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3441  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 NBA Season on: February 12, 2022, 06:53:29 AM
After the big trade, I wonder how James Harden is going to perform as of his first game with 76ers. Maybe we can see him in the starting five tonight against Thunder. Currently, Thunder are one of the miserable teams and I don't expect them to compete with 76ers much. If Harden gets accustomed to his new team quickly, I will be eyeing 76ers in the playoffs too. Maybe they don't seem to be a big candidate for the title but they can still achieve a good success this season.

Well, Harden himself asked for the trade so I have no doubt that James Harden will have a hard time adjusting with 76ers, I mean, Harden is smart and for sure he knows what he's doing and a yes Embiid was already there but I also do think that Harden will be a good additional asset to the team.
Harden didn't play today against the OKC and he ain't either expected to show tomorrow against the Cavaliers, I think there's some formalities that he need to attend first and practice with the 76ers before playing the actual live games. Just my thought though Smiley

Yes mate, Harden himself asked the management directly to trade him to 76ers, I guess he already lost his interest in the Nets and to benefit himself he had to force the management to get out because we all knew that Harden is a starplayer but this dude never had championship ring.

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Finally, with the trade deadline fast approaching, Harden directly told Marks and Tsai that he would prefer to play for the Sixers, asking the GM and team owner on a FaceTime call to send him to Philadelphia, sources tell ESPN.

The Nets told him they would only make a deal if it was a good one for the organization, which Harden understood. While the two sides agreed at that point that Harden wouldn’t play until after Thursday’s deadline, the former MVP appeared to have already checked out on the team, according to Wojnarowski and Shelburne, who say Harden informed management he was headed to Houston on Wednesday to wait out the deadline.
Source: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/02/harden-directly-asked-nets-marks-tsai-for-trade-to-sixers.html

Harden didn't play today against the OKC and he ain't either expected to show tomorrow against the Cavaliers, I think there's some formalities that he need to attend first and practice with the 76ers before playing the actual live games. Just my thought though Smiley

He didn't play because both parties have agreed that Harden won't play for the time being until the trade deadline. So yes, he's expected not to play against the OKC as he had to travel from Houston where he rested until the deadline subside to Philadelphia. Hopefully he could play tomorrow and make his debut against against Cleveland Cavs.
3442  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: NBA 2020-2021 betting on: February 10, 2022, 04:46:53 PM
^^ Yes, I watch the first few minutes and they were perfect, and I think the score of Jazz is just 2 points and they have like 13 or more points.

But they went on a shooting slump, 2nd to 4th quarter, it was not good to watch the Warriors losing this kind of ugly game as they have been so hot. This could have been their 10 win in a row, Curry only 16 points.

But the Jazz are the favorite to win this game, as the line opens with a -2.5 line. So I guess there should never be surprises here. Maybe on how they dominated the game, but as far as who has the chance to win, the Jazz is favored. So another winning streak has come to an end, and Jazz building it's own 4 game streak.

Yep, the Warriors have been defeated with a stunning 26 points difference from the mighty Jazz. As I saw the game, the Warriors are very vulnerable in terms of their defense, that's why the Jazz have dominated them that easily plus their available players was only good to use in offense like Curry and Wiggins.

Anyways, there's a lot of interesting games again tomorrow. I'll be picking the Heat -4.5 against the NOP and the Bucks +3 against the Suns. GL!
3443  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [BOXING] Logan Paul vs Mike Tyson on: February 10, 2022, 02:52:58 PM
-snip-

I think Logan Paul is not on the table now, the last rumor was that Mike Tyson will fight Logan's younger brother, Jake Paul. Who is slowly making his name now in the industry with 5 wins and 4 of that was by a knockout. But as of now, Mike's side has already talked that there would be no fight as Mike will not step in the boxing ring anymore for good. Anyway, either if it's true or not, there's still no concrete announcement or evidence that either of this fight will happen.

I think Mike Tyson is fighting just for fun and probably doing it for charity so fighting Logan Paul is not an option since Jake Paul is up only for money but if Mike Tyson is fighting his younger brother I don't think it will happen too since it will be a professional boxing, I think Mike Tyson is looking for match between retired legendary boxer like him. Probably Evander Holyfield versus Mike Tyson is a good match up?

Mike will only fight for fun and to raise money for charity, and I agree with this, but I don't understand why people find it amusing to watch a celebrity fight on television. As for myself, I don't care for it. I haven't seen any Logan Paul fights, but I've heard about them on social media. Is it true that these fights are not fixed? It serves no purpose other than to show off and collect money, which I find perplexing to begin with. However, if this fight does take place, it will be my first experience watching this type of show-off event.

Right! As for me, I also don't care about these exhibition matches because this aren't a professional fight and won't be written in their record. Regarding to the fixed fight, an exhibition won't be fixed at all because there will be no judges to score the fight and there would be no declared winner at the end of the match. But for the bookies, the rules are different. Also, the thing about this fight that gets me excited is just the mere fact that I can get to see the legendary boxer Mike Tyson fight in the ring again.
3444  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [BOXING] Logan Paul vs Mike Tyson on: February 10, 2022, 12:29:09 PM
I'm not sure if this match will still continue I don't think Tyson would still consider this match, it's really ridiculous match since Tyson won't fight amateur boxer like Logan Paul yes he is amateur compared to Tyson, Logan Paul professional match is just 1 match and all other matches were fighting non boxer professionals or for money like Mayweather but fighting Tyson will only crash him.

I think Logan Paul is not on the table now, the last rumor was that Mike Tyson will fight Logan's younger brother, Jake Paul. Who is slowly making his name now in the industry with 5 wins and 4 of that was by a knockout. But as of now, Mike's side has already talked that there would be no fight as Mike will not step in the boxing ring anymore for good. Anyway, either if it's true or not, there's still no concrete announcement or evidence that either of this fight will happen.
3445  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 NBA Season on: February 10, 2022, 07:29:14 AM
James Harden is really an unlucky player. He is giving his best in most of their games at whatever team he plays. But he still hasn't become the champion with any team so far. All of his efforts have just been in vain.
He probably lacks something in team leadership. I think he becomes too selfish sometimes and just play because he's getting paid for it.

I strongly disagree with that mate, leadership isn't the issue here but he's just very unlucky to have a reliant team mates no matter what team he goes into. Harden always gave his very best to the team and to contribute every game, especially in terms of adjusting since he came to the Brooklyn Nets. This season he's averaged 22.9 PPG.
3446  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: NBA 2020-2021 betting on: February 09, 2022, 05:31:39 PM
My early pick for tomorrow is the Warriors against the Utah Jazz, +2.5. Again they are the underdog in this game, similar to what the odds for the Suns vs Sixers. And yet the Suns won the game because they are the best in the West.

So perhaps there is an argument for the Warriors here, they are in the winning streak and chances are high that it will continue to 10.

Same here @Jating, I will also pick the Warriors +2 (slightly changed) Tomorrow will be an interesting game for sure because Green, Iguodala, and Thompson can't play for having an injuries but as we all know, the hot Warriors is still a tough team to beat as their bench players is also a threat to any team they face. Also, Curry will be there tomorrow to lead the team.

Both teams are on a winning streak but I think the Warriors will be the one to break the Jazz's streak so that they can continue their streak as well.
3447  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 NBA Season on: February 09, 2022, 03:58:39 PM
Nets are really nothing when some of their stars don't play. We witnessed this last night as Nets lost to Celtics by 126-91 home. This was a really embarrasing loss by a huge point difference. Celtics have left Nets behind after this result in the standings. Nets need their stars so bad now to start climbing again. Their condition is really risky and I wouldn't like to see them staying out of the playoffs this season. This would be a big disappointment for a team like this.

they have a big problem, they are in a losing streak and, to be honest, I don't know if they can break it anytime soon as without Durant and some of the superstars playing not 100%, that wouldn't help them to win. In this game, no big 3, so their chance is very low. They can't keep this up forever, they need to qualify to the playoffs.

Right, it was indeed a disappointment that they've lost against Celtics. Though their loss was expected because none of their big 3 was present during the said game but a 35 points difference? That is huge! Steve should pressure his players more because Harden can't play yet especially Durant and Irving is on/off. They really need to break their lose streak and I'm still hopeful that they can play in the playoffs.
3448  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [BOXING]: RYAN GARCIA vs EMMANUEL TAGOE - April 9 on: February 07, 2022, 09:51:42 PM
Emmanuel Tagoe has a decent record with 32 wins and 1 loss in his boxing career. However, most of his fights are in his country, so I consider him as an unpopular fighter, and going against Ryan Garcia, this should be the biggest fight of his life as a boxer. He started his professional career in 2004, lost his first fight, and has not tasted a defeat since then.

you can check the record of Tagoe ; https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/289944
3449  Local / Pilipinas / Re: Panahon Na Nga Ba Maging "Cashless Society" ang Pilipinas? on: February 07, 2022, 09:24:58 PM
Panahon na nga ba maging cashless society ang pilipinas? Sa aking palagay ay hindi pa napapanahon. Oo kahit papaano ay established na ang crypto currency sa ating bansa ,laganap na din ang e-payment kung tutuosin , subalit halos majority ng pamayanan natin ang hindi pa fully aware na meron na tayong gantong klaseng pamamaraan ng pagbabayad. Lalot lubos na mahihirapan dto ang mga small scale busines sa ating bansa . Pero sa kabilang banda hindi rin malabong mangyare ito .dahil sa iilang bansa napatunayan nila na maari itong manyare lalot ng pumutok at lumaganap ang covid 19 .

Tama ka dyan kabayan, Marami sa mga kabayan natin dito sa pinas ang hindi pamilyar sa cryptocurrencies at sa mga e-payments, lalo na ang mga katutubo natin sa mga kabundukan at karatig probinsya. At panigurado hindi papayag basta2 ang gobyerno dito dahil marami dapat isaalang alang at malaki din ang magiging epekto nito sa ekonomiya ng pilipinas. At kahit ang mga nakatira sa siyudad ay hindi lahat may kaalaman dito dahil mas madali parin gamitin ang nakasanayan na fiat o perang papel para ipangbayad. Ngunit kung ang lahat ng tao sa pinas ay magiging pabor dito at magkakaroon ng sapat na kaalaman, malaki din ang oportunidad na mabibigay nito sa atin. Dahil mamumulat ang mga tao kung paano gumamit ng gadgets at mas mapapalawak pa lalo ang ating mga kaalaman patungkol sa mga bagay na ginagamitan ng internet.

GCASH siguro na nangungunang digical cash sa bansa natin, at good news dahil balak nilang pasukin ang crypto at dahil diyan malaki ang maitutulong nila sa pagexpand ng adoption ng mga tao about sa crypto. Siguro madali na rin sa kanilang maniwala na hindi scam ang crypto dahil naisama na ito sa GCASH, at actually hindi lang GCASH, ang PAYMAYA ay interested din sa crypto, so sana this year meron tayong marinig na good news ulit.
3450  Local / Pamilihan / Re: Crypto online sabong? on: February 07, 2022, 08:59:39 PM
Maiba ako, ngayon ko lang narealize na easy top up na pala ang online sabong sa Gcash. No need na ng ahente kasi instant topup. Kung ganon na pala kadali, from coins.ph crypto easy access na sa online sabong.

Parang crypto online na rin ang datingan kasi instant convert.

Pinadali at pinalapit ng Gcash ang mga sugarol sa pagiging addicted lol.

Pwede pala yan, bago lang ba yan sir?

Ako kasi nag try ako ng online sabong, meron pang ahente, may GCASH rin naman ako at doon ko lang i se send yung pero sa GCASH wallet ng agent ko. Maganda yang ganyan, parang sports betting na rin, easy to deposit and withdraw kasi wala ng 3rd party.

Kung ganyan, wala ng say ang crypto sabong niyan, I mean siguro di kayang talunin ang GCASH.

No need na agent kabayan. Explore mo lang GCASH app mo nandoon lang iyon. Pitmasters Live.

Medyo matagal na raw. Kaya nga wala ng agent ngayon e kasi rekta na sa GCASH mismo.

Mas marami ng matatalo at easy access na ang online sabong haha.


Salamat kabayan, mas legit ito kasi galing sa app mismo ng GCASH. I just took a glance, wala akong nakita na app.. hehe.. baka explore ko ulit mamaya, pero legit pala talaga ito, nabasa ko rin ang article about dito.

Easy Access With Pitmaster Live Gcash App (SABONGONLINEGAME)

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Gcash has been around for quite some tome and as of the recent pandemic, Pitmaster live Gcash apps are now a reality. Amazingly, Gcash has been a significant to most Filipinos since its highly accessible and easy to use as well.
The aspect of using Pitmaster Live Gcash app is that, we can do every transactions right on your mobile device. That is actually pretty amazing to say the least. Its a good thing that we can access this gcash app right now!
3451  Local / Pamilihan / Re: 3-Way Scam? on: February 07, 2022, 08:33:53 PM


Si seller (person A), maari naman siyang mag paliwanag, meron namang proof of conversation sa nature ng transaction, kaya tingin ko malabo ang ganyan.
Mukhang madali nga lang patunayan ni seller na may legit transaction nga siya. Ang problema niyan ay kung mapatunayan na si buyer at yung nagpadala ng pera sa gcash account ni seller ay iisang tao lang. Magkaibang pangalan kasi eh.

Ganon lang pala yun? Parang ang dali lang naman kung ganon, pero kung aayusis ng seller yan with proof, madali lang ring in unblock kasi di na rin need ng court order o ano pa. hassle lang sa part niya kasi kahit hindi siya guilty, kailangan lang magpaliwanag para ma unblock ang account, no choice na rin kasi. Yung nag file ng police report kung mapapatunayan na involve sa scam, madali lang din mahuli kasi yung full information niya nasa police na rin.
3452  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: NBA 2020-2021 betting on: February 07, 2022, 08:14:57 PM
For now, I would not touch any game of the Nets, they are struggling but at the same time I also don't want to bet against them.

Good decision,  just watch them struggle, besides, we can still gamble since we have a lot of games on a daily basis.

Early leans, I have the following bets.

Warriors -12
Jazz -7.5
Heat -5.5

I like the bulls but I'm doubtful against the Phoenix Suns

I like the Warriors chances against the OKC with -12.5. Although it seems to be a big spread, but the Warriors is hot right now.

As for the Bulls, they've lost against the Sixers and they are on a back to back games. And they are going to face the Suns who is on top of the WC.


Warriors are known to be a high-scoring team when they really heat up, -12.5 is not that much if they've got a solid performance

especially from the splash bro, once this two start to convert, everyone around them will also have the same intensity. That's the very beauty

watching GSW play. The whole cast is performing just rotate the ball and there's always an open man that will convert for the score..

With the Bulls, I see your point and it's valid, facing Suns who are also very dominant. It's a big risk even taking the handicap..

Warriors are 29-21 ATS on the road, so they have a good chance of covering the spread especially against a low-tier team which are ranked number 14 and only has 17 wins in 35 games. This is still a big gamble though due to the high spread, but when you are taking it, you have to consider the stats and the Warriors have a good stats on ATS.
3453  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing]: Casimero vs Butler ordered by WBO on: February 07, 2022, 01:15:20 PM
The fight is still a month later but this thread have been up last year.  Cheesy
well, the mandatory fight was supposed to happen last year. but then, there was a complication with Casimero's health resulting in him not being able to show up at the weigh-in which also resulted in the fight being postponed. so the thread being created last year is understandable.

Right, and so this is still relevant up to this day or until the fight really happen.

And most boxing speculators had some qualms when Casimero didn't show in the weigh-in and we thought that it was due to him moving from MP to Probellum promotions. So it didn't sit well with us boxing fans. And then WBO threaten Casimero that he will be strip of the belt for not showing.

But later we found out that he indeed has some infection in his stomach causing the match to be postpone but not cancelled.

That's just normal to speculate because the fans are disappointed with what happened, they were expecting to see some action on that date but it didn't happen because Casimero is sick, but this 2nd opportunity will certainly happen, no more unexpected things would happen and we will finally see the fight that we are all waiting for to see.

To be honest, i'm a little bit worried about this fight. Not with the promoter or Butler but with Casimero. There is no such thing as an easy fight in boxing but Butler poses a little threat to Casimero's belt IMO so i could say that all Casimero should do is to show up in the weigh-in, make that weight and go home a champion again. No disrespect to Butler but Casimero's real opponent here is himself.

Quadro Alas should work with an expert so he can make the weight come fight night and i hope that he will be reunited with Mo Heredia so things that happen in Dubai won't happen again.

I have to side with you on this. Casimero having the issue will affect everything. Paul Butler might take that as an advantage too. He is more well-prepared compared to Casimero that I think still resting at this point and not doing any hard training and workout.

We don't have any update about the Casimero today but we need to trust him. Although in reality, trust is not enough. A healthy and strong is needed as having just confidence can't be applied here.

Butler will surely do everything to make Casimero struggles now that he knows that the latter is having a health-related problem.

IMO, it doesn't need a lot of time to prepare for a fight, I think if Casimero will start training this month, he can still be in the best condition on the day of the fight, so I still trust him to beat his mandatory challenger even if the fight is on his challenger's home. Casimero has proven many times that he can beat anyone at any place of fight, and Butler is no exception here.
3454  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2020 Philippine Basketball Association betting discussion on: February 07, 2022, 12:15:41 PM
Still, I'm waiting for the Blackwater's first victory. Can they can get it this season? Will the streak continues until next season? Will the Bossing have any adjustments with regards to their roster? These are some of the questions that I'm still waiting to get answered. I will be happy if they will get even only 1 win this season but on the other hand, it would be better if they will continue their streak (sarcasm) Cheesy.

Will Rey Suerte be the lucky charm for the Blackwater Bossings?

I think they can get one win this season with their import and the new acquisitions, Suerte and Escoto as some of the low tier teams were also struggling like the Dyip and ROS.

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Rey Suerte signs two-year deal as Blackwater gives Escoto extension

I don't know him because I don't follow games other than PBA, but the name itself means "lucky", lol, so maybe he will be the lucky charm of the team. Blackwater has continued to struggle, they are probably in their longest losing streak and I think they already made a history on their current losing status.
3455  Local / Pamilihan / Re: 3-Way Scam? on: February 07, 2022, 09:20:29 AM
Ganyan lang pala kadali mag suspend ang GCASH?

Kung ang file ng police report lang, tingin hindi yan sapat na basihan para i suspend ang account, kailangan muna sigurong ma proved na yung nakatanggap ng GCASH ay guilty sa crime, napaka technical nito at hindi ako naniniwala na ganyan lang kadali.

Si seller (person A), maari naman siyang mag paliwanag, meron namang proof of conversation sa nature ng transaction, kaya tingin ko malabo ang ganyan.
3456  Local / Pamilihan / Re: NBA discussion, betting and etc. on: February 07, 2022, 09:05:13 AM
Mavs -1.5@1.96 vs Hawks, nagagandahan lang ako sa laro ng Mavs lately kaya dito ako muna sa kanila, tingin ko dikitan ang laban na ito.

Kaya yan ma-cover kabayan. Mabangis Mavericks these days lalo na nung tinalo nila iyong Sixers na Favorite that time. Against Hawks, sigurado pukpukan ang laban dito. Baka nga mag-overtime pa. And besides maganda rin iyong odds sa handicap nila. Worth to bet ika nga.

Goodluck sa mga may taya. No budget pass muna ako.

Laki ng nilamang ng Mavs di man ganun kalaki production ni Luka pagdating sa score pero double double pa rin para sa point guard
position, ganda din ng rotations nila hindi masyadong pressure si Luka kahit na nag foul trouble ung outside shots ng mga kakampi nya talagang gumana, ang simple lang ng basketball sa Mavs, hanap lang ng bukas na kakampi at tiwala ayos na 9 points nilamang pasok yung  taya ni kabayang bisdak congrats... Wink Cool

Panalo na naman pala si @bisdak40 , congrats kabayan.

Anong reason kung balik naging underdog ang Mavericks sa homecourt nila? Parang underestimated ang mavericks ah, ang galing ng team na ito saka playoffs team pa rin sila. Medyo foul trouble si Luka kaya yung scoring production limited lang, pero maganda bumawi sa ibang department, sa assists and rebounding kaya another good performance na naman.
3457  Economy / Economics / Re: i was right people have no more money on: February 06, 2022, 04:17:48 PM
Money is just circulating, while some people struggle with earning money, some are making decent money. So it's not really a problem, the market will still grow and it will continue to exist with a decent amount of money coming in and out.

We are not in a business with the purpose of making it profitable, in the crypto space, it's about people who love to play a risky game, and that is what we called trading where some will succeed, while the others will fail.

This high inflation will have a positive effect on crypto, especially in the long run as people will use crypto to hedge their money from this problem.
3458  Local / Pamilihan / Re: Crypto online sabong? on: February 06, 2022, 03:44:20 PM
Maiba ako, ngayon ko lang narealize na easy top up na pala ang online sabong sa Gcash. No need na ng ahente kasi instant topup. Kung ganon na pala kadali, from coins.ph crypto easy access na sa online sabong.

Parang crypto online na rin ang datingan kasi instant convert.

Pinadali at pinalapit ng Gcash ang mga sugarol sa pagiging addicted lol.

Pwede pala yan, bago lang ba yan sir?

Ako kasi nag try ako ng online sabong, meron pang ahente, may GCASH rin naman ako at doon ko lang i se send yung pero sa GCASH wallet ng agent ko. Maganda yang ganyan, parang sports betting na rin, easy to deposit and withdraw kasi wala ng 3rd party.

Kung ganyan, wala ng say ang crypto sabong niyan, I mean siguro di kayang talunin ang GCASH.

Depende yan sa Online Sabong provider. May mga license kasi sila na kinukuha at binabayaran para makapag broadcast at mag offer ng bet kaya sila nagiimplement ng agent para mas control ang kita na galing sa mga player. Sana nilagay din ni @agustina2 kung anong online Sabong site ang tumatanggap ng gcash para may reference dun sa post nya about sa new feature. Kapag nagkataon madaming mawawalan ng kita na agent dahil mas gugustuhin ng mga player na direkta ang deposit at withdraw.

Yun nga, actually madali lang naman ang ganyan, siguro yung mga online sabong sites na need ng agent ay baka hindi sila registered. Tama ba analysis ko? maganda naman kasi kung direct nalang to sabong site tapos ikaw na bahala kung anong gagawin mo sa pera mo, kung may agent kasi, alam pa niya ang takbo ng pera mo which is hindi maganda kasi wala kang privacy.
3459  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 NBA Season on: February 06, 2022, 02:43:30 PM
Lakers won, but again, it's another hard win in OT.

James won't go down and lose this one, scoring 29 points and then good contribution from Monk again with 29 as well and Davis with 28.

Seems that James and Monk has good chemistry. And when AD is healthy, Lakers is a different team. Sure this is James and AD's team.

The game was intense but this time they won and that's all that matters except for the low percentage field goals by Westbrook which the fans don't really like that much and continue to make fun of him until the end of the game. too bad because all eyes are on him right now and he really needs to improve his shots and play decision because a few mistakes will turn into a non-stoppable disappointment after the game.

If Westbrook was only doing well with the Lakers, they will be an unstoppable team, but with his stats, I think the Lakers would really struggle against a stronger team. The playoffs is the most important situation, however, if Westbrook would still do the same thing, he will be messing up and that would be the cause of their failure.

The LA Lakers should be unstoppable if they would really work hard for it, remember that this roster was made up of Allstar players but it's funny how they're getting bullied especially against a weaker team in the league like the NY Knicks. They should be the best but frankly I ain't seeing that it's very effective for the team.
As for WB, I don't know what's wrong with him but since he came to the Lakers, he's been inconsistent and hardly achieve any turnovers or any of his average triple double. Is it maybe he's not used on not being the Alpha in the team? Or his prime was over?
3460  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing]: Casimero vs Butler ordered by WBO on: February 06, 2022, 10:58:05 AM
The fight will definitely happen, it will not be canceled due to Casimero's problem again as that would be crucial to his career, imagine getting stripped with a belt of not even fighter over it, so expect that we will witness a great fight on the date of the fight which I guess was already announced.

Of course it will! Casimero wouldn't want to miss this chance for the 2nd time because if indeed he will miss this again then I think that his career is already over. So, I bet there wouldn't be any hindrances again this time for sure and the fight will definitely happen in the exact scheduled date.

Yeah mate, I'm really looking forward to see what Butler and Casimero can give, I will really expect a great close match!
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