edit:
I assumed below you meant mining ..but maybe you trade...below is if you are gonna mine your crypto fyi

well, the catch I found back in around Aug/Sept was I would have MORE equip but could not (from usa) get into the bitmain site for more equip

thus that could really, really screw you up...part of the reason I'm running my knc titans in the ground at 3x the elec costs..fine I sell them

get 400w bitmain stuff vs 1250 watt titan stuff..does no good NOW at what bitmain wants vs difficulty and when it does make sense

I likely would see 2-3 batches (6 weeks) like last fall when I could not get in!)

(and I was using the local university BACKBONE inet speed...still no go)

so as an aside, make sure you can get equip ...if the equip makes sense to you...you could get locked out like I was on some in the rush on the bitmain site

also, remember if LTC prices goes from 4.15 to 20 bucks or so or more like this summer...say now 150 to 200 usd ...pump.....bitmain took my eastshore.xyz orders (and all of theirs) off their truck

in the bitmain shipping area back to bitmain...to mine in own data halls..thus .that was on the 4.15 to 20 buck pump..if LTC price goes to 150 usd expect the same 'firmware problems' they claimed

on this stunt last summer....of course, the units arrived 6 weeks later on my re-order (eastshore.xyz is legit paid us back) dated jan 2017

anyway, sh*t can get real when everyone sees a miner that has a good shot to ROI under a year....and bitmain is too cheap to give a sh*t and fix their shopping site

why bother when it sells out in 35 min? in batches of 20k? when times are good

anyway, just venting a cautionary tale to keep in mind

(same problem with Baikal x11 miners..they kept losing orders supposedly...i and a buddy ordered 20 or more in 3 batches ...i got one cube....300mh ...admittedly the cube
made me 2k so far...but it is distressing)

sorry had to vent..your view is good but watch for above traps

IF I get on here...and say I don't need to spend the crypto and mine scrypt  pow at 7,500 mh and can sit on hoard and still retire. (the crypto was the last straw

a nice 'just in case' backstop)

well, that boat has sailed......you don't have to be rich ..but you do have to have $$$$ to retire ..fact of life

I forgot to mention pools...I'm just running all my stuff the 300 Baikal, the 2 d3's for combined 35gh and my 7,500mh scrypt-pow on LTC and hoarding like hell!

thus the calculator above I forgot to state is the 'low end' of what I really earn on the D3's I likely earn at least 15% more on prohashing multipool ..or so my guess

anyway, that is my bet, I have a hard time seeing 10k BTC w/o seeing LTC of at least $100 and my guess of $150 USD...if not even $300

so, grabbing as much as I can of LTC is my current bet....hoping to get to 1,000 LTC again.... I'm at about 600 LTC after coming expenses from mining/elec etc

So yeah, if Dash price were to double (and again multi-pooling on prohashing with x11 so that all works out ...even if converted to LTC) anyway, dash doubles

and maybe we can pull these units out of the fire.....gonna be iffy thou....in my mind ...I've already wrote off electric...

again, ego wise, with the x11 Bakail that has made 2K plus over the purchase price in straight dash (up till 0ct) I can claim Maybe SOMEDAY

for my ego ...that I ROI'd on all my x11 miner/experiments (again with electric as a loss) but that is with Baikal 300 cube taking most of the load

(all about protecting the ego..this chancy equip purchasing don't ya know)

Well...not as bad as it could be....(or has been)


Price of Dash mined today by a 17.5gh Bitmain X11 miner at 1100 electric and 12c kwh is:

$6.10/day (not as bad as it has been)

https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/dash?HashingPower=17.5&HashingUnit=GH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=1100&CostPerkWh=0.12

Still, the only way my ego can survive the 2 D3's I have (ave speed 35gh) is by adding my May 2017 300 Baikal cube.....with that making around 2k over cost

I 'might' just crawl my way out to ROI (w/o counting electric..that is a loss)

IN other words, all of my X11 units as an experiment and ego protection......(bitmain not really pulling its load in that senario thou)

hey.....its all about ego protection at this point

Have not done the math, but not even sure if DASH were to double, using math, and electric, I could talk my way out of this ROI hole anyway...

For anyone interested...I started the below thread

going to give my 2 week notice from work

I can retire w/o touching my mining income or crypto (at least till mining may puke in say July of 2018)

but it took 10k BTC to plop on my head from the sky for me to sit down and figure this out!

I mean BTC 1 year ago today was $705 per USD! and as I type this it is, $9,839 per USD!

Thus it took this price jump, to make me sit down and look my situation over...


here is the link

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2478034.msg25373311#msg25373311

post what you think....post when you may also pull the trigger....take the poll...

but man, if it goes up as much from today than it did from 1 year ago today....we'd be looking at

$137,313.36 usd per BTC!

Damn, that can't happen, somewhere around 31k or so, I'd have a heart attack based on 'pure joy'

brad

My setup from a year or so ago....have not updated with the 7,500mh in the data hall in Iowa! (yeah, I know, what can I say)

anyway, for what it is worth

https://lostgonzo.imgur.com/

It has been my experience that the above miners are ALL overpriced by the time I hear about them. (also hard in that usually just heard about them

and the old ...are they legit refrain...with exception of Avalon)

and usually, you have to order in some manner in BULK ..usually 5 units....

now IF I was in China and/or a Chinese speaker...perhaps, I'd get more/better info..but this is usually the case by the time I hear about miners

other than bitmain

sad but true

(we need a lurker on the China version of bitcointalk to run relay to a thread here for us on stuff and vice versa)

Yeah, I too am like that old farmer who could sell his farmland for millions.....and scratches head.....does not sell and still putters around the farm...

god help me if I actually got USED TO HAVING MONEY...(I'd be such a prick) ...better to be a bit 'understated' on all this stuff....

That does not mean that 'friends/relatives/etc' are not at this moment looking at the BTC price and in the planning stages of duct tape/white windowless van

and some kind of 'intervention' to sell out this 'obvious' tulip/bubble crypto and BTC scam!

(cute: they want to save me from myself)

sh*t now I have to watch out for friends with open doors offering me a ride/and or any white windowless utility van.....sh*t

With an increase in BTC prices,  the level of attractiveness goes up proportionally....crypto nerds running amuck ..daughters unable to resist 'awesomeness' of BTC hoard....crypto
nerds.......deflowering our daughters...marrying and having nerd children...that don't believe in banks! Ack! This level of capitalistic success must not be allowed to continue! It
is unfair.......to we established financial institutions and governments! We demand a 'crypto nerd tariff! ban them to cubicles in the antarctic...deny them access to internet
cat videos...they will then give us their crypto keys for us to control the if/when/why of money in the world!

 



the horror! Nerds with power! (who'd a thunk it?)

(I kid thee not......this is where the low point of FUD on BTC and crypto is heading.....)

again ...mining scrypt pow 7,500 mh and investments other then BTC and crypto and no debts...I won't have to look at selling any crypto until at least June 2018 if then

so again, in my situation, it was the 10k brick hitting me on the head to look things over...so maybe after June 2018 I may have to trim some alts down, but will be fine

till then

(it is getting damn tough to even consider selling Alts with how fast stuff moving in the crypto world....selling BTC would be less than prudent, at this time, IMHO)

In my case, working with the developmentally disabled, I can always go back and or volunteer. I also train/teach Shotokan Karate-Do (free) at Campus Recreation at the local University.

Thus with work on the house and still mining like heck...I  should be plenty busy enough at least this next year...after that I could very well go back to work....I suppose....

by the by my home mining setups...I still have 2 knc titans in the basement and a baikal 300mh

all my main 7,500 mh is at a data hall in Iowa!

anyway here is my imgur page for those...lots of repaste pics of knc titan asic chips...the 1st one I got was 3 years ago....getting to be every 6 months for a repaste and tweak

anyway link..have not put many pics on since 2016 and no pics up yet of data hall machines

for what it is worth

https://lostgonzo.imgur.com/

It could go to 5K I've seen that before....odds are the same IMHO, that it could go to 20k as well

but damn, I'd be a crying ..if I sold 1/2 of my hoard last year on this date for $705 per BTC! I'd be despondent indeed!


Went the heck with it and put up a thread on why quitting my job and my reasons .(no real risk on my part either as you

see my ramblings in the thread below)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2478034.msg25367684#msg25367684


but damn, $705 BTC on this date in 2016 to $9,901 BTC as I type this ..exactly 1 year later.......what next year may bring is gonna be beyond interesting! indeed!

I'm ok...I have a hoard of crypto and the mining is extra....back in the day...when BTC was cheap..places on the thread where I say how much BTC I have

you can probably find such...but I'm ok....another 1/3 of that amount in alts...and the mining ..I'm dandy

again, my regular investments/no debt/paid off house etc...allow me to live the lifestyle I have already w/o work...it just took the 10k BTC to wake me up enough

to see such...thus still mining ..still holding..and worse case I get bored ..I can go back and work with dev disabled of volunteer so no real risk on any retirement in MY situation

but as the previous post in the thread, you get busy...BTC was $705 last year at this date.....I needed the 10k as a wake-up call to look around and go....ok I can do this with little

risk and not touching crypto even..and stay the same lifestyle..that kinda sets you back on why you are working let me tell you ...especially with crypto and mining at the moment

not needed and in backup/hoard mode anyway

I'm into mining etc, I may get to that point as well...., but pretty busy with the mining stuff for the next 1/2 year at least and need to revamp the house

I MAY be in your boat in a year..but I figure I've worked with the dev disabled for years, I can always just go back and work and/or volunteer, so no issues on a restart

to work if I choose to do so...

nice to have options

though this next year with house fixing (finally) and mining yet (at least till June 1st I figure at worst) it will make a nice change from wage slave ...

Thanks, dumb and lucky sometimes works...I got my original KNC Jupiter 550gh BTC miner on 0ct 18th 2013 up and running. On that date, BTC was $150 USD. I think
I made 1 BTC a day almost on www.slushpool.org....

I got it, because I was gonna bring up the old bbs/game server for giggles and lose 60 bucks a month in electric (was huge bbs) ..was bored....

got into this thinking, it made sense for wealth xfer...better to have BTC on a USB in a country in which it is prudent to have gold under your hut for the next
revolution....or corrupt gov't or banks etc (Cyprus)...

Also figured, it would be useful for charity contribution worldwide and especially the microloan mini-bank stuff you see in India to get folk out of poverty.

*hey, it was a game server again, or Seti-online...I was pretty bored*

I figured, with difficulty that date a gradual slope, I'd pay the unit off in like 7 months maybe and have maybe 1/2 year to pay house utils before doorstop....

boy, I was wrong......paid it off in 3 weeks and electric and BTC jumped to over 1k by Thanksgiving 2013..then, of course, dumped to $275 or some such in 2014

but by then I had drunk massive amounts of BTC kool-aid and was hooked....been a wild ride since!

But really, at my time of start..it was all hobby.....it kinda went nuts after....

But even 2013 was not soon enough....I had a chance to learn about BTC in 2009..but no one called....

On the other hand, I had a buddy at NASA nicknamed Qazz. He passed in 2005....but met all his buddies at NASA on whale talk chat in 2015...they were showing charts

of how they were trying to find BTC scammer addresses...admitted they had had NO luck...but having fun with the math etc

I asked, did you know Qazz? oh yeah...they all worked together as assembly programmers for Unisys/Nasa.....they all got into BTC in 2009 and were even in 2015 were

BTC billionaires... (at that realization I started banging head on keyboard) so had my buddy lived...he would have called me up in Jan 2009, when I was taking

down the FIVE CPU towers that ran the old BBS (Jan 19th, 2009) and I would have looked at the 5 towers and gone ..SURE....alas no one phoned me

So anyway, IF BTC goes up 10x next year.....those of you reading this may still have a shot...it may never be too late for a few more years yet...for crypto

just saying....I spent 2014 and 2015 mining LTC at like $2 out of boredom....just stick with it

Thanks, I can get by w/o taking soc sec yet (63 years) so can wait on that, can have the wonderful *semi-poor* lifestyle I have now just on my investments and the house paid off...
thus with the mining, I'm still good for 1/2 to 1 year yet (knock wood)..mining that is

and BTC and other Crypto ..can just sit......in 2 years ...at 65 I can get medicare..thus another perk...and I can still sit on crypto...full soc sec is at 66 years 3 months

So, if I keep my same, boring lifestyle, I'll likely still have 2x the money for play...that I had working..and still not touch crypto *unless I wish to take profits and hedge bets*
all the way up to full soc security retirement at 66 years and 3 months!


So, once you sit down and figure all that out....and they already downsized my job from 38 to 33 hrs a week and shifted from 9 hr shifts to 11 hr shifts.....to boot (still was

Full-time thou at 33 hrs) ...well, give me 4 days off in a row, no way to get OT due to shifts and already at 33 hrs and 10k coin...and 4 days to ponder such....eureka!

er well, I'm a bit dense, but even I could figure out that was NOT making a lot of sense anymore...even if all crypto went TULIPS I'd still be no worse off lifestyle wise

sometimes it takes a brick to hit your head, for you to reason yourself into stuff...in my case, it was the job change above and 4 days off already and 10k coin

pretty obvious in hindsight I should pull the trigger

been so damn fast on this date of 11/28/2016 the price of BTC was $705 USD as of this moment it is $9,855.55 ...if you add BCH at $1,561.21 and BTG at $351.95 and BTD $64.68

even with them, bitcoin alts of a dubious price nature comes out to $11,833.39 USD for BTC of many flavors! (again dubious paper profits but still)

Tough to not walk away...when worse case is, I have the same lifestyle as NOT working as If I kept working.....(w/o crypto of any type mining/hoarding/etc) just my regular assets!

thus the crypto hoard made me brave (the 7,500 mh of scrypt-pow mining LTC don't hurt much either!)

Again, I'm a bit dense...but jeez....again it was only $705 USD exactly 1 year ago today.....tough to keep up.....and push this thought of retirement out that fast in 1 year...

Anyway I feel like this guy below



Anyway, my Black Swan Event....was the 10k coin and looking at my lifestyle and etc...and going, I can do this ....and don't even have to use BTC and all my Crypto, in any way at this
 
time and only a 'backstop' at this time...so no real risk to pulling the trigger now and quitting the job (sh*t this math worked 3 months ago at 5k coin as well)

but again, its only been a year...hard to grasp such things, until you actually sit down and do the numbers etc

so tulips or not I'm all in..trying to keep the crypto hoard intact..worse case I'm no worse off on retirement then before BTC and crypto LIVES... best case...well best case my mind boggles

because if it went up 10x this year...how am I gonna keep my sanity if it does the same in 2018?

This "Bitcoin Matrix' is an exciting if scary as f*ck place...

anyway, how is it hanging for you guys? Have I made any of you snap and do the same as me here?

please post what you think of the thread

Was pm'ing folk on this...but figured, what the heck, tell everybody.....my ship came in!

It kinda looks like below! (many ships/much luck/efficient cluelessness!)



10K BTC ...sh*t got real....

(putting in my 2-week notice for work...probably 11/29 wens...)

thus ..... only time the guys will see me from now on ..is every couple weeks for ice cream and/or pizza...with them (I worked a house with 4 dev disabled folk)

man, the power's that be, at my job, are gonna sh*t a brick when I give them only 2 weeks notice on Wens/Thurs this week......I've been company 26.5 years.....

Time to do it.....

I am still making my money mining....enough to live on even...and regular investments....forget the BTC and other crypto hoards....don't even have to touch them... so no reason to wait....

(by this announcement the ASIC gods have now diverted that near pass asteroid, popping by this month, will impact,  directly at my house, that would suck)

Brad


p.s. take the poll on when you plan to pull the trigger and be an escaped wage slave...


edit: 11/30/2017

I just figured out I have to wait until Dec 31st, 2017 to retire.....need to keep health insurance until my individual health insurance plan starts on 1/1/2018.

Duh. Kinda obvious. So Gasp! I will have to work an EXTRA 2 WEEKS! (the horror!) Ack!

Anway, have more time to line stuff up, I guess...

10K BTC ...sh*t got real....

(putting in 2 week notice for work...probably 11/29 wens...)

thus ..... only time the guys will see me from now on ..is every couple weeks for ice cream and/or pizza...with the them (I worked a house with 4 dev disabled folk)

man, the power's that be, at my job, are gonna sh*t a brick when I give them only 2 weeks notice on Wens/Thurs this week......I've been company 26.5 years.....

Time to do it.....

I am still making my money mining....enough to live on even...and regular investments....forget the BTC and other crypto hoards....don't even have to touch them... so no reason to wait....

(by this announcement the asic gods have now diverted that near pass asteroid ..popping by this month, directly at my house...that would suck)

I'm sure he/she was kidding on that post.....I mean really, expecting anything from Alpha-Tech at this point would
be like an adult ...hoping Santa will show up with a Tesla under the tree

(same odds)

Nope...they likely now (if kept the BTC) have 100's of millions in BTC now from their scam....I should google it..but I'm sure they are

officially off the hook in the U.K. by now due to declaring bankruptcy......thus the perfect heist!

well played, well played indeed




I imagine them all on a beach someplace with Buttterfly labs/gaw miners/knc miners/spondoolies miners/avalon/bitmain

all yucking it up.....I suppose someday...if BTC really goes high...I might bump into them at a charity event ...or someone else

I believe previous on this thread if that happens ...we are obligated to kick them in the nad's and make a youtube video of such

(seems I remember an online vow someone started on this)

sad to say they will never read this post on this thread...likely on a beach, drinking Mai Tai's on the coast of India Ocean....alas

Well, I can't compete with that..I am thinking of end of this year I will retire....(with crypto will work great...w/o crypto still OK) as such I can (w/o crypto) live in the fabulous
lifestyle of 35k I have in the past...whee......

with crypto maybe a 75K a year lifestyle is possible

however, I'm like an old farmer with millions in land that he never sells...just putters on the farm still....wtf am I gonna do if I retire? (or gasp ...touch crypto!!!! the horror!) so not sure yet...end of this year

or

March of 2018 when I turn 63. (This retire is w/o taking soc security which I could stall on till I'm 66 yrs and 3 months)

yeh...options ..pull the trigger or not...options.....

edit: to clarify living off mining last 5 months...all the job income goes into 401k/health insurance/H.S.A/extra into w-4/etc.....after all that is set aside tax free I get $24.11 every 2
weeks....so only working 3 days a week on the job now (11hr shifts ....3 days a week...still considered full time for above benifits..have 4 days off a week in a row)

so anyway, semi-retired.....anyway....but yeah again when to pull the trigger complete is the question