Any one notice Minersource not selling batch2 any more only the inflated batch1
They know something we don't know, and the last week before shipping is supposed to happen is a bad time for them to not give us an update. So how screwed are we ? I dunno, but they've updated the website. http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/"We are diligent, enthusiastic, with a keen sense of humour and with spare capacity to learn. We are used to getting things done!" ya just can't make this shit up. More like, "we are using our customers to get things done." |
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I was offered a ~9 BTC refund as compensation for my ~$10,000 order.  Man I am sorry, was the order through MinerSource or BA? |
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Anyone else notice how Blackarrow Matt has been Mia for like two months now?
I noticed a sort of revolving customer support experience, someone new from BA would start and post for a while, then they would rotate out and their would be no one for a while, while they said they were looking for a PR person, then no real official update on a hired PR person, and instead someone else from "within the company" would start posting here. That seemed to happen like 2 or 3 times with new people just revolving in. |
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Thanks for waiting BA, I am back from lunch so feel free to make your weekly announcement!
I have a bad feeling they're just going to stay quiet. Nah they were just waiting for me  lol |
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Thanks for waiting BA, I am back from lunch so feel free to make your weekly announcement!
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Alright BA, I am going out to lunch soon, please wait until I get back to post your update as I would love to hear (and secretly be apart of) the HUGE backlash your about to receive. Please also include a short statement as to why you will not bet me that you will ship a completed product on May 1st, certainly you will know that you will 1) Either ship that day and make the easiest $250 ever (even easier than opening a product for preorder with a deadline you know you wont hit) or 2) you know you won't hit the deadline but have not told us because your afraid of the backlash that will ensue. I think at this point we don't have to worry about any "professional" "ethics" disputes about betting on when you'll ship, for that ship has sailed long ago, so please let me know if #1 or #2 is what is currently happening. Be back after lunch! |
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Dear DebitMe,
I see that you would like me to put 0.5 BTC down on the shipping date. However much I would like to do that I can't. I feel it is not appropriate for me to do so personally.
Kind regards,
David Here is the message that I received from David about my offer to bet him. I would say from this response that their is new information we are not privy to yet, that their will be additional delays. He can argue all he wants that it is, "unprofessional" to make a wager like this, but in reality, it should be the easiest $250 dollars he ever made, if they are on schedule, the fact that he will not take the bet is pure indication that it is widely known that the new shipping date will not be met. Plus, why would they choose now to start acting professionally? I also would believe that once BA received chips their would be a special update saying that they had received them, including pictures and the like. There has been no such update although if I remember correctly, the chips should have been received by now? Time to get in for refunds is slowly dwindling and I urge everyone to please consider going for a refund immediately. |
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David care to put up .5 bitcoins that nothing will ship on May 1st?
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If David (or anyone else is interested) I will bet .5 bitcoins that nothing will ship on the 1st of May, care to put your money where your mouth is? Of course we will use escrow.
BA doesn't gamble with it's own money. Here's the wager structure: You send 0.5 BTC The End Yes they do, they took customer funds and left them in bitcoin instead of cashing them out to pay for expenses to try and play the market. EDIT: Although since they seem pretty confident in this deadline, I should probably get odds to something like .5 bitcoins from me and they put up an X-3 unit, that would be fair IMHO. EDIT 2: The very first X-3 unit off of the assembly line  Sure, but then they turned around and made customers pay for their loss by refunding lesser value in BTC than was given. Heads I win, tails you lose. Nevermind all that. Here's a rendering. Can I get an ooooaaaaah? Yessss, Lawd! Please Lawd, bless da bitcoin and look upon your good BA brethren and forgive their lies and thievery, for it is clear they know not what they do.... Very true, it was gambling with a winning outcome no matter what. Either way, I still would like David to put up some money on whether these will be shipped or not? Or better yet BA themselves take the bet. |
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If David (or anyone else is interested) I will bet .5 bitcoins that nothing will ship on the 1st of May, care to put your money where your mouth is? Of course we will use escrow.
BA doesn't gamble with it's own money. Here's the wager structure: You send 0.5 BTC The End Yes they do, they took customer funds and left them in bitcoin instead of cashing them out to pay for expenses to try and play the market. EDIT: Although since they seem pretty confident in this deadline, I should probably get odds to something like .5 bitcoins from me and they put up an X-3 unit, that would be fair IMHO. EDIT 2: The very first X-3 unit off of the assembly line So that's December 2020 then for the first X3 lol I am simply asking them to decide if they can ship on time. If they are realistically going to hit this goal then it should not be a problem for them to accept this offer immediately, if they do not answer or refuse, then it is only safe to assume that they have no expectation to hit the May 1st shipping date. |
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If David (or anyone else is interested) I will bet .5 bitcoins that nothing will ship on the 1st of May, care to put your money where your mouth is? Of course we will use escrow.
BA doesn't gamble with it's own money. Here's the wager structure: You send 0.5 BTC The End Yes they do, they took customer funds and left them in bitcoin instead of cashing them out to pay for expenses to try and play the market. EDIT: Although since they seem pretty confident in this deadline, I should probably get odds to something like .5 bitcoins from me and they put up an X-3 unit, that would be fair IMHO. EDIT 2: The very first X-3 unit off of the assembly line |
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If David (or anyone else is interested) I will bet .5 bitcoins that nothing will ship on the 1st of May, care to put your money where your mouth is? Of course we will use escrow.
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To clear things up. The development of the LTC chip has not been funded by the money of the pre-orders of the prospero miners. It is a project by the engineers which earn a salary.
So where did the money go that was being used for the SHA chip? In the first post, it says that you did not have to open up for pre-orders because the chip was already 70% funded and you can get the rest of the money easily. But that you would open up pre-orders anyway (in retrospect this should have been a huge tip off, but that's neither here nor there). Now, nearly all of the money taken in from pre-orders is being used to fund production costs of the chip (hence why no refunds are being distributed), care to comment on where all the money is? Edit: Since our preorders (likely estimated in the millions of dollars) is only being used for 30% of development, we are looking at one hell of an expensive chip if we are too believe that first post. |
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I got really excited and was hoping he videotaped himself levitating, sorely let down I must say.
Btw, I bought a pair of swim trunks for that huge tsunami that was supposed to hit the coastline of U.S., that never happened, so now I want to be reimbursed for those with the medical bills incurred from staring into the sun.
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If zurg didn't act like a douce bag no one would have picked on him. He maybe a great guy but giving sarcastic replys to people when he doesn't even work for ba doesn't help people who are frustrated and worried about money they are now owed.
Even worse is the Nemesidis guy on Black Arrow's own forums. Although it appears he's representing some kind of official capacity. The approach on their own forums seems to fairly consistently be to mock and patronize customers. Regardless, since the new deadline has been made, no official BA remark has been made about whether or not the current deadline is within ascertaining. Many have asked, but BA cannot take the literally 2 seconds to state they believe it is still possible to hit this deadline. Personally, if it were my company and many people were starting to spread rumors about if I would hit my targets, I would quickly issue a statement deconfirming their myths, and yet, they allow us to spread FUD based on our calculations, when we have no real knowledge of the process. It just does not make sense to me, especially since they are continuing to sell products, I just believe it would be much easier to jump on quick and say, "we can definitely meet this deadline" instead of allowing people to continue to tarnish the delivery date and probably skew sales. |
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A delay is imminent. if they wanted to ship the beginning of may the should start assemble next week. as we can see they still need to get parts at the end of next week.  Let the flood of refunds commence, BA care to jump on here and share your thoughts on the delivery schedule and what we are looking at? Hopefully provide a little more than, "we are on schedule"? |
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My refund was for a single X-3, and my heart goes out to you, please know that as this is a very unfortunate circumstance. I know that is a lot of money that you put out for those, and to have to go through all of that, when more than 20K was on the table is troublesome to say the least. I wish their was more that I could do, unfortunately I am just a bystander in this, same as you, who apparently got lucky. Please know I will be praying for you, as well as anyone else who is looking for a way out of this mess. It pains me to see others get screwed as much as they have. I am not even blaming MinerSource, as I do not believe this is their fault. I have ordered with them before and will order with them again. I have nothing but pleasant experiences working with them, but unfortunately, I think they are getting screwed just as much as everyone else by dealing with BA. I truly do not believe that BA has malicious intent at heart. But as we are talking a ton of money, and I assume they had to pay BA to get your order in, we must assume it is BA that is holding this whole thing up. Not to mention that not a single person who ordered straight from BA has gotten a refund. So please, I know it is tough not to blame MinerSource, especially with so much money tied into it. And yes, the laws in the United States protect people from this very thing and you could easily take this to the justice system for resolution, but remember who has really screwed you over here! MinerSource did not lie about where the production status was back in January, MinerSource has not kept an interest free loan, and gambled on the price of bitcoin with your money, and MinerSource did not use your money to fund development of other projects (scrypt chip). I agree it was not professional making you wait that long without an explanation, and I assume they take responsibility for doing that, but I think they are under a lot of pressure right now from BA as well. I will take this opportunity again to explain my feelings about refunds. GET THEM NOW! In another day or two when we find out that the devices will take anywhere from a few more days to a few more weeks because something is wrong with the chips, or they cannot manufacture that many devices so quickly, there will be a flood of refund requests, and you will more than likely not get served. I highly doubt they will be the first company in bitcoinland to provide a chip out of fab that exactly meets their specifications. In the event that they do end up shipping on time and get orders out, you will still be happy you received a refund, as they will immediately drop the price of their machines and you can buy back again, as they are still selling miners that will presumably ship on the same date as everyone else's orders. The price drop will far outway the measly 25% compensation package they are currently providing, putting you in a better position. 1 TH/s machines are approaching the $2500 mark (I think I saw someone selling for $2800 ish I think) which is under their current price point. GET A REFUND NOW OR LOSE OUT, that is my piece of advice. Thanks for the info and your well wishes. Since I posted I've been in touch with Matt through several emails and I think we will work out something this week. I do agree that he's on the up-and-up and doing the best he can. My real concern was the silence, and now we seem to be making progress. I also think BA is for real, if you compare this thread to AMT's it's like night and day. I almost ordered from them, but switched and am glad on a daily basis. AMT finally started shipping some miners, but they are horribly broken. I think once the BA machines do deliver they will be quality machines at least. Maybe I'm the eternal optimist though. I agree that BA seems to be legit if we are talking about working to make a chip and release something. What I am horribly pissed and let down about is that not only did they completely miss their first shipping date, but they completely and flat out lied about being on track to hit it until a month before, and we still have not even heard so much as an apology for... 1) Missing the shipping date 2) Lying about being on schedule (and they can tell you all they want that they did not know, but less than a month from shipping with no tape out tells a completely different story which if they truly believe that they should be on the same level as Mark Karpelas in terms of stupidity) 3) Giving us some shit compensation package that still will not make us break even, much less turn a positive ROI, on these things, meanwhile telling us that it is none of their concern on whether their customers break even. I truly do not believe there is any hope of them hitting this new deadline. Chips should be out of fab in the next couple of days per my calculations and the only chance they have is that everything is perfect (like literally perfect where they do not even have to test the chip, but basically start dropping them into boards and sending them out the door). I just do not see that happening, but I could be wrong. Even if I am wrong though, I will just buy another X-3 when they start shipping that should be delivered at the same time as everyone elses...ehh I am just ranting again, trying to get people to see how much they have been screwed. I think a more likely scenario is, we will see another couple week delay, at which time they will deliver a very well made device that is practically worthless in the world of bitcoin. |
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Update of my refund:
I received a check yesterday from Minersource in the agreed upon amount and brought it to the bank today. The teller cashed the check and gave me some cash and put the rest into my account, so I do not think their was any problem with the check.
I appreciate the refund guys, keep up the good work. For those of you still waiting on refunds I wish you the best. I will be one of you again if the price keeps going up and I need to unload my bunch of X-1's.
Thanks,
DebitMe
Well that's good to hear, but I've had no luck. After 2 weeks of emails, PMs and phone calls, I finally got a reply from Matt yesterday after I set an appointment to meet him at their offices on Wednesday. (I live about 20 minutes away.) It turns out the location listed on Minersource.net is a mail drop. Matt didn't offer the physical address, but gave a curt reply that due to the size of my refund (4 X-3s) he had to get it OKd by BA. It's BS that it took me stating that I was coming to the office for him to finally reply, and it's also bs to push responsibility off on BA. I purchased the miners from Minersource.net, not from BA. Minersource owes me the refund. I've been trying to keep this civil and out of the public forums, but all I get in return is silence and then that bullshit. It is hard not to think I'm being ignored with the hope that the machines will ship and they won't have to pay out. I had even offered to help migrate their old database, to which he replied in this forum that he had PMd me, but he never did. I even reached out to him via email to help on that, but never heard back. DebitMe, would you mind sharing how many machines your refund was for? My refund was for a single X-3, and my heart goes out to you, please know that as this is a very unfortunate circumstance. I know that is a lot of money that you put out for those, and to have to go through all of that, when more than 20K was on the table is troublesome to say the least. I wish their was more that I could do, unfortunately I am just a bystander in this, same as you, who apparently got lucky. Please know I will be praying for you, as well as anyone else who is looking for a way out of this mess. It pains me to see others get screwed as much as they have. I am not even blaming MinerSource, as I do not believe this is their fault. I have ordered with them before and will order with them again. I have nothing but pleasant experiences working with them, but unfortunately, I think they are getting screwed just as much as everyone else by dealing with BA. I truly do not believe that BA has malicious intent at heart. But as we are talking a ton of money, and I assume they had to pay BA to get your order in, we must assume it is BA that is holding this whole thing up. Not to mention that not a single person who ordered straight from BA has gotten a refund. So please, I know it is tough not to blame MinerSource, especially with so much money tied into it. And yes, the laws in the United States protect people from this very thing and you could easily take this to the justice system for resolution, but remember who has really screwed you over here! MinerSource did not lie about where the production status was back in January, MinerSource has not kept an interest free loan, and gambled on the price of bitcoin with your money, and MinerSource did not use your money to fund development of other projects (scrypt chip). I agree it was not professional making you wait that long without an explanation, and I assume they take responsibility for doing that, but I think they are under a lot of pressure right now from BA as well. I will take this opportunity again to explain my feelings about refunds. GET THEM NOW! In another day or two when we find out that the devices will take anywhere from a few more days to a few more weeks because something is wrong with the chips, or they cannot manufacture that many devices so quickly, there will be a flood of refund requests, and you will more than likely not get served. I highly doubt they will be the first company in bitcoinland to provide a chip out of fab that exactly meets their specifications. In the event that they do end up shipping on time and get orders out, you will still be happy you received a refund, as they will immediately drop the price of their machines and you can buy back again, as they are still selling miners that will presumably ship on the same date as everyone else's orders. The price drop will far outway the measly 25% compensation package they are currently providing, putting you in a better position. 1 TH/s machines are approaching the $2500 mark (I think I saw someone selling for $2800 ish I think) which is under their current price point. GET A REFUND NOW OR LOSE OUT, that is my piece of advice. |
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Update of my refund:
I received a check yesterday from Minersource in the agreed upon amount and brought it to the bank today. The teller cashed the check and gave me some cash and put the rest into my account, so I do not think their was any problem with the check.
I appreciate the refund guys, keep up the good work. For those of you still waiting on refunds I wish you the best. I will be one of you again if the price keeps going up and I need to unload my bunch of X-1's.
Thanks,
DebitMe
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