This kind of FUD has been discussed so many times in this forum, that it's a waste of time to even respond to it in detail... 

Beware of Astroturf! 

Cool. It will be a biased poll though, without "Never"... 
 

... i think that "Never" should also be an option in the poll.  

I think it's best to let Bitcoin speak for itself from now on... 

Мне тоже настойчиво приходит мысль, что биржа была к сожалению ссучена. Возможно, что это даже неведомо владельцу, и руководят ею теперь весьма компетентные органы, в чьих кошельках Ваши Б теперь на всякий случай лежат...

Возможно что поэтому на РОССИЙСКОЙ  бирже теперь нельзя РУБЛЯМИ торговать, и внятных объяснений тоже нельзя давать, пока новый хозяин ориентируется... 

The subject and the initial post are so full of the innate American arrogance, egotism and self-centeredness, that it looks like Astroturf to me.  As in previous such threads, the premise seems to be that if the US bans, doesn't completely accept something, or competes against it, it's doomed to failure and obscurity...

So, i'll just restate the reality of this century, rather than the last one:

The US population is 4% of the world population.
It makes ~27% of the world GDP, last i looked.
It's broke and in debt for the foreseeable future. The numbers are staggering!
Even its own government commissions predict that it will face a fiscal and currency collapse within this decade, if not 2-5 years.
Its government isn't ready to do anything except bicker about it.

Yet, even in this forum, the arrogant, pathological, astroturfy American FUD continues to flow, regarding how anything Americans or the US government doesn't embrace is DOA...    Maybe it's just a ploy to push the B price down a little to load up... 

Правильно! Не надо банить астротёрфиров. Просто не лазьте на троллейбусы.

Биткойн сама за себя авторитетно постоит, и скажет последнее слово... 

LOL

О, какие виражи молодняк нынче даёт! То знакомый почерк Ильича, то Уолл Стрит!  Даже дух захватывает... 

From personal experience, before you move, i would suggest you search within yourself, and make sure that you are not trying to move away from yourself. It's impossible to run away from yourself, of course...

In my experience, a change in one's personal life can make a big difference in the way one perceives the surrounding environment and people...

Imho, another thing that makes a difference is the urbanization of the place where one lives. Obviously, urban environments, especially in developing countries, stress people, and make them act like rats in an overcrowded cage. The most troublesome members of society also tend to gravitate there.

I've found that moving to a provincial city can be helpful in avoiding such stressed environments, and high concentrations of unpleasant people. As in any other large country, i suspect that people in Brazil act differently toward each other in places distant from the overpopulated centers.

Perhaps, you may find it useful to investigate life in countries where wealthy people from developed countries often go to retire. On your side of the globe, Panama and Costa Rica come to mind... If you want a peaceful, cordial place, i would follow the international retirees. As the recent Tenerife incident shows, it still doesn't prevent one from getting her head cut off, but chances seem favorable there...

In my experience though, the main question to answer first is still, "Am i trying to move away from myself?" It's difficult to answer, and what you wish to find is difficult...

As a lifetime mover that i have also been, i wish you luck!

No thanks, Dude!  I am not going to load up an important thread like this with the noise of debating Madison-Avenue euphemisms, just so i can become a "Hero Member" with Superglobalistic Moderator on top...

We all know what and which way the GPU fan winds are blowing...

+1 & MajorRespect x 10^~ to jed for reviving this topic!

No matter how power efficient the ArtForz farms will be, they will continue to create more and more environmental pollution simply to do complex busywork. Worse than that: they will continue to centralize the control and wealth in the fairytale world of "decentralized Bitcoin" around the biggest concentrations of greed, just as the current banking systems do...

I also for once agree with BitterTea that "...the future will most likely look nothing like the present." If something like what jed is proposing is unworkable, i think the future is with a block chain or whatever chain that comes with an API into which any entity can throw its large computational problems.

In addition to the relatively trivial tasks of "processing financial transactions" and creating the money supply, such a system might reward the p2p nodes at a variable, difficulty-based rate for solving the milestones of the computational problems constantly being fed into the API from any entity that needs the computing power.

It might be kind of like Folding@Home for profit, and not just focused on a single problem. It would be a complex system, but so is the modern monetary system, or a modern computer compared to an abacus, or an ArtForz farm of optimized abacuses that we have now... 

At least such a mining system would work on useful problems, rather than just harnessing greed to create a controversial, pseudo-decentralized monetary system, along with so much heat and electrical power plant emissions...

So Big-Up-Yo-Self to jed and to all who wish to fundamentally improve on the wastefulness of the Bitcoin system!

IF it isn't already a threat, when it becomes one, the establishment isn't going to advertise it, they will just attack and disrupt Bitcoin in a way that the latter can't avoid losing widespread public trust.

Until then, it's clear to me that the best developers will continue to mainly be concerned with the latest improvements to their e-commerce shopping cart...

I think a lot of threads we see here recently are Astroturfing designed to showcase Bitcoin as an instrument useful to criminals and other destructive forces.

IMHO, it's really dumb of the Bitcoin "old-timers" and proponents to continue to get involved in those discussions, and continue to respond to the same accusations for the n-th time.

On such things, it seems best just to let Bitcoin speak for itself, as every other currency does... 

Given the latest fiscal developments in Greece, would someone from the Greek part of the community please give us an on-scene update on what the default would mean to the average Greeks, and how it might affect Bitcoin's prospects in your country?

Thank you in advance for any info!  

It's hard to believe that people are replying to the idea of "restarting the chain" with something other than LOL, ROFLMAO!

Those who wish to do that are free to do so at any time. The technology is out: since you think it's inevitable anyway, write a new client, fork the chain into Inflatacoin, RestartaCoin, or whatever!

I can't believe that someone would actually propose "restarting" the original chain as something other than a bad joke! Takes all kinds to make the world...  

Мужики! Вот новая Рубь-площадка, в поддержку биткойнерам России от дружеского, польского народа!  

Во всяком случае, пригодится...  

I had a really great first experience at Bitmarket.EU, where one wires to the seller, rather than the exchange.

IMHO, MtGox is great for professional traders, trading teams, dark-pool dwellers and other market manipulators. Other than that, i think it's time to stop recommending the MtGox monopoly to the average user.

It's one of the entities making the fairytale about "the completely decentralized" Bitcoin a complete and absolute myth... 

Рубь за сто даю, что если приедет bitcoinex и команда его торпедного катера, народ съедется на стрелку с самых дальних регионов России, и даже из-за кордона!

Наверняка, даже Брюс Вагнер наедет на Вас, и будет очень весело! 

А клёвые бабы предусмотренны, или это порожняя тусовка? 

 

  Прикольное обозрение, господин Шнурков! А Вы ещё на Уиткойн российским первопроходцем не зачислились? Там вроде за такое остроумие платят, и троллейбусов навалом... 

Right. This was so even before the first pool, not to mention Deepbit. For those who think it's a remote possibility, Deepbit already came really close if not over 50% recently, when Slush went down for a while...

For such people, Bitcoin is not about Satoshi's ideals, or bettering the world we live in; it's just about greed and "it's-all-about-me" personal profit...