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3221  Economy / Economics / Re: Why Socialism is the key on: February 29, 2016, 04:00:45 PM

It is sick and disgusting for you to try to replace family and religion with government.

But at least you've admitted why you want to destroy society -
If people have familes, if children have fathers,
then they won't turn to you and other government elites to control their lives.

So what about those who have no family or those who have a poor family or those who have a family that doesn't want to help them?
3222  Economy / Economics / Re: Why Socialism is the key on: February 29, 2016, 03:57:16 PM
So you're saying you don't understand the ideas you're promoting.

If people get goods and services for free, someone else has to work for free.  Slavery.

Nah, just that somebody else is paying for it, that's called tax.


Somebody else has to work for it,
but they don't get to keep what they work for.

That's called slavery.




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Nah, you don't have to lower the chances of some, you can also increase the chances of the others.


So you're saying that billionaires can exist without lowering anyone else's chances of economic equality?

Or in fact does your plan enforce equality by bringing everyone down to a lower level?




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Whaou, ok in this way you're right if you consider that taking more money from those who have more is the same as "punishing peopl" then yes it is.


Yes, taking money from people is the same as taking money from people.  

Can you explain any effective difference between taking someone's money to discourage them from selling drugs,
and your plan of taking someone's money to discourage them from curing cancer?




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Hmm... You get paid only if you spent some time working and the time you get paid is proportional to the time you worked.


So you want to let disabled people starve?  

Or are you just lying about people only getting paid if they worked?




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Not the point, the idea is that in a socialist state you're never alone, the state is always here to back you up if you're in need.


It is sick and disgusting for you to try to replace family and religion with government.

But at least you've admitted why you want to destroy society -
If people have familes, if children have fathers,
then they won't turn to you and other government elites to control their lives.




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In fact it's much easier to create things and take risks and responsability knowing that even if you fail the state will take care of your children!


So now you're admitting that you want to reward failure.

You wasted everyone's time denying it,
because you know people hate your ideas and will never agree unless you lie about what you want to do.



Hey funny how you ignore 80% of my answers and only took the ones you wanted no? ^^

Anyway I won't lose much more time about this.

Yes the idea is socialism is to have a redistribution of wealth. Yes the idea of socialism is that the state is here to provide education and health care to EVERYONE and yes the idea of a socialist state is that the rich have to pay a bit more in order for the children of the poor to have a chance to access to a better education. I don't see what's wrong with that.

Let's take it from the other way around:
I'm from a rather poor family. I couldn't pay for my studies. thanks to socialism I had the same chances to access good schools and as I'm hard worker I was able to have a great engineering school.
What is wrong with that? Now I'll create technologies that will help people and society.

What you forget in your flawed reasoning is that numerous people could work and make a better world but they can't as they will never be able to afford the studies.

Socialism is here to give them this opportunity.

Now tell me how bas it is.
3223  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: February 29, 2016, 03:34:39 PM
Ouch. This stupidity hurts me.

You're wrong of course. Here the word "point" is used with a non mathematical definition. It's an expression to describe a truly tiny part of space. It's like when you say "oh, this ship is really far, it's barely a point on the horizon".

"Point" to you might be only a very tiny spot. But "point" in black hole theory means infinitely tiny, which also means, no size. No size means that it does not exist.

Cool

Oh you're talking about the real black hole theory? Not just your basic description of it?
Well yes it is infinitely tiny and so what? Why wouldn't it make any sense?

No size means it doesn't exist? Funny then tell me what's the size of the soul, of god, of heaven...  Grin

Now that you believe in God, you tell me His size.    Cool

Meh? What? Nah you're telling me it's impossible to have something that has no size but doesn't exist. I say it can. That's all.

Funny thing is you have but two choices:
1/ You accept that something without size can exist, hence Black holes theory might be true.
2/ You refuse something without a size can exist, hence Black holes theory is wrong but God and Souls do not exist as they have no size

Another logical dead end for religion.

What do God and souls have to do with size? And how do you know that they have no size. If you believe such without proof, then you have a religion going for yourself. But, by the very definition of the parts of black holes, the place where all the matter exists is point-size, which means that it has no size whatever. No size means no matter means no black hole.

The scientists and cosmologists and mathematicians are playing with the minds of people just to earn a living off them. And you fell for it.

Cool

If souls have a size why can't you we see them? Same goes for God.

The link between God-souls and size is that if what has no size can't exist, then where are the souls?
3224  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 29, 2016, 03:28:35 PM
Speaking of alts, I'm going to come up with an alt coin called "Blockchain".

That way all of the news reporters that want to downplay Bitcoin and talk about "Blockchain" will be pumping my shitcoin.

The standard media formula has become...if it's bad news, use 'Bitcoin'. If good news, use 'Blockchain'.

I'm gonna be rich bitches.

You know it's actually not such a bad idea so scam people and newbies? ^^
3225  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Gay marriage will destabilise family life on: February 29, 2016, 03:26:13 PM
What is dangerous or indoctrinating in teaching them how the body works? Oo

What is perverse about this??

It's just to explain them how they work! That's all!
You consider indoctrination and perversion explaining them how you make babies? xD
Kids are not yet mentally prepared for knowledge like this.
You can influence on kids because they are not corrupted and don't have attitude yet.
This is very dangerous and you must be retarded not to see where all this is going.

It is natural for kids to be curious about new things.
Did you watch porn at age 6?
Do you know how this is dangerous?

Lol, so what's the correct age for such thing my dear sir? And who decides of it?

And there is an incredible difference between porn and sex education --'
3226  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: February 29, 2016, 03:25:08 PM
Because social conditions can, at times, change very rapidly.  Historically there are many cases of this.  Currently, the huge influx of "refugees" is such a condition.

Exactly. More than 1,000 cases of sexual assault were reported from various German cities (especially from Cologne and Hamburg) during the new years eve. More than 1,000 assaults in a 24-hour period! And that is just the tip of the iceberg, as most of the crimes are not reported. According to the latest reports, Arab immigrants are arriving in Greece at a rate of around 5,000 per day.

Cause you think it would have changed ANYTHING to have a gun country....
Absolutely it would have changed things.



Please then explain why Texas is having more rapes than other states while having 83% of whites (which is extremely high) and one of the highest gun concentration in USA.

It's easy. The statistics you are using are wrong.    Cool

Wrong in which way? Wrong as in "there is no correlation" or wrong in "the data used is false"?
3227  Economy / Economics / Re: Why Socialism is the key on: February 29, 2016, 03:20:53 PM
AHAHAHAH xD

Ok I just laughed far too much! Well it's a bit sad to see that an actual human can think so little but it was funny in its own way xD

I'll still try to explain you why your reasoning is false. But please take back your brain from TV, seems you let it there.

So you're saying you don't understand the ideas you're promoting.

If people get goods and services for free, someone else has to work for free.  Slavery.

Nah, just that somebody else is paying for it, that's called tax.
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If the government enforces "equal chances", then it must punish people who have "better chances" in order to make them equal.


Nah, you don't have to lower the chances of some, you can also increase the chances of the others.
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If the government takes more money from "successful" people, then the government punishes success.

Whaou, ok in this way you're right if you consider that taking more money from those who have more is the same as "punishing peopl" then yes it is.
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Aren't you aware that the government can impose fines and charge people money for breaking the law?
Under your system, here are some examples of crimes that could result in a $1,000,000 fine:
 - Fraud
Cause it's not punishable? You feel like Fraud shouldn't be punished?
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- Trafficking illegal drugs
That's the mere principle of "illegal" you know, what would you like to be done on illegal things? Rewarding?
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- Being successful
Nope, being successful leads to an increase of taxation, not a fine.
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- Helping the economy
Nope, if you invest the money in the economy then your not taxed, it would be stupid to do so.
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- Working harder than other people
Nope again I don't even see how you could fine someone for that
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- Inventing a new medicine that saves people's lives
No, in no way, I mean what the heck?
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- Inventing a new technology that improves the quality of life for millions of people
But what the fuck are you saying exactly please? Who would be punished for that? Give me one example in the entire socialist countries history!
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- Providing something more valuable to other people than what anyone else is providing
Ok I'm a bit tired of repeating myself so same answer as above.
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Since these are the activities you want to punish,
these are the activities you are discouraging.


Here are the activities you will encourage by paying people to do them:

 - Staying home all day
Well if you do this you'll earn barely enough to survive. But yes it's possible if you do nothing more than eating and sleeping all day. Experience shows that less than 0.1% of the population is even using this universal base income and most of them actively look for a job and find one after some time.
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- Getting drunk or high every day
What? What's the link?
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- Never getting a job
Hmm... You get paid only if you spent some time working and the time you get paid is proportional to the time you worked. The goal is to let you some time to find another job but if you do nothing you won't get paid for years doing nothing.
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- Not producing anything for society
Same as above
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- Never doing anything useful for another human being
Dude it's tiring seriously, same as above.
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- Not providing for your own children
Didn't understand this one
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- Getting pregnant at the age of 15
Actually it's the contrary, free education leads to less teenage pregnancy sorry.
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- Keeping children away from their own father
I don't see why, seems you have a strange vision of what socialism even mean.
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Why do you want to reward bad decisions while punishing responsibility?
Not the point, the idea is that in a socialist state you're never alone, the state is always here to back you up if you're in need. In fact it's much easier to create things and take risks and responsability knowing that even if you fail the state will take care of your children!
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It made sense during the Cold War when these policies were promoted by our enemies as subversive weapons to destroy Western Civilization, but why are you still promoting them?  


3228  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Gay marriage will destabilise family life on: February 29, 2016, 02:53:09 PM
I agree this is against human nature.

Great. Cool. So why are animals doing it? Because even animals are against nature? Why are homosexuals existing since the beginning of mankind? Because we're against the nature since we've been created?

Would you care to define "nature then"?
Everyone can do whatever he likes to do and that is not question at all.
If they love same sex they can enjoy it.

But when all this starts influence normal families then is time for draw the line.
This is about protecting family nothing more.


And my question is all about one thing:
In which way are gays marriage putting your family in danger?
3229  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Gay marriage will destabilise family life on: February 29, 2016, 02:52:21 PM
Gay marriage isn't the cause of destabilised family life. That was destabilized long time ago. I'd say this is an at least hundred years old story, what accelerating since the 70's, partly because of re-evaluation of traditional gender roles, partly because of the ever decreasing purchasing power of salaries, and also because of marxist indoctrination in most of the schools.

Ooooooooooooook...

So we should come back to the good old "woman at house, men at work" ?
If you want to go this way, I'd say the family destabilisation was caused probably a few thousands years ago, when we started to take care of our olds and weaks. A few thousands years ago we just let them die, it was much easier and much closer to nature.
3230  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: February 29, 2016, 02:49:27 PM
Because social conditions can, at times, change very rapidly.  Historically there are many cases of this.  Currently, the huge influx of "refugees" is such a condition.

Exactly. More than 1,000 cases of sexual assault were reported from various German cities (especially from Cologne and Hamburg) during the new years eve. More than 1,000 assaults in a 24-hour period! And that is just the tip of the iceberg, as most of the crimes are not reported. According to the latest reports, Arab immigrants are arriving in Greece at a rate of around 5,000 per day.

Cause you think it would have changed ANYTHING to have a gun country....
Absolutely it would have changed things.



Please then explain why Texas is having more rapes than other states while having 83% of whites (which is extremely high) and one of the highest gun concentration in USA.

Here are some more unrelated statistics which you can have fun with.

http://blog.estately.com/2015/03/what-does-each-state-have-more-of-than-any-other/

Obviously all of the above is caused by Texas having more pet tigers than other states.

Let's get real, please.

Hmm... You're the one saying there is a link between number of guns available to the population and rape rates. I never made such bull statement.
3231  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Who will win WW3? on: February 29, 2016, 01:59:37 PM

Because nobody can hit the Europe without getting nuked back.
Europe doesn't have power, no unity (they have warheads) they will never find consensus
even for some less important things and decisions. You can see this clearly from migrant crisis.

Another major problem and EU is finished.

EU as a political strength maybe. But as a military alliance it's powerful enough.
3232  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 10 THINGS 'IDIOCRACY' PREDICTED WOULD HAPPEN, AND SADLY ALREADY HAVE on: February 29, 2016, 01:49:54 PM
One of the numerous things I love about my country is that it's mandatory for TV channels to have 50% of their programmation to be French programs. That lets lots of time on the TV for new and intelligent visual creations between two shitty American Tv reality shows.

Another thing they could have kept in their country. Damn fucking invading immigrants.
3233  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 29, 2016, 01:43:47 PM

Can't move coins to pump.

Can't move coins to dump.

Can't use the frecker.

Bullish?

Going to touch the 450$

Bearish. It not gonna be broken so easily.
3234  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crazy shit Bible says, crazy shit Christians say on: February 29, 2016, 01:42:54 PM

Whaou, impressive.

It would be something to be able to clone yourself completely...

But what about experience and knowledge? Is it only a question of neuronal connexions?
And what if you clone yourself? What will happen then seeing another you?
And if you kill your other self? Will it be a suicide or a murder? ^^
3235  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Who will win WW3? on: February 29, 2016, 01:40:58 PM
Seems like no one really care about a real debate here but well...

Europe is the only winner of a potential WW3 as long as you see it. You can take it in any way you want, it's gonna be EU master at the end.
I don't see Europe as a winner at any case.
I expect major war (ignited by US In order to destroy Russia) Europe and Russia with Muslims. This is something that will happen in future maybe 20 years from now, by then Union will stop to exist anyway.
Because nobody can hit the Europe without getting nuked back.
3236  Economy / Economics / Re: Why Socialism is the key on: February 29, 2016, 01:39:41 PM

Here is the moral and the base of socialism:
-All citizens should have access to the basic needs which are food, education and healthcare.

 
So you require slavery, giving yourself "the right" to force other people to work and give you their goods and services for free.

What??? What are you talking about? Who's giving their goods and services for free???
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-All citizens should have equal chance of success


So you will use the violence of the government to punish people for the crimes of being smarter, healthier, or harder-working.


What again? Who's being punished by the government for such thing? What you're saying has absolutely no sense!!!
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-The successful citizens and companies should pay a bit more


So really you lied when you said all citizens should have equal chance of success? 

But what the fuck are you saying? All citizens have equal chances of success, which means once they are successful they got to pay a bit more in order to give the same chances they had to the next generation!
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Or do you really mean that no one will be allowed a chance to succeed, because they will be punished for trying?
But what the heck?? You seem to have a really terrible and barbaric vision of socialism dude Oo
Nobody will punish you for trying to be successful! On the contrary in socialist countries you'll be helped by the government to launch your activity! France invests millions every year to help young entrepreneurs to create their start-up!
3237  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: February 29, 2016, 01:34:09 PM
Must be something in the water during bronze age.

He created his Son who is him, sent him to Earth to die on the cross so that he can forgive sins of ants.  He had to die himself to forgive sins of some schmucks on 3rd rock from the Sun.  Hey, God,  you could have just forgave the sins.  Why bother with all the theatrical dying on the cross. 

You created the fucking universe, you could not forgive the sins of some insignificant bronze age schmucks?

The guy who first wrote this story was tripping on Meth.


Can't forgive the sins of gods that won't accept forgiveness.    Cool

I got to say I rather agree with af_newbie. Why can't God forgive the people he created for being dumb. He's still responsible for it isn't he?
3238  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: February 29, 2016, 01:00:39 PM
Mathematicians love math. It is their baby. You have to expect that mathematicians want their baby to exist in reality. But, math is all virtual, no matter what anyone says. Math is only a language that mankind uses to relate to the universe in certain ways.

A black hole can't exist according to the math of it. Why not? At the core of a black hole there exists a point that is supposed to contain an extreme amount of material, which causes an extreme amount of gravity. Among the definitions of "point" are:
1. something that has position but not extension, as the intersection of two lines.
2. a place of which the position alone is considered; spot:
3. In geometry, a location having no dimension — no length, height, or width — and identified by at least one coordinate.

Since a point has no dimension, it is nothing. There is no material in nothing. With no material, there can be no gravity. A black hole is a fictional "thing" that is abstractly presented in the minds of mathematicians, but does not exist in reality.

The anomaly in space that we call a black hole is something entirely different than the mathematical black hole of the cosmologists and the mathematicians.

Cool

Ouch. This stupidity hurts me.

You're wrong of course. Here the word "point" is used with a non mathematical definition. It's an expression to describe a truly tiny part of space. It's like when you say "oh, this ship is really far, it's barely a point on the horizon".
3239  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: February 29, 2016, 12:58:24 PM
On June 14, 1918, a nineteen year old Italian soldier by the name of Bernardo Vicario was ordered by his commander, Carl Rigoli, to carry out a curious task. Outnumbered and outgunned, the Italian forces would soon be hit with a furious bombardment that would mean the death of most of them. Rigoli clearly knew this, which is why he told young Bernardo to write an inscription on the ruined wall of a home in the village of Fagare, where they were holed up:

“Better to live one day as a lion than a hundred years as a sheep.”

Rigoli perished in the battle: Bernardo lived to tell the tale. And almost a hundred years later, a researcher looking for ways to smear GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump stumbled across a reference to it and attributed it to Benito Mussolini, the Italian dictator....more

The Lion and the Sheep

Why they hate Trump


by Justin Raimondo, February 29, 2016

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/02/28/the-lion-and-the-sheep/

No doubt a play on the famous biblical quote but, "they" used time travel technology however and changed the text of the bible; it's now the lamb and the wolf. Mandela effect researchers have a term for references to non-existent events/objects/media it's called "residue".

I was there when it was the lion and the lamb but go dig up an old bible from a time capsule and even it will say "wolf". History has been retroactively changed.

It's a joke right?

I mean I already saw you on the flat earth thread, you can't be serious you're just a troll we all agree on that no?
3240  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: February 29, 2016, 12:55:09 PM
Because social conditions can, at times, change very rapidly.  Historically there are many cases of this.  Currently, the huge influx of "refugees" is such a condition.

Exactly. More than 1,000 cases of sexual assault were reported from various German cities (especially from Cologne and Hamburg) during the new years eve. More than 1,000 assaults in a 24-hour period! And that is just the tip of the iceberg, as most of the crimes are not reported. According to the latest reports, Arab immigrants are arriving in Greece at a rate of around 5,000 per day.

Cause you think it would have changed ANYTHING to have a gun country....
Absolutely it would have changed things.



Please then explain why Texas is having more rapes than other states while having 83% of whites (which is extremely high) and one of the highest gun concentration in USA.
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