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It is highly likely in the next few days, people at Mt.Gox are going to be arrested.
Yes. Hey, who got Interpol after WW2? I know the Nazis babysat it during the killing years, but who got it after that? Well anyway, I am sure Interpol won't do shit, because, jurisdickshun. Its highly likely that nobody does anything about that until the stolen coins are all sold and only laywers give statements about fairy - tales which happened to all those assets . Confidentially implying force-majeure of course. But at builder you still can sell hot air for 50% in real assets---it canīt get any better. |
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This does not answer the question - why is goxbtc price so cheap compared to goxusd. They are both gox, and have been non-withdrawable for about 4 weeks.
Because, in the case of bankruptcy and court proceedings, claims in fiat are more likely to be disbursed to the creditors. BTC claims add a layer of complexity and may not even be recognized during liquidation. Read their ToS....your oppinion is wrong...asset is asset ! |
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Why is MtGox even trading if you can't deposit or withdraw fiat or BTC?
Shouldn't all trading be halted at MtGox until everything gets normal?
The fact that they are allowing BTC to be traded at 20% of the market value tells you that they are gaming the situation!
The ponzi needs to be played to its fullest and in bitcoin - Japan you are obviously entitelt to do so, all else you donīt have enough money for laywers and cronies. |
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If any of you with fiat stuck on Gox want to get it out instantly instead of waiting for this to play out please PM me. I am currently able to help move about 10k out of there for a 3% fee. PM me to discuss.
Me too, but only if you have a Euro- balance stuck there . Please pm me to discuss |
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After Joey Zasa took out the Commission Michael observed:
Joey Zasa would never pull something like this without backing. He's just muscle, he's an enforcer, he's nothing. He doesn't have the wit for that helicopter attack. He doesn't even have the ambition to wipe out the whole Commission. Certainly not the balls.
So now I put the question to you, gentlemen: Who is backing Mark Krap?
laywers...the best ones money can buy...and those who were selling as well knowing the books and the strategy... |
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What is the theory - why is goxbtc/goxusd price so low?
OMG its not a theory, its in front of your eyes ! Insiders (people connected to Mark and other readily accessibles accounts and he himself are cashing out!) no matter what ---- nobody is doing anything about that --- so they just go on....extincting any kind of proove...creating a story together with some parasites laywers and the die is cast - pronto This does not answer the question - why is goxbtc price so cheap compared to goxusd. They are both gox, and have been non-withdrawable for about 4 weeks. That is actually a good question. goxbtc and goxusd should both be worth equally less since both are equally at risk. However, goxbtc unlike goxusd clearly is much lower. Therefore, I would conclude that goxbtc is NOT real BTC. While goxusd is real USD, but not withdrawable. If nobody believes it now ....hindsight will tell you that those dollars are real and have been withdrawn as were all the real BTC. |
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What is the theory - why is goxbtc/goxusd price so low?
OMG its not a theory, its in front of your eyes ! Insiders (people connected to Mark and other readily accessibles accounts and he himself are cashing out!) no matter what ---- nobody is doing anything about that --- so they just go on....extincting any kind of proove...creating a story together with some parasites laywers and the die is cast - pronto This does not answer the question - why is goxbtc price so cheap compared to goxusd. They are both gox, and have been non-withdrawable for about 4 weeks. Is not people still reporting EUR withdraws being processed? From what I've seen, EUR withdraws still occur. Also, people who believe gox is insolvent would rather hold USD maybe because they believe it will be easier to get the USD back legally. Nobody in their right mind would sell at Gox at these prices not you, not me not panicked japanese nobody who erroneously thinks btcs as an asset is not claimable.....really noone...besides?  ? |
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What is the theory - why is goxbtc/goxusd price so low?
OMG its not a theory, its in front of your eyes ! Insiders (people connected to Mark and other readily accessibles accounts and he himself are cashing out!) no matter what ---- nobody is doing anything about that --- so they just go on....extincting any kind of proove...creating a story together with some parasites laywers and the die is cast - pronto This does not answer the question - why is goxbtc price so cheap compared to goxusd. They are both gox, and have been non-withdrawable for about 4 weeks. Nobody reads what I write apparently--- hello?---of course nor the polish neither the japanese accounts are frozen yet... And of course you can instantly transfer the heist from those or do you really think Mark himself is waiting in the queue ? But of course you canīt sell them at bitstamp in this quantity even if you have a fake identity established there. |
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Even without the "Bitcoin Foundation Exeprt Cadre"...
Satoshi's idea is worth a lot.
These so called experts are probably > 50% dumbshits.
No, the hirarchy which formed around a peer to peer currency got exposed for what it is...... complicit in centralising and abetting the same real-world corruption and cronyism which steals from the masses to the benefits of the few. Either way bitcoin doesnīt deserve to be the top-dog in cryptoland ( malleability and slowliness ) Litecoin can everything what bitcoin does and is ten times cheaper and 4 times faster for any purpose. Bitcoin in the hand of early adopters who donīt care or may be more? about the current heist is fucked and should be given to wallstreet and their chain-letters called "investment -funds". Lets sell it down.. its not even worth a hundred dollars.... |
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Any man who would allow his customers coins to be debased, and blame others, for weeks, is a total ignoramus or a clever person.
I would probably say complete and utter scumbag no-- just a member of the board of bitcoinfoundation  |
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BTW--- even if it would fit but I consider Sturle as a patsy and not part that clan.
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What is the theory - why is goxbtc/goxusd price so low?
OMG its not a theory, its in front of your eyes ! Insiders (people connected to Mark and other readily accessibles accounts and he himself are cashing out!) no matter what ---- nobody is doing anything about that --- so they just go on....extincting any kind of proove...creating a story together with some parasites laywers and the die is cast - pronto |
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Of all the people outside Mt.Gox, sturle bears perhaps the most responsibility of the untold millions that ordinary people lost by listening this lulling voice of "reason".
Actually.. he's still at it on ##mtgox-chat on irc.freenode.org. That guy sure has a lot of faith. ALL IS WELL AT MTGOX I TELL YOU.  only that there must have been sold more BTC than Mark , Gox and depositors ever had together LOL really stupid those panicking japanese |
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Although I haven't got funds @mtgox anymore, I'll supply you with some information in order to support anybody who wants to sue mtgox because I'm very interested in seeing Mark Karpeles at court for his actions. lost quiet a bit during the last days when leaving mtgox. throughout the last week immediately after the first press release of mtgox regarding halted btc withdrawals, you could observe huge rhythmic btc dumps @mtgox every 2-5 minutes following always the same pattern ("the whale of mtgox"). the sum of these dumps up to now is approx 140000 btc at an average price of around us$270. ie a us$38 mio sell-off. there were a few stuck levels eg at us$261.24 yesterday and us$148.15 the day before yesterday. these were manipulated levels by the whale serving all asks above these levels every 2-5 minutes. this is very difficult to do through the api of mtgox. but very easy if you're in charge of the order book itself. Therefore, you'll have to deal with either a very risky investor who is going to sue mtgox as well for his us$38+ mio funds @mtgox pretty soon. if you take into account that most of the trading fees at mtgox were paid in btc throughout the last years (default setting), it is more likely that the whale rushing all the btc on the market is mtgox resp Mark Karpeles himself. This would be an easy way to transfer the customers fiat collected throughout the last years to his own account reducing his liability in and us$. if you further take into account, that maybe a good portion of btc stored at mtgox got stolen, mtgox might blame the bitcoin protocol ("transaction malleability") as a cause for the loss. the result: Mark Karpeles got the customers fiat, the customers got stolen btc. the customers could file a charge against an unknown person for stealing their btc. what does this mean? --> all data on the servers of mtgox must be assured immediately in order to investigate the fraud. ressources: http://bitcoincharts.com/http://bitcoinwisdom.com/http://coinsight.org/mtgox.htmlVery good post, which I think is pretty much spot on. However I see one problem, with the price now at $115 and an 80% spread, for this selling to still be profitable Mark will have to claim more than 80% of the coins are gone. How is he going to argue that he has blindly been emptying out 80% of Gox' wallets without questioning what is going on? Gox is being emptied out while we speak not blindly but intentionally.....and if no authority freezes their accounts before the price reaches zero...then well .....there will be zero left...no Btc no cash balance just laywer costs and the bitcoinfoundation |
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True... But you need to have faith from time to time...
Mt. Gox -- the worlds exchange where the selling never stops and the insider of bitcoin-ponzi can ride in the sunset ! |
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IMO you're all morons for trying to sue Gox. All you're doing is giving them extra problems and thus delaying their progress to make things right more and more. I don't believe Gox is trying to run away with our money, but they are stalling.
The thiefs are selling peoples bitcoins to cash out and run.....and who is the only one who can cash out? MT. Gox and cronies Its in front of your eyes and you rather convince yourself that you are dreaming ?? unbelievable capacity of rosecolored blinders...where did you buy them? |
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See MtGox, how it is possible, big international robbery without any help and without any legal responsibility. Who was behind this just retrieve the data of who sold 250000 BTC at Gox under 300 dollar....and to which accounts the balances went shouldnīt be so difficult to find out with all those KMR regulations in place...... Unluckily thats in nobodys interest as there are no box -cutters neither drugs involved to blame |
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I'm a permanent resident of Japan with more than a few coins locked up in Gox. I'll follow this thread closely.
Its an urgent matter and criminal insider dealing....you need a very good laywer as he bought the best already to convince the local authorities to arrest him before all traces are extinct..... The most obvious trace and hint should be given by knowing which goxaccount did all the selling in the last 10 days! That havenīt been panicked idiots...that went to a balance which youīll only retrieve at the cayman islands..... By moving the office unluckily got some data deleted , youīll see....in the next announcement |
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I'm in!! Tell me What to do. I have 135 btc on gox.
sell them at bitcoinbuilder as there are still bagholders to be had |
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Although I haven't got funds @mtgox anymore, I'll supply you with some information in order to support anybody who wants to sue mtgox because I'm very interested in seeing Mark Karpeles at court for his actions. lost quiet a bit during the last days when leaving mtgox. throughout the last week immediately after the first press release of mtgox regarding halted btc withdrawals, you could observe huge rhythmic btc dumps @mtgox every 2-5 minutes following always the same pattern ("the whale of mtgox"). the sum of these dumps up to now is approx 140000 btc at an average price of around us$270. ie a us$38 mio sell-off. there were a few stuck levels eg at us$261.24 yesterday and us$148.15 the day before yesterday. these were manipulated levels by the whale serving all asks above these levels every 2-5 minutes. this is very difficult to do through the api of mtgox. but very easy if you're in charge of the order book itself. Therefore, you'll have to deal with either a very risky investor who is going to sue mtgox as well for his us$38+ mio funds @mtgox pretty soon. if you take into account that most of the trading fees at mtgox were paid in btc throughout the last years (default setting), it is more likely that the whale rushing all the btc on the market is mtgox resp Mark Karpeles himself. This would be an easy way to transfer the customers fiat collected throughout the last years to his own account reducing his liability in and us$. if you further take into account, that maybe a good portion of btc stored at mtgox got stolen, mtgox might blame the bitcoin protocol ("transaction malleability") as a cause for the loss. the result: Mark Karpeles got the customers fiat, the customers got stolen btc. the customers could file a charge against an unknown person for stealing their btc. what does this mean? --> all data on the servers of mtgox must be assured immediately in order to investigate the fraud. ressources: http://bitcoincharts.com/http://bitcoinwisdom.com/http://coinsight.org/mtgox.htmlBravo... the only person in the whole BTC-world who gets it ! at least part of..... cause Mark didnīt thought out neither accomplished the heist all by himself! Cheers |
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