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3161  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: eth mining hardware question on: July 03, 2017, 09:25:10 PM
Go with Windows 7 if you insist on mining under Windows.
10 still has a LOT of issues, and it's a ton easier to get 7 to NOT UPDATE YOU TO BROKEN NEW DRIVERS that often kill your mining.

 SSD is severe overkill for a mining machine, though the M2 based ones are convenient and small.
 HDs still offer a ton better GB/$ if you don't need the raw speed of a SSD (which mining machines do NOT need).

 I do agree with the reccomendations to go more than 16 GB - you probably want 30 GB as a BARE minimum and > 60 GB for a machine that will be viable long-term on a Windows installation.
 LINUX you can get away with 30 GB but 60+ would probably be better there as well.

 2 x 4GB RAM is a much better option than a single 8 GB stick, dual channel can help a lot sometimes and the price is usually pretty close to the same.

 EVGA P2 1000 should handle your rig, but might be a bit marginal - and platinum is overkill unless you have VERY high power cost you'll never make back the difference between a good Gold unit and a good Platinum unit.
 I'd be inclined to go with the EVGA G2 1300 (or the Seasonic X-1250 gold) instead as I think they're about the same price and both have near-platinum efficiency - especially with the lighter loading than the 1000 watt P2.

 If you are going to undervolt the cards, you can probably get away with the G2 1000 or the X-1000 models.



Thank you for the feedback

How about if I go with 32gb usb + ethos?

I agree with your ram idea.. thank you

my current power cost is around 22 cents / kwh ... please suggest what would be best power supply...

i was thinking to go with : https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=220-G3-0750-X1   X 2

Thank you ..

 ACK!

 At that power cost, a Platinum power supply actually makes sense.

 A 750 is NOT going to be enough for your planned rig.
 Given your power cost, the EVGA P2 1200 would be a good option, as I still think the 1000 is going to be VERY marginal and a 1200 should have enough margin to work reliably.




3162  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: here is a thread for newbies to setup a nvoc 0017 rig to mine zec on: July 03, 2017, 09:19:00 PM
For a pure mining system, a low-wattage Celeron or G-series Pentium should be plenty.

I read somewhere that Skein doesn't like the low end processors. Is that true?

 Not that I've noticed, but there are some non-mining stuff that wants more CPU - and if you get an efficient CPU you can mine XMR on it like Phil says and possibly pay for the "upgrade" over a bottom-end CPU over time.

 I plan on getting my newest rig (dual 1080ti on my Intel G4600/Gigabyte Z270-HD3 board "experiment", VERY similar to Phil's MB in this build) up and running today, will see how it compares.

3163  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: The Blocks Factory - Multicoin pool on: July 03, 2017, 09:07:33 PM
DGB has a scrypt option.

 Kinda redundant to add Litecoin since there are a lot of other pools for that already.

 DOGE is a merge-mined coin, adding it would be a total waste.



 What I'd like to see is all of the DGB options pay into one COMMON pool on TBF, instead of each one having it's own seperate payout and payout limit.
3164  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: 1080Ti Specific - Best mining option on: July 03, 2017, 09:04:10 PM

Anyone expert enough to put in a formula or calculation on taking in the future estimated difficulty to meassuare if it is worthwhile to pay double the electricity in exchage of lesser difficulty for maybe higher zcash output?
Will the extra 100 sol pays off when factor in next three to six month opportunity cost?

 Most existing calculators include watts and cost/KWH to figure net income.
3165  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: eth mining hardware question on: July 03, 2017, 06:20:34 AM
Go with Windows 7 if you insist on mining under Windows.
10 still has a LOT of issues, and it's a ton easier to get 7 to NOT UPDATE YOU TO BROKEN NEW DRIVERS that often kill your mining.

I'm curious about this statement.  I don't mean to hijack this thread, but why is Win 10 not good for mining?  It works very well for multi-GPU setups.  And it's pretty easy to stop updates on any Windows OS... just set the Windows Update service to disabled.


 That's NOT an option on Windows 10 Home at all, and I think you have to do something else in Pro per the reading I've done.
 The ONLY way to turn off updates in 10 Home (and it's not 100% reliable, per a couple comments I've seen it CAN be overriden by Mickey$loth for "critical" updates) is registry modification.

 Mickey$loth has gone out of their way to FORCE you to suffer through autoupdate on 10, and made it a ROYAL PITA to even try to turn it off.
 It's NOT as simple as 7 or earlier at all.

 7 in my experience works JUST as well in multi-GPU setups, and seems to be a lot more stable overall (M$ has had a lot longer to squash bugs in 7 after all).
3166  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: here is a thread for newbies to setup a nvoc 0017 rig to mine zec on: July 03, 2017, 05:56:29 AM
I've got a few systems running on Sandisk Ultra USB sticks - specifically including the 32GB Phil linked, but mostly on the 128GB version of that one (Walmart had them on sale a while back and I stocked up).

 Plenty fast for a mining system, though not as fast as a good HD and nowhere near as fast as a SSD.
 
 For a pure mining system, a low-wattage Celeron or G-series Pentium should be plenty.
3167  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Fourth alt coin thread last three got oversized. on: July 03, 2017, 05:37:53 AM

How difficult is it to commence mining on a USB based OS? I am using HDD's and Windows 10 ATM, I would love to expand and use USB OS.


 LINUX is pretty easy to set up on a USB - I've got a few of my lower-end machines running that way.
 Windows - never managed to get it to work, but it's SUPPOSED to be possible with 10 and in some cases with 8 or 7.

3168  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: EWBF's CUDA Zcash miner on: July 03, 2017, 05:33:47 AM

You can get 480 out of the EVGA FTW model, but its not worth the extra 25-30 watts in power cost for the additional 30 sols.

 It is if your power cost is low enough - and WHICH FTW model, there are at least 2 and I think might be 3 of them in just the EVGA 1070 models.
 (one has ICX one has the older cooling setup, so at least 2).
3169  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Trying to understand sgminer-gm shares on: July 02, 2017, 08:56:55 PM
GPU0                | (5s):21.66M (avg):21.50Mh/s | A:27000000000 R:0 HW:1 WU:22.625/ I:18

 The "A:" indicates "accepted" share work, so it's doing SOMETHING right.

3170  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Mining Recommendations for set up on: July 02, 2017, 08:49:35 PM
GTX 960 is a fairly good miner, for NVidia-orientated coins especially lbry or lyra2rev2 based coins, or point it at Nicehash.

HD 4890 is too old, not much that's going to support it at ALL any more and the performance would be a sad joke for it's power usage.
Same on the GTX 550ti cards.

3171  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: eth mining hardware question on: July 02, 2017, 08:47:14 PM
Go with Windows 7 if you insist on mining under Windows.
10 still has a LOT of issues, and it's a ton easier to get 7 to NOT UPDATE YOU TO BROKEN NEW DRIVERS that often kill your mining.

 SSD is severe overkill for a mining machine, though the M2 based ones are convenient and small.
 HDs still offer a ton better GB/$ if you don't need the raw speed of a SSD (which mining machines do NOT need).

 I do agree with the reccomendations to go more than 16 GB - you probably want 30 GB as a BARE minimum and > 60 GB for a machine that will be viable long-term on a Windows installation.
 LINUX you can get away with 30 GB but 60+ would probably be better there as well.

 2 x 4GB RAM is a much better option than a single 8 GB stick, dual channel can help a lot sometimes and the price is usually pretty close to the same.

 EVGA P2 1000 should handle your rig, but might be a bit marginal - and platinum is overkill unless you have VERY high power cost you'll never make back the difference between a good Gold unit and a good Platinum unit.
 I'd be inclined to go with the EVGA G2 1300 (or the Seasonic X-1250 gold) instead as I think they're about the same price and both have near-platinum efficiency - especially with the lighter loading than the 1000 watt P2.

 If you are going to undervolt the cards, you can probably get away with the G2 1000 or the X-1000 models.

3172  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Is it possible to use different GPUs on the same MOBO? on: July 02, 2017, 08:36:41 PM
I've seen good deals on R9 280x, but they are saying that mixing 280x with RX 480 is not going to work, because of driver differences (https://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/11546/can-i-add-an-rx480-to-a-system-that-has-r9-280x-already). I wonder if that is true. And if it is, what are the RX 480 compatible cards?

 16.10.1 WHQL driver works well on both of those.
 I don't think it works with the RX 5xx series though as they came out after that driver version did.

 You'll see lower stability than if you stick with "one generation":

 For reference on the AMD side - HD 78xx/79xx and all R5/R7/R9 cards except the Fury line count as "one generation".
 All Fury cards are the "one generation".
 RX 4xx and 5xx count as "one generation".
 The VEGA cards will probably count as "one generation" but only with themselves, they MIGHT count as part of the Fury generation but I doubt it.

 Nvidia side, the only significant variation from the "First digit designates the generation (10xx counting 10 as a digit)" is that the GTX 750 ti is part of the 9xx (Maxwell) generation.
 NVidia though doesn't seem to be quite as picky about being stable between 2 "close" generations as AMD is though, probably because they have the time and money to do a better job overall on their drivers and seem to TEST them on further-back card generations than AMD appears to do.



3173  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BURST] Burst | Efficient HDD Mining | New 1.2.3 Fork block 92000 on: July 02, 2017, 08:21:45 PM
I don't know why there are many newbies asking for 1 Burst coins. Right now Burst coin can mine through POS also.
Can anyone answer I am a little bit confuse about this Burst coin mining? Because many people kept talking burst coin fee and mining.

 You need 2 coin to set your address up for use with a pool (one for the actual setup, one for the transaction fee) as I recall.
3174  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BURST] Burst | Efficient HDD Mining | New 1.2.3 Fork block 92000 on: July 02, 2017, 08:20:42 PM
So basicly CPU Plotting is way better because of the Optimizision from the Plots. I was trying both, GPU is way faster but it seems i have some Corrupted Chains sometimes.


 Depends on the plotter - wplotgenerator does NOT optimise plots, IME with it.
3175  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: How do u get a place that has the electricity requirements to start mining? on: July 02, 2017, 08:08:22 PM
As a general rule, you need to be looking at small business locations to get into the > 40KW power available range.

 Many homes have 100 amp 220V service, some newer ones might go to 150 amp, but about the only ones you will find with 200 amp service are
 (1) areas with ELECTRIC heat might get to 200 amp service on NEWER homes
 (2) places where the owner had the place custom-designed with more-than-usual power available
 (3) places where a previous owner had the power upgraded for some reason


 I have never seen an apartment with more than 100 amp service, and only ONE condo complex that had more than 100 amp service to an individual condo (it had electric heat AND attached garages).

 Rents on warehouses tend to be a LOT lower per square foot than for apartments - even "shop" spaces are usually lower on a square-foot basis than an apartment, with occasional exceptions where a shop is in a busy downtown location in a large town or in a high-traffic part of a city.
 Office spaces tend to be pretty close to shop space for rental rate per square-foot but rarely have enough power for mining usage.

 You can't assume that ANY warehouse has a lot of power though - a lot of them were strictly for storage and won't have much.
 You have to CHECK first.

 Warehouse/small industrial type spaces tend to have decent power available (like auto repair shops and light manufacturing spaces).

3176  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Be a miner as a dayjob... on: July 02, 2017, 07:46:11 PM

Everyone keeps saying 30/day/rig and I'm over here like
Do you have 10 gpus in one rig to make 30/day?


 $30 a day for a single 6-card rig wasn't hard to achieve - a month ago, or even 2 weeks ago.

 Right now, it's very difficult and you have to find a specific small niche - or go with all 1080ti or possibly a VERY well tuned 1080 rig on ZEC - to achieve it.

 I don't think there's ANYTHING you can do with a RX-based rig to manage $30/day - but if you've had that rig more than a couple months it's likely paid off or fairly close to being so.
 ETH certainly isn't an option for that - $20 a day is about the best a 6-card RX-based rig will manage right now, as they struggle to match the hashrate on my R9 290 cards and my trio R9 290 ETH rig only pulls in a hair over $10/day now.

3177  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Be a miner as a dayjob... on: July 02, 2017, 07:39:46 PM
Not possible unless you ve got really, really cheap electricity.

Cause there s nothing to prevent people to buy 120000000 rigs by mid 2018 and bring you out of business. We ve seen this before, in 2013/2014, market gets saturated and everyone shut down their rigs. The ones who remain are people with 6 cents per kwh and lower.

not true you can do good with 20 cent now and more, in 2018 the profit will be much higher, so evne with more gpu there will be the same profit, while it's easy to double the gpu when they are few of them it's more difficult when you have millions already o the market

 In 2018, unless coin prices rise a TON, profitability will be very low indeed as ETH takes steps towards PoS driving MILLIONS of GPUs into seeking new homes and driving profitability on THOSE coins down a ton.

 This doesn't even factor in the number of folks that are deploying or going to deploy new rigs between now and end of the year.

 You can make good profits RIGHT NOW, and for the last 2-3 months, at 20 cent electric - but don't COUNT on that lasting even TO the end of the year much less past it unless prices go up a LOT.

 Keep in mind that the only REAL limitation on rig growth RIGHT NOW is the worldwide GPU shortage - otherwise profitability would ALREADY have dropped a ton - oh yeah, it already HAS dropped by over half on almost all coins in just the last 2 weeks or so DESPITE that shortage.



3178  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: EWBF's CUDA Zcash miner on: July 02, 2017, 07:31:24 PM

I tried your settings and its impossible for my cards to get 470sols. I got ~400sols with your setts. Eth with your settings looks like 29.3-29.5. Which model of 1070 do you have?

MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X 8G

I bought cheaper gigabyte windforce 1070 8G and probably thats why my oc is not that good.

 Bump the TDP up some to compensate - those MSI are 230 watt TDP your Gigabytes (if they're the same ones I have) are 180.

 You should be able to get them to at least 430 sol/s and possibly more with the right tweeking.

3179  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: EWBF's CUDA Zcash miner on: July 02, 2017, 07:29:48 PM

I tried your settings and its impossible for my cards to get 470sols. I got ~400sols with your setts. Eth with your settings looks like 29.3-29.5. Which model of 1070 do you have?

MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X 8G

 If those are the "2 PCI-E connector" version, they have a MUCH higher TDP (at about 230 watts) than any other GTX 1070 I am aware of.

 That's why reporting figures as "% TDP " and such is MEANINGLESS when you don't specify the actual card they are from.




 To Chipychop - dual mining pushes the card harder, as it aims to use the ENTIRE card fully when most crypto "single" mining leaves large parts of a card unused.
 Open case works better for most, unless you set your case up with a LOT of airflow into the GPU area AND HAVE A WAY TO EXHAUST IT.

 This is why blower-type cards are usually better than fan-type in a case with multiple GPUs.



3180  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Until how long will GPU mining last? on: July 02, 2017, 07:21:01 PM
eth asic's confirmed

 Yeah, right.

 Link to a REPUTABLE site or take your FUD back home again.

 Keep in mind that dedicated multi-GPU setups like the PandaMiner are NOT ASIC.

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