This is as plausible as having a monkey sitting in front of a typewriter and ending up producing something useful.
Do you understand bitcoin blockchain technology sir? Our entire commodity is based on our graphic cards hashing until they produce something useful... How long do you want the string to be? Even two or three "useful" short sentences could be created by the bitcoin network in under an hour. It's all about math. Produce trillions of generations, and you have Evolution.  I'm married to Jennifer Lawrence.  I do understand blockchain technology, I am a software developer and I am about to start working on a blockchain technology project. I get your point, but keep in mind that the number of computations needed to compute a hash value that is "nice" enough to be considered canonical is incredibly large. Waiting for such a kind of brute force to pay off in nature would probably exceed the expected life span of the universe. And then there is not just one kind of animal out there but many, many of them. The whole thing looks a lot like someone hitting the lottery on a daily basis. Sure, this can happen but how likely is it? Or even simpler: If nature was able to create an elephant out of dead matter via many steps of evolution, then why can't scientists reproduce these steps in a lab? A whole bunch of people with college degrees should be able to accomplish this, right? If nature can create black holes why can't a bunch of scientists do it too? Do you realize how stupid your argument is right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AbiogenesisIt's not easy, that's why, not to mention that it took millions of years, why would you think science has advanced so far as to create living beings in just a few years? |
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I simply cannot believe this. This is again doubting and denying science. It is a proven fact that we're all related to each other.. Yes.. we're also related to a stupid tree.
all living organism on earth share the basic DNA. Thats a fact. So we did not come from heaven. But whatever, believe what you want if it helps you.
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I'm not bullsh!tting on the bible or any religion. I don't believe in any religion - yes. But the bible, for instance, just describes the things as they knew it. Guys.. thats a long way from writing such books to nowadays understanding of life.
Simply Google "evolution is impossible" to see that there are lots of reasons why evolution is impossible. All of foundational evolution theory is written like it was something you had to believe in to make it true. There are no concrete facts for evolution found by those who actually do the search for evolution. The evidence fits creation better. The few almost-facts for evolution, are things done in the lab, where scientists are the makers... not in nature where the whole thing comes about by natural means. No facts for evolution are found in nature. On top of all that, cause and effect operates precisely according to the laws of physics. If there is anything that is pure randomness, we haven't found it for a fact. Yet evolution theory says that evolutionary changes are done by "random" mutations. This is exactly opposite of cause and effect which we see operating in millions or billions of things, or more. Evolution is a cute idea that doesn't have any backing outside a lot of talk. In fact, it is the loads of talk that keeps evolution alive as a theory. There are no facts behind evolution. It is a story like any science fiction story, except that it is contributed to by multitudes of people. Evolution is a story that doesn't fit reality. Because many of the proponents of evolution realize that they have no facts to back evolution up, and yet they keep on saying that evolution is true, evolution has become one of the greatest hoaxes around. Lay (non-scientific) people who believe these evolution proponents, are believers in a religion... the evolution religion. Evolution is a hoax. I already googled that and it didn't show anything: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.msg27216030#msg27216030''The evidence fits creation better.'' Literally all dating methods show that creation is false, you know, older than 6-10k thousand years old. ''If there is anything that is pure randomness, we haven't found it'' You claimed god is pure randomness, so you did find it. Also pretty much all science dismisses the bible (creation) : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errorsYou can google that as well since you like google so much, ''scientific errors in the bible'' There are plenty. You fail to properly apply what I said regarding whatever it is that you Googled in that top link of yours. There aren't any mistakes in the bible. There are only people (kinda like you) who twist the meanings of what is written in the Bible, to mean something that the Bible doesn't say. The bible is 6k to 10k years old meaning that earth and the universe are just as old, however that has been proven wrong through dozens of different methods of dating, all showing that earth and the universe are far older. The proof that the earth is older than the bible says - http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm - is based on the same kinds of "ifs" that evolution is based on. The following example simply shows a form of guessing the age of the earth. It is not meant to show actual ways that ice layers are examined and extrapolated into the past. We know that the layers of ice that have formed over the last 100 years, have formed because of this or that kind of snowfall... or whatever. We know it because we have been recording it for the last hundred years. This means that "if" snowfall existed the same way for the last million years, then the earth is so many million years old.The thing is, we don't have a clue that the ice layers were always formed in this way. Yet the "if" has been converted into a factual thing by the scientists, or by the media that publishes what the scientists say. On top of that, the Bible is eye witness reports throughout a very large portion of it. Some of the reasons why this is way stronger than the "ifs" of evolution and scientific ages of the earth are listed hare https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.msg27424435#msg27424435. Consider. When a car engine is made, they don't make something like a piston and a cylinder that gradually turns into a piston or a cylinder, and then gradually forms into a V-8 engine. Rather, they design the engine and build the engine complete. Then they place it into a car, and run the engine. If there is testing of several designs, they do it before they manufacture the car. In the same way, if God did something like testing of the universe parts before he made the universe, the tests were separate from the universe. God didn't throw out a bunch of "stuff" and let it evolve into something that works. He threw out the universe in working order. But... ... We won't know it for a fact until we can build a real, working time viewer to take a look. we simply have to believe God (or not), that He did it like He said He did it. This means that although we can extrapolate backwards to some extent, it is incorrect extrapolation the further back we go, because God set the whole thing in place, in 6 days, with appearances that can be interpreted as billions of years, yet with the words of the Bible that tell us what He really did. Why would God show us a nature that might trick us into believing something the wrong way? Probably several reasons, two of which are: 1. He wants to find out who will trust what He says so that He knows who to get rid of; 2. He is giving us what we are asking for, independence from God in our thinking, all the while holding us dependent on Him through cause and effect. Evolution is a complete hoax. Just like we don't have a clue if cause and effect was always present, thanks for debunking your own argument Why would we want a clue when we have proof? The proof is the fact that God caused it all through creation, and the fact that scientific proof says that, since we haven't found anything else (like pure random) in multitudes of cause and effect operations, nothing but cause and effect exists. Yes we have, you said it yourself, it's god. You already debunked your own argument several times. |
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^^^ Show me the ocean curving, proof or GTFO.
You just gonna say it's CGI like you do with everything. I already asked you what would constitute a genuine photo or video of earth and you never replied. Last time you said it was with a specific camera and then changed your story, so what is it? |
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I simply cannot believe this. This is again doubting and denying science. It is a proven fact that we're all related to each other.. Yes.. we're also related to a stupid tree.
all living organism on earth share the basic DNA. Thats a fact. So we did not come from heaven. But whatever, believe what you want if it helps you.
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I'm not bullsh!tting on the bible or any religion. I don't believe in any religion - yes. But the bible, for instance, just describes the things as they knew it. Guys.. thats a long way from writing such books to nowadays understanding of life.
Simply Google "evolution is impossible" to see that there are lots of reasons why evolution is impossible. All of foundational evolution theory is written like it was something you had to believe in to make it true. There are no concrete facts for evolution found by those who actually do the search for evolution. The evidence fits creation better. The few almost-facts for evolution, are things done in the lab, where scientists are the makers... not in nature where the whole thing comes about by natural means. No facts for evolution are found in nature. On top of all that, cause and effect operates precisely according to the laws of physics. If there is anything that is pure randomness, we haven't found it for a fact. Yet evolution theory says that evolutionary changes are done by "random" mutations. This is exactly opposite of cause and effect which we see operating in millions or billions of things, or more. Evolution is a cute idea that doesn't have any backing outside a lot of talk. In fact, it is the loads of talk that keeps evolution alive as a theory. There are no facts behind evolution. It is a story like any science fiction story, except that it is contributed to by multitudes of people. Evolution is a story that doesn't fit reality. Because many of the proponents of evolution realize that they have no facts to back evolution up, and yet they keep on saying that evolution is true, evolution has become one of the greatest hoaxes around. Lay (non-scientific) people who believe these evolution proponents, are believers in a religion... the evolution religion. Evolution is a hoax. I already googled that and it didn't show anything: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.msg27216030#msg27216030''The evidence fits creation better.'' Literally all dating methods show that creation is false, you know, older than 6-10k thousand years old. ''If there is anything that is pure randomness, we haven't found it'' You claimed god is pure randomness, so you did find it. Also pretty much all science dismisses the bible (creation) : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errorsYou can google that as well since you like google so much, ''scientific errors in the bible'' There are plenty. You fail to properly apply what I said regarding whatever it is that you Googled in that top link of yours. There aren't any mistakes in the bible. There are only people (kinda like you) who twist the meanings of what is written in the Bible, to mean something that the Bible doesn't say. The bible is 6k to 10k years old meaning that earth and the universe are just as old, however that has been proven wrong through dozens of different methods of dating, all showing that earth and the universe are far older. The proof that the earth is older than the bible says - http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm - is based on the same kinds of "ifs" that evolution is based on. The following example simply shows a form of guessing the age of the earth. It is not meant to show actual ways that ice layers are examined and extrapolated into the past. We know that the layers of ice that have formed over the last 100 years, have formed because of this or that kind of snowfall... or whatever. We know it because we have been recording it for the last hundred years. This means that "if" snowfall existed the same way for the last million years, then the earth is so many million years old.The thing is, we don't have a clue that the ice layers were always formed in this way. Yet the "if" has been converted into a factual thing by the scientists, or by the media that publishes what the scientists say. On top of that, the Bible is eye witness reports throughout a very large portion of it. Some of the reasons why this is way stronger than the "ifs" of evolution and scientific ages of the earth are listed hare https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.msg27424435#msg27424435. Consider. When a car engine is made, they don't make something like a piston and a cylinder that gradually turns into a piston or a cylinder, and then gradually forms into a V-8 engine. Rather, they design the engine and build the engine complete. Then they place it into a car, and run the engine. If there is testing of several designs, they do it before they manufacture the car. In the same way, if God did something like testing of the universe parts before he made the universe, the tests were separate from the universe. God didn't throw out a bunch of "stuff" and let it evolve into something that works. He threw out the universe in working order. But... ... We won't know it for a fact until we can build a real, working time viewer to take a look. we simply have to believe God (or not), that He did it like He said He did it. This means that although we can extrapolate backwards to some extent, it is incorrect extrapolation the further back we go, because God set the whole thing in place, in 6 days, with appearances that can be interpreted as billions of years, yet with the words of the Bible that tell us what He really did. Why would God show us a nature that might trick us into believing something the wrong way? Probably several reasons, two of which are: 1. He wants to find out who will trust what He says so that He knows who to get rid of; 2. He is giving us what we are asking for, independence from God in our thinking, all the while holding us dependent on Him through cause and effect. Evolution is a complete hoax. Just like we don't have a clue if cause and effect was always present, thanks for debunking your own argument |
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The theory of evolution is just a crazy attempt to explain what can hardly be explained. I am not religious at all, so I don't believe in a maker / creator or anything quite like that. But it is very hard to explain how all of the creatures on earth have happened to come about just by virtue of sun, rain, temperature, pressure or whatever else. Why has nobody ever witnessed the evolution at work? With that many creatures out there some of them should be turning into something else on a daily basis. The only aspect evolution explains nicely is the survival of the fittest. Everything else remains a big mystery to me. Even worse, nobody can explain how dead matter can be turned into something that is alive. I doubt anyone will ever succeed with this sort of experiment.
Talking out of your ass I see. If you truly know about the theory of evolution you would know that evolution takes a lot of time, hence why no one has observed evolution, although we have. The peppered moth and Live Birth in Three-toed Skinks are classic examples. It is indeed hard to explain all of this, that's why evolution theory is still updating. There is abiogenesis which tries to explain non living matter to matter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment |
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I don't know what's going on with exchanges lately but it's not good. I deposited money through cex.io a long time ago, somehow my ''proof of residence'' wasn't good, fair enough. More than 2 weeks ago I sent them another proof of residence, this time a good one but still not verified. I understand there are a lot of users and they are busy but after 20 days, how difficult can it be to look at 1 single paper and verify it? I wouldn't be this mad but I also want to withdraw some money to my bank and I have seen users complaining that it takes also weeks so basically I'm going to spend months just to withdraw some money?
Kindly message us your user ID, we will try to speed up the verification process. It's fine, I don't really care now because I was going to withdraw some money through cex.io but now it's a bad idea seeing that it might take a month to process a single withdrawal request. I'm not using it until you fix your problems. I honestly understand that it can be slow but why are exchanges like yours advertising it like it's going to take 1 day or a few days at most when it's usually taking weeks? Why not let your users know that it could very easily and most likely take weeks? Why advertise something that is not true? |
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How as an individual can I know if the Earth is a sphere or a flat disc? What experiment can I do that doesn't involve trusting information from a 3rd party that would prove what the geometry really is?  Mars is round, we gravitate around the Sun and yet, Earth is flat. Newton is moving inside his grave. Newton was an occultist and gravity is just a theory, a shitty one at that. If you photograph Mars with a good zoom lens such as the Nikon Coolpix P900 you'll see its not exactly round; the images NASA produces are nothing but CGI images and shitty fantasy artwork produced by retarded contractors. I don't think anyone is saying that planets are perfectly spherical or round. What does it mean when you say ''It's just a theory'' Do you understand what you are saying? A scientific theory is not just a theory. |
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I don't know what's going on with exchanges lately but it's not good. I deposited money through cex.io a long time ago, somehow my ''proof of residence'' wasn't good, fair enough. More than 2 weeks ago I sent them another proof of residence, this time a good one but still not verified. I understand there are a lot of users and they are busy but after 20 days, how difficult can it be to look at 1 single paper and verify it? I wouldn't be this mad but I also want to withdraw some money to my bank and I have seen users complaining that it takes also weeks so basically I'm going to spend months just to withdraw some money?
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I thought this website was going to be faster than other exchanges so I tried to make a 500 euros transfer to my bank. I did that last Wednesday, still nothing ''In progress'' Supposedly, in their FAQ is clearly stated that it takes 1 day if it's a SEPA transaction which it is. I understand there are bank holidays, but my transaction should have arrived the last friday or at least yesterday but still nothing.
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I simply cannot believe this. This is again doubting and denying science. It is a proven fact that we're all related to each other.. Yes.. we're also related to a stupid tree.
all living organism on earth share the basic DNA. Thats a fact. So we did not come from heaven. But whatever, believe what you want if it helps you.
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I'm not bullsh!tting on the bible or any religion. I don't believe in any religion - yes. But the bible, for instance, just describes the things as they knew it. Guys.. thats a long way from writing such books to nowadays understanding of life.
Simply Google "evolution is impossible" to see that there are lots of reasons why evolution is impossible. All of foundational evolution theory is written like it was something you had to believe in to make it true. There are no concrete facts for evolution found by those who actually do the search for evolution. The evidence fits creation better. The few almost-facts for evolution, are things done in the lab, where scientists are the makers... not in nature where the whole thing comes about by natural means. No facts for evolution are found in nature. On top of all that, cause and effect operates precisely according to the laws of physics. If there is anything that is pure randomness, we haven't found it for a fact. Yet evolution theory says that evolutionary changes are done by "random" mutations. This is exactly opposite of cause and effect which we see operating in millions or billions of things, or more. Evolution is a cute idea that doesn't have any backing outside a lot of talk. In fact, it is the loads of talk that keeps evolution alive as a theory. There are no facts behind evolution. It is a story like any science fiction story, except that it is contributed to by multitudes of people. Evolution is a story that doesn't fit reality. Because many of the proponents of evolution realize that they have no facts to back evolution up, and yet they keep on saying that evolution is true, evolution has become one of the greatest hoaxes around. Lay (non-scientific) people who believe these evolution proponents, are believers in a religion... the evolution religion. Evolution is a hoax. I already googled that and it didn't show anything: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.msg27216030#msg27216030''The evidence fits creation better.'' Literally all dating methods show that creation is false, you know, older than 6-10k thousand years old. ''If there is anything that is pure randomness, we haven't found it'' You claimed god is pure randomness, so you did find it. Also pretty much all science dismisses the bible (creation) : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errorsYou can google that as well since you like google so much, ''scientific errors in the bible'' There are plenty. You fail to properly apply what I said regarding whatever it is that you Googled in that top link of yours. There aren't any mistakes in the bible. There are only people (kinda like you) who twist the meanings of what is written in the Bible, to mean something that the Bible doesn't say. The bible is 6k to 10k years old meaning that earth and the universe are just as old, however that has been proven wrong through dozens of different methods of dating, all showing that earth and the universe are far older. |
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Are you trying to prove the bible and your god are false? ''300,000-year-old skulls'' So you admit that 300k years ago life/earth/universe existed. Thanks for confirming that the bible is a hoax You're in the wrong topic. Evolution is a hoax. But you didn't respond to what I said the last time  You quoted my response. You're starting to get as goofy as Vod.  After this you just went on posting 20 different links that only prove earth is older than the bible. Actually, what my links proved is that evolution scientists are so mixed up among themselves, that they can't help showing by their research that... catch this now... Evolution is a hoax. You are showing that evolutionists disagree on things, good job. You know, they are still evolutionists and all your links still assume evolution is real? |
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I simply cannot believe this. This is again doubting and denying science. It is a proven fact that we're all related to each other.. Yes.. we're also related to a stupid tree.
all living organism on earth share the basic DNA. Thats a fact. So we did not come from heaven. But whatever, believe what you want if it helps you.
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I'm not bullsh!tting on the bible or any religion. I don't believe in any religion - yes. But the bible, for instance, just describes the things as they knew it. Guys.. thats a long way from writing such books to nowadays understanding of life.
Simply Google "evolution is impossible" to see that there are lots of reasons why evolution is impossible. All of foundational evolution theory is written like it was something you had to believe in to make it true. There are no concrete facts for evolution found by those who actually do the search for evolution. The evidence fits creation better. The few almost-facts for evolution, are things done in the lab, where scientists are the makers... not in nature where the whole thing comes about by natural means. No facts for evolution are found in nature. On top of all that, cause and effect operates precisely according to the laws of physics. If there is anything that is pure randomness, we haven't found it for a fact. Yet evolution theory says that evolutionary changes are done by "random" mutations. This is exactly opposite of cause and effect which we see operating in millions or billions of things, or more. Evolution is a cute idea that doesn't have any backing outside a lot of talk. In fact, it is the loads of talk that keeps evolution alive as a theory. There are no facts behind evolution. It is a story like any science fiction story, except that it is contributed to by multitudes of people. Evolution is a story that doesn't fit reality. Because many of the proponents of evolution realize that they have no facts to back evolution up, and yet they keep on saying that evolution is true, evolution has become one of the greatest hoaxes around. Lay (non-scientific) people who believe these evolution proponents, are believers in a religion... the evolution religion. Evolution is a hoax. I already googled that and it didn't show anything: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.msg27216030#msg27216030''The evidence fits creation better.'' Literally all dating methods show that creation is false, you know, older than 6-10k thousand years old. ''If there is anything that is pure randomness, we haven't found it'' You claimed god is pure randomness, so you did find it. Also pretty much all science dismisses the bible (creation) : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errorsYou can google that as well since you like google so much, ''scientific errors in the bible'' There are plenty. |
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Are you trying to prove the bible and your god are false? ''300,000-year-old skulls'' So you admit that 300k years ago life/earth/universe existed. Thanks for confirming that the bible is a hoax You're in the wrong topic. Evolution is a hoax. But you didn't respond to what I said the last time You quoted my response. You're starting to get as goofy as Vod. After this you just went on posting 20 different links that only prove earth is older than the bible. |
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Are you trying to prove the bible and your god are false? ''300,000-year-old skulls'' So you admit that 300k years ago life/earth/universe existed. Thanks for confirming that the bible is a hoax You're in the wrong topic. Evolution is a hoax. But you didn't respond to what I said the last time |
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Are you trying to prove the bible and your god are false? ''300,000-year-old skulls'' So you admit that 300k years ago life/earth/universe existed. Thanks for confirming that the bible is a hoax |
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Those are mountains, you're fucking retarded along with the last 5 shitposters. It's actually gravity |
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Computer Scientists 'Prove' God Exists
For centuries, many have tried to use this kind of abstract reasoning to prove the possibility or necessity of the existence of God. But the mathematical model composed by Gödel proposed a proof of the idea. Its theorems and axioms -- assumptions which cannot be proven -- can be expressed as mathematical equations. And that means they can be proven.Researchers have cracked the "GOD CODE", they used computers to validate the axioms that refute Naturalism and confirm the necessity of the existence of GOD. No, no, no. Gödel's first incompleteness theorem is just a result about the limitations of axiom systems. That's all. It is particularly worrying when people state that they have little knowledge of mathematics (let alone of mathematical logic) yet feel certain that there is something metaphysically profound going on here. All the misinterpretations out there of Gödel's results on incompletenesss prompted the late Swedish logician Torkel Franzén to write a book called Gödel's Theorem: An Incomplete Guide to Its Use and Abuse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof#Criticism |
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So now we are back to cause and effect? Evolution does fit cause and effect because as you said god has no cause therefore everything he did is random.
Again, you show your deceptiveness. Just because we don't know much about the nature of God, doesn't mean that He doesn't use cause and effect, even if He, Himself, had no cause. It doesn't mean that He doesn't use random, either. But nature shows that random doesn't exist within it, simply by the fact that nature's cause was God. And since god has no cause it renders everything random unless you now claim god has a cause. If the cause of everything is ultimately a causeless cause then everything is truly random. God having no cause is simply something that shows that God is outside of the universe. C&E is a universe thing. But you are not following the logic. Say a computer has a cause, the human that made it and the human itself has a cause and so on until god which is the cause of everything, right? However because god has no cause, as you claim, that makes everything else random in the sense that everything was created randomly by something with no cause. It doesn't matter that the computer had a cause because ultimately what made the computer exist in the first place is something without a cause therefore random. That's why evolution exists because mutations are essentially random. Why do you assume randomness? It's not logical to say that something outside of the universe necessarily follows or doesn't follows laws - has or doesn't have randomness - but certainly not laws of the universe. If it were the laws of the universe that it followed, it would be part of the universe. The closest that we easily, scientifically see within the universe, that doesn't follow the laws of the universe as we know them, is "nothing." We don't really know what the laws of empty space - nothing - are. We understand all kinds of laws regarding the material and energy that exist within the empty space of the universe. But the laws of the empty space itself have not been clearly defined. If someone does know, he isn't expressing it very well. How much less can we understand if God, outside of the universe altogether, has laws or not, and what they might be, except when He reveals them to us? You claimed god has no cause, though, didn't you? If something has no cause it means is random, I'm not assuming anything, I'm simply following your logic. What caused the random and what effect did it have?.. Has anyone fell over?..So why did you fall over if no random..But we know people fall over.. We know things evolve but just like falling over that's how the random works.. I am not telling you Astargath i am just adding to get it into badeckers head.. I don't know, badecker just doesn't make much sense anymore, he is now just desperately trying to hold his position. First, he argued evolution is impossible because some things show that it is impossible. I debunked them. Then he said that because everything has a cause, mutations cannot be random so I said, if everything has a cause then we are just going to have infinite regression, this has a cause, this cause has a cause and so on for infinity and it doesn't solve anything. Then he said that ''god'' which he claims is the creator of everything actually has no cause, which violates his whole argument of ''everything has a cause''. If his argument is based on everything having a cause then he is actually saying that evolution is true because he said himself that there is something without a cause and furthermore that ''something'' caused everything, rendering everything random intrinsically. I'm honored, that you think enough of me and my points to consider me like this. However, it makes you look awfully foolish to have to consider me rather than the topic. And especially when you are making me look like some kind of a professionally thinker that has made a mistake. Your dependence on me is amazing. But, I guess it's all you have since... Evolution has been proven to be a hoax. Yeah, that doesn't really respond to what I said. Happy new year badecker. |
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So now we are back to cause and effect? Evolution does fit cause and effect because as you said god has no cause therefore everything he did is random.
Again, you show your deceptiveness. Just because we don't know much about the nature of God, doesn't mean that He doesn't use cause and effect, even if He, Himself, had no cause. It doesn't mean that He doesn't use random, either. But nature shows that random doesn't exist within it, simply by the fact that nature's cause was God. And since god has no cause it renders everything random unless you now claim god has a cause. If the cause of everything is ultimately a causeless cause then everything is truly random. God having no cause is simply something that shows that God is outside of the universe. C&E is a universe thing. But you are not following the logic. Say a computer has a cause, the human that made it and the human itself has a cause and so on until god which is the cause of everything, right? However because god has no cause, as you claim, that makes everything else random in the sense that everything was created randomly by something with no cause. It doesn't matter that the computer had a cause because ultimately what made the computer exist in the first place is something without a cause therefore random. That's why evolution exists because mutations are essentially random. Why do you assume randomness? It's not logical to say that something outside of the universe necessarily follows or doesn't follows laws - has or doesn't have randomness - but certainly not laws of the universe. If it were the laws of the universe that it followed, it would be part of the universe. The closest that we easily, scientifically see within the universe, that doesn't follow the laws of the universe as we know them, is "nothing." We don't really know what the laws of empty space - nothing - are. We understand all kinds of laws regarding the material and energy that exist within the empty space of the universe. But the laws of the empty space itself have not been clearly defined. If someone does know, he isn't expressing it very well. How much less can we understand if God, outside of the universe altogether, has laws or not, and what they might be, except when He reveals them to us? You claimed god has no cause, though, didn't you? If something has no cause it means is random, I'm not assuming anything, I'm simply following your logic. What caused the random and what effect did it have?.. Has anyone fell over?..So why did you fall over if no random..But we know people fall over.. We know things evolve but just like falling over that's how the random works.. I am not telling you Astargath i am just adding to get it into badeckers head.. I don't know, badecker just doesn't make much sense anymore, he is now just desperately trying to hold his position. First, he argued evolution is impossible because some things show that it is impossible. I debunked them. Then he said that because everything has a cause, mutations cannot be random so I said, if everything has a cause then we are just going to have infinite regression, this has a cause, this cause has a cause and so on for infinity and it doesn't solve anything. Then he said that ''god'' which he claims is the creator of everything actually has no cause, which violates his whole argument of ''everything has a cause''. If his argument is based on everything having a cause then he is actually saying that evolution is true because he said himself that there is something without a cause and furthermore that ''something'' caused everything, rendering everything random intrinsically. |
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So now we are back to cause and effect? Evolution does fit cause and effect because as you said god has no cause therefore everything he did is random.
Again, you show your deceptiveness. Just because we don't know much about the nature of God, doesn't mean that He doesn't use cause and effect, even if He, Himself, had no cause. It doesn't mean that He doesn't use random, either. But nature shows that random doesn't exist within it, simply by the fact that nature's cause was God. And since god has no cause it renders everything random unless you now claim god has a cause. If the cause of everything is ultimately a causeless cause then everything is truly random. God having no cause is simply something that shows that God is outside of the universe. C&E is a universe thing. But you are not following the logic. Say a computer has a cause, the human that made it and the human itself has a cause and so on until god which is the cause of everything, right? However because god has no cause, as you claim, that makes everything else random in the sense that everything was created randomly by something with no cause. It doesn't matter that the computer had a cause because ultimately what made the computer exist in the first place is something without a cause therefore random. That's why evolution exists because mutations are essentially random. Why do you assume randomness? It's not logical to say that something outside of the universe necessarily follows or doesn't follows laws - has or doesn't have randomness - but certainly not laws of the universe. If it were the laws of the universe that it followed, it would be part of the universe. The closest that we easily, scientifically see within the universe, that doesn't follow the laws of the universe as we know them, is "nothing." We don't really know what the laws of empty space - nothing - are. We understand all kinds of laws regarding the material and energy that exist within the empty space of the universe. But the laws of the empty space itself have not been clearly defined. If someone does know, he isn't expressing it very well. How much less can we understand if God, outside of the universe altogether, has laws or not, and what they might be, except when He reveals them to us? You claimed god has no cause, though, didn't you? If something has no cause it means is random, I'm not assuming anything, I'm simply following your logic. |
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