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3021  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: January 22, 2016, 04:40:53 PM
Anyone here know how to get this message to vertoe?  Her account here was hacked.

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Dear vertoe,

We are re-launching Dash in a fair way, with no instamine and no Foundation.

We want to fix all the bad things that made you leave, and restore the original vision of Darkcoin.

We would be honored if you would be our lead dev.

Thank you,

XDC

Does the Github account have an email?  Or the other coins she worked on?

Not sure if just removing the Instamine and Foundation will fix Dash's notorious "bad crypto."

Probably need to take out or at least fix Broken CoinJoin, aka DarkSent, too.

Ditto for the bamboo cargo cult version of GreenAddress, aka InstantX.

Maybe Evolution will do so?

If not, put some butter on this scam, because it's toast.
3022  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: January 22, 2016, 04:28:28 PM
The first ever "remote" instant buy physical goods in the vending apparatus for DASH: with DASH InstantX activist community pays for a soda from snowy Canada to the sultry Florida (Miami). Guaranteed crediting funds comes just a couple of seconds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO7CEq80ASs
and question , you can just send the code fotografiju friend to pay, well not to use two phones, for example, though? there is a payment option remotely? thank you

Coke machines have been put on the internet for decades.

http://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~bsy/coke.html

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/internet-coke-machine

It's a joke.
3023  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: January 22, 2016, 03:21:37 PM
This is 'not a fix' but a bad workaround that limits the system.
Imagine if you applied that logic to the blocksize! Wink
I can. The block size limit does indeed limit the system. Just raising it (bad workaround) and hoping everything will be alright would be a bad move. This is why the infrastructure around it needs to be improved after which the block size limit can be safely increased.

your doomsday scare mongering of nefarious people creating 2mb blocks filled with a single transaction of 1.99mb data wont happen..
for 2 reasons

1. as you said yourself it takes 10minutes+ just to validate the transaction before even working on hashing the block itself.. so thats 25btc lost not even mining.. then if they start mining and create a block. because its 1.99mb of data it will take longer than a block of 1.025mb or 0.99mb would take just to hash. so it wont get solved the fastest either


2. because miners know that being nefarious is risking them losing out on 3 blocks due to time to do it.. thats a potential 75btc loss ($30,000) so they would need to be bribed with $30k just to attempt it with still no guarantee it would work.

The construed troll tx don't have to be all in a single 0.99MB (BTC) or 1.99MB (Classic SW or whatever they are calling that shade of bikeshed today) one.

That's just the worst case scenario, for maximum quadratically superlinear sigop trolling fun.  The less-than-worse-case outcomes aren't OK either.


Your textbook hand-waving "won't happen" ignores 4 key facts

1. "10minutes+" varies depending on the CPU power used to construe it (I'll just assume you are right about construal taking time equal to validation given equal CPU/IO).

2.  Only one miner needs to defect and mine a block for it/the to be included.  If there is are huge >75BTC or whatever (in-band) tx fees and/or huge (out-of-band) bribes at stake, you can bet it will happen.  Also, renting hashpower is a thing.  And it's easy to set up a pool with subsidized 101% or 200% payouts to summon any amount of ASICs as easily as turning on a faucet firehose.

3.  MP and other small block militia types have staggering sums of BTC in their war chests; the coffers of La Serenissima are second to none but The Creator.

4.  Unlike the attacking greedy VC ratfucks, the defenders in 3. are willing to spend every last BTC to defend the walls of La Serenissima, as they consider the BTC worthless if the walls fall.
3024  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: January 21, 2016, 02:14:37 PM
What's up with the LiveCoin exchange?    Seemed really odd that the run up with over a million dollars in volume DASH/USD and now there is a $1 spread in the order book.  Any details on what was goin on?  
This has the hallmark of a smash and grab. Someone could have figured out how to credit their Livecoin account with USD and then bought up the DASH supply with it. The volume spiked to over $2 million that day, with most of that coming from Livecoin. Then again, maybe a bitcoin whale simply wanted in on DASH.

Which of those explanations is more likely, given the $1 spread and Occam's razor?

A. Yet Another Scam
B. Sudden Magical Unicorn Whale
3025  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: January 21, 2016, 01:57:16 PM
That strange because I was at that same meeting, and no such thing was said. In fact there was unanimous support for Bitcoin Classic from all present, and they said that everyone that wasn't there backed it too.

Good approved and validated sources confirm it.

Thanks for your contribution. Do you have any meeting notes or recordings?
There appears to be highly different statements coming from miners where they are trying to appease both groups. Wang chun from F2Pool the other day made a deal with core to raise the blocksize to 2MB in 2017 and he made it clear all hard forks must be at least 1 year in advance with a 95% miner consensus , which rules out Bitcoin Classic.

Bitfury on the other hand gave a quick nod of approval to classic than quickly wrote this article which contradicts Classics Principles -
https://medium.com/@BitFuryGroup/keep-calm-and-bitcoin-on-4f29d581276#.lsa4ml1p6


Quote from: Valery Vavilov
Bitcoin Is Not an Electronic Payments System Like PayPal
You simply need an additional system operating on top of the Bitcoin Blockchain (with the Blockchain acting as a settlement layer)

Do we hear XT/BU/Classic proponents stressing the importance for tx to be spent on payment channels or on the main chain? From what I hear the sentiment is high volume on the main chain to directly pay the miners instead of a settlement system like Bitfury and core propose.

Quote from: Valery Vavilov
As the Bitcoin network continues to evolve, transaction fees need to grow in order to maintain a high level of security within and for the network.As BitFury has outlined in our white paper on Bitcoin security incentives, the transaction fee market is currently actively developing....
Overlay networks, such as Lightning and sidechains, can successfully deal with this challenge while in-service ledgers already do.

Do we hear XT/BU/Classic proponents stressing the importance for tx fees be raised and a fee market being created? Notice how he stresses the cheap tx's will be on the sidechains and payment channels like LN , and not on the main chain like being proposed by XT/BU/Classic proponents .

Quote from: Valery Vavilov
Bitcoin Transaction Processing Is Not Presently Clogged

Do we here this clarification from XT/BU/Classic proponents, or from Core proponents?

Quote from: Valery Vavilov
As the Scaling Bitcoin conferences have shown, miners are generally in support of cautious increases of the block size limit — just not abrupt increases — because such sudden change could undermine the foundation of the Bitcoin network.

Could that Abrupt increase be referring to a hard fork?

Quote from: Valery Vavilov
Mass Rule is Not Appropriate for Bitcoin

The pipe dream of some in the Bitcoin community is to govern the system by having ordinary users vote for changes by adopting the corresponding full node software. This approach is not only impractical, it is also not desirable.

This directly refutes the Bitcoin Classic And Bitcoin Unlimited governance model.
.

*Classic Civil War Intensifies*

"There ain't room in this Golden Bikeshed for the both of us!!"
3026  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: January 21, 2016, 01:11:53 PM
Darksend implementation back in june '14, was a bucket of 3x3 of 10 DRKs, mixing while sending, only 10 DRK denomination.

V2 a few months later = multiple denominations, multiple laundering cycles, 2 mixing parties, sending and (pre)mixing at different stages for instant sending when needed. This was later upgraded to 3 mixing parties to reduce sybil vector, per Kristov Atlas review.

The bells and whistles don't change the fundamental approach; according to the Dash Wiki, CoinJoin is still the "central core" of DarkSend.

Does Evolution evolve past Fancy CoinJoin?

It should.

As gmaxwell explained, it makes very little sense to use the Bitcoin tailored CoinJoin approach when Dash isn't compatible with Bitcoin anyway, and there are much better options such as zerocash and cryptonote available to a non-compatible altcoin like Dash.
3027  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Cryptsy Hacker identity incoming - pending bounty on: January 21, 2016, 12:57:06 PM
but a court payout would be in USD, right?

i prefer my coins i paid for not USD. The loss/values should spread in coins to avoid more loss than needed.

All coins reclaimed from improper withdrawals (every single one in the last 18 months) will be dumped for fiat, then the fiat will be given to the lawyers.  That's how it works in a bankruptcy.

Sorry, but you will have to rebuy all the coins you lost.
3028  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: January 21, 2016, 12:46:23 PM
Request for clarification:


https://dashtalk.org/threads/good-thing-yall-started-publishing-dash-materials-in-russian-looks-like-irina-stumbled-on-them.7594/

 Huh  I never realized the CoinJoin/DarkSend relationship was so touchy and highly controversial. 

Is that a Because GMAX thing?

Is DarkSend (still) based on CoinJoin or not?

Why are the posters on dashtalk so angry about the issue?

It seems like nobody wants to address the disagreement on that DashTalk thread about whether or not DarkSend still uses CoinJoin.

I think I was right about it being a taboo subject because gmaxwell (inventor of CoinJoin) said "the only purpose DarkCoin serves is to depress me about the state of humanity."

So I did my own damn research, and found the Official Dash Wiki confirms CoinJoin is the "core concept" of DarkSend.

https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/Darksend

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Darksend is...an improved and extended version of the CoinJoin. In addition to the core concept of CoinJoin, we employ a series of improvements

If the wiki is outdated, please LMK (and maybe update it).

 iCEQUACK, you got me at "research". It would be like seeing a pig fly, so I had to check it out.

 What gmaxwel said, in context, was, on June 6 2014

 "More amusingly, what DarkCoin does is highly centralized because the software is closed— you can't get more centralized than closed source. "

 Then he explains why, and then

 "From what I can tell the only purpose DarkCoin serves is to depress me about the state of humanity"

 And he was 100% correct, except, DarkSend was closed source only until development was finished, and then it was open-sourced, in September 2014.

 So, either you have no clue what research means, or, the more logical, you're trolling and FUD'ing. So scoot off and go find yet another moronic argument.


Your interpretation is illogical, because it's NOT as if DRK was gmaxwell's very first encounter with closed source!  Maybe he was upset that Evan stole/broke his code for a closed project?  FOSS devs are often picky about that licensing stuff, dont'cha know?

What you transparently dishonestly misrepresented as "context" excluded most of the key points about what else gmaxwell had to say about DarkCoin.

He also remarked on how horribly the unteachable DarkSend devs bungled the CoinJoin (re)implementation, scoffed at the idiocy of masternodes, and then unfavorably compared darkcoin to Monero and most every other anon technology (is that what upset you guys so much that you don't like to talk about it?).

Quote


But that's ancient history.  The real question is, does Evolution still use CoinJoin or what?
3029  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: January 21, 2016, 12:17:20 PM
That strange because I was at that same meeting, and no such thing was said. In fact there was unanimous support for Bitcoin Classic from all present, and they said that everyone that wasn't there backed it too.

Good approved and validated sources confirm it.

Kind of like how Reddit and KnC and Slush supported XT/BIP101, until they didn't.
3030  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: January 21, 2016, 10:13:50 AM
Request for clarification:


https://dashtalk.org/threads/good-thing-yall-started-publishing-dash-materials-in-russian-looks-like-irina-stumbled-on-them.7594/

 Huh  I never realized the CoinJoin/DarkSend relationship was so touchy and highly controversial. 

Is that a Because GMAX thing?

Is DarkSend (still) based on CoinJoin or not?

Why are the posters on dashtalk so angry about the issue?

It seems like nobody wants to address the disagreement on that DashTalk thread about whether or not DarkSend still uses CoinJoin.

I think I was right about it being a taboo subject because gmaxwell (inventor of CoinJoin) said "the only purpose DarkCoin serves is to depress me about the state of humanity."

So I did my own damn research, and found the Official Dash Wiki confirms CoinJoin is the "core concept" of DarkSend.

https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/Darksend

Quote
Darksend is...an improved and extended version of the CoinJoin. In addition to the core concept of CoinJoin, we employ a series of improvements

If the wiki is outdated, please LMK (and maybe update it).
3031  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DCR] Decred - Hybrid PoW/PoS | btcsuite Devs | Tons of New Features | Go on: January 21, 2016, 09:35:56 AM
Im not selling even if 1 DCR is $40,

DCR can clearly overtake DASH's marketcap with their superior devs.

I respect their decision for testnet mining before mainnet.

It shows their patience and legitimacy.

I won't sell until my portfolio is overweight Decred and I need to restore 1/3 XDC, 1/3 BTC, and 1/3 XMR balance.

My investment thesis:

The market is hungry, no starving, for a legitimate alternative to Dash and the dozens of other scammy Proof-of-Stake coins with shitty, sketchy developers.

Peercoin is cool and Sunny King is awesome, but it's a Gen One crypto.

Decred is positioning itself to become the first legitimate Gen Two PoS coin.

Despite my theoretical (and hand-waving) misgivings about PoS (especially 100% pure PoS), I am not so arrogant as to argue too strenuously with the all-knowing invisible hand that has moved 10s of millions of dollars into PoS coins' market caps.

Being able to directly influence development in proportion to my holdings is great.  Sure, I can propose/fund specific Monero projects but this feels even more elegant.

I look forward to gobbling up all the cheap XDC possible.  Gentlemen, start your dumping!
3032  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Analysis and list of top big blocks shills (XT #REKT ignorers) on: January 21, 2016, 08:58:06 AM
The sacred 1 MB cow is being prepared for slaughter.

Don't you think this business about forever threatening contentious hard forks is potentially disasterous? And almost certainly bad for business?

I can't wait to see Coinbase's public statement (not to mention legally required Investor Disclosure) about WTF they're going to do in the event of warring forks and competing markets for Bitcoins and ToominCoins.

"Oh no, we accidentally all the Bitcoins.  LOL, oops!" -Brian Armstrong, probably

They "accidentally all the Bitcoins"?

Accidentally what? Accidentally considered listening to you, before coming to their senses?  Shocked

"Accidentally" = Coinbase supported a contentious hard fork, then lost all their (customers' Toomin-tainted) coins to catastrophic consensus failure, as the 2MB fork was intentionally activated prematurely, then orphaned.
3033  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: January 21, 2016, 08:52:19 AM
just because someone wants more capacity doesnt mean they are die hard gavin coin lovers.

Distinction without a difference.  You either support contentious hard forks or you do not.



im just pissed off with all the social drama and bickering. which is more aimed at the people instead of the code

but when you do wipe away all the social drama of the leaders of camp blockstream or camp gavincoin and just look at the code of a simple and basic 2mb block increase.. you will realise that a 2mb rule will allow segwit to still do what they want to do, still allow miners to just make 1mb blocks..
it wont kill off bitcoin-core..

it wont actually stop blockstream from doing what they want. all blockstream need to do to stick with 1mb for block creation preference(for miners) and 2mb for user acceptance block limit. that way everyone can work together.. and both bandcamps can just do what they do best... CODE!

again i think the drama is just white noise. and detracting from the actual debate about what the code will do..

so carry on with your buzz words like ZOMG toominista REKT etc as much as you like. as it just seems like you are just posting stuff for personal entertainment rather than actually making a point about the future of bitcoin CODE

It seems like you don't understand ridicule's potency as a weapon.  Or you do, and are just #BUTTHURT at being ridiculed so effectively by a master of the art.

I came to Bitcoin for the code and stayed for the drama.  There is no conflict there.  Do you even antifragile, bro?  No?  Then #CRYMOAR.

You are welcome to go off and join another FOSS project that is free from "social drama and bickering."  Oh wait...

At what point will it dawn upon you that your cliched 'process concern' whining about "social drama and bickering" only adds to the social drama and bickering?   Wink
3034  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Analysis and list of top big blocks shills (XT #REKT ignorers) on: January 21, 2016, 08:39:47 AM
The sacred 1 MB cow is being led to the slaughter house.

Promises, promises.

Last year, that was supposed to happen this year.

This year, it's supposed to happen next year.

One thing is certain - max block size will be raised eventually, but Sorry, not tonight Dear.
3035  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Big block support observer on: January 21, 2016, 08:30:06 AM

Q. How many blocks does Bitstamp mine in an avg two week period?

A.  Zero.  None.  Zilch.


Here I am, necromancing the "Big block support observer" thread from last year.

I observe that big block support is #rekt.   Cool

And where is knight22?  Ashamed to show his face in public, logging in but not posting.

Aww poor thing.  Did the mean old iCEBREAKER crush you under 75,000 horsepower of nuclear-turbo-electric force?
3036  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Analysis and list of top big blocks shills (XT #REKT ignorers) on: January 21, 2016, 08:16:46 AM
The sacred 1 MB cow is being prepared for slaughter.

Don't you think this business about forever threatening contentious hard forks is potentially disasterous? And almost certainly bad for business?

I can't wait to see Coinbase's public statement (not to mention legally required Investor Disclosure) about WTF they're going to do in the event of warring forks and competing markets for Bitcoins and ToominCoins.

"Oh no, we accidentally all the Bitcoins.  LOL, oops!" -Brian Armstrong, probably
3037  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: January 21, 2016, 08:08:21 AM
2mb ToominBlocks will be filled instantly, because of the massive, irresistible financial incentive to short ToominCoins.  Everyone will be doing it.

miners have already proven that even if there are 10,000 tx's waiting.. they are not going to throw every transaction into a block.
if there was a 95% consensus for 2mb.. miners would wait a bit just to make sure its not a fluke of sybil attack by gavin and cohorts..
and once they see that it is 95% of genuine users wanting and able to accept 2mb.. then miners will upgrade..
but. their first block after the upgrade will be 1.000.250byte. as they dont want to push the luck of wasting too much time..
slowly over days weeks and months they will raise their preference up bit by bit..

just like miners who have had 1mb limit for a few years now have had preferential settings below 1mb.. so dont expect instant jump to 2mb.. because the fee's wont be worth it.

imagine it.. fee=4cent.. which on 4000 lean transactions is only $160..
do you really think miners are going to suddenly throw 8000 tx's at a block instantly.. risking $10,000 block reward.. just for the sake of $320..

there is no logic at all to jump straight to full 2mb.. but there is logic to slowly do
4001tx
4002tx
and so increasing incrementally when they find they can comfortably handle it.

and as for a malicious person doing a single tx with large amount of data..
most miners would ignore it just as they ignore 0fee transactions(because they can), if its going to risk their chance of the $10,000 block reward..

and anyone wanting to try bribing a miner into doing a single tx of 1mb.. would need to have fee's of a few thousand dollars.. which as afew have said would cause delay for 10 minutes.. which if you look into the recent past.. no one really screams blue murder if a block takes 12 minutes..

and do you think that the malicious user could continue making these large transactions if it costs thousands each time.. nope.. their money will dry out first.

so its just scaremongering and not seeing the reality of scenario's

How ironic to see a Toominista whining about "scaremongering" after we endured a summer filled with "Capacity Cliff" and "Hard Landing" FUD.   Roll Eyes

Tell me more about how "ZOMG THE BLOCKS ARE FULL ALL TX ARE STUCK BITCOIN IS BEING CRIPPLED AND STRANGLED AND D000MED."

All you hard forkers do is use fear to sell XT/Unlimited/Classic and manufactured dissent to goad people/companies into being eager to be the first to defect.

But that's not going to happen, as you just described above.  As some wag on Reddit put it, 'XT will never happen because everyone is waiting for someone else to go first.'

 Grin

You can't generalize about "miners" and what they will/won't do as if they're a monolithic group.

Bitcoin was in fact designed to create, and relies upon, incentives to prevent/destroy collusion among miners.

Since you don't already know that, I conclude you are a clueless n000b with a lot to learn about Satoshi's invention.  I learned it in 2011.  Perhaps you should reconsider your assumption of superior expertise and concede to my own on matters of most grave concern to Bitcoin's past, present, and future.

Let me draw you a picture, which you should find very instructive and educational.

Obscenely rich small-blockers like Mircea doesn't care about spending 10, 100, or 1000 BTC/ToominCoins to pay in-band fees or out-of-band bribes to miners willing to defect from Team Toominista, so they will

1) fill up 2MB Toominblocks with ToominCoin tx they wish to use for shorting purposes, and/or

2) include tx construed so as to require ridiculous amounts of verification time (AFAIK, it's much faster to construe than to verify such troll tx, or they may be construed at leisure but must be verified in haste)

Even if no existing miner wishes to defect for any price (highly unlikely), people with 100k+ BTC like MP can easily temporarily enter the mining business long enough to have their fun and profit wr3cking ToominCoin.
3038  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: January 21, 2016, 07:06:26 AM
2 MB blocks are indeed dangerous ATM. It is possible to construct a transaction that would take too long to validate (over 10 minutes) due to the quadratic scaling (validation time).

saying blocks will be instantly filled right to the top of the 2mb limit.. is just scaremongering propoganda to try keeping people away from that idea. using no logic..

so this image shows it better..



2mb ToominBlocks will be filled instantly, because of the massive, irresistible financial incentive to short ToominCoins.  Everyone will be doing it.

And you failed to provide a response to the mention of >10 minute validation times.

Do you believe ignoring the problem with quadratic sigop lag will just go away if you ignore it, or do you not even understand what that means?


As for Peter "Frictionless Spherical Blockchains in a Vacuum" Rizun's obscurantist scientificism, remember how utterly anti-predictive his past hypotheses have been.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68655.msg12160206#msg12160206  (locked thread, can't quote)


3039  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: January 21, 2016, 07:00:16 AM
A for-profit coin company, i dont care what they make, iwill never trust them. moreover RingCT will move Monero closer to Zcash

Shut up & take my ZookoCoins!   Cheesy
3040  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: January 21, 2016, 06:13:35 AM
Surprised the rally tapered so fast, well looks like I gets me some more on the cheap. Smiley

Some brave fellow is borrowing my coins in order to sell them to you at a nice discount.

Have I mentioned how much I love Polo's lending market?   Cool
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