+1 Just a sticky with a link to ripple forum will be more than enough here.

+1

Google and utube US Senator Schumer and bitcoin, and check for details here in the forum also from back in 2011.

If all that matters to them is "make as much money", it won't matter to them what the code is. They'll deal.

Good luck on your quest! Perhaps, check with the B Foundation. Maybe they are already working on this. 

Согласен. Откат кажется намного менее вероятен, и на каком уровне даже Ваш продвинутый теханализ не предскажет. Когда 1 зелёный пробивали, тоже говорили откат будет, Б переоценен, ребетня организовывала сливы у Фентиклюшкина на бирже...

На мой взгляд Б откатил потому что Гокс загремел, и важнее того МайБиткон уйму чайников замочил.

Сейчас правда динамика не та. Все фиаты в печатной гонке вниз. Думаю поэтому металы стоят и даже падают. Пока зелень и евро не укрепятся, не вижу предпосылок для падения. Здесь не надо даже экономической активности Б, пока новые толстосумы прибывают что-б упрятать кое-что от ужесточающихся налогов в ША и ЕС.

Вот если силовики наедут и начнут пресовать на все 4, тогда может и откатит непредсказуемо, но они тоже что-то решили повременить. 

Cатоше можеть и пора вломиться на Гокс с парусоттысячной бомбой, а смертным дымаю можно ещё помедлить...

Right now, some of the establishment ignores B, another considers it a scam and a ponzi only fit for criminals, the third wants to kill it as a deadly competitor, and so on...

It's NOT "required" to follow their ISO.  You think you are going to "get Bitcoin accepted as a mainstream investment in the world's financial markets" by adopting their rules of the systems that B was made to make obsolete?  As the great Casascius saying goes, that would be "a screen-door submarine with a wood trim!" 

Bitcoin is an unprecedented entity, that was made to disrupt the old currency system - to be non-conformist, rather than suck up to the establishment. 

I think Bitcoin should have the code that it already has, and the establishment should just accept that, or call it whatever they wish, IF they ever actually accept it as a mainstream whatever.

That's the same thing that was said about Bitcoin by some and still is.   Time will tell, as usual...

(BTW, the billion bitcoins you would issue would be actually poly-bitcoins IOU's, and not gateway bitcoin IOU's, and all ripplers would know that. So, your poly-bitcoins IOU's would be known to be worthless compared to the gateway bitcoin IOU's, which could be redeemed for real bitcoins from that gateway...)

Ripple is a tool for doing things that Bitcoin can't. It's not "premined" because there is no mining in it.  

If you look at who is developing it (jed - the founder of MtGox), and the idea that it's based on, (Ryan Fugger) it's clear that labeling it a "scam" is a matter of opinion. Whatever can be said about those guys, i would NOT call them scammers.

It's funny how a user with an account that's not even a week old thinks himself qualified to say what's a scam and what will collapse and be used in the virtual currency world... 

Ripple is p2p banking and credit the way that bitcoin is p2p cash.

That would mean the one can trade on the ripple internal xchange using currencies BTC-E trades (such as LTC) against every other currency for which  there is a gateway to ripple.

Yes, to get LTC through ripple though, he would have to get BTC first, jump out through a BTC gateway, then transfer B to BTC-E, and get LTC there.

We need for BTC-E to become a ripple gateway to go direct XRP>LTC.

Will BTC-E become a ripple XRP gateway?

No, actually one can't do that, unless BTC-E becomes a ripple LTC gateway. Do any of you the BTC-E regulars know whether there is any talk or plans of that at BTC-E?

+1 I think it will be a fun and interesting time when the US.gov finally runs its USD off the cliff, has its giant credit card refused, and "nationalizes" CoinLab and maybe even MtG along with everyone's B there, under the pretense of the "War on Whatever", and "a threat to national security..." 

A lot of investors worldwide will be squealing, and will have mostly their own carelessness and lack of foresight to blame.

Will be a drama not to miss, IF/WHEN it happens! 

"Your bank is in your pocket!"

I accept the OpenCoin business model as THEIR business model, which the world has the option to accept or reject.  It's not being forced on us the way the USD business model is.

Grondilu is right: it's the same business model of Bitcoin, any stock, your grandma's antique collection, and so on.

My point is that reasonable people can disagree on the initial currency distribution method, and whether or not it should involve more mining that you propose. OpenCoin leads made their decision.

If you recall to the time around the 611 crash, there were all kinds of self-proclaimed luminaries coming to this forum with ideas about the way Bitcoin should be fundamentally changed, and the blockchain reset to zero, just to make B fair, remove its shortcomings, etc. Since they had the option to implement their grand visions and didn't, i am glad the B dev team ignored them.

If the luminaries had implemented their brainstorms, Bitcoin would have been forced to change to compete. You had, have, and will have the option to compete with the OpenCoin Ripple business model. You'll have a chance to get the source of a project you proclaimed a "scam", and capitalize on their work to make it an implementation of your vision. I look forward to that, and will welcome it along with everyone else, IF its better.

So, rather than try to smear and shape the OpenCoin business model from the peanut gallery, my suggestion is that you begin organizing like-minded devs into the MrBig ripple fork team, take the Ripple source ball when available, and run with it personally to make the world a better place! I wish you well with that. 

It's hard to believe that i find myself debating in jed's defense.  You keep saying "premine" as an intentional falsehood, because you know that Ripple is not based on mining, but you wish to present it as one of the B clones that did premine.

In fact, if we look back, we see that jed's intention was to completely eliminate mining from his project.

Ripple is not a new idea, and long predates Bitcoin. Merging it with B in various ways has been discussed here many times. You seem to be an accomplished developer, and a MisterBig at that! 

You and any other mister big had plenty of time to contact Ryan Fugger, who also had input on how p2p Ripple would be implemented, and do a mining-based Ripple, or join jed's effort and try to shape it.

Once the ripplers release their code, you will be free to be the first ripple clone to fork it, and let the masses decide what's better.

Instead, you decided to arm-chair quarterback jed's project and try to shape it after the release by trying to smear it for real reasons that only you know for sure, which i think is "infinitely more distasteful."

Согласен, если "простым народом" считать местную шпану и братву, которая Б и так найдёт.   А на уличную рекламу не потянет.

Вот лишь последний "Пусть пидарасы торгуют на Форексе. Bitcoin. Для тех, у кого есть яйца.", можно ли как-то упорядочить, что-бы бабы не возмущались, и дети родителям смутительные вопросы не задавали?  
"Пап! А пап! А что такое Форекс? И кто такие пидарасы? И почему они на рынке яйцами не торгуют?"
"Малышка, Форекс это такой рынок. А пидарасы, это те кто уже продал все свои яйца, и купил на эти деньги Биткойн..." 

-1 A shill is in the eye of the beholder. If you had showed up in the B world 2 years earlier, you would have seen a handful of "miners" worldwide, "hoarding" Bitcoin by mining it on CPU's, at practically zero difficulty. That hoard they are now selling to the likes of you at 1000's % profit. 

"They" were and still are "systematically bribing" merchants and institutions into accepting Bitcoin through unsolicited donations and 10000Btc-pizza stunts. 

I criticized jed back then for the way he ran MtGox, and the POS it was then. However, i respect him for seeing that mining was wasteful, exclusive and ultimately centralizing, because fewer and fewer people in the world have the capital necessary to "hoard" B by running mining operations...

Perhaps, it's by coincidence, but i think it was also insightful of him to unload MtG as a vestige of the old, centralized, wall-street xchange model, and begin working on ACTUALLY implementing a p2p, minerless, unified platform, which we had often discussed here as "the future", but no one had enough ass to make reality.

No initial currency distribution method would have been acceptable to everyone. However, before you start flaming with the above, you should read at least some of the history recorded in this forum about sub-50-cent Bitcoin days, and reflect on the fact that no one forced you into Bitcoin, and no one is forcing you into Ripple, and that both will stand or fall on their own merit regardless of what their proponents do.   

Как известно, и в Совке и после мы лозунгов нахлебались сполна.  Но раз такая пьянка в странах пиндостана, и как второй по активности сектор форума, давайте тоже приступим к голосованию за лучший русский лозунг/девиз для Б, если этого ещё не обсуждалось?

Щас привинчу опрос!

А Вы стучите ниже и я буду в опрос добавлять. Только прошу без матерных сюжетов, а что поостроумней, покультурней, пригодного для рекламы, и т.д.

Do we have an LTC gateway to ripple somewhere yet?