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301  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: July 27, 2014, 06:45:18 PM
Unemployment, insofar as it is involuntary, is mostly the result of minimum wage laws. With Bitcoin it becomes pretty hard to enforce those laws. If a high school student who is unable to find work wants to sell her anime drawings that take her four hours to make for only $10 ($2.50 per hour) and get paid in bitcoins via Tor, who can stop her?

Of course as long as an employer isn't paying hourly, someone can always sell something at a low enough price that the average pay clocks in at lower than minimum wage bitcoin or no bitcoin...  and lots of industries (construction, restaurant, dancing) use similar dodges with tips, hours, locker rentals, etc to avoid minimum wage laws and to avoid offering health insurance... I have not done statistical research but it seems like these laws sometimes just provide greater profitability to companies large enough to purchase clever lawyers.
302  Economy / Speculation / Re: Something BIG will happen to Bitcoin this week ... or next on: July 24, 2014, 09:10:24 PM
Basically its in a wedge. Last time it was in a triangle it broke out and almost hit $700 about 2 months ago.

It will either break up or break down sometime this week or next....


See chart below

<snip>

I've never seen the most arbitrary lines drawn on a graph in my life, until now.  That's pretty pathetic dude.

LOL! If you don't understand what a wedge is, maybe you shouldn't be trading. Pretty common pattern.


lol... its your lower wedge line, seems to cut directly thru the graph not anchored to anything.
303  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 23, 2014, 06:02:12 PM
"The blockchain may only ever be applicable to Bitcoin as Money."-cypherdoc

The new Ethereum release and funding is going to be a good test of my theory.  From just over 50% confidence, I've moved it to just over 60% after the NYDFS regs.  I say this b/c of the onerous identification mechanisms the regs have introduced.  Because Vitalik and company are well known and trackable, I think they could become targets very soon by the SEC or some such regulatory agency for selling securities unregulated.  With any regulatory attack will also come a freezing of their ether and USD funding.  Mind you, I don't wish this on them at all; it's just a fact.  As I've been saying, Satoshi by luck, design and timing, created a set of conditions that may never be reproducible.  His anonymity being one of the most critical along with his privacy in boot strapping Bitcoin via mining in the early stages.  I also don't see where Ethereum's mining power is going to come from.  There aren't going to be many miners willing to secure stocks, bonds, smart contracts, or whatever, I think.

We'll see.

I think your quote is premature.  But correct today.  Why expose yourself to all the risk of using technology with only 5 years of history and then chain yourself to an instrument whose upside is that of gold, USD, or a stock/bond?

The only advantage of having this stuff in the blockchain is that it provides more liquidity to bitcoin (the liquidity of the underlying instrument will be lower than its normal market for years).  You can get out of BTC into colored-coin USD, etc quickly and after doing so your USD is not sitting on some shady exchange that might go belly up... but oh wait, the blockchain is a representation, so its actually sitting in the vault of some shady backer that might go belly up!

So there's no point right now unless the company itself issues the stock on the blockchain, or a top-10 financial company provides the backing.

But if Bitcoin grows to become daily currency and the blockchain technology matures, then it will start making more sense to put other stuff on the blockchain to facilitate trade.

304  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 22, 2014, 07:56:59 PM
So we have 4T outstanding backed by 1.7T in land and buildings.  You want to know how much a dollar is really worth?  You do the math.

I think that those two graphs, velocity and monetary base tell a compelling story when put together.  And the moral of the story is that QE is ineffective; the real economy does not need any more dollars.

Edit: Could one of the main points of QE been to back the USD with something?
305  Economy / Economics / Re: Dollar coming to an end on: July 21, 2014, 10:40:37 PM
I think there are two different ideas people have when talking about "death of the dollar."  One is that it will lose its status as being used for most transactions around the world.  The second is that it's use will become obsolete due to something like Bitcoin, or going to a barter economy.  

Yes, since the dollar is not actually alive obviously this term is used as hyperbole.  I think that most people predicting the "death of the dollar" are actually taking about a short period of significant super-exponential value loss or by a similar reduction in use world-wide.  Basically if you went on vacation for a few weeks, you'd come back to a thing still called the "dollar" but in practice it would be a totally different beast.

Since QE has basically had the effect of backing USD with mortgages, in the case of an international "run" on dollars the US Federal Reserve will be left with the unenviable position of choosing to let the value of the dollar fall dramatically or choosing to sell all those mortgages to overseas investors.  But of course there will be less value-in-houses available than dollars printed b/c organizations like the Fed and the govt do not produce value.  So it is more likely that the FED will have redeem a lot more dollars for the backing mortgages -- that is, a sudden loss of dollar purchasing power and massive paper profits for the FED which by law will go to the US government to pay off the deficit.

The big losers in this game will be everyone with USD-denominated instruments, including salaries, and the big winners will be USD-denominated liabilities (mortgages for example).
306  Economy / Speculation / Re: This Bitfinex Credit Bubble cannot end well on: July 21, 2014, 02:41:55 AM
Is a roll-back during such a cascading crash really a safe thing to do or may people be left without their money?

what they do is halt trading when the flash crash occurs, then they keep trading frozen while they wait for other markets to recover. then they unfreeze trading after rolling back flash crash trades. and lots of traders get screwed....

...and the idea that they might freeze trades to protect lenders discourages people from betting on a flash crash and so the bid order book remains thin.
307  Economy / Speculation / Re: This Bitfinex Credit Bubble cannot end well on: July 19, 2014, 06:58:59 PM
Until now, Bitfinex only collected the interest in the moment the trader closed his position, with no interest paid on the interest that was accumulated. Now, after 21, this will change and the old interest in debt will be collected.

Some crazy bulls that have been long for months might get indeed liquidated because of that. It's impossible to guess how many.

I'm not sure how this will work. The announcement said that it would be capped at $10k per day, so I'd think large trapped positions may have already started lowering their exposure after the announcement.

I also read today in the TV bitcoin chat (unsubstantiated) that BFX now said it won't affect old positions -- only new ones taken. So again, not sure what to think. We'll see.

So one take away is that they would not have said that unless some people owe bitfinex > 10k in interest.  So there are either some very large positions and/or some very old ones.
308  Economy / Speculation / Re: This Bitfinex Credit Bubble cannot end well on: July 17, 2014, 12:24:22 AM
Clearly, right or wrong, Bitfinex doesn't want that information published or they would publish it.

I think customers have a right to know, even if they don't like. Other people, no. It's not hard to get the information, but it's harder than if it's published on a forum post. I wouldn't like to see my name published on a forum in association with bitcoin.

Since I'm a customer, my goal is to know the full name of all owners of Bitfinex and any other relevant information. I hope I won't ever need it, but...

But you dont have a public bitcoin business so you could have an expectation of privacy.  IMHO officers of bitcoin businesses should be public knowledge... might discourage cut and run.
309  Economy / Speculation / Re: Market psychology thread on: July 16, 2014, 01:39:16 PM
Most people satisfy rather than optimize.  If the water is fine here, why should I swim over there?  All the positive news is great preparation, but the next bubble won't happen without a kick -- some negative news in the fiat world -- that drives people to switch.
310  Economy / Speculation / Re: This Bitfinex Credit Bubble cannot end well on: July 16, 2014, 12:54:21 AM
We might increase leverage in the future if we see our swap market is cooling off a little.
For the time being we believe it's a good idea, for the sake of traders, liquidity providers and the bitcoin market to slow down a little the growth of our swap total market.

I hope this helps.

Have a good day

Giancarlo
Bitfinex Team

"Earlier today, Mt. Gox halted trading, saying the market needed to "cool down""

I knew i heard that phrase somewhere else before...  Cheesy

Hehe, I don't know about the validity of that analogy, but this is a pretty clear acknowledgement by Bitfinex that swaps/leverage have gotten out of hand vs. liquidity.

"cool down" is a very common phrase... bitfinex is guaranteeing the lender's principal, AND it schedules the margin calls.  In other words, bitfinex can choose to not execute a forced sale if it wants.  So clearly they aren't going to do margin calls so fast that they flash crash to the point where principal is lost because that will be suicide.  Its therefore unlikely we'll get a deep flash crash on bitfinex alone... but a flash crash (or even something smaller than a crash) on other exchanges could trigger a big flash crash on bitfinex.
I don't think they guarantee the lenders' principle. Do you have a link/quote to back this up? AFAIK lenders are putting their money at risk, although they do have ways that should protect your money.

You used to be able to choose "insured" or "uninsured" swaps.  They sent an announcement around a month or so ago increasing their take and saying that they will all be "insured" now.  You are right, what exactly that means is perhaps unclear.

@Coinfan: I and I'd expect that you don't really know how automatic vs manual it is.  However, its not all or nothing... you could do an automatic call until BTC price drops X%, then pause... the human could configure how fast the margin calls are executed... etc.
311  Economy / Speculation / Re: This Bitfinex Credit Bubble cannot end well on: July 15, 2014, 05:29:04 PM
We might increase leverage in the future if we see our swap market is cooling off a little.
For the time being we believe it's a good idea, for the sake of traders, liquidity providers and the bitcoin market to slow down a little the growth of our swap total market.

I hope this helps.

Have a good day

Giancarlo
Bitfinex Team

"Earlier today, Mt. Gox halted trading, saying the market needed to "cool down""

I knew i heard that phrase somewhere else before...  Cheesy

Hehe, I don't know about the validity of that analogy, but this is a pretty clear acknowledgement by Bitfinex that swaps/leverage have gotten out of hand vs. liquidity.

"cool down" is a very common phrase... bitfinex is guaranteeing the lender's principal, AND it schedules the margin calls.  In other words, bitfinex can choose to not execute a forced sale if it wants.  So clearly they aren't going to do margin calls so fast that they flash crash to the point where principal is lost because that will be suicide.  Its therefore unlikely we'll get a deep flash crash on bitfinex alone... but a flash crash (or even something smaller than a crash) on other exchanges could trigger a big flash crash on bitfinex.


312  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 12, 2014, 02:25:18 AM
Yes in regards to litecoin.  But I see a micropayment coin being successful.  It will have a fundamentally different structure.   Instead of history it will have a db.  Blockchain will cointain hash of the db state and the txns reqd to get there from prior state.  Old blockchain can therefore be forgotten.   It will encourage address reuse by higher txn fee to new addr.  This will make the db size grow much slower than number of txns does which is key feature of u payment coin.

I acknowledge the usefulness of micropayments, but I can't imagine an entirely separate currency (as in a currency with an exchange rate that floats with respect to bitcoin) being the solution.  I don't have an answer for what I think the solution will look like, however, but I think it will be tied intimately to bitcoin's ledger.  I do see your point about the db minimizing blockchain growth. 

Yes sidechain would be better
313  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 12, 2014, 02:06:49 AM
To you point about 'money', I see it as the opposite.  Gold is fairly useless as 'money' because it is to valuable.  Junk silver is just about right.  I should point out that I don't see either as being useful as 'money' as long as the USD works fine, and it performs admirably as money at the moment.  If I had confidence in this state of affairs persisting in perpetuity I would not be terribly interest in gold, silver, or Bitcoin.

I should have clarified what I meant: given that bitcoin was invented, silver is pointless.  But I think gold still has some benefit as a high-density purely physical store of value (e.g., as a hedge against the unlikely event IMO that bitcoin fails).  

If bitcoin had never been invented, then silver is useful for exactly the reason you said: gold is too valuable to ever be useful for day-to-day purchases.

Slightly off topic, but it's interesting to note that we both seem to agree that the point of monetary silver is to make up for a deficit in gold (it's hard to scrap off $2 of gold to buy a loaf of bread).  Because of bitcoin's divisibility and weightlessness, the notion that some alt-coin will become the "silver to bitcoin's gold" is nonsense.

Yes in regards to litecoin.  But I see a micropayment coin being successful.  It will have a fundamentally different structure.   Instead of history it will have a db.  Blockchain will cointain hash of the db state and the txns reqd to get there from prior state.  Old blockchain can therefore be forgotten.   It will encourage address reuse by higher txn fee to new addr.  This will make the db size grow much slower than number of txns does which is key feature of u payment coin.
314  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 11, 2014, 07:46:00 PM
This is a great article on the economic prospects and mass psychology behind the success of Uber. Much of this applies to bitcoin.

http://abovethecrowd.com/2014/07/11/how-to-miss-by-a-mile-an-alternative-look-at-ubers-potential-market-size/

The article mentions accuracy vs. precision, but is too kind.  This is a very common failing of economists -- formally they know better but in practice if they put a lot of work into a model they forget that it can be no more accurate than its input.

Engineers have a saying "garbage in -> garbage out"

315  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 09, 2014, 08:17:19 PM
a few hours ago we were over 625 for a moment on Stamp. Then we had 150 coins to 625. Then 300. Now 762. For a low volume day, the selling pressure is increasing considerably...

Yes, it is starting to look a bit difficult. But traders at Finex don't care if China doesn't follow or if things start to look difficult on Stamp. They just buy more  Grin

The amount of longs really is quite large on BitFinex at 30.5 million now.  At these levels it seems like someone could create a flash crash with a small push that would feed upon itself as margins get called.  It has happened before on BitFinex.

Total Speculation: So how could this amount of leverage happen?  Let's say a whale was ready to move in with 20-50 million... clearly this would bring us to a new price level.  Would it be illegal manipulation for that whale to first leverage long, knowing he will soon buy it up to a higher price?  Or how about tempting leverage harvesters to attempt to flash crash, but also keeping a hidden bid of USD on BitFinex so he can sweep in and purchase the BTC at the flash-crash price.
316  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 08, 2014, 06:58:43 PM
  You can't escape the benefits of division of labor. 

You CAN when the cost of the labor approaches 0.  in the future: Buy commodity miner, hook up to thermostat, power, and internet.  Done.

317  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 08, 2014, 02:44:08 PM
"In the future, in the Internet generation, every country will slowly relax sovereign control and even dilute the concept of sovereignty."

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/pboc-official-sovereignty-bitcoin-internet-age-will-change-china-around-world/2014/07/07

"country will relax" my ass. We shall starve and suffocate them.

The officials will have no budget. Their pensions are extinguished. Their salaries are inflated away. The politicians will be laughed at, when they try to offer spoils to the voters. The servicemen abroad will, when their machinery stops due to lack of maintenance, when they have no fuel for their warships for lack of pay, when they have no food left, quietly leave the warships, team up with a local woman and start small scale vegetable production, forget to write home.



You nailed it. Statists will have to compete for our bitcoins by offering their "services" on a voluntary basis. Fewer and fewer proposals will get funded and individuals overall will prosper. I can't think of a more exciting time to be alive.


I think we may see a "hollowing out" of government but I think your vision is too much.  In a world of declining resources relative to population, defense may still be very important.  But internal services and the attached regulatory bodies that are currently centralized for trust reasons (taxi medallions, hotels, etc) will move to decentralized models.  And blockchain technology will remove much of the legal work relating to tracking ownership of titles, stocks, bonds, etc.  However, local government will still be required to protect long term investment against externalities (i.e. you can't build that noisy, polluting factory right next to our neighborhood without buying all the houses in it first because you will ruin the quality of life for all residents).




318  Economy / Speculation / Re: Has technical analysis been thoroughly debunked in the bitcoin community yet? on: July 08, 2014, 02:31:30 PM
Hi,
I suppose if one begins with the presumption that TA predicts the future then it is understandable that there are detractors.

If you have ever studied TA the first thing you learn is that TA DOES NOT forecast or predict the future. Not one TA/charting specialist would ever say it does!

What you might hear is that:
1. TA first and foremost gives a visual of price action over time and the repetative patterns within.

2. It is a way to marry price, time and volume in derived equations that plot as indicators

3. TA REDUCES the risk to enter a trade or INCREASES profit by knowing when to get out.

I have shown on my imgur site (three installments back) exact entry/exit prices for BITCOIN BTCe. On the charts you can see the entry/exit points I personally followed and traded. Unfortunately not all my calls are on that site because being an active troller on BTCe, I often made my calls there.

So if you visit https://dirkk.imgur.com/ go to BTC album and see the last say 6 installments.

To those that say TA doesn't work on BTC and crypto with liquidity, isn't doing their homework.

Regards and Happy Trading,
Dirk k.


RIIIIIGHT.  So TA is just a way of producing pretty pictures and all you guys are just artists, right?  It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with any attempt to forecast or predict the price.  Come on, your #3 implies forecasts and/or price prediction, as general trends if not exact numbers.



319  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 08, 2014, 02:26:34 PM
Yes it is unleashing a huge stash of the Winklevoss' coins.. but NOT TO MARKET. Only to customers of the ETF. = No effect on the market.
Not until the sell all shares and need more coins to satisfy demand,, will we see an effect.
At least, that is my take on it anyway. I stand to be correct if wrong.
Guys and girls - this situation is going to resolve itself just like the situation in the 400s. We bounced around high to low and mid to low 400s for many weeks. Finally, there just were no more sellers. None. And once that happened, the bulls ran wild.

Well, that is what we are seeing again. No buying, but less and less selling. So unless sellers start selling more soon, then the selling will eventually slow to a crawl again. At that time, our only way forward will be up.

Now this could take another week or so or more - who knows - its all just "speculation" that we love.

But, me, I'm watching the sellers, not the buyers, for clues on how low this goes and where the local bottom really is.

Yeah I think there are just too many bulls expecting a bubble, can't go up when everyone is a bull unless there is a huge influx of new people getting into bitcoin. That's going to happen eventually but not as fast as people are thinking. Some impatient buyers have already sold and I see the number of bears increase again which is positive because we need them as fuel for the price to go up. Cheesy I don't expect a bubble any time soon but I do see 800-850 in the cards.


there will be no bubble this summer. in september (or whenever etf gets approved) a steady bull run will start. it may lead into another bubble in q4. july and august will stay boring...

Will the Winklevoss etf mean people are buying new bitcoin though?  Won't they just be buying bitcoin the Winklevii bought years ago?  (this sounds wrong but I'm too tired to work out why).  I mean, where currently someone would have to buy bitcoin on an exchange, with the etf, they will be able to buy from via the etf (which doesn't have to buy any more coins).  So the etf would have a negative effect on market demand (for the current markets) by this logic.  i.e. essentially it is unleashing a huge supply of the Winklevoss coins.



Let's think hard here.  I mean REALLY stretch our brains.  The Winklevoss have spent LOTS of time and money creating an ETF.  Why did they do ths?  Because if this ETF is anything like GLD, it could dramatically increase the price of BTC over a few years.  So the Winklevoss could:
  1. Sell their coins to ETF purchasers, which will leave the BTC exchange rate more or less unchanged and result in the Winklevoss owning no coins.  At that point the BTC exchange rate will start rising but the Winklevoss will not benefit b/c they own no coins.
  2. Keep their coins, forcing ETF purchases to eventually hit the open market pushing up the BTC exchange rate and making their stash much more valuable.

Hmm... which will it be?  Grin



320  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 05, 2014, 02:52:54 PM

The new American judicial branch

What is this?
Code:
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 * Fingerprint Tor authoritative directories enacting the directory protocol.
 */
fingerprint('anonymizer/tor/node/authority') = $tor_authority
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// END_DEFINITION

// START_DEFINITION
/*
Global Variable for Tor foreign directory servers. Searching for potential Tor
clients connecting to the Tor foreign directory servers on ports 80 and 443.
*/

$tor_foreign_directory_ip = ip('193.23.244.244' or '194.109.206.212' or
'86.59.21.38' or '213.115.239.118' or '212.112.245.170') and port ('80' or
'443');
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this variable contains the 3 Tor directory servers hosted in FVEY countries.
Please do not update this variable with non-FVEY IPs. These are held in a
separate variable called $tor_foreign_directory_ip. Goal is to find potential
Tor clients connecting to the Tor directory servers.
*/
$tor_fvey_directory_ip = ip('128.31.0.39' or '216.224.124.114' or
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 * Identify clients accessing Tor bridge information.
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ssl_dns_name('bridges.torproject.org');

/**
 * Database Tor bridge information extracted from confirmation emails.
 */
fingerprint('anonymizer/tor/bridge/email') =
email_address('bridges@torproject.org')
  and email_body('https://bridges.torproject.org/' : c++
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    bridges[] = /bridge\s([0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3}):?([0-9]{2,4}?[^0-9])/;
  }}
  init: {{
    xks::undefine_name("anonymizer/tor/torbridges/emailconfirmation");
  }}
  main: {{
    static const std::string SCHEMA_OLD = "tor_bridges";
    static const std::string SCHEMA_NEW = "tor_routers";
    static const std::string FLAGS = "Bridge";
    if (bridges) {
      for (size_t i=0; i < bridges.size(); ++i) {
        std::string address = bridges[i][0] + ":" + bridges[i][1];
        DB[SCHEMA_OLD]["tor_bridge"] = address;
        DB.apply();
        DB[SCHEMA_NEW]["tor_ip"] = bridges[i][0];
        DB[SCHEMA_NEW]["tor_port_or"] = bridges[i][1];
        DB[SCHEMA_NEW]["tor_flags"] = FLAGS;
        DB.apply();
      }
      xks::fire_fingerprint("anonymizer/tor/directory/bridge");
    }
    return true;
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The fingerprint identifies sessions visiting the Tor Project website from
non-fvey countries.
*/
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These variables define terms and websites relating to the TAILs (The Amnesic
Incognito Live System) software program, a comsec mechanism advocated by
extremists on extremist forums.
*/

$TAILS_terms=word('tails' or 'Amnesiac Incognito Live System') and word('linux'
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This fingerprint identifies users searching for the TAILs (The Amnesic
Incognito Live System) software program, viewing documents relating to TAILs,
or viewing websites that detail TAILs.
*/
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fingerprint('documents/comsec/tails_doc') or web_search($TAILS_terms) or
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 * Aggregate Tor hidden service addresses seen in raw traffic.
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      #include <boost/lexical_cast.hpp>
    }}
    proto: {{
      message onion_t {
        required string address = 1;
        optional string scheme = 2;
        optional string port = 3;
      }
    }}
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      static const std::string prefix = "anonymizer/tor/hiddenservice/address/";

      onion_t onion;
      size_t matches = cur_args()->matches.size();
      for (size_t pos=0; pos < matches; ++pos) {
        const std::string &value = match(pos);
        if (value.size() == 16)
          onion.set_address(value);
        else if(!onion.has_scheme())
          onion.set_scheme(value);
        else
          onion.set_port(value);
      }

      if (!onion.has_address())
        return false;

      MAPPER.map(onion.address(), onion);
      xks::fire_fingerprint(prefix + onion.address());
      return true;
    }}
    reducer<onion_t>: {{
      for (values_t::const_iterator iter = VALUES.begin();
          iter != VALUES.end();
          ++iter) {
        DB["tor_onion_survey"]["onion_address"] = iter->address() + ".onion";
        if (iter->has_scheme())
          DB["tor_onion_survey"]["onion_scheme"] = iter->scheme();
        if (iter->has_port())
          DB["tor_onion_survey"]["onion_port"] = iter->port();
        DB["tor_onion_survey"]["onion_count"] = boost::lexical_cast<std::string>(TOTAL_VALUE_COUNT);
        DB.apply();
        DB.clear();
      }
      return true;
    }});

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 * Placeholder fingerprint for Tor hidden service addresses.
 * Real fingerpritns will be fired by the plugins
 *   'anonymizer/tor/plugin/onion/*'
 */
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        ip('128.31.0.34');
// END_DEFINITION

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