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3081  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [WARNING] Whirlwind.money - withdrawals are not being processed ⚠️ on: August 17, 2023, 07:42:36 AM
I don't know about you, but I think the whole idea of paying users in notes was kind of risky, in case they didn't work, and I guess now we see why; because they depend on the operator's presence to redeem.
After the discussion about privacy for campaign participants, it made sense. There's a risk involved, but that's the same risk they advertised for others in their signature. It forced the campaign participants to "put their money where their mouth is".
3082  Economy / Services / Re: LoyceV's Avatar for Rent [first 🦊🦊🦊🦊4 YEARS🦊🦊🦊🦊 (229 weeks) rented out] on: August 17, 2023, 07:39:08 AM
You allowed your computer to spend time with your wife?  Grin I would never trust my computer to allow it such privileges! O M G!
I'm the one with root access, so no worries there Cheesy

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do you also trust your freezer that much? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
My wife likes warmth, not cold. So no worries here either Cheesy
3083  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [WARNING] Whirlwind.money - withdrawals are not being processed ⚠️ on: August 17, 2023, 07:26:46 AM
Withdrawal Log:
Code:
<SIGNED MESSAGE>You used credit from your public Public Address wwLckQCopiVAVuENvCP2M8anGiGJRyitwFK on Mon Aug 14 2023 12:15:34 GMT+0000 (Coordinated Universal Time). The withdraw address(es) are the following: 1 - bc1qlgawn2pngyf89cpmy24qex7jlj548u6fwm6uzc which will receive 0.001 BTC 0 hours in the future. ; 2 - bc1qr9rrl034k6undwf09fh377grw7vtka5wpy4w5f which will receive 0.001 BTC 0 hours in the future. ; 3 - bc1q3unhr4da52lg8ddg86gmmleazgkws2zpl6w4zs which will receive 0.001 BTC 0 hours in the future. ; 4 - bc1qc3ssucykfsqfzaggsqeg5u7jkecp98re0wh08w which will receive 0.001 BTC 0 hours in the future. ; This message was signed using the letter signing address which can be found on our website or at /verification/letter_signing_address on the system's API.</SIGNED MESSAGE>

<SIGNING ADDRESS>1JmCabMgyVZ8zmgaV5JGH7BXe48buVaUUd</SIGNING ADDRESS>

<SIGNATURE>H4hJ6/jiU6BKyzqzIdPX4aItpMLJYL/kS+MjumOqThbSL8Z3nCvZWjOcjPS09fy3fEiG6GWPWNGsAC8/CVAuRFw=</SIGNATURE>
This is all you need to prove you were scammed.
I verified the signed message, and confirm the address belongs to the site:
Signing Address: 1JmCabMgyVZ8zmgaV5JGH7BXe48buVaUUd

Scam confirmed!

My guess: they abandoned the project due to the lack of users, but kept it open for deposits. It's an exit scam by the book.

Result was to let it continue as it is because they were not paying anyone any bitcoin but using the NOTES.
Now that you mention it: Do signature campaigns that pay in "IOUs" even belong on the Services board? Or should they be moved to the Altcoin board?

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[1.] They had plan from the beginning to scam at some point.
I think they were hoping to make big profits, and if something is profitable, there's no need to scam. We've seen it with casinos too: fake it, then either make it, or break it and walk away.
3084  Other / Meta / Re: LoyceV's Merit data analysis (full data since Jan. 24, 2018; not just 120 days) on: August 17, 2023, 06:56:14 AM
Maybe it's something more personal... I'm a bit "anti" dots in filenames.  Lips sealed
Dots are fine, they don't need escape characters on the command line. Spaces are already more annoying, dashes get worse (they're also used to add options to a command), but there are many worse things that aren't even on my keyboard. Linux basically allows any character except for the slash in file names, which can be a pain to deal with.

You must really dislike the default .tar.gz compression names Tongue
3085  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Can personal message (PM) apare on ninjastic space? on: August 17, 2023, 06:38:17 AM
LoyceV’s bot and Ninjastic’s do not have access to personal messages.
If I could, there's a $50k bounty waiting:
$50 000: If you can access any user's PMs arbitrarily, without any interaction from the user, and without any secret data such as user passwords.

The site also use API to fetch data from the forum
There is no API on Bitcointalk.
3086  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Whirlwind.money | ⚡No Fee⚡ | Ultimate Privacy | Anonymity Mining 12% APR🔥 on: August 17, 2023, 06:22:15 AM
Flag Supported.

In retrospect, the biggest red flag should have been when they went from being very active to almost completely inactive on Bitcointalk. It looks like they lost interest because the site didn't gain the traction they hoped for.
3087  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: SINBAD,IO MIXER August Price Prediction Challenge on: August 16, 2023, 05:33:59 PM
Prediction 2: $29,126.19 (the current price))
bech32 address: bc1qhc24xdzg58m066jc69v7cyg4kp33tlnsed49hk
3088  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: List of VPN Service Providers - 2021 on: August 16, 2023, 05:32:55 PM
a lot of VPN services have been blocked in Russia
How about VPS access? If you can access them, you can run your own VPN software starting from about $10 per year.
3089  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [WARNING] Whirlwind.money - withdrawals are not being processed ⚠️ on: August 16, 2023, 05:28:10 PM
I'm really open to hearing your thoughts on what my next move should be. What would you do if you were in my shoes? Your opinions are much appreciated!
Is it too late to try this?
My suggestion: Everyone who have fund there in the notes, submit withdrawal [full amount], leave nothing. You will get the Letter of Guarantee. Verify the message. The letter will have withdrawal address and anyone can easily verify that the funds were not received. Do not use this address in the future just in case someone get a chance to tell that you received the funds.
If you can prove your money disappeared, you can create a type 3 Flag. And file a claim: minerjones still has $40k in escrow. I'm curious to see what conditions will have to be fullfilled.

Honestly, I didn't like the whole idea of staking on their platform from the beginning.
That makes two of us:
If the multi-sig balance is 10BTC and you have a Note with a 1BTC balance you will automatically receive 10% of 0.0333BTC every day you keep your Note funded, which is 0.0033BTC a day.
On second thought: this sounds a lot like the many "services" in the past that paid interest on Bitcoin deposits. Usually, that didn't end well.
Are you sure you want to be associated with those?

One very important concern in the business model was the way they always encouraged people to keep the coins in their platform. All they provided was a private note with some numbers and text string, you can not use publicly to verify balance. Does it sound like a Ponzi scheme?
It could be the idea was good, but the lack of users killed it. They wanted 10000 deposits for their "anonymity mining", and reached only 5% of that.

The problem is that it is difficult to prove how much someone had/tried to withdraw because there is no irrefutable evidence for that.
And there's this:
I just (only now) realize that makes the escrow partially useless: if there would be an exit scam, it would be trivially easy to fake losses to claim back the escrow as a victim.
3090  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Does it make sense to have mobile wallet + desktop wallet from same brand? on: August 16, 2023, 04:52:19 PM
You're asking different things. In the title, you're asking if it's okay to install the same wallet on different devices. I'd say that's fine (as long as the wallet itself can be trusted).

Then, you're asking this:
Now I want to ask whether there are Wallets that are secure, synchable in between the desktop app and mobile app together?
I don't think this exists. The transactions (in a HD wallet) will of course be synced through the blockchain, but the wallet itself (including the address labels) won't get synchronized.

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For example if I am going to set up the wallet on desktop then I will have to enter the Private key there. In similar ways when I will set the wallet on my phone then also I will have to set the private key there.
That will work.

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Is it going to be issue to insert my private keys on two different devices?
Well, "it depends": you asked for "wallets that are secure", but you should also make sure the OS is secure. If you use the same wallet on different devices, you need to make sure they're all secure.
Will there be an issue? Only if your phone gets compromised. Or your desktop. And that's the issue: you don't know that until it's too late, but by doing so, you're doubling the risk. And that's why I wouldn't do it.



I think you need to take a step back: what are you trying to accomplish? If you own a small amount in Bitcoin that you can afford to lose, you can just do what you're suggesting. It will be very convenient and you know (and accept) the risk.
But, and I assume that applies to most people: if you want to get an increasingly larger amount of Bitcoin, it's better to create different wallets for different purposes (and that's what I do). Sometimes I use the same wallet brand, sometimes I use the same seed, sometimes it's watch-only, and some are different wallets. That doesn't mean they're all loaded, but that's not really the point.

And then there's privacy. If you have $5 trillion in your mobile wallet, your local barista may be tempted to hit you on the head. And if you buy a jet, you may not want the seller to know you bought 2 jets from his competitor the other day.
Separate wallets for different purposes are great for privacy!
3091  Other / Meta / Re: Save your nice merit records here - LAST UPDATE: 12/07/2023 on: August 16, 2023, 03:22:19 PM
GazetaBitcoin, I want you to know I tried:
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Who finishes it?
3092  Other / Off-topic / Re: IRS Now Gets to Tax Unrealized Cryptocurrency Gains on: August 16, 2023, 03:12:38 PM
You mean they get to tax you when Bitcoin rises (even though you haven't cashed out), yet they don't credit you when it loses value??
Correct.

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That is beyond self-serving and unethical.
Yep. Hence the lost lawsuit about human rights violations. But that was about the high tax on savings accounts, they're still fighting over the investment part. And I'm not even mentioning the "hidden tax" disguised as BRRR.

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The IRS needs some serious reform
To be fair: this isn't the (US) IRS.
3093  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Ads for online gambling should be banned. on: August 16, 2023, 03:04:42 PM
Australia isn't the first: starting last month, the Netherlands banned most online gambling ads. It's only allowed if the company can prove at least 95% of the target audience is 24 years or older.
The law doesn't mention if this only applies for advertising targeting the Netherlands, or all online advertising. Either way, just to be sure, I won't advertise gambling in my signature unless things are more clear. I guess they never considered the possibility of a Dutch person advertising online for an international audience.
3094  Other / Off-topic / Re: IRS Now Gets to Tax Unrealized Cryptocurrency Gains on: August 16, 2023, 01:40:04 PM
Yes. Everything does. The IRS is merely clarifying that the same rules that apply to everything else also apply to crypto, because apparently some people seem to think that the normal rules of finance don't apply to their Magic Internet Money.
That's what I thought. Seems fair.



You know what isn't fair? Here, we're taxed close to 2% in "annual wealth tax" (although they don't call it that way) on Bitcoin, even though Bitcoin dropped a lot last year. Other investments dropped too, and they're still fighting over it in court. I wish we'd only be taxed on capital gains.
3095  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Whirlwind.money | ⚡No Fee⚡ | Ultimate Privacy | Anonymity Mining 12% APR🔥 on: August 16, 2023, 01:24:15 PM
has anyone tried to deposit some sats recently to check if the 2 of 3 address receives the fund?
Depositing just to check that would be a dumb thing to do now.

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Second thing: I fail to understand where is the decentralized nature of the website. The funds are in hold by one person or at least he is pretending to be three person containing three keys.
The website is completely centralized. The future plans to decentralize the site have been discussed, but that doesn't mean anything yet. Note that one of the questions I asked last May about this was ignored.

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My suggestion: Everyone who have fund there in the notes, submit withdrawal [full amount], leave nothing. You will get the Letter of Guarantee. Verify the message. The letter will have withdrawal address and anyone can easily verify that the funds were not received. Do not use this address in the future just in case someone get a chance to tell that you received the funds.
Good point! Then, use the LoG as evidence to Support a Type 3 Flag.

if the site stops working and the developer team is no longer answer, I don't know how to compensate the users.
Bitcoin doesn't have a history of "compensating users". Not your keys, not your coins. It's a risk they all knew.

The onion URL is now down since a few hours.
The .onion loads here.

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I'm the kind of guy who say "Don't worry miss, I'll be here at 8.00 am" but the truth is I come at 6.00 pm  Cheesy
It's cultural. We're more like: "If you're on time, you're late" Tongue
3096  Other / Meta / Re: LoyceV's Merit data analysis (full data since Jan. 24, 2018; not just 120 days) on: August 16, 2023, 12:59:53 PM
The file name should not have the ".". I am of the opinion that using dots in filenames is not the best option. It can generate conflicts in file extensions/types.
Has that actually caused problems, or is it only theoretical?
As far as I know, most of the confusion comes from the fact that a certain Operating System hides file extensions by default. It even lead scammers to the creation of files ending on .txt.exe, just so the user wouldn't notice it isn't a text file.

The Linux way to determine the file type is by checking the file instead of it's extension. The extension doesn't matter.

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I would suggest changing it to something without the ".", like "meritall". Or something like "merit_all".
I have many links to this file, and I'm pretty sure some people use it for automated downloads by now. So I don't really want to change the name (and I'm not in favour of hard linking to create duplicate files.
If anyone wants, I could create a compressed version though. But it's probably going to end on .all.txt.gz Tongue

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Hope I didn't bother you.  Wink
No worries.
3097  Other / Meta / Re: Igebotz Nigerian Local Board Merit Source Application on: August 16, 2023, 12:52:00 PM
Fair enough, but Google Translate hasn't found a way to translate Nigerian Pidgin to English yet, and most of these posts are always in Pidgin, so many merit sources will skip them except those who want to merit blindly or based on the reputation of the user who submitted those links.
Wait, I'm confused Tongue We here always use the phrase "pidgin English" for bad English, or the Dutch equivalent: Steenkolenengels. I've been wondering why Nigeria needed their own local board, given that English is the official language. I'm now starting to think you guys actually call it "Pidgin" which just sounds funny Smiley
When I saw posts on the Nigerian local board before, I thought it was just English but with lots of mistakes. Now I'm starting to think this is how it's supposed to be:
This one go different and na based on the different coins dem wey you dey interested in wey go determine if you go go long term or short term.
When I read this, what I see is: "English English English mistake English English English dem wey English dey English English wey English English English English English English" Cheesy

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Handling a source to a local who understands these languages solves these issues
No argument there Smiley
3098  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Whirlwind.money | ⚡No Fee⚡ | Ultimate Privacy | Anonymity Mining 12% APR🔥 on: August 16, 2023, 12:33:36 PM
Basically, main people lost access due to travels while people still with access didn't have the right credentials to solve basic issues that caused withdraws to get stuck on the back-end. I've been assured that nothing has been lost and that all will be taken care of tomorrow meaning all currently pending withdraws will be processed and things return back to normal. It was an unfortunate situation is all!
It sounds like they are running a hobby instead of a business. Really I will have a business where I am going to allow incoming btc but making excuse of not processing outgoing btc because travels, credential issue this and that, then it continues for days. I hope what they are telling is true. But a business needs to be more serious about their customers' funds.
Agreed.

I wrote this 2 days ago:
So, to summarize (and correct me if I got anything wrong):
  • The website isn't profitable (yet)
  • Deposits are working
  • The website claims to pay a very high 12% APR on deposits
  • The daily awards aren't always being added
  • Withdrawals stopped working 5 days ago
  • The signature campaign payments happen off-chain and thus can't be withdrawn now
  • User whirlwindmoney hasn't been here for more than a month
  • Support doesn't respond to inquiries
No matter what the reason is, this looks bad.
By now, I think this topic deserves a Flag. Given the decentralized nature of the website, it's going to be difficult to prove someone was a victim for a type 2 or 3 Flag, but if someone wants to create a Newbie warning Flag, I'll Support it. If OP returns and resolves all issues I'll gladly Oppose the Flag, but until then, I think a yellow warning banner is warranted.
3099  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: List of all Bitcoin addresses with a balance on: August 16, 2023, 12:22:29 PM
if I run my own full node, how can I generate the same TSV file as is available on loyce.club site? (all addresses with balance)
As far as I know, all you need for this is the data in the "chainstate" directory, which isn't that much. There are a few parsers out there, just try to find which one you like.
I don't need more frequent updates, so I never setup my own parser.
3100  Other / Meta / Re: Igebotz Nigerian Local Board Merit Source Application on: August 16, 2023, 12:15:48 PM
Isn't that exclusively for posts on the English board?
If you check the rules set by LoyceV, there's no mention that submitted posts should be in English.
Correct. Links to any language are okay in Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source. I usually don't have the time to go over them through Google translate myself, but other Merit sources can still Merit them.
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