Have you upgraded to latest? Currently 1.3.0.9 |
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Unless you fix the git so more people can build and offer services, this coin is going nowhere.
Can you explain the issue? I have compiled with no problem this morning. |
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I have windows ShadowCoin version v1.3.0.6. Sometimes, when I create a new address it locks the wallet up. I have to kill the wallet and reopen it. The address is not saved to the wallet. If I'm lucky enough to get the address saved, the addresses disappear and I have to restart the wallet. The wallet seems to freeze a lot as well. I have no issues running any other wallet. Are you guys aware of this? Update soon? Need to removed the Santa hat from the icon as well.
The above issues AFAIK have all been fixed in the pending release ... this should be ready as soon as some other kinks/improvements are ready. Thanks. |
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Has anyone managed to build from source recently?
Yes it works fine here ... any issues? |
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.Looks like catastrophe coming .Stake is also fxxk up .Maybe dev.already got ticket to Argentina or somewhere else 
