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Update 14/09/2013: I am buying only BFL singles, paying 13 BTC as of today... I will update the prices every day
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The perspective is you need to chill, seems like you're taking it personally that someone thinks bitfury's design is better, which is pretty much irrelevant. KnC's are cheaper, come with a case and are pre-configured and plug and play. Obviously a better deal.
But they'll likely need to go for a full custom core to compete with other 28nm chips in the future.
One still doesn't exist though So if that's what you're saying, why even make a thread about a non-existent chip then??? SIGH nevermind well... he sort of does have a point. You started the discussion comparing their supposed claimed values. Only to point out one doesn't exist when someone gives the knc chip's advantage. If we're gonna "stay on topic" all we can do really is hypothetically compare the two which is assumed when you started the thread... just saying. Exactly. Kind of makes you wonder what are the motivations for the OP starting a thread such as this. I'd be interested to hear the answer to plasmoske's question. (or at least a better answer than "nevermind") Out of curiosity? It doesn't make sense that 55nm would TROUNCE something that should be 4x more power efficient. I said nevermind because his question is retarded, everyone is talking about KNC vs bitfury, look at the fucking 50000 page thread of KNC people talking about something that also doesn't exist. You can't have it both ways, either it exists and we're discussing it (hence nevermind), or it doesn't exist and its equally shit. I agree, I got confused and I went to check up their official thread thinking that they really have a working chip!! and in that same official thread people talking about these prototypes as they are in production and just waiting for shipping, I say KNC and all other companies that didn't prove any thing close to a working prototypes are bullish and are in my waiting list ...... |
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so I guess you are the seller....
Umm, nope. Try again. I just know I'd be insulted if someone offered 11BTC for my Singles (which aren't for sale). why would you be insulted ? it is a free market any one can offer you what he is able to pay, do not forget that your item is worth what is the maximum bidder is willing to pay it is not always worth what you wish to get,there is no reason to get insulted ! if you get insulted then you have personal issues!! |
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how much did you sell it for ?
and you still want 24 BTC for your shipping single, sorry to break this news, you wont get near that even if it is in hand and ready for pickup today. |
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I am interested about tomorrows price if you still didn't sell
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I can take both for 10BTC
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Looks like about $49 a GH on average.
Buying Bitfury at $20 per GH
KNC at $15 a GH
I'll offer BTC11 per single.
BitFury is running in a limited capacity. You order now, and you can't expect your order until October, at least. KNC barely has prototype pictures, and isn't scheduled to ship until November. ASICMiner blades are the only other hardware you can get, and they're $53/GHs, while using more power. 11BTC is a little low. so I guess you are the seller.... |
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Thanks lucko!
46 chips left, maybe 42
so your chips shipping with these ? |
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BFL chips shipping on schedule!!
Just got this email from BFL:
Dear Customer,
This is notification that it is seven days or less until your chip order is scheduled to ship. To see your remaining amount due, please log in to your account dashboard.
If you purchased via bankwire, please issue the remaining amount due to our bank account at:
Bank name: Commerce Bank
Bank address: 8901 State Line Road, Kansas City, Missouri, United States of America
Swift: CBKCUS44XXX
ABA / Routing: 101000019
Account Name: BF Labs Inc.
Account Number: 000049278
Account Address: 10770 El Monte, Leawood, KS, United States of America
Please add your order number to the memo of your wire transfer.
Once we have confirmed receipt of the wire transfer, we will add your order into the queue for processing.
If you purchased using bitcoin, you will be issued a new BitPay invoice about seven days before your order is supposed to ship which you will be required to pay within 15 minutes after opening. Please look for it in your e-mail inbox or spam folder.
If payment has not been completed, the order will not be shipped to you until it has been confirmed as paid.
Thank you for choosing Butterfly Labs' 65nm ASIC.
Best wishes,
The BFL Team
holy shit BFL on schedule, this is something new !!!! |
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Wow a Jala has 2 - 4Gh chips inside and you managed to get more than the physical limit.
Amazing!
my jalas were hashing at 8.7 Gh/s, lucko from BFL contamination board has some firmware hack for that, I met him in Ljubljana (the capital of Slovenia) and he did all the jalas and for free, BTW a real great guy.  the one that had only 8 Gh/s had a bad chip which had only 13 working engine as lucko explain to me. but I went from 15 Gh/s to 25Gh/s, I just wished I could do that when i got them right away.... |
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so any news about these chips ? how fast do you think it will take them to get everything ready? dead line is coming to its end soon and there is no news about a working chip, I have no order but I am really curious.
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Probably because the 55 nM chips from BitFury are circuitry works of art while the KnC chips are thought to be direct ports of the logic circuits derived from their own less efficient FPGAs. KnC also chose to work on a more difficult process, so they may experience piss poor initial yields that require huge amounts of voltage to hash. I would be wary of "predicted" efficiency numbers, as BFL's predictions were off by almost an order of magnitude. Even BitFury was unable to meet their target, but got pretty close. Are you even aware that KnC have stated only their pessimistic worst case scenarios?! where as Butterfly Labs, Bitfury, Hashfast, Cointerra etc. are the ones that are stating their "predicted" (simulated) best case which is impossible to achieve. That's the difference between marketing and formally trained engineers. In no way do I wish to do Bitfury a disservice as I believe he genuinely had the best intentions, and as for Cointerra, they have the credentials, but they are so late to the party they have to make bold claims or no one would fund them. Hashfast are flat out lying about delivery and their Ts&Cs reflect that. You really need some perspective, dude. I doubt KnC Jupiter are going to run at less then 500W hashing at 500Gh/s if they're recommending an 850W PSU. There's nothing wrong with KnC's chips running hotter, since they're actually cheaper. am I missing any news!!! KNC has a chip already ? you are both both talking like you have evidence of a working chip and its results that community is not aware of ( or at least I am not, I haven't been following everything lately ) |
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where do you see that offer ? it is an auction so that buyer has to come over here and made his bid public otherwise you wont get near 15BTC
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only 1 hashing card ? I thought punin sent 2 H-cards with all starter kits?
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I just sat and ready EVERY page and EVERY comment on this thread. It appears a WHOLE lot of individuals did not.
BPMC stated their price, their requirements, and were up front with everything asked of them.
Will this product ROI at 2.1 BTC? Probably not, Will a BE ROI at .15 BTC? Probably not. ROI is a concern to most miners, but not the argument here in my mind, but execution and as of the post stating they are ready to ship they have executed.
They have taken an idea to market in a very short time. To do so has it's costs and they have READY TO SHIP PROOF that their COOP can execute. Many may not like the price, but at the end of the day they did something MANY other companies have not even been able to do is bring a product to market that is ready to ship when they say it is without preorders. The product from a USB perspective is a far superior product to anything currently readily available on the market so comparing it to a BE which is what is being done is only partially fair.
I own a handful of BEs. I paid around $150 each for my first 3, I paid $50 for my 4th, and my next 7 will be here tomorrow for around $130 combined. Will those ever ROI I doubt it and understand that fact. Everyone buying BEs today should realize that even with free power, shipping, and a cost of .1 BTC or under there is a slim chance if any to break even if you had the device in hand tomorrow. I am excited to see more products come to market and continue to support Bitcoin and the community as a whole. I can't afford to purchase these now, but I don't understand everyone hating on an organization so much? If you don't want to buy at this price don't it's really simple to understand. They already said they will mine with them if they don't sell, great that helps us all keeping a distributed secure network that will continue to grow.
If you want to throw some math into the observation VERY QUICK NUMBERS:
1 BF1 - 2.1 BTC shipped each (minimum order does not matter as this could be group purchased etc.) This uses 1 port in a USB hub at 2.5 GHash
8 BEs - around 1.27 BTC shipped at around .15 each, requirement of 8 ports at around .031 BTC cost per port (Dlink 7 port/6 useable at $26ish each) or an additional cost of .25 BTC total: 1.52 BTC
Is the electricity cost and port density on your hub worth the additional .5-.6 BTC? That's for you to decide, but it has it's benefits and in the grand scheme of taking everything into consideration of setup and configuration 1 USB is easier to operate, setup, and maintain than 8. Overall it is a better product at a higher price tag for the FIRST RUN of the product. We can only assume the price will come down as the component cost comes down, but as we all know the Bitcoin game is a rat race with ever increasing difficulty recently that is difficult for the average person mining to stay ahead of. I mine and participate because I fully support the idea and really enjoy Bitcoin and the people for the most part they are in general very helpful. I do take into consideration ROI in hopes that I don't completely throw all my money away, but at the end of the day I enjoy it and will continue to participate as much as I can. I know many are in the same boat, but there are different levels.
Those that are in it JUST to make money
Those that are in it to SUPPORT and secure the network
Those that are in it to SUPPORT it as a currency
Those that are in it to make a quick buck
Those that are just curious and want to see what it is about
Those that are combinations of all or some of the above
Recap, price announced, reasons given and defended with alternative to not selling. I may not like the price, but I'm not going to bash a group that appears to be doing good things for the community and is actually able to deliver products to us that is superior to anything comparable on the market today.
/end rant
you are funny, if you are a collector and take this as a hobby then do not speak for miners.... miners do this as a side job and they have to profit from their investment, and yes I am here to profit "shit I've just said it" otherwise I would just buy Bitcoins and wait for the value to rise........ |
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You should have realized by now that the community has been learning a lot from the past months.
Don't complain about your costs being high... that's your problem. Make better decisions next time.
Almost everyone is in this for the money and the ones who are not just got run over by your minimum order.
So please, improve your pricing.
That may be. Consider that the primary item is over $108 each chip and consider that the price of those asic's are expected to drop for next months orders. However the unit itself is USB based and cgminer supported and you can flash the firmware. Hmm sounds like a great tinkering tool for those who want to see what they can do with Bitfury Chips. BS the reels of chips until recently were $60,000 for 3,000, that's $20 per chip. Reels haven't started shipping yet. Also where are they $60,000? Reels don't start shipping till later this month and the start of next month. I will add this http://www.bitfurystrikesback.com/product/bitfury-reel-fifo/ , First in First out, and 1 chip is at 22.5€ or 0.21 BTC delivery starts on the 20th this month, assuming cost of production is 0.3 BTC and the hole process from delivery till assembly will take 2-3 weeks, this means they will be available at max the end of the first week of October. and even Burnnin is working on a 16 chip mining bar which can perform 43GH/s at nominal speeds , but he said he will target the 5 Gh/s of each chip, lets say this wont work out for him and he will be able to do only 3.2Gh/s ( it has been done) this will give you 51gh/s only for 470€ ~ 4.5 BTCthis is why it is worth to wait 2-3 weeks. |
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I am interested go for it
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@mmitech and pankkake: which banks?
OP updated.
I am using UniCredit bank |
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As Jesse Pinkman would say, "It's economics bitch!"
BTW I do not give a shit about you buying or not, I am discussing the price with original poster out of my point of view, even he didn't get angry!! he is answering my question in a very respectful way, But never mind I told him about people like you. you are just a retard and I have nothing to say to you any more i wont go to your level once again. My level?! Did you not just call me a "sucker" (several times) and a "retard"? You couldn't reach my level if you were standing on a ladder. Simpleton. Oh and I'm sure the OP has great respect for you since you're shitting all over his thread with your useless whining. what are you waiting for? go ahead threw your BTC on them... like I give a shit !!! welcome to my ignore list. end of story.... |
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As Jesse Pinkman would say, "It's economics bitch!"
BTW I do not give a shit about you buying or not, I am discussing the price with original poster out of my point of view, even he didn't get angry!! he is answering my question in a very respectful way, But never mind I told him about people like you. you are just a retard and I have nothing to say to you any more i wont go to your level once again. |
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