bitsaloon closed a long time ago.
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"A" rated books
Anonibet A
"B"rated books
NitrogenSports B+
Betcoinsports B-
"C" rated books
Casinobitcoin C+
Cloudbet C+
SBObitcoin C+
CoinBet C
DirectBet C
Jetwin C-
BetOWI C-
Bitbm C-
"D" rated books
Coindraft D+
Roadbet D+
BetVIP D+
Bitcoinlivebets D-
"F" rated book
Bitcoinsport
StakeBTC
NR
Bitbook - Closed but paid players.
BTCSportsmatch - Closed. All but one player was paid.
Bitsaloon - Closed
Beta books not included.
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Dear Peeps Place,
As Anonibet we will not enter into any discussion with other bookies trying to discredit us. We have very seldom posted on your thread because it should be a rating thread by players for players. We have only answered once or twice questions here, we will not praise Anonibet here neither we will attack other bookies and discredit them.
At the end of the day, Bitcoin customers are very experienced consumers and they know where to place their bet, they know who to trust or not.
We will only post on this thread if some questions are directly asked to us.
Keep on the good job!
On behalf of Anonibet.com, your trusted Bitcoin Sportsbook and Casino since 2011!
Michael
To the wonderful folks at Anonibet and Peeps Place, This is very well phrased. We completely agree. Peeps Place's ratings should be by the players, for the players. All of us operators should be held accountable to the community, and we should strive to continuously improve our product offering and level of service. We won't clutter the thread arguing over our ratings - just please let us know if there if anyone has any questions, comments, concerns, feedback, or suggestions for Cloudbet. Otherwise, keep up the superb work! Cheers, Cloudbet PS: Anonibet, we love your work. Let's have a beer soon. Dear Cloudbet, Sure we can have a beer. We would like to see you becoming stronger in order to help us expanding the number Bitcoin punters. We are at Anonibet fervent Bitcoin believers and so called "anarcho-liberals", so competition is something we love. We are advertising outside the Bitcoin community on purely "betting" websites in order to convert traditional punters to Bitcoin. We would like to see our competitors to do the same, so we can grow the number of Bitcoin punters. Peeps Place, carry on the good job! Regards, Michael I think that's a great point. Too many new books are opening up trying to grab the same clients. There's an untapped wealth of gamblers that haven't converted to bitcoins yet. |
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Seriously why is all this back and forth with Directbet? They really need to stop already, haven't they only been in business for a few months already? Your actually kind to books Peepsplace, if it was me they would be rated a C just like how SBR does unless they prove otherwise just because they are "new". Don't let up because some books do a couple of good things, it has to be all the time.
Also Peeps look into adding Betowi and Sportsbetting online to your list, they also accept bitcoin to deposit and withdraw, they have been in business for a few years. Just thought u should know as they offer 100% bonuses.
I just found out that Betowi and Sportsbettingonline are the same. You can use the same ID and password for both books. I did some searching on them and noticed that Sportsbookreview gave them both C- grades (though I'm not sure why). Yes this is what they started a C rating at SBR and it has been 2 years with no upgrade, this is what I'm trying to get PeepsPlace to understand in the ratings as they have been pretty good over the last few years with no payout issues from my understanding. Books have to earn there ratings and show they are good for players. This is how players can judge how safe there hard earned money will be. As for these books I mentioned, I deposit $500 get that 100% bonus and try to only bet $200 and also try not to keep to high balances here, I have other books for that, these are promo books if u know what I mean. I signed up at BetOWI when EOG took them on as an advertiser. I never made a deposit. BetOWI raised the roll to 16x on the 100% bonus. I got stiffed by another 100% bonus book over there in BetRevolution. Has anyone made any bitcoin deposits or withdrawals from BetOWI? |
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Seriously why is all this back and forth with Directbet? They really need to stop already, haven't they only been in business for a few months already? Your actually kind to books Peepsplace, if it was me they would be rated a C just like how SBR does unless they prove otherwise just because they are "new". Don't let up because some books do a couple of good things, it has to be all the time.
Also Peeps look into adding Betowi and Sportsbetting online to your list, they also accept bitcoin to deposit and withdraw, they have been in business for a few years. Just thought u should know as they offer 100% bonuses.
I just found out that Betowi and Sportsbettingonline are the same. You can use the same ID and password for both books. |
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A few posters have mentioned that a book should earn it's grade. Some books have gone under confiscating player's funds. All of them where in business less than one year. The following will be maximum grades based upon time in business. No exceptions will be made.
A - 2 years
B - 1 year
C - 3 months
D - 1 month
F - reserved for books that are slow paying or stiffing players.
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Liverpool vs. Manchester:
DirectBet offers:
Match Odds
Draw no bet
Double chance
Over/Under
That's not true. We offer many more bets on this game, and many more will be added as we approach the match day. Link to the game pageSoccer leagues offered:
DirectBet : 9
Anonibet : 82
That's also not true. There are direct links to the top 9 leagues, but we cover well over 200 Soccer leagues and competitions. As of this writing, there are more than 400 Soccer games that you can bet on right now. No other Bitcoin Sportsbook beat that !http://www.directbet.eu/Events.cshtml?EventType=SoccerPeeps Place, perhaps you gave us a lower rating because you were not aware of all our features ? Please reconsider our rating. My fault. You do offer many leagues. The first page only lists 9 leagues but you have a section with other leagues. The ratings are not just my opinion. I have played with all the books. I add that too what players are posting. I may only have one week experience with a book, while others are playing there daily for months. Their opinion means a lot more. |
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Seriously why is all this back and forth with Directbet? They really need to stop already, haven't they only been in business for a few months already? Your actually kind to books Peepsplace, if it was me they would be rated a C just like how SBR does unless they prove otherwise just because they are "new". Don't let up because some books do a couple of good things, it has to be all the time.
Also Peeps look into adding Betowi and Sportsbetting online to your list, they also accept bitcoin to deposit and withdraw, they have been in business for a few years. Just thought u should know as they offer 100% bonuses.
Thanks legion, I'll look into those two. I agree that the ratings have been too kind, especially with all the new books that keep starting up. More books are going to close shop. |
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Are there any current slow pays or complaints with a book?
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Soccer leagues offered:
DirectBet : 9
Anonibet : 82
edit: DirectBet has a much larger selection of leagues than 9. Click other soccer to see all leagues.
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Liverpool vs. Manchester: DirectBet offers: Match Odds Draw no bet Double chance Over/Under Anonibet: Liverpool FC - Manchester City
13 April 2014 06:37 GMT -6 Sunday
England Premier League
Standard
Liverpool FC+135
Draw+245
Manchester City+190
Draw No Bet
Liverpool FC-154
Manchester City+105
Double Chance
Liverpool FC or Draw-250
Manchester City or Draw-182
Liverpool FC or Manchester City-330
Handicap 0-1
Liverpool FC (-1)+335
Draw Liverpool FC (-1)+380
Manchester City (+1)-166
1st Half
Liverpool FC+170
Draw+145
Manchester City+215
Half Time / Full Time
Liverpool FC/Liverpool FC+260
Liverpool FC/Draw+1225
Liverpool FC/Manchester City+3100
Draw/Liverpool FC+600
Draw/Draw+525
Draw/Manchester City+725
Manchester City/Liverpool FC+2600
Manchester City/Draw+1225
Manchester City/Manchester City+355
Over/Under
Over 1.5-700
Over 2.5-200
Over 3.5+120
Over 4.5+270
Over 5.5+525
Under 1.5+390
Under 2.5+140
Under 3.5-166
Under 4.5-400
Under 5.5-1100
Correct Score
1-0+1050
2-0+1250
2-1+770
3-0+2150
3-1+1400
3-2+1800
4-0+5100
4-1+3250
4-2+4250
5-0+9900
5-1+9550
0-0+1500
1-1+520
2-2+810
3-3+2850
0-1+1200
0-2+1600
1-2+880
0-3+3150
1-3+1750
2-3+2050
0-4+8250
1-4+4700
2-4+5450
0-5+9900
1-5+9900
1st Half Correct Score
1-0+365
2-0+1075
2-1+1600
0-0+270
1-1+575
2-2+4800
Any 3++1025
0-1+425
0-2+1400
1-2+1825
Both Teams Score
Yes-222
No+160
1st Half Totals
Over 0.5-450
Over 1.5+110
Over 2.5+325
Under 0.5+250
Under 1.5-166
Under 2.5-625
2nd Half Totals
Over 0.5-700
Over 1.5-143
Over 2.5+210
Under 0.5+350
Under 1.5-105
Under 2.5-330
Clean Sheet / Home Team
Yes+295
No-450
Clean Sheet / Away Team
Yes+360
No-625
First Team To Score
Liverpool FC-125
Manchester City+100
No goal+1800
Second Half
Liverpool FC+150
Draw+170
Manchester City+195
Which Half Most Goal
1st half+195
2nd half+105
Tie+260
Winning Margin
Liverpool FC wins by 3 or more goals+850
Liverpool FC wins by 2 goals+600
Liverpool FC wins by 1 goal+355
Draw+225
Manchester City wins by 3 or more goals+1325
Manchester City wins by 2 goals+800
Manchester City wins by 1 goal+400
Goals Scored
No Goals+1725
1 goal+600
2 goals+290
3 goals+300
4 goals+345
5 goals+625
6 goals or more +625
Goals Home Team
0 goals+425
2 goals+240
1 goal+190
3+ goals+270
Goals Away Team
0 goals+330
2 goals+255
1 goal+175
3+ goals+360
Number of Goals Odd/Even
Odd+100
Even-125
1st Half Number of Goals Odd/Even
Odd-105
Even-133
Asian Handicap
Liverpool FC (0)-143
Liverpool FC (-0.25)-105
Liverpool FC (-0.5)+125
Manchester City (0)+105
Manchester City (+0.25)-133
Manchester City (+0.5)-166
Asian Under/Over
Over 3-133
Over 3.25+100
Over 2.75-166
Under 3-105
Under 3.25-133
Under 2.75+115
Asian Handicap Half Time
Liverpool FC (-0.25)+120
Liverpool FC (0)-143
Liverpool FC (+0.25)-222
Manchester City (+0.25)-166
Manchester City (0)+100
Manchester City (-0.25)+155
Asian Under/Over Half Time
Over 1.5+115
Over 1-222
Over 1.25-125
Under 1.5-154
Under 1+155
Under 1.25-111
Asian Handicap Second Half
Liverpool FC (+0.25)-200
Liverpool FC (-0.25)+110
Liverpool FC (0)-143
Manchester City (-0.25)+145
Manchester City (+0.25)-154
Manchester City (0)+100
Asian Under/Over Second Half
Over 1.75+100
Over 2+145
Over 1.5-133
Under 1.75-133
Under 2-200
Under 1.5+100 |
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I feel like a shill for Anonibet but to answer DirectBet and gogoppp these are a couple of reasons why I consider Anonibet superior and a safer book than DirectBet. I encompass both American and European sports. The World Cup will be huge.
1. Multiple linesmen.
2. Multiple people involved in risk management.
3. Many more clients world wide.
4. Many more offerings.
5. Higher limits full game.
6. Higher withdrawal amounts.
7. They opened in 2011.
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The books moving on air without their own linesman are going to get one sided action at times. It looks like the case with most bitcoin books. Many clone Pinny, CRIS, Betwin, etc and just play follow the leader. Since most are so small, I doubt they lay off any action. They are vulnerable. The bigger books don't even need to lay off action. It's a choice based upon their risk management.
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Directbet- You say that your profit margin is small. How are you going to make it by getting competitive odds? Your profit becomes non-existent. Something needs to be changed to keep up with the top books.
The new books just breaking in have to have a good sized bankrolls to absorb losses at the beginning. It's the same as any other business. You have to be able to hold out until profits roll in. Most individually owned restaurants go under. It will be the same for the new bitcoin books.
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Face it guys, DIRECTBET sucks. They should be rated a C AT BEST.
They used to be decent with 1.85/1.85 odds but now they're awful with 1.70/1.70 odds.
Our odds are dynamic and change constantly. They can go as high as 1.92 / 1.92, depending mainly on how reliable they are. Generally, you will be able to find better odds as we get closer to the event start time as odds are more reliable at that time. When odds are not reliable they are reduced. The other option we have is not to offer these bets at all, but based on customers feedback we have concluded that it is better to offer bets at reduced odds rather than not offer them at all. You might not like them and can skip them if you like, but others might find them appealing. Our odds can never be as low as 1.7 / 1.7 before the start of the game, but they might get low in extreme circumstances during the game when there is a lot of uncertainty. However, usually when that happens, it is for bets that are not offered by other Bitcoin sportbooks anyhow. While the theoretical hold may appear very high at first, we have been very transparent on our thread by announcing that our actual profit to date is just 3%, mainly because bettors have the advantage of picking only the bets that they like most which are in their favor. Out of that 3%, we give back 1% to our most loyal customers through our VIP program and other promotions, bringing our gross profit before expenses down to 2%. This profit margin is the minimum required to cover our operational costs and pay out affiliates. Should the profit margin increase in the future we will be able to increase the odds. That's said, we have several big winners here so it's certainly possible to profit with existing odds. Bitbook was brave to offer unrealistic high odds and we have all seen the result. They went out of business and didn't have enough to pay all their customers. While our odds may not be the highest, we offer the highest security for your Bitcoins, 10 BTC monthly bonuses to those who frequently bet on our website, a unique feature that allows you to negotiate better odds and a very high max bet size. I posted positives in the post above so now I'll address something that I like, but feel you are overrating. No deposit is not as big with a bitcoin book as a cash book. Huge balances aren't needed with the ease of deposits and withdrawals of the bitcoin books. |
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DirectBet : Here are your positives.
1. High limits on live betting.
2. You accept bets immediately with 0 confirmations.
3. You pay fast.
4. No deposit required.
5. You paid me in an Olympic event where two people won golds. I did bring it to your attention and you still paid. The rules were rightfully changed subsequently.
there are many good things. Get competitive with live betting and it will really help since it must be ignored if the hold remains as high as it is right now.
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DirectBet - I don't want to keep harping on the negatives of your book since there are positives so I'm just answering questions at this point. It's been posted on the forums by players that both Anonibet and Nitrogen are "A" rated books. Player survey has stated that Anonibet and Nitrogen are "A" rated books. I take all surveys seriously but multiple backings of a book must be taken more seriously than 1 or 2. Also, you posted in your thread asking for players to respond to the survey. That is the Chicago way to vote. We use the dead, stuff the ballot box and bus them in to vote.
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Anonibet will be an "A". Nitrogen will be a "B+". All other books will be a "B" or lower. "A"s and "B"s aren't going to be thrown around easily. SBOBitcoin will most likely be the third rated book. SBOBitcoin still does things that are confusing. They keep changing the exchange rate and using a go between for deposits/withdrawals that isn't liked by players.
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DirectBet- If there isn't one player that states DirectBet is better or equal to Anonibet or Nitrogen, why do you think you should be rated close to those two books?
What you say is informative about your book and is appreciated. The ratings are determined for the players by the players.
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DirectBet- You can't just toss out hold because it isn't listed in the criteria. If a book does something outrageous, it has to be considered.
Our odds, on average, are not lower than your top rated Bitcoin sportsbook, and if you factor in our bonuses and other promotions, you will see that our real odds are actually better. So my question to you is, why did you reduce our rating due to "Low Odds", when our odds are not lower than your top rated sportsbook ? I didn't say that I reduced your ratings because of low odds. I'm saying that I'm almost completely ignoring your live betting on American sports because of low odds. |
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