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3321  Other / Politics & Society / Re: High ranking member of the Devil worshiper cult illuminati Donald Trump sued on: August 30, 2013, 07:46:53 PM
Wow, SegWay made the list.  Who knew?
3322  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: bitjoy.org - Realtime Bitcoin Data on: August 30, 2013, 07:29:22 PM
el_Tico: Thanks, no plan to make money other then donations, ads are ugly and subscriptions limit reach.
Anything new coming on this?  Plans?  API? Smiley  I like it so far.
3323  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Assault weapon bans on: August 30, 2013, 07:21:53 PM
You seem to be confusing a number of things. In order to help you gain clarity, you should consider the nature and stability of the government in conjunction with the well being of the people before generalizing.

Can you be specific?  What nature, what government?  What do you imagine that I am not considering in the way you deem proper?

You should consider the nature and stability of the government of the nation in question in conjunction with the well being of the people before generalizing.

You might as well take your own advice on that.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but I am not the one generalizing.  I am ASKING whether your principles can be generalized or whether your advocacy is only to disarm Americans?  (as someone else put it because we are "most extremely insecure, racist, homophobic, stupid, arrogant, paranoid, schizophrenic, self-righteous sociopaths").

You have adequately answered this, it seems.  Your position is not a general principle as it is predicated on the nature and stability of the government in question.
3324  Economy / Economics / Re: will a Euro crash benefit us on: August 30, 2013, 06:32:54 PM
There is no "us"
yes, and crashes are generally not good for people.

It does not make me happy to benefit from the tragedy of others.

So no... not really a good thing.
3325  Economy / Economics / Re: Seven Stages Of Empire on: August 30, 2013, 06:27:41 PM

"Little round art that they would trade for stuff"
I was enigmatically referring to coins.  Wink

Gold has had more intrinsic value over the span of history than anything else used as money.

You are possibly conflating utility value (or use value) with intrinsic value (which includes the subjective value).

Definition of 'Intrinsic Value'
1. The actual value of a company or an asset based on an underlying perception of its true value including all aspects of the business, in terms of both tangible and intangible factors. This value may or may not be the same as the current market value. Value investors use a variety of analytical techniques in order to estimate the intrinsic value of securities in hopes of finding investments where the true value of the investment exceeds its current market value.



This is IBWP, the Intrinsic and Backing Word Police. Happy to serve you. Your definition is for the valuation of a company, not money. Intrinsic value for money is the direct use value. The other component of money value is indirect exchange value. Both are subjective, they originate in the mind of the market participants. Gold has some intrinsic value and some exchange value. Fiat and bitcoin have onlye exchange value. Have a good day

Hi Police.  I plead NOT GUILTY.

Value for an asset.  Currency falls withing that category.

Yes, fiat and bitcoin have only exchange value, though I am working on enhancing that by offering a new Bitcoin Specie in gold and silver using a flexible standard.  Having had more than a little experience of doing this with US$, we see the future as Bitcoin.  (And also Bitcoin folks know what to do with a QR code more than the average person does)

So also... very soon now, bitcoin will have precious metal backing as well as exchange value.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=269535.0
3326  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Assault weapon bans on: August 30, 2013, 06:10:56 PM
You seem to be confusing a number of things. In order to help you gain clarity, you should consider the nature and stability of the government in conjunction with the well being of the people before generalizing.

Can you be specific?  What nature, what government?  What do you imagine that I am not considering in the way you deem proper?
3327  Economy / Collectibles / Re: New Bitcoin COLD HARD CASH by the makers of New Liberty Dollar on: August 30, 2013, 06:06:23 PM
This is a point we are raising with all my international buyers as well, as these would stand to gain the most from international shipping and customs being shared.  Anyone who would be interested in being contacted by others local to them in order to aggregate purchasing for better prices should let us know that.

I would rather have people get these for less, whenever possible.  
It is an easy way to spread the Bitcoin economy at points of sale anywhere.  This is our fundamental goal with this project and so we are keeping our prices as close to costs as possible (and keeping the costs as low as possible while still maintaining highest quality).

SO...If you would like to aggregate purchasing for your region, and you let me know what quantity tier you are at, I can list that on the OP for those close to you to buy through you.

It is looking like formal release will be around 3rd week of September.
3328  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] MarieCurieCoin, all-in-one altcoin (MCC) on: August 30, 2013, 05:41:27 PM
We do not want MarieCurieCoin I rather have Einstein Coin

For some unsolicited design advice...

Naming things after real people has the problem of the real person (who ate, slept, and maybe even made some mistakes along the way) not being our idealised form of the person.  It is a nice tribute to a worthy individual, but it is a very limiting aspect as well.  It is a tribute.
Like putting Ceasar on the face of a coin, some folks want the coin but don't much care for Ceasar.  It would be the same with any person.  Also with an experiment such as this, we can never be sure that it even lives up to being a worthy tribute.  Making it a tribute does help to keep that focus though...

That is why we have Liberty on our New Liberty Dollars.  It is an ideal, not a persona, so the appeal is more broad.  No one can say that Liberty was bad because she was unfaithful to her husband or something weird. 

Perhaps to get the aspects you honor, you could call it something else (inventcoin, curiousitycoin, bravecoin) and put Curie on the logo?

For all that, I love Marie Curie as well, and hope for your success.

3329  Economy / Collectibles / Re: New Bitcoin COLD HARD CASH by the makers of New Liberty Dollar on: August 30, 2013, 05:09:12 PM
The recent price move of Bitcoin is something I anticipated in the GOLD version of these which is a 1 ozt Gold with a nominal value of 10 Bitcoin. 

Of course the current value real time value will be via QR code, but the 10 bitcoin is looking to be closer than not.
3330  Other / Off-topic / Re: Lavabit.com and Tormail Email Alternatives... on: August 30, 2013, 04:46:40 PM
I'd guess some cloud service is being utilized to spawn a bunch of clients for some legitimate privacy concern purpose.
Sure, it could be a bot-net, but that would be... wrong.
3331  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Assault weapon bans on: August 30, 2013, 04:30:04 PM

Do you recommend that Syria do a better job of gun control?  Making sure that no one there (except the government, military, police) has anything that could be considered a weapon?

If you're asking a question about what Syria should do, then it's clear. Syria should start thinking about the welfare of its population.

No, I don't really pretend that I know anything at all about Syria or what they (by this I think you are meaning the government) should do.  I've never been there, though I may have friends that have.  Since it was brought up though it raises the questions above out of curiosity and whether your outlook is generalizable, or if it is constrained to the rights of a particular population, USAians.

All I can see about Syria is what reaches us through the filters of mediated information.  Internet, News, and the like.  So I don't really have any knowledge on the matter.

But there do seem to be some here who know all about what other folks should be doing, and have a penchant for advocating enforcing control regimes on them in order to make them conform with their world view of "the way things ought to be".  I am curious as to how that applies in the case of the Syrian people's relationship to their government.

One of our most famous American Syrians, Steve Jobs, was said at times to be pretty authoritarian, so maybe they are more amenable to your authoritarian outlook than the typical American?  Perhaps you would enjoy engaging them in a dialog about how they should not have any weapons unless they have a badge or a uniform and are paid by their authorities to point their weapons at whom their authorities choose?

Anyhow, I looked it up just now.  It looks like you would do pretty well there.  They seem to be moving toward the UN goal of disarming their people.
http://www.poa-iss.org/CountryProfiles/CountryProfileInfo.aspx?CoI=188&pos=1000

3332  Economy / Economics / Re: Seven Stages Of Empire on: August 30, 2013, 03:51:42 PM
I watched this recently too. However, I think the gold-bugs are going to get a shock when the current fiat systems melt down. It will be cryptocurrency which replaces fiat, and gold will slowly become a commodity metal like platinum and silver are mostly already.


As everyone keeps saying: gold + precious metals have intrinsic value, which turns out to mean that they are more valuable for their physical properties than they are for their value storage properties.

It is a combination of these.  Gold is fairly permanent.  You can step on it, subject it to magnetic fields, get hacked, its still gold.  It is pretty resilient as a store of value over the last few thousands of years.
But maybe everything is different this time.

The difference being that gold had zero intrinsic value historically, or at least pure 24ct did (too soft for tools, electricity and chemistry hadn't been discovered, etc).

Some folks valued it for its particular qualities which lend to its use in art.  Little round art, that they would trade for stuff.  Usually royalty of some sort or other.
Egyptian kings would be buried with it and it was just as it was when it went underground. Check out the King Tutankamen exhibit when it is near, and he was just a kid.  The silver oxidized a good bit after a few thousand years, but not the gold.

All true, and all interesting. But you're describing a subjective valuation, of course, not what we're referring to as intrinsic. Art and jewelery have only ever been vital to artists and jewelers.

"Little round art that they would trade for stuff"
I was enigmatically referring to coins.  Wink

Gold has had more intrinsic value over the span of history than anything else used as money.

You are possibly conflating utility value (or use value) with intrinsic value (which includes the subjective value).

Definition of 'Intrinsic Value'
1. The actual value of a company or an asset based on an underlying perception of its true value including all aspects of the business, in terms of both tangible and intangible factors. This value may or may not be the same as the current market value. Value investors use a variety of analytical techniques in order to estimate the intrinsic value of securities in hopes of finding investments where the true value of the investment exceeds its current market value.

3333  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: Bitcoin EU Convention 2013 (Amsterdam, Netherlands September 26th~28th) on: August 30, 2013, 03:40:56 PM
Will you provide streaming?

I'm really interested going to the conference, but maybe I couldn't go.

Streaming is a bit complicated.

Ideally, we have high def screening made available in real-time at no cost to viewer or to us.

There are technically skilled Dutch people in the Bitcoin community who have expressed their interest in helping to record and stream. Nothing confirmed yet, but we're optimistic.

As a backup, I've asked the technicians at the venue if they can provide streaming, and they will get back to us with costs that we can hopefully find a sponsor for.

To the entrepreneurial people reading this. There's a free ticket and payment available if you can make streaming happen smoothly.

Let me know if you have a different solution?

Ps. You can't meet people and shake hand via the internet. Come in person and say hi yourself!

Video Recording is more important than streaming unless there is a (mediated) feedback from the remote audience, IMHO.
3334  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Assault weapon bans on: August 30, 2013, 03:37:10 PM
soldiers are using YOUR tax money to slaughter people all over the world, thus you could be held responsible for that. You are financing them. Some of those soldiers are probably your very neighbors.

Bullshit. I was robbed, and then the money that the robbers stole from me was used to kill others. Against my wises I might add.


I hear you. My point is that being the US a place where there are so many individuals self-conscious of their rights and armed with guns precisely to protect themselves from the abuse of Government thugs, you would expect a reaction if the government just milks his citizens, outright stealing from them to commit mass murder. That's a pretty big attack to your freedom, isn't it?

Still, population having guns doesn't stop the US government, they keep stripping you naked of your rights, milking you, and using your money (which they are outright stealing, right?) to commit horrendous murders.

Look at Obama now, he is saying "Syria is not similar at all to Iraq, we will just bomb them to protect civilians"... Its clear that the best way to avoid civilians to be murdered with Syrian chemical weapons is to murder some civilians with American drones and tomahawks. I know many of you agree this is ludicrous, and that most of you are informed and know that those weapons came from Saudi Arabia and thus this was probably a "rebel" action... But still, you say guns protect you from your Government, but I see no reaction to this awful situation. What would you say about that?

Do you recommend that Syria do a better job of gun control?  Making sure that no one there (except the government, military, police) has anything that could be considered a weapon?
3335  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: FinCEN responds to clarification requests on: August 30, 2013, 03:34:09 PM
She said that there is a 3 year lookback window from the IRS.
Looks like there is a market for keypairs to 3 year old bitcoins Smiley
Are you accusing the IRS of creating a market? Smiley
3336  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Coinbase cancel "high risk" buy - now seeking agent in Los Angeles on: August 30, 2013, 05:08:17 AM
Coinbase support is on the case, it may be resolved perfectly after all.
3337  Economy / Economics / Re: Seven Stages Of Empire on: August 30, 2013, 03:35:23 AM
I watched this recently too. However, I think the gold-bugs are going to get a shock when the current fiat systems melt down. It will be cryptocurrency which replaces fiat, and gold will slowly become a commodity metal like platinum and silver are mostly already.


As everyone keeps saying: gold + precious metals have intrinsic value, which turns out to mean that they are more valuable for their physical properties than they are for their value storage properties.

It is a combination of these.  Gold is fairly permanent.  You can step on it, subject it to magnetic fields, get hacked, its still gold.  It is pretty resilient as a store of value over the last few thousands of years.
But maybe everything is different this time.

The difference being that gold had zero intrinsic value historically, or at least pure 24ct did (too soft for tools, electricity and chemistry hadn't been discovered, etc).

Some folks valued it for its particular qualities which lend to its use in art.  Little round art, that they would trade for stuff.  Usually royalty of some sort or other.
Egyptian kings would be buried with it and it was just as it was when it went underground. Check out the King Tutankamen exhibit when it is near, and he was just a kid.  The silver oxidized a good bit after a few thousand years, but not the gold.
3338  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: August 30, 2013, 02:17:40 AM
I see around 8k 24hr volume on gox...  

and Thursday is an action day....

Expect sub-5k volume each weekend day...

Srsly, how is the value of 11 mil coins decided by this ridiculous level of volume? Not good. Undecided

Bitcoin is dead...


Or it is being used in trade, you know, commerce...
Would be good to pull a running metric of how many transactions vs how many on gox
3339  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Assault weapon bans Thought Exercise on: August 30, 2013, 02:09:45 AM
If scientists did a study and wrote it down for their peers to review that said you should stop using cryptography, including bitcoin, because criminals and terrorists that use cryptography often use Bitcoin, would you try to pass a law forcing yourself and your compatriots to do that?
Would you advocate to those of whom you have a low opinion, that they should not be allowed to use it, and that they should ask their governments to stop them?
3340  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Large bitcoin mining farm mining 4 blocks a day having made 1600BTC on: August 29, 2013, 10:38:15 PM
It is sad that in August 2013 there still are people who believe that IP addresses on blockchain.info have anything to do with the miner who mined the block.

You don't need Tor, VPNs, or whatever to prevent blockchain.info from publicizing your IP. You simply don't let your node connect to them. The Bitcoin network will do the anonymization for you, at least when it comes to blockchain.info.


And as you might imagine, this miner wishes to remain anonymous.  Chasing after geese is fine if it amuses you, but making accusations of lies against the innocent geese you find along the way while doing so is not part of the game.  Play nice.
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