[DASH/XDN/XMR/SDC] Comparison between the most known anonymous coins (MUST READ)

[nsimmons]

So...with DRK and XMR which one is Betamax and which one is VHS?

Beta was supposed to be the superior technology, right(XMR?)? But VHS had the network effect and user base(DRK?)?

I don't know regarding crypto, but beta is superior to vhs. I had some family go vhs, some beta. I remember rental stores having an equal volume for both. Beta was used professionally for years after vhs took over the home market.

Tech doesn't matter, perception matters. We still use internal combustion engines. Almost 200 year old tech.

[adhitthana]

With a marketcap of 330K USD Shadowcash seems out of place. It doesn't from that perspective appear to put it in the same league as the other two.

This is more about the tech and going by that Shadow more than deserves to be included in this list.

Have there been any independent evaluations of SDC's tech compared to other altcoins?

[SockPuppetAccount]

With a marketcap of 330K USD Shadowcash seems out of place. It doesn't from that perspective appear to put it in the same league as the other two.

This is more about the tech and going by that Shadow more than deserves to be included in this list.

Have there been any independent evaluations of SDC's tech compared to other altcoins?

I would be extremely interested in seeing independent evaluations of SDC by prominent members of the community.

To my untrained eyes, SDC seems like a very impressive project.  Evan from DRK even proposed a merger of the teams at one point so he had to be impressed by the SDC development team.

So it's really puzzling why SDC continues to remain such a huge underdog compared to DRK and XMR.

[illodin]

I would be extremely interested in seeing independent evaluations of SDC by prominent members of the community.

They should ask Dan Metcalf, he can review any coin in a day or two max.

[Este Nuno]

I would be extremely interested in seeing independent evaluations of SDC by prominent members of the community.

They should ask Dan Metcalf, he can review any coin in a day or two max.

nice one

So it's really puzzling why SDC continues to remain such a huge underdog compared to DRK and XMR.

I'd guess that the community is the reason. It signals itself in similar ways to pump and dump scamcoins. Especially from the very beginning by getting so involved comparing itself to Bob Surplus' pump and dump Stealthcoin. SDC has never really been presented as a legitimate project like say XMR is, despite the fact that it's apparently turned out to be one with some new tech implementations and such.

[stonehedge]

I would be extremely interested in seeing independent evaluations of SDC by prominent members of the community.

They should ask Dan Metcalf, he can review any coin in a day or two max.

nice one

So it's really puzzling why SDC continues to remain such a huge underdog compared to DRK and XMR.

I'd guess that the community is the reason. It signals itself in similar ways to pump and dump scamcoins. Especially from the very beginning by getting so involved comparing itself to Bob Surplus' pump and dump Stealthcoin. SDC has never really been presented as a legitimate project like say XMR is, despite the fact that it's apparently turned out to be one with some new tech implementations and such.

That and an above average number of SDC trolls and shills giving it a bad rep.

[SockPuppetAccount]

I would be extremely interested in seeing independent evaluations of SDC by prominent members of the community.

They should ask Dan Metcalf, he can review any coin in a day or two max.

Only for Prometheus and always right at the peak of the pump.  Definitely a coincidence and surely no collusion occurred.

So it's really puzzling why SDC continues to remain such a huge underdog compared to DRK and XMR.

I'd guess that the community is the reason. It signals itself in similar ways to pump and dump scamcoins. Especially from the very beginning by getting so involved comparing itself to Bob Surplus' pump and dump Stealthcoin. SDC has never really been presented as a legitimate project like say XMR is, despite the fact that it's apparently turned out to be one with some new tech implementations and such.

That does make sense.  Now that I look back on it, I think I ignored it from the start because that's exactly what I assumed it would be.  Back then there was a new POS coin promising revolutionary anonymous tech every day, it was easy to ignore.

Development continues to chug along and it looks more impressive and legitimate every time I look at it so I have made a modest investment.  Considering it's marketcap is peanuts compared to XMR and DRK, it has plenty of room for growth if public perception shifts and it begins to be viewed as a more serious project.

[00Smurf]

I would be extremely interested in seeing independent evaluations of SDC by prominent members of the community.

They should ask Dan Metcalf, he can review any coin in a day or two max.

Thats only because hes reviewing his own code. lol

[razen489]

Good one. Thanks for compiling!

[ffmad]

I would be extremely interested in seeing independent evaluations of SDC by prominent members of the community.

They should ask Dan Metcalf, he can review any coin in a day or two max.

nice one

So it's really puzzling why SDC continues to remain such a huge underdog compared to DRK and XMR.

I'd guess that the community is the reason. It signals itself in similar ways to pump and dump scamcoins. Especially from the very beginning by getting so involved comparing itself to Bob Surplus' pump and dump Stealthcoin. SDC has never really been presented as a legitimate project like say XMR is, despite the fact that it's apparently turned out to be one with some new tech implementations and such.

It might really be the problem here.

In fact we didn't compare to Bobsurplus scams, it's BobSurplus who keep attacking SDC, from LibrexCoin to XST, and even BlockNet https://twitter.com/EMC2Whale/status/517517379656749056

Some of the Shadow fan/members replied to this attacks, and Longandshort even attacked them, showing where this coins were a joke.

So until december 2014 we were under constant attack by BobSurplus puppet accounts, pump group members and XST fans.

As a result, our communication was a mess for a very long time. And a lot of people didn't take the project seriously  

[Dofus]

I would be extremely interested in seeing independent evaluations of SDC by prominent members of the community.

They should ask Dan Metcalf, he can review any coin in a day or two max.

nice one

So it's really puzzling why SDC continues to remain such a huge underdog compared to DRK and XMR.

I'd guess that the community is the reason. It signals itself in similar ways to pump and dump scamcoins. Especially from the very beginning by getting so involved comparing itself to Bob Surplus' pump and dump Stealthcoin. SDC has never really been presented as a legitimate project like say XMR is, despite the fact that it's apparently turned out to be one with some new tech implementations and such.

It might really be the problem here.

In fact we didn't compare to Bobsurplus scams, it's BobSurplus who keep attacking SDC, from LibrexCoin to XST, and even BlockNet https://twitter.com/EMC2Whale/status/517517379656749056

Some of the Shadow fan/members replied to this attacks, and Longandshort even attacked them, showing where this coins were a joke.

So until december 2014 we were under constant attack by BobSurplus puppet accounts, pump group members and XST fans.

As a result, our communication was a mess for a very long time. And a lot of people didn't take the project seriously  

Now the project is starting to win awarness from the altcoin community, this is great. The problem is always about the FUD, false accusations and everything from guys trying to throw one of the best anon project.

[misterycoins]

The anonymization is handled by those "configured wallets", it's still not end to end.

Optimising monetary fungibility is a very different technical objective from implementing "end to end" anonymity.

If we look back at historical monetary media, like gold, there was no "end to end" anonymity in the sense that people wre trying to hide their transactions. But there was full fungibility (at least optionally) due to gold's low melting point.

A minted coin could be recognised from one transaction to the next but then if a pile of them were melted down and turned into bars instead, the coins were no longer recognisable.

So "hiding the transaction" is a distinct priority from "showing the transaction" but optimising monetary fungibility. In that sense, cryptonote tech is persuing the former and darkcoin tech is persuing the latter by supporting pre-emptive mixing - or 'melting' while the coins are in the wallet. In darkcoin, the coin supply is being continually anonymised because it gets done in your wallet, the previous wallet, the one before that and the one before that. There is less emphasis on any 1 transaction and more emphasis on keeping the coin supply as a whole anonymous and fungible.

Whatever the specific comparisons on the effectiveness of cryptography vs mixing, they are largely irrelevant because darkcoin's massive redundancy and iterative approach blows away any deficiency. It's also a more holistic approach which addresses monetary priorities rather than security ones.

For a prospective monetary medium, thats the right way around in my opinion.

Very good points indeed.

[WealthyBastard]

I'd like more DRK/XMR/SDC soldiers debate here about there projects, it could be interesting I think.
Just be friendly folks

[dasource]

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Whatever the specific comparisons on the effectiveness of cryptography vs mixing, they are largely irrelevant because darkcoin's massive redundancy and iterative approach blows away any deficiency. It's also a more holistic approach which addresses monetary priorities rather than security ones.

For a prospective monetary medium, thats the right way around in my opinion.

I would have to disagree for a number of reasons.

Firstly, most MasterNodes(DRK) are currently hosted on VMs and that in itself is your biggest design down-fall. MN need to be "running" to provide a service and that requires a reliable and cheap place to host (so where does everyone flock to? yeah you got it Amazon, Vultr, DO etc). Where as cryptography based solution does not require this.

Secondly, as our good friend at ZeroCash said "methods of analysis only get stronger" - a cryptography based solution is the only way forward IMO.

As someone who has spent the best part of the last 11 years in the cloud R&D arena I know how easy it is for the Big Brother to request and gain access to data from cloud providers without the end user ever knowing .. and this my friend is where MasterNodes has a major design flaw. For all you know a very large % (very very large) is already de-anonymised.

There are far too many people in this space who spout out tech knowledge without understanding it; very dangerous!!
Lastly, I have yet to see a solution to the "anonymity" war which is better than a cryptography based one.

[bitcreditscc]

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Whatever the specific comparisons on the effectiveness of cryptography vs mixing, they are largely irrelevant because darkcoin's massive redundancy and iterative approach blows away any deficiency. It's also a more holistic approach which addresses monetary priorities rather than security ones.

For a prospective monetary medium, thats the right way around in my opinion.

I would have to disagree for a number of reasons.

Firstly, most MasterNodes(DRK) are currently hosted on VMs and that in itself is your biggest design down-fall. MN need to be "running" to provide a service and that requires a reliable and cheap place to host (so where does everyone flock to? yeah you got it Amazon, Vultr, DO etc). Where as cryptography based solution does not require this.

Secondly, as our good friend at ZeroCash said "methods of analysis only get stronger" - a cryptography based solution is the only way forward IMO.

As someone who has spent the best part of the last 11 years in the cloud R&D arena I know how easy it is for the Big Brother to request and gain access to data from cloud providers without the end user ever knowing .. and this my friend is where MasterNodes has a major design flaw. For all you know a very large % (very very large) is already de-anonymised.

There are far too many people in this space who spout out tech knowledge without understanding it; very dangerous!!
Lastly, I have yet to see a solution to the "anonymity" war which is better than a cryptography based one.

flaws in your assesment,

MN is nothing special, it's just a wallet with extra settings enabled, there is no requirement for VPS, it's just a choice.

DRK is global, there are tons of places in the world where you can host a MN and noone will bother you.

You clearly don't understand the function of MN that is why you would say

For all you know a very large % (very very large) is already de-anonymised.

Every Wallet is a potential masternode, there is no de anonymizing the whole network.

There are far too many people in this space who spout out tech knowledge without understanding it; very dangerous!!

You fall in that category.

I do agree that Cryptographic solutions are better and are something to strive for, but there are many ways to skin a cat.

[rustynailer]

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Whatever the specific comparisons on the effectiveness of cryptography vs mixing, they are largely irrelevant because darkcoin's massive redundancy and iterative approach blows away any deficiency. It's also a more holistic approach which addresses monetary priorities rather than security ones.

For a prospective monetary medium, thats the right way around in my opinion.

I would have to disagree for a number of reasons.

Firstly, most MasterNodes(DRK) are currently hosted on VMs and that in itself is your biggest design down-fall. MN need to be "running" to provide a service and that requires a reliable and cheap place to host (so where does everyone flock to? yeah you got it Amazon, Vultr, DO etc). Where as cryptography based solution does not require this.

Secondly, as our good friend at ZeroCash said "methods of analysis only get stronger" - a cryptography based solution is the only way forward IMO.

As someone who has spent the best part of the last 11 years in the cloud R&D arena I know how easy it is for the Big Brother to request and gain access to data from cloud providers without the end user ever knowing .. and this my friend is where MasterNodes has a major design flaw. For all you know a very large % (very very large) is already de-anonymised.

There are far too many people in this space who spout out tech knowledge without understanding it; very dangerous!!
Lastly, I have yet to see a solution to the "anonymity" war which is better than a cryptography based one.

I think this is the very reason for Dark/Dash pulling out of the anon race.

[illodin]

I'd like more DRK/XMR/SDC soldiers debate here about there projects, it could be interesting I think.

Firstly, most MasterNodes(DRK) are currently hosted on VMs and that in itself is your biggest design down-fall. MN need to be "running" to provide a service and that requires a reliable and cheap place to host (so where does everyone flock to? yeah you got it Amazon, Vultr, DO etc). Where as cryptography based solution does not require this.

As someone who has spent the best part of the last 11 years in the cloud R&D arena I know how easy it is for the Big Brother to request and gain access to data from cloud providers without the end user ever knowing .. and this my friend is where MasterNodes has a major design flaw. For all you know a very large % (very very large) is already de-anonymised.

I think this is the very reason for Dark/Dash pulling out of the anon race.

When your thread doesn't get any attention on its own merit despite taking turns pumping it up, what's left is to attack and start trolling other projects directly and hope your provocation works and they finally stop ignoring you. I guess you succeeded and I fell for it, so what the heck:

People run their masternodes on cheap VMs right now because it's cheap. Because DRK DASH is still very cheap, the rewards for running a node is small - around $30/month or so. If/when DRK DASH grows enough that authorities who can request private data from cloud operators actually get interested enough to do so, the rewards for running a masternode are likely to be more than $1000/month. And when you get $1000/month for running a node, you're not going to run it in Amazon. Obviously someone might, but that's ok - anonymization by masternodes is designed to resists huge sybil attacks.

[rustynailer]

I'd like more DRK/XMR/SDC soldiers debate here about there projects, it could be interesting I think.

Firstly, most MasterNodes(DRK) are currently hosted on VMs and that in itself is your biggest design down-fall. MN need to be "running" to provide a service and that requires a reliable and cheap place to host (so where does everyone flock to? yeah you got it Amazon, Vultr, DO etc). Where as cryptography based solution does not require this.

As someone who has spent the best part of the last 11 years in the cloud R&D arena I know how easy it is for the Big Brother to request and gain access to data from cloud providers without the end user ever knowing .. and this my friend is where MasterNodes has a major design flaw. For all you know a very large % (very very large) is already de-anonymised.

I think this is the very reason for Dark/Dash pulling out of the anon race.

When your thread doesn't get any attention on its own merit despite taking turns pumping it up, what's left is to attack and start trolling other projects directly and hope your provocation works and they finally stop ignoring you. I guess you succeeded and I fell for it, so what the heck:

People run their masternodes on cheap VMs right now because it's cheap. Because DRK DASH is still very cheap, the rewards for running a node is small - around $30/month or so. If/when DRK DASH grows enough that authorities who can request private data from cloud operators actually get interested enough to do so, the rewards for running a masternode are likely to be more than $1000/month. And when you get $1000/month for running a node, you're not going to run it in Amazon. Obviously someone might, but that's ok - anonymization by masternodes is designed to resists huge sybil attacks.

Where have I been trolling other projects.  This is a thread about all three projects and I stated that I think Dark have pulled out of the anon race. 
Is this is not a fair observation on recent events?
 

[stonehedge]

Where have you got the idea that DRK has pulled out of the anon race?  What does this even mean?

[rustynailer]

Where have you got the idea that DRK has pulled out of the anon race?  What does this even mean?

They are not Dark anymore, they are Dash.  Is this not a complete change in direction?  Consumer adoption seems to be more the priority rather than anonymity.