- So regarding Darksend+ - Everyone with Darksend enabled, every 10 blocks their coins are automatically "tumbled" with eachothers (as diagram shows) and when you send via Darksend, it waits for the "tumble-interval" and the receiver receives the DRK via the end masternode in multiple amounts? Please tell me I'm correct because that's pretty awesome.
But what (if anything) is stopping this scenario: UserA sends userB a pretty specific amount of 528 DRK. Mass blockchain analysis - UserA's wallet decreased 528 and userB's wallet increased 528 within a 20 minute period. How couldn't those be linked, or why would it be harder than I seem to think (for someone with the tools/knowledge)? You see a specific amount leave a wallet, and how many users wallets are going to increase that exact amount within 20mins? I'm not trying to be critical or anything btw I'm just trying to better understand.
It doesn't work like that. Read Kristov's paper for full understanding and see how attacks would work: http://blog.anonymousbitcoinbook.com/2014/09/paper-an-analysis-of-darkcoins-blockchain-privacy-via-darksend/ |
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Heh... Antonopoulos was speaking about the trollfest and paranoia that goes on in cryptoland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qEi5fQcVak...and how some things go on in a very predictable pattern. That's around the 37-39m. (from around 22m to 37m he talks about the cryptonote scam accusations, monero scam accusations, ring signatures etc.) It's a fun chapter. He says he believes there is room for anonymity related cryptos because that is a niche that Bitcoin can't cover, but he doesn't mention Darkcoin in that part (he only does when going over the market cap list)... I bet he'll mention it in the next few months more than once with all the new things that are in store  |
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For fcks sake. Whoever it was up thread who said that bitcoin payments were instant anyway was so full of shit.
I've been waiting 20 minutes for 1 confirmation of a BTC transaction. Its like watching paint dry.
To be fair, he didn't say that they were instant, just that for a small purchase it didn't matter because merchants could afford not to wait for confirmations due to the low risk of somebody trying a double spend attack on small amounts. He is right that for most of the small things it doesn't make sense to wait, but it is undeniable that having instant transactions is way better than not having them! At this moment people don't do double spend attacks to avoid paying for coffee, but if somehow it became easier to do them (maybe a new wallet designed for that? I'm no expert, just a quick thought, the ease of attacking could come from many places) then it would break many things apart. I've made quite a few DRK payments today and have noticed that 6 confirmations seems to be happening a bit quicker than it recently used to. I wonder if more people have wallets open now days? That won't confirmation time at all - it's built into the protocol, 1 block every 1.5 minutes on average. The variance is so large in block times that any difference you perceive is just the variance. 2.5 min  |
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For fcks sake. Whoever it was up thread who said that bitcoin payments were instant anyway was so full of shit.
I've been waiting 20 minutes for 1 confirmation of a BTC transaction. Its like watching paint dry.
To be fair, he didn't say that they were instant, just that for a small purchase it didn't matter because merchants could afford not to wait for confirmations due to the low risk of somebody trying a double spend attack on small amounts. He is right that for most of the small things it doesn't make sense to wait, but it is undeniable that having instant transactions is way better than not having them! At this moment people don't do double spend attacks to avoid paying for coffee, but if somehow it became easier to do them (maybe a new wallet designed for that? I'm no expert, just a quick thought, the ease of attacking could come from many places) then it would break many things apart. |
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hi drk crew - long time lurker/hodler here. not sure about DarkMix...how about: You DarkBlend your eCash then you DarkSend your eCash! The name's not up for proposal. It's Darksend. Yes! The only thing I think is worth discussing is if we get rid of the + I think we should. It was added to differentiate from a completely different previous design. But the truth is nobody knew before about Darksend, I think it is not necessary. |
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Question:
Security issue? Like what? - did I miss some thing? Now since 3 days i have I am SO lost - you're saying that when you run the above HTML you get that shit? If so - that's just fucked up - Works good for me - Anybody have an answer for this problem? That's just wacked yes correct ?!?!?! The issue is cloudflare ! they are doing that to 90 % on browsers/webpages i am trying to open !!??? this turns out to be a computer / VPN problem i am talking to VPN people to look into this tx for the help Have you tried to use links to another explorer? for the official one the link would be: http://explorer.darkcoin.io/address/YOUR_MN_ADDRESS_HERE |
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Will other coins be able to fork-in DarkSend?
Once it is open source they can copy everything. |
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It turns out that if you take a closer look at the top 300 wallets, you get an interesting picture:  http://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-darkcoin-addresses-1.htmlOf all the wallets created in: *Jan-14: 146,000 DRK *Feb-14: 175,000 DRK *Mar-14: 315,300 DRK *Apr-14: 524,200 DRK *May-14: 522,500 DRK *Jun-14: 332,900 DRK *JUL-14: 96,300 DRK *Aug-14:713,855 DRK *Sep-14: 125,624 DRK Total: 2.94m DRK [~63%] Well, well. What do we have here? Some distribution going on and a few whales picking up cheap DRKs. You really should have hodl your eCash. Instead you gave away your eCash. Any observations? I'm going to create a thread to look at the DRK distribution. Main outstanding issue: 'yeah, but I would just keep moving coins around different wallets' That wallet data is super interesting. Regarding the main issue, I'm afraid we can't neutralize that fully. Most people here already believe that there has been a lot of movement because we've seen it. Those who don't are not gonna be convinced, so don't worry too much about it. If they don't bother reading the first pages of this thread they are not going to bother with new data. |
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On a more positive note... Id like to organize a Darkcoin community get together in the up coming year. what are the thoughts to the idea?
Hawaii or Barcelona. Bring the wine. I was planing to start attending btc meetups in Madrid (live there) and Barcelona (travel there several times per month) to do some evangelizing, and then start with Darkcoin meetups as soon as not being the only attendant was guaranteed. If there is quorum for Barcelona (or Madrid or somewhere in the South of Spain) I can organize. |
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Ah, just anonymised another few hundred DRK. I do like watching that process. what setting (1-8) are you using ? 3 - then sending from a new virgin address via a VPN (also paid for in DRK) until we have built-in IP obfuscation. Secure enough for my orders from inflatablenuns .com! (Which are mailed to a rented mailbox paid for in cash by a rented street urchin, and couriered from there to me by the local gay biker gang, who would never tell, because they simply adore me.) Why so much hassle when you can just play with that biker gang and pay them with darkcoin? Back to anonymizing. How long did it take you to anonymize several hundred? I've set up a few wallets to make tests and I'm having trouble with those bigger than 100 DRK because it stays waiting for another entry for too long. |
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I wonder why you have chosen the US *rollseyes*
+1  Maybe because they are all (the 5 in the list) from US?  Not me, the address in the announcement is a forwarding one to make things easier. I'm physically located in Europe. The US is the most active battlefield and where most of the key players are, but Darkcoin is a global phenomenon and we need to be everywhere. Coins101, don't think years, this has to spread fast. We can discuss it over beers when you come to Spain on holiday like good Brits do Can I come, too? Like good Krauts do? A German, a Brit and a Spaniard walk into a bar... sounds like a party!! |
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I wonder why you have chosen the US *rollseyes*
+1 Maybe because they are all (the 5 in the list) from US? Not me, the address in the announcement is a forwarding one to make things easier. I'm physically located in Europe. The US is the most active battlefield and where most of the key players are, but Darkcoin is a global phenomenon and we need to be everywhere. Coins101, don't think years, this has to spread fast. We can discuss it over beers when you come to Spain on holiday like good Brits do |
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Someone please enlighten my noob brain......
Please can someone explain to me why this and open source is good news? Isn't the purpose of the BTC foundation to enrich a select few? Also, I expect a ton of copy/paste coins based on DRK to further dilute and confuse the masses.
Open source is about tranparency and confidence. BTC foundation I don't really know. Confused masses need to learn how to take care of themselves An official legal entity introduces formality to the coin, so that the foundation can act on the best interest of darkcoin, and do things like hire pr services, lobby, promote Darkcoin with potential investor, services, exchanges, etc. It will help to advance the coin in a formal way. A serious project, cant grow working just out of an internet forum. It also gives the project a new level of formality that protects investors. In the hypothetical case that the developers would do something wrong, you could sue the foundation and they would be liable, that shows a level of commitment that will raise confidence. As opposed to other coins where you don’t even know who the developers are. The introduction of the foundation is a major step in the right direction and will lead to a structured effort to promote the coin. Looking forward to helping in the foundation and contributing anyway I can. Very exciting. We have only published one of announcements required by law and you are already thinking in suing the foundation!!! I'm scared Can't say much until the announcement with details, but we are gonna need a lot of help, thanks for offering  |
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Who was running the MN share thingy? This is the way to do it. Throw your coins at people who know what they're doing instead. I'd be willing to put my exposed coins into an MN share just for the sake of supporting the right way of doing it...
There are several at darkcointalk marketplace: https://darkcointalk.org/forums/marketplace.9/ |
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People here go from circle jerking to panic mode very fast. I don't see the problem  . It all depends on what Evan meant by that statement. I think we can all agree that no enforcement is very very problematic. Miners do not necessarily have to be sympathetic to DRK. Additionally, no enforcement would open up an attack vector on the Masternode network. Someone who doesn't like DRK can simply mine at a 20% advantage to everyone else, while undermining the system that lets DRK function. There has to be enforcement. I suppose the advantage of the RC3 voting method is that is has been tried and tested so in that regards surely less risky to turn on? Let's wait to hear from the captain.. Let's wait... and let's stop stalking him!! if we keep overanalyzing his comments everywhere the result will be him not being able to interact with the community for fear of starting a storm with a typo. I get we are all really into drk and we all want to know things the minute they happen, but there has to be a middle point. |
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Glad you feel better mr activity 0
Waiting on the atlas review as are lots of others. This gives something really solid to promote. As opposed to all the "our coin is the best anon" claims which is so prevalent investors can't distinguish the good from the vaporware. So an outside reviewer giving the thumbs up is really what it takes. The market is pumping elsewhere. So people sell and look for quick gains. Dangerous though. The review could come out any day. As for for the price it is cheap. The future of this coin is incredibly bright. It's a long term project. A banker friend of mine found it hilarious to think that the community is waiting for an "independent" code review on the basis that the "independent" code reviewer has been paid with the alt coin that he is reviewing. An individual can't be truly independent unless he is paid in non related coins/currency/commodity. Would you pay an auditor to audit a company with shares in that company? I bet there are more than a few hundred people keeping an eye on his public donation wallet Before anybody flames me, I personally trust KA's involvement and given that I have a few masternodes I hope my trust is well placed. And let's not go crazy about his review. Price probably won't go crazy no matter what he publishes. As it won't with RC5 or with open source. This is a long term race. There will be crazy periods along the way, we've already had them before in both ways, but they are not easily predictable and won't come with a date attached. If they were, we would already be retired enjoying our riches |
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I deleted my posts, but I'm still pissed at how Evan handling the market. The coin is good and has future but Evan making u wait basically letting not only the weak hands leave but the "weak" who can't handle having their money running in dark while they need it somewhere else.
I noticed that some whales going from one coin to another on bter38...maybe soon they will jump into dark; I hope so, fresh blood came into the market down from 0.003 while months ago it was .001 I want dark to go up I'm actually not in a rush to sell right now & I know many bagholders like me not selling even with all this pressure is on.
Who follow dark market knows we go down hard and we rise harder but the pressure is to much to handle when it's going down.
Evan doesn't manage the market, the market manages itself. I understand what you say about him not hyping, but that's what he always said he would do, so nobody can feel cheated. I really believe that we all will be better if he is locked in the developers dungeon, not doing announcements and interviews about things that are not coded yet. If you really believe in this, my advice is to invest what you can afford to lose and stop looking at the price. I know it is difficult, but this a long term project, you can't be always watching, it is time lost you could spend doing more useful things. Hopefully, with time, you'll make a lot of money. If you need the money soon, cryptos are not the best place to keep it meanwhile. |
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No we have nothing to hide. And trolls will troll elsewhere anyway. Rather be able to refute them.
I'm with you. I'm not able to follow the thread because there is much fud, but I still prefer it like it is than moderated. |
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LoL I'm on that site right now trying to work out if they are legit or not. The owner has been around in darkcointalk.org for a few weeks. He started with weselldoges.com and I believe it has always worked great. People in doge reddit praise it a lot. He also has wesellredd.com. He launched weselldark.com yesterday and I did a small purchase to test it. It works as advertised as far as I know. Their markup is high (around 15% I believe), but accepting Paypal is dangerous as hell. I'm not affiliated in any way, just stating what I know. i heard from some people that they had problem getting confirmed, the email bounced back ?! "Btw, I just tried verifying my e-mail address with them at verify@wesellcrypto.com, just as they instruct, and it bounced..." I don't know about that. I was already confirmed because I had bought a small amount of doge from them before when I was thinking about setting up something similar for Darkcoin... I decided it was too risky to rely that much on Paypal... they are braver than me |
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LoL I'm on that site right now trying to work out if they are legit or not. The owner has been around in darkcointalk.org for a few weeks. He started with weselldoges.com and I believe it has always worked great. People in doge reddit praise it a lot. He also has wesellredd.com. He launched weselldark.com yesterday and I did a small purchase to test it. It works as advertised as far as I know. Their markup is high (around 15% I believe), but accepting Paypal is dangerous as hell. I'm not affiliated in any way, just stating what I know. |
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