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3061  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Sapphire Rx470 4gb on: July 08, 2017, 12:50:32 AM
I don't know the price of this gpu in others countries, here,  400 series almost doubled the price in a few months. Maybe with those rumors about mining gpus, the price will back to normal.

 The mining GPUs are starting to ship - but it's going to take a while for them to have a major impact on pricing.

 They DO seem to be reducing some of the stress on GTX 1070 pricing though.

3062  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: California invested heavily in solar power. Now there's so much... on: July 08, 2017, 12:48:10 AM
A fair bit of the "extra money" California pays in power rates goes to transport FUEL to the state to run it's power generation.
 Keep in mind that Cali has pretty close to ZERO in-state natural gas or coal production, and oil has been in decline for power generation for decades due to VERY HIGH cost (California DOES have significant oil production).

A LOT of it pays for the crazy level of environmental restrictions ON power generation in the state.
 Keep in mind that a lot of environmental restrictions (like on auto exhaust) came about first in California then got adopted nationwide a few years to a decade later.

Quite a bit of it pays for importing power from areas that have excess Hydropower (some of THAT comes from MY P.U.D. in central Washington State) and the transportation costs to do so - and is probably the LOWEST cost power that Pacific Gas and Electric has access to despite the cost of transporting it.

A lot of it goes to pay the higher taxes California imposes on almost everything vs almost every other state.

A lot of it goes to fund Solar and Wind power farms - which are NOT competative with coal or natural gas in MOST states but actually are in California due to the very high power rates.

A lot of it goes to pay for the COOLING WATER power plants need, one way or another.

3063  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Zotac new Mining Card P106-100 Arrived + rIG on: July 08, 2017, 12:41:09 AM
p106-100 card is exactly same chip and specifications as for gtx 1060, just a little tweaked clock and memory, you may use 1060 but why use it if you can have hands on 1080 or 1080ti,

those guys at nvidia are making us idiots, first they seperated HPC cards from gaming cards and selling them at enormously high prices, now they seperated card for mining, while actually they are same. I am a researcher, and use GPU's for superconducting simulations, I know how they fooled us by selling k80's and m60's.

because 1080 and 1080Ti aren't so good for mining, and all other cards are basically sold out.

 You forgot the "ETH" in that statement.

 1080 and 1080ti aren't good ETH miners, but they rock on a lot of other coins like ZEC and DGB....


 There are NO RX 460 based mining cards.
 GTX 1060 HAVE been getting bought up by a lot of miners (and the pricing has gone very high and shortage has been serious for a couple weeks or so) as they are a decent ETH miner for their CURRENT price compared to CURRENT pricing on most other decent ETH mining cards.

 The new "mining specific" cards do seem to be having SOME effect on pricing though, but it's going to take a LOT more sales for them to bring gaming cards back down to 3-month-ago pricing.



 There WILL be a resale market for the "mining-specific" cards - they're still going to be usable as second cards in DirectX 12 gaming machines, or for SLI/Crossfire usage as a second card, or for GPGPU usage.
 It's not going to be a HUGE market though.

3064  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Any word on amd vega hash rates? on: July 08, 2017, 12:33:18 AM

It's the 1080Ti's you should be selling.
Those cards pull too much power and are to expensive to make under 5$/day.
Not viable anymore.

I do not agree. The 1080Ti is more efficient than the other cards.

 For a lot of uses, the GTX 1080ti is the most efficient option, both on a hash/watt basis AND on a hash/$ basis at the system level - ESPECIALLY AT RECENT PRICING.

 Even at 2 month ago pricing, there is a lot of usage where the GTX 1080 ti is very close to the 1080 and 1070 on a hash/$ basis.

 Best to sell off the "bloated pricing" cards while the pricing IS bloated, IMO.
3065  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Why do we need to mine POS coins? on: July 08, 2017, 12:22:24 AM
ETH devs have announced plans to go POS "by" a certain timeframe a few times - and *SO FAR* that timeframe has been pushed back every time, usually by flaws being found that needed fixing, and one time by the big fork and related problems due to the DAO disaster that led to the split between ETH and ETC.

 The "current" announced plan is to start phasing in PoS over a period of time in multiple steps, starting with a "1% PoS" step somewhere in December (I'm not 100% sure it was December, but definitely end of year timeframe).

 It remains to be seen if this announced timeframe actually happens, but it IS the "current" plan.



3066  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: 1080Ti Specific - Best mining option on: July 08, 2017, 12:16:38 AM

700 sol/s is a good mark for stock clocks, last time I did constant  810 sol/s with my 1080Ti Aorus at 2.0GHz boost core clock / 12GHz memory oced, 85% tdp, temps at 50-60 Celsius, fans at 100%.

810 sols/s Huh that doesnt sound real.  What was your the add to you core clock?  Most cant go over 100 or 120 at 100% TDP.  Overclocking the RAM does nothing really for mining Zec.  If you set it to 0 instead of negatives it can sometimes boost it slightly.  Sounds like you are remembering incorrectly your values, as stock values will generally bring  the most sols on an Auros card as they don't have much room to overclock and memory doesn't really effect it that much.  I generally couldn't get over 740 on an auros regauardless of settings and I own 3 of them.

 Might depend on which Aorus, and certainly would depend on luck in the silicon lottery.
 I routinely see my Aorus push a little over 2 Ghz boost clock with 100% (250 watt) TDP setting and +100 core/+200 memory OC in Afterburner.

 Temps for me are higher - 68-70C with around 80% fans - but my room it's in is fairly warm ambient.



 FE cards have poor cooling compared to pretty much ALL of the aftermarket options, it limits them noticeably (not by a HUGE amount, but noticeably).



 Many GTX 1080ti use ONE 8-pin and ONE 6-pin for power, they don't ALL use 2 x 8-pin.
 You WILL have to have 12 power connectors of SOME sort to run 6 of them in a single rig though.



 DGB IS on WhatToMine - in all 5 options under the "individual coin" listings, the Scrypt and SHA256 options are in the "ASIC" compare page (not sure on the Qubit option as I don't have a Baikal), and I think the Groetsl option is in the GPU compare page.
 You'd have to ask the author of the page why he prefers to ignore Skein over less popular stuff like Pascal - he just said "I don't have space" when I asked him about adding Skein to the compare.

3067  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Difficulty contest. prize 2 ltc 1 compac usb stick. Picks are yet to open. on: July 08, 2017, 12:02:23 AM
 + 10.9 = QuintLeo


What's interesting to consider is the amount of hash that needs to be added to make a 10% from the last adjustment.  Using the figure from bitcoinwisdom of 5,072,782 TH at the last change, the network would need to add 507,278 TH for a 10% increase. That's a lot of S9 hardware, or BitFury containers to deploy. You would think the logistics alone would be pretty daunting. My guess is that this is actually stuff that's been purchased as the price was rising and has taken a while to actually made active. Maybe Bitmain has been "sand bagging" for a while.......

Bitmain  is always sandbagging  as their cost for s-9's  is  maybe 500 or 400 usd.  they could just build and mine  until they kill btc.  So they don't  do that they control the flow of sales and self mining.

Still  the spike was 20%  which is 77,000 s-9's   even if it is ½ that at 10 %  it is around 40,000 s-9's


 It's not that they're sandbagging.

 It's that they can't get as many chips made as they want to, because *ALL* of the foundries that make current-gen chips are flat-out running at capacity - all 4 of them in the entire world - and a HUGE chunk of that capacity is locked into long-term contracts (TSMC by Nvidia and large cell-phone makers other than Samsung, Samsung by it's internal use + NVidia, Global Foundries by AMD and IBM, Intel by it's internal use and it doesn't SELL OUT capacity) which leaves the "small" chip making folks like Bitmain fighting over the scraps.

 I'm 100% sure that Bitmain would love to have been able to sell TWICE as many S9/T9/R4 units over their lifetime so far vs what they've been able to do so - and make twice as many for their internal use while they were at it.


3068  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Mining $5.80 per day on a single 1070? on: July 07, 2017, 11:54:13 PM
based on what hes said I have cut it down to one of these.

viacoin burst zcoin dubaicoin namecoin asch/xas emercoin nexus peercoin verge syscoin bitcoindark gamecredits bitconnect

 Burst doesn't use GPUs to mine with, to any significant degree. It's all about HD capacity.

 Namecoin is SHA256. NOT GPU Mineable.

 Gamecredits has been bouncing around all over, he's NOT been consistantly pulling $5 per 1070 but it has done better than that OCCASIONALLY the last couple months.

 Can't speak to the others offhand.



 For most NVidia cards, ETH is a POOR choice to mine - the 1070 does OK on ETH but it usually does better on several other choices most of the time even though it's probably the BEST Nvidia card to use on ETH.



3069  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Most power hungry algorithms for Nvidia? on: July 06, 2017, 09:39:30 PM
Neoscrypt and the algo Ethereum uses seem to put the most stress on GPUs in general in cryptocoin mining.

3070  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Why do we need to mine POS coins? on: July 06, 2017, 09:36:20 PM
Current plans from the ETH devs is that ETH won't even START moving to POS 'till the end of the year - and it's going to phase POS in across multiple stages.

 At THIS point and for a few more months, ETH is still 100% a PoW coin.

3071  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Zotac new Mining Card P106-100 Arrived + rIG on: July 06, 2017, 09:35:03 PM
Yet another card that "opened up the backplate" for no reason, since the fins direct the air the OTHER way.

 Not generally an issue for a riser rig though....

3072  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Sapphire Rx470 4gb on: July 06, 2017, 09:33:24 PM
There are quite a few Sapphire "470 4GB" models - but they are going to perform fairly close for mining.

They're all good choices when you can get them for a reasonable price - and if you already have the card, might as well use it!
3073  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Nicehash miner alternatives? on: July 06, 2017, 09:31:51 PM
2 things about nicehash: when I look at "whattomine" it says Nicehash equihash but I'm running nicehash and it's mining daggersia.  Why isn't it on equihash?


 Because based on the benchmark you ran on that card, and nicehash CURRENT payouts, Nicehash thinks your card will make more on daggersia.

 IMO don't bother with their "short" or "medium" benchmarks, those give some really bad numbers a lot of the time.
 Even the long ones can be off at times, but they're USUALLY at least close.


 Also keep in mind that "daggersia" is not one of the algos WhatToMine lists on it's primary comparison page (nor is Skein, even though Skein has spent a LOT of time the last couple months being more profitable than at least half of the algos they DO list on most NVidia cards).



3074  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [HARDWARE][NVIDIA] Pascal GP106-100 - True Mining GPU on: July 06, 2017, 09:25:42 PM
On sale RX 470 mining card on newegg for $230:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202291

 $249 not $230 - and most of the time out of stock.

 They have one of the other Sapphire cards (with Samsung memory IIRC) at $259 + shipping - that one has been in-stock a couple of times for VERY brief periods.


 I've not seen any of the non-Sapphire cards actually on sale yet, but I don't have "big distributor" access.

3075  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: PNY is salty about mining. Changed their Warranty details. on: July 06, 2017, 09:18:22 PM
PNY used to make AMD cards - I had one of their TI4600 (not HD 4xxx, the PRE HD-series from many years back) cards.

 I don't know if they still do, as their quality has dropped over the years and I stopped paying attention to them.



3076  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Mining $5.80 per day on a single 1070? on: July 06, 2017, 09:15:16 PM
Small cap coin of some sort - there are a few that hit that kind of profitability for short periods.

3077  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: EITHER CANNOT CREATE DAG OR SHUTOFF WHEN STARTS MINING on: July 06, 2017, 09:10:59 PM
Try different mining software?

 Try having more PHYSICAL ram in the machines?

3078  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BURST] Burstcoin | Efficient HDD Mining | New Version 1.2.8 | Assets | CFs on: July 06, 2017, 09:01:41 PM
It also takes a LONG time for the "local wallet server" to load up, then it has to sync - 5-10 mins is NOT unusual from time you start up the "server" to when you can finally access your local wallet, sometimes longer if you've not fired up the server for a few days.


3079  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BURST] Burst | Efficient HDD Mining | New 1.2.3 Fork block 92000 on: July 06, 2017, 08:59:55 PM
Newegg has been running a sale on one of the HGST 3TB drives (refurb) for $55, but I dunno if that's still going or not.

I think the next lowest even on refurb is around $25/TB and NEW drives $30+ (Seagate Archive 8TB when it's on sale sometimes a little less than that though but non-Archive drives are usually quite a bit higher per TB).

3080  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Drop of hashrate for Polaris cards incoming on: July 06, 2017, 08:37:58 PM
Yeah, everybody mine ETH as much as you can :3

 No thanks, my "more NVidia than not" farm makes quite a bit more mining other stuff on the NVidia cards.

 The R9 290s though like ETH....

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