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34481  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: October 20, 2015, 11:35:59 PM
We just hate stupid people.  Roll Eyes

But first we feel sorry for stupid people.    Roll Eyes

BADecker for President!



Atheism is just a dead end.

In the 2005 movie, Sahara, the bad guy was inadvertently dumping loads of toxic waste into the ground around the Niger River in Mali, Africa. The toxic waste was getting into the Niger, and was threatening to make it down to the Atlantic Ocean, where it would destroy ocean life, and, ultimately the Atlantic Ocean.

Dirk Pitt, and his buddy Al Giordino, had just made it into the main office of the plant to shut it down. But, there was nobody there, 'cause the bad guy was going to blow the plant, and everyone had fled so they wouldn't get killed in the explosion.

The script went like this:

Dirk Pitt: Hey, Al?
Al Giordino: Yeah.
Dirk Pitt: What would you do if you were about to be exposed as the worst polluter of modern times?
Al Giordino: I don't know. Run for president?



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34482  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: October 20, 2015, 09:54:13 PM
Like I said, when we see the exhortations of Jesus as invitations to join him on a higher spiritual plane, his words suddenly make sense.

1) he never ONCE suggested that he was your "SAVIOR".
2) WHEN ASKED IF HE WAS GOD HE SAID, “THEY say as much."
3) The New Commandment he gave was "follow my example", "love others as I have loved you"; he gave no Commandment to believe in a savior.

He speaks to the individual who wants to find God as a personal experience, to attain what some might call grace, or God-consciousness, or enlightenment. This point is made especially clear in Chopra's book "The Third Jesus".

Jesus wanted his followers to evolve, to reach awareness of the Kingdom of God within.

The cosmic Christ is the spiritual guide whose teaching embraces all humanity, not just the church built in his name. Christianity needs to overcome its tendency to be exclusionary and refocus on being a religion of personal insight and spiritual growth. In this way Jesus can be seen for the universal teacher he truly is--someone whose teachings of compassion, tolerance, and understanding can embrace and be embraced by all of us.

In a simplistic way, Jesus wanted His followers to "evolve" to a true understanding of God and salvation.

Since you ignore what the Bible says at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg12690846#msg12690846 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg12741055#msg12741055, you have no credibility in suggesting that Jesus doesn't offer salvation, yes, even to you.

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34483  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: October 20, 2015, 09:33:12 PM
Who cares what Christianity is based in? You better learn how to fear God, or you will be destroyed. Once you learn the Fear, then you will find the salvation and the love that replaces the fear.

Now we learn from BADecker that FEAR is the source of salvation.

If you as an unbeliever in salvation, don't have fear regarding your impending doom and eternal destruction, why would you begin to think that you might need salvation? Not all the time, but most of the time, fear comes first.

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34484  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Water on Mars? Bleh. Astronomers may have found giant alien 'megastructures' on: October 20, 2015, 09:31:13 PM
Why they never contacted us?
There has already been contact; I posted about it here in this thread. The CONTACT newspaper and Phoenix Journals are the record of that contact.

4. They see us like ants not worthy of contacting.
Since the record of the contact already exists, it is up to you to decide to read it; only you can choose if you think it is worth your time to "reach out and touch someone"--LIKE GOD.

#4, its very possible they are merely observing us for now, judging weather we are worth contacting, or may be a future threat to their civilization.

The planet has already received the contact and guidance that was sought, just as promised.

Please, read these messages and discern the validity of the information for yourself.

The biggest problem with your idea of contact is, nobody can verify for a fact that any particular place is where the contact originated. Somebody might say that there is contact, somebody might say he/she received contact by automatic writing, somebody might say he she received contact while in a trance, but there isn't any verification.

Believe it if you want, but there isn't any independent verification of it. None of the scientific methods in existence can verify it. Chance are you or any of your cronies wouldn't get on the stand in a court of law and verify it under oath or affirmation.

In other words, even if it is true, nobody knows for sure.

As far as timing about the contact, it was coincidental. Give a monkey a typewriter, he's going to type a word sometime.

Smiley


... Have some faith. Believe!
 Smiley Wink



I am like that at times, as well. Sometimes people can't tell when I am being sarcastic and when I am not.

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34485  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: October 20, 2015, 09:29:06 PM
When you place the above Bible passages in context with everything else written in the New Testament, you will find that Jesus was a man, sent from His Father (therefore also God), lived a completely righteous life, died an innocent death on a cross, arose to life on the third day after his death, and ascended into Heaven 40 days later.

Not true; when you read those while using reason, you will see that it is not his BEING which has any merit, and that he never ONCE suggested that he was your "SAVIOR". This will become even MORE apparent when you read those books which the "authorities" would rather you DID NOT read, like the Gnostic Gospels and the Phoenix Journals.

He speaks to the individual who wants to find God as a personal experience, to attain what some might call grace, or God-consciousness, or enlightenment.

Christianity needs to overcome its tendency to be exclusionary and refocus on being a religion of personal insight and spiritual growth. In this way Jesus can be seen for the universal teacher he truly is--someone whose teachings of compassion, tolerance, and understanding can embrace and be embraced by all of us.

You can't separate Jesus from His Being. The devil tried that, and though are trying it again, you will fail, just like the devil did.

You are welcome to not accept what the Bible says about Jesus being your salvation. Jesus, by His work of salvation, brought Godness back to you. Thus it is your right to reject even your Godness as you are doing.

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34486  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: October 20, 2015, 09:25:33 PM
We just hate stupid people.  Roll Eyes

But first we feel sorry for stupid people.    Roll Eyes
34487  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: October 20, 2015, 09:24:05 PM
Mankind was made in God's image.

You contradict yourself.

the Adam and Eve story is the truth
What you are telling me is that:
A God of Creation capable of ordering a universe [caused] his most precious creations to be a mud sculpture and a rib-bone birthed in sin.

You are so blind that you can't even see the thing that I am telling you. Here it is.

God made mankind perfect.
Mankind threw away the perfection by sinning.
Jesus-God brought perfection back for mankind.
Folks like you are disregarding this final perfection,
and losing even it thereby.

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34488  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: October 20, 2015, 09:21:20 PM
Have you given up saying Christianity is based on fear?
Yes. BADecker has just confirmed Christainity is fear based. There is no need for me to continue pressing this fact. He done all the hard work for me.  Cheesy
He just just threaten me with the good old "believe or else" sketch.  Roll Eyes
You better learn about God and fear Him a bit. Even though He offers forgiveness, there will come a time when He will withdraw the offer from all those who won't accept it. And His power is way beyond the power of a big man who has a gun out of its holster. Don't tick God off if you know what's good for you.



Who cares what Christianity is based in? You better learn how to fear God, or you will be destroyed. Once you learn the Fear, then you will find the salvation and the love that replaces the fear.

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34489  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: October 20, 2015, 09:18:20 PM

1) He did not EVER ONCE suggest he was your SAVIOR.
Right here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg12690846#msg12690846.


2) He represented the Christ Path of Truth and Godness--he NEVER CLAIMED TO BE GOD. IN FACT AT HIS
TRIAL WHEN ASKED IF HE WAS GOD HE SAID, “THEY say as much."
From the Bible New Testament, John 10:22-38:
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Then came the Feast of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was in the temple area walking in Solomon’s Colonnade. The Jews gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.”

Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father’s name speak for me, but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”

Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken—what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”


3) The New Commandment says "follow my example", "love others as I have loved you"; there is no Commandment to believe in a savior. It is sufficient to follow the Commandment he gave; is this not what is meant by "take up your cross"?

The trouble with you is, you would like to do the command. You are trying to do the command. But you can't love. If you had any love, you would teach people how to be saved the only way that they CAN be saved... through the salvation done by Jesus of the Bible.

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34490  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: October 20, 2015, 08:57:14 PM
When Adam and Eve sinned

That is a made-up story with no substance; MAN is made in GOD'S image.

How dare you limit a God of Creation capable of ordering a universe and causing his most precious creations to be a mud sculpture and a rib-bone birthed in sin.

There is a whole nation of people who have strength of will, and family and tradition consciousness who have it handed down that the Adam and Eve story is the truth.

How dare you limit God to using some stupid story that you concoct rather than the true story of how He did it.

Mankind was made in God's image. Through Jesus and His work of salvation, mankind is remade in God's image. Don't toss it away by not accepting the perfection of Jesus.

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34491  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Water on Mars? Bleh. Astronomers may have found giant alien 'megastructures' on: October 20, 2015, 08:51:56 PM
Why they never contacted us?
There has already been contact; I posted about it here in this thread. The CONTACT newspaper and Phoenix Journals are the record of that contact.

4. They see us like ants not worthy of contacting.
Since the record of the contact already exists, it is up to you to decide to read it; only you can choose if you think it is worth your time to "reach out and touch someone"--LIKE GOD.

#4, its very possible they are merely observing us for now, judging weather we are worth contacting, or may be a future threat to their civilization.

The planet has already received the contact and guidance that was sought, just as promised.

Please, read these messages and discern the validity of the information for yourself.

The biggest problem with your idea of contact is, nobody can verify for a fact that any particular place is where the contact originated. Somebody might say that there is contact, somebody might say he/she received contact by automatic writing, somebody might say he she received contact while in a trance, but there isn't any verification.

Believe it if you want, but there isn't any independent verification of it. None of the scientific methods in existence can verify it. Chance are you or any of your cronies wouldn't get on the stand in a court of law and verify it under oath or affirmation.

In other words, even if it is true, nobody knows for sure.

As far as timing about the contact, it was coincidental. Give a monkey a typewriter, he's going to type a word sometime.

Smiley
34492  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: October 20, 2015, 08:39:52 PM

It is not a LIE. It stands up to reason. And here is how.

Perfection is required for the universe to exist. Think about it. All the laws of the universe need to act perfectly. If even one of them fails in the least bit of perfection, the universe comes crashing down in a blinding cascade of destruction.

Perfection is required in at least 2 ways:
1. You can't make something work as well as the universe works together without perfection;
2. God can't stand imperfection so much, that He can't even stand the shadow of imperfection.

When Adam and Eve sinned (and all the rest of us later), the universe should have dissolved for the two above reasons. But God has His reasons for not destroying it. Rather, He brought it back to perfection. You can't do such. I can't do such. Only God can.

God did it by sending His Son, Jesus, in the form of a man - it was man who sinned, so it was man who had to pay. Being God as well as man, Jesus could take the punishment for imperfection that us weaker people couldn't take. It was the perfection of Jesus, and the strength of God that Jesus is, that upheld the universe at the same time it was turning away the imperfection from the eyes of God.

God had desired to give mankind the graces of the universe before the time of the fall into sin. Jesus took the punishment and upheld the universe, all the whole time so that He could give it all back to mankind as God had intended in the first place. That's a part of the perfection.

But neither the Father nor Jesus are going to downplay the role of Jesus in the whole thing. They are perfectly honest. And that is why you need Jesus. Because you can't do it even for yourself. You are imperfect. And you need to admit to Jesus perfection to be honest and truthful.

If you don't pick up and use the honest truth of Jesus doing it for you, you are dead and gone. Don't lock yourself into death by dying without Jesus.

Smiley

I think Perfection is Satan's tool to put you away from Science.

No, science is God's tool to set up universal perfection.   Smiley
34493  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: October 20, 2015, 08:32:32 PM
you're still saved by believing in Jesus Christ.
That is a false doctrine (LIE), it does not stand up to reason, and “faith without works is without meaning", as I have summarized here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg12690812#msg12690812

I'm not re-writing Christianity, it's just that most people are taught about it poorly.
You have taught US poorly if your claim that Christ claimed to be a "savior" cannot stand up to scrutiny. That claim is in error because it does not stand up to reason; your tampered book cannot be the "substance" that backs up your claim.

Follow the "errors" and you are totally LOST. Continue in ignorance and you end up likewise lost. Deliberately continue in ignorance to salve ego and possible change of perception--AND YOU HAVE DELIBERATELY CHOSEN AGAINST GOD. "You are either for me or ye be against me," sayeth the Lord God. How will you recognize God? By his wishy-washy homage to every error YOU make? I suggest you reconsider your position.

It is not a LIE. It stands up to reason. And here is how.

Perfection is required for the universe to exist. Think about it. All the laws of the universe need to act perfectly. If even one of them fails in the least bit of perfection, the universe comes crashing down in a blinding cascade of destruction.

Perfection is required in at least 2 ways:
1. You can't make something work as well as the universe works together without perfection;
2. God can't stand imperfection so much, that He can't even stand the shadow of imperfection.

When Adam and Eve sinned (and all the rest of us later), the universe should have dissolved for the two above reasons. But God has His reasons for not destroying it. Rather, He brought it back to perfection. You can't do such. I can't do such. Only God can.

God did it by sending His Son, Jesus, in the form of a man - it was man who sinned, so it was man who had to pay. Being God as well as man, Jesus could take the punishment for imperfection that us weaker people couldn't take. It was the perfection of Jesus, and the strength of God that Jesus is, that upheld the universe at the same time it was turning away the imperfection from the eyes of God.

God had desired to give mankind the graces of the universe before the time of the fall into sin. Jesus took the punishment and upheld the universe, all the whole time so that He could give it all back to mankind as God had intended in the first place. That's a part of the perfection.

But neither the Father nor Jesus are going to downplay the role of Jesus in the whole thing. They are perfectly honest. And that is why you need Jesus. Because you can't do it even for yourself. You are imperfect. And you need to admit to Jesus perfection to be honest and truthful.

If you don't pick up and use the honest truth of Jesus doing it for you, you are dead and gone. Don't lock yourself into death by dying without Jesus.

Smiley
34494  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: October 20, 2015, 07:44:55 PM
You are on a dead end "buddy".

Best regards.
Since you've admitted turning your back to God by worshipping man (i.e. The Pope), maybe it's you who has hit that dead end. Something to think about...


Even Christianity is based on fear. The fear of 'the Judgement day'.

That just doesn't make sense. If you believe, there's nothing to fear from judgement, because believing in Jesus saving us means we won't be judged for our sins at the judgement, and if you don't believe, well you aren't going to be afraid of something you don't believe in, right?

This is actually a fundamental problem- Christianity takes away responsibility and gives all responsibility to Jesus, which kind of makes all of the ethical codes unnecessary, although Jesus emphasizes the permanence of the old testament law. Just one of many contradictions. You can really see the development of Christian theology if you read church history, although I think the council of Nicea was one of the definitive moments.

It doesn't take away responsibility, because once you're saved and have the Holy Spirit inside of you, you will feel convicted of your sin and want to stop doing it. You will become more Christ-like as you live and follow the commandments.

Yes, and what drives you to stop doing it? FEAR of what will happen if you don't.

You seem to be obsessed about molding Christianity into something it isn't. Everybody knows what it is, why it was invented, what it stands for, how it spreads, the rules it's sets down for followers etc...
It seems pointless to me painting it into a different picture when everyone already knows what the picture looks like. Majority of people it was drilled into them at childhood.


Yes. Fear. Fear of what?

Fluffer. Make a grain of sand. Make a planet. Make a universe.

Aren't you a little in awe of a guy who is big enough to beat the s**t out of you? If he has a gun, even though he doesn't use it, aren't you at least a little bit apprehensive in his presence?, especially if he has the gun out of its holster?

You better learn about God and fear Him a bit. Even though He offers forgiveness, there will come a time when He will withdraw the offer from all those who won't accept it. And His power is way beyond the power of a big man who has a gun out of its holster. Don't tick God off if you know what's good for you.

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34495  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Who will win WW3? on: October 20, 2015, 07:36:23 PM
The idea of war has changed a lot since WWII. The only reason we are using WWII types of warfare in the Middle East is that all the big boys are scared to do anything else. Sure, the WWII war toys have been advanced in some ways, but none of the super destructive ones are being used, because nobody knows what outcome for the world would be if they were.

Depopulating the world might be advantageous in some ways. But if there is less population, there are less people to work for you and build your empire at your direction. So, the only thing really desired is getting rid of dissidents, not destroying the world out from under yourself.

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34496  Other / Politics & Society / Re: McDonald’s Is Days From Opening Restaurant Run Entirely By Robots on: October 20, 2015, 07:26:30 PM
All we are looking at is a change in where the jobs are to be found. When the wheel was invented, the wheel-wrights took some of the jobs away from the shoemakers until the shoemakers adapted to the situation by finding new jobs, or by making parts for carts that had wheels on them.

No difference with robots. If the only workers are robots, who is there to buy the products? Nobody has money, because nobody has jobs, because the robots took them all. Because of this, the whole robot scene crashes.

Presently, the people who get in first with the robots are the ones who will make out reasonably well. They don't have much competition, and people will still be getting enough money from other jobs to buy the products robots make. The disadvantage is that the early robots may be proned to failure until all the bugs are worked out.

It will be the same as always. Just like we don't have blacksmiths making cars any more, because robots took over the job, and the car companies all went bankrupt, and the nation bailed them out, there will come a time when the nation will not have the strength to bail anybody out again. We will go back to people doing the jobs, while the robots will rust.

It's just a cycle. Smart people will watch and learn. They will roll with the cycle. They will run business or find jobs where they are needed. It's always been like this.

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34497  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: October 20, 2015, 07:14:47 PM
I strongly support private gun control. Police does nothing most of the time.
Guns can be used only to save yourself from danger. And I think it is fair use.

What seems to be the case in the USA is that when the bad guys think there are probably some guns in and around an area, they avoid it.  It doesn't matter if it's one gun or a hundred.

For example, they don't attack the local AR15 club meeting or the Glock two day training sessions.

They attack the defenseless old lady at the bus stop, or the school cafeteria (gun free zone).

Hence, instilling that fear into the bad guy is what is important, more so than having a weapon for your own protection or that of those you love.

What is sought is the creation of a cultural milieu in which the bad guy is scared to make bad acts.

They are basically cowards....   

I would not say that engaging in almost any form of crime is 'cowardly.'  There are a variety of risks, but having one's face peeled off by a shotgun blast is certainly one of the more emotionally potent.

Much crime is driven by desperation and some by run-of-the-mill stupidity and lack of self control.  These classes are the ones who end up losing most often and are certainly the ones who pose the bigger risk to the innocent victim.  Criminals also victimize one another probably at least as often as they do the innocent.  When the FBI studied the problem of 'guns', they realized that for most criminals, not possessing a gun was a non-option largely because of this.  Thus, the strategy of making use of a gun in the commission of a crime carry extra-high penalties.  This was remarkably effective which is why real gun problems (as opposed to phony staged 'active shooter' events) have been declining significantly over the last four decades and are now at very tolerable levels.

I'd say generally that criminal are business people in a particular business and make rational cost/benefit analyses just like any other people in any other business.  As a gun owner I do my best to make sure that criminals are cognizant of the risk side of the equation.



Gun control with crime involved is pointing to a breakdown of society. People who are desperate will gradually move to the countryside. There are lots of lands around America that are only owned by government. People will form their own small governments as they join together with their guns to battle off forest rangers, kinda like the Bundy incident, but with folks living on the land that they take over because it is the only logical desperate measure.

With communications as they are, the face of America will change as these groups strive to help each other.

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34498  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Astronomers may have found alien megastructures orbiting star near the Milky Way on: October 20, 2015, 12:14:46 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/forget-water-on-mars-astronomers-may-have-just-found-giant-alien-megastructures-orbiting-a-star-near-a6693886.html

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A large cluster of objects in space look like something you would "expect an alien civilization to build", astronomers have said.  

Jason Wright, an astronomer from Penn State University, is set to publish a report on the “bizarre” star system suggesting the objects could be a “swarm of megastructures”, according to a new report.

I was fascinated by how crazy it looked,” Wright told The Atlantic. “Aliens should always be the very last hypothesis you consider, but this looked like something you would expect an alien civilization to build.”  

 Shocked Shocked Shocked

In the near future, they also want to try and point a radio dish in the direction of the star and see if they can detect any radio frequencies that a typical advanced civilization might use.  This could be absolutely nuts if they can somehow confirm this.

This would be like a dream coming true. Imagine what this could mean if we would finally being able to prove not being the only planet with intelligent life in space.
This could be the beginning of a new era.
unfortunately, the uneducated and ignorant masses fear what they dont know, and would rather pour money into pointless wars and the pockets of lying politicians over the space program or beneficial government programs (social security).

given the backwards trend of society i dont expect much progress to be made on the space front until aliens contact us first.

We've made huge progress in space, every decade since the 1950s, or 1930s, or 1970s, where ever you wish to put the starting point.

I'm playing with lunar maps accurate down to about one pixel per half meter....for the entire moon.  

Same thing is available for mars, but the sand moves around a bit.





The huge progress only came about because of the much bigger lies. While moon landings may truly have happened back in the '60s (looks like it was all a movie deception), the whole idea in the '50s was that we would have moon bases in the '70s, and we would be making trips back and forth at least weekly if not daily. It was a promise that hasn't been fulfilled yet. And by the looks of it, is was a complete deception, just to get more funding.

And here you go, trying to further the deception. Good little government agent.

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34499  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Astronomers may have found alien megastructures orbiting star near the Milky Way on: October 20, 2015, 12:08:58 AM
This whole article and its suggestions and conclusions are totally erroneous. They are based on a warped, inconclusive science of everything in the universe. For example. We don't even really have a clue as to how old the earth is. Carbon dating is false. From https://answersingenesis.org/age-of-the-earth/how-old-is-the-earth/:
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The results from some radiometric dating methods completely undermine those from the other radiometric methods. One such example is carbon-14 (14C) dating. As long as an organism is alive, it takes in 14C and 12C from the atmosphere; however, when it dies, the carbon intake stops. Since 14C is radioactive (decays into 14N), the amount of 14C in a dead organism gets less and less over time. Carbon-14 dates are determined from the measured ratio of radioactive carbon-14 to normal carbon-12 (14C/12C). Used on samples that were once alive, such as wood or bone, the measured 14C/12C ratio is compared with the ratio in living things today.

Now, 14C has a derived half-life of 5,730 years, so the 14C in organic material supposedly 100,000 years old should all essentially have decayed into nitrogen.19 Some things, such as wood trapped in lava flows, said to be millions of years old by other radiometric dating methods, still have 14C in them.20 If the items were really millions of years old, then they shouldn’t have any traces of 14C. Coal and diamonds, which are found in or sandwiched between rock layers allegedly millions of years old, have been shown to have 14C ages of only tens of thousands of years.21 So which date, if any, is correct? The diamonds or coal can’t be millions of years old if they have any traces of 14C still in them. This shows that these dating methods are completely unreliable and indicates that the presumed assumptions in the methods are erroneous.

Similar kinds of problems are seen in the case of potassium-argon dating, which has been considered one of the most reliable methods. Dr. Andrew Snelling, a geologist, points out several of these problems with potassium-argon, as seen in table 7.22

These and other examples raise a critical question. If radiometric dating fails to give an accurate date on something of which we do know the true age, then how can it be trusted to give us the correct age for rocks that had no human observers to record when they formed? If the methods don’t work on rocks of known age, it is most unreasonable to trust that they work on rocks of unknown age. It is far more rational to trust the Word of the God who created the world, knows its history perfectly, and has revealed sufficient information in the Bible for us to understand that history and the age of the creation.

Once you straighten science out, separating the theory and myth from reality, then you might be able to make an accurate guess about distant alien megastructures. I don't mean that the guess would be accurate as to the truth. It would only be accurate regarding guessing.

To say it simply, the whole of science on which this all is based is highly inaccurate.

Smiley

Your posts is not relevant to the thread. We are talking about possible alien mega structures here.

BTW, carbon 14 dating is not used to measure the age of planet earth. Because it has very short half life.

You simply don't see the relevance. Scientists are wrong about a whole lot of science here. What makes them think that they are even a little right about something that supposedly is many light years away?

This whole story is sensationalism. They need to keep people excited about something that they do. Otherwise they lose their funding.

Smiley
34500  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: October 20, 2015, 12:04:05 AM
When was the last time you gave everything you have to a homeless person, if you are a christian? If they aren't christians as you say then 99% of the others who say they are, aren't either.
1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

There is not one Jesus, Chopra writes, but three:
First, there is the historical Jesus, the man who lived more than two thousand years ago and whose teachings are the foundation of Christian theology and thought. Next, there is Jesus the Son of God, who has come to embody an institutional religion with specific dogma, a priesthood, and devout believers. And finally, there is the third Jesus, the cosmic Christ, the spiritual guide whose teaching embraces all humanity, not just the church built in his name. He speaks to the individual who wants to find God as a personal experience, to attain what some might call grace, or God-consciousness, or enlightenment.
When we take Jesus literally, we are faced with the impossible. How can we truly "love thy neighbor as thyself"? But when we see the exhortations of Jesus as invitations to join him on a higher spiritual plane, his words suddenly make sense.
Ultimately, Chopra argues, Christianity needs to overcome its tendency to be exclusionary and refocus on being a religion of personal insight and spiritual growth. In this way Jesus can be seen for the universal teacher he truly is--someone whose teachings of compassion, tolerance, and understanding can embrace and be embraced by all of us.
Jesus wanted his followers to evolve, to reach awareness of the Kingdom of God within. Although Jesus often sounds absolute, simplifying Karma into a matter of avoiding sin and obeying the law, the gospels still present a good deal of wisdom about how to live on the spiritual path.
His version of Karma can be summarized as follows:
Every action leads to a result.
Good actions have good results, bad actions bad results.
Every action is seen and weighed. Nothing can be hidden or kept secret.
If your actions are good, you will grow spiritually.
As you grow, your thoughts and wishes will manifest in the material world. Karma operates faster and more consciously.
God's intention is to make your actions turn out for the best. His ultimate concern is to bring you into the Kingdom, where the soul is freed from the law of Karma.

Everyone knows the Golden Rule, but this is a statement about Karma, not just about how to act morally toward other people.
Jesus implies something deeper, that when you follow the Golden Rule, you are acting as God does (Matthew 7:9-12). What makes it hard to treat others the way we want to be treated is that others may be the cause of misery, pain, and injustice. But Jesus points out that each of us is evil in his or her own way, in that we all commit wrongdoing, and yet God provides abundantly and with love. This is a compelling description of how someone acts in God-consciousness.

You are limiting yourself. Head on over to Mexico and you will find a whole lot more Jesuses.

Smiley
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