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3541  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is not a store of value on: December 29, 2017, 06:39:16 PM
Most people with bitcoins can no longer use them for transactions. That means that if Bitcoin is a store of value, then it is a store of value in the same way that collectibles are a store of value.

Like a painting, the value of your bitcoins is no more than the value of having them and the value of being able to show others that you have them.
3542  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Security & back-up related to 2FA/QR codes on: December 29, 2017, 12:24:59 PM
I trade on several exchanges and I always use 2FA. I backed-up all the codes of the google autheticator.
However, I realise that I never printed or took printscreens of the QR codes from the exchanges. Is this necessary?
I have difficulties to retrace these codes on all the exchanges....

The QR code is simply a computer-readable version of the google authenticator secret.

If you didn't save a copy of the secret, you can get it again (or perhaps get a new one) by disabling and re-enabling 2fa. I wouldn't rely on the site believing you when you tell them you lost your phone.
3543  Economy / Economics / Re: outside from bitcoin is network marketing profitable ? on: December 29, 2017, 04:07:26 AM
"network marketing" is a euphemism for "pyramid scheme". Most people lose money in a pyramid scheme. The people that make the most money are the operators because they risk nothing (except the possibility of prison).
3544  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: is bitcoin address the same as Public key ? on: December 29, 2017, 04:04:22 AM
Yes, your bitcoin is the public key.

I recommend that you read more before you post.
3545  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: is bitcoin address the same as Public key ? on: December 28, 2017, 04:52:06 AM
is bitcoin address the same as Public key in my wallet's ?

No, though many people confuse the two. A Bitcoin address is a base-58 encoding of a hash of a public key.

More specifically:
1. Determine the public key from the private key.
2. Hash the public key using SHA-256 to get a 256-bit value.
3. Hash the result of #2 with RIPEMD-160 to get a 160-bit value.
4. Encode the result of #3 using base-58 encoding scheme to produce a Bitcoin address.
3546  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Question on the bitcoin holders: Cryptoeconomics after the US-Dollar on: December 28, 2017, 04:43:56 AM
How will you argue the value of your bitcoin, when the US dollar and the US empire disapears, currently people compare their bitcoins value with the us dollar they can get for it,
...
That question was answered a long time ago with this:
3547  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why is my bitcoin address constantly changing? on: December 27, 2017, 10:51:11 PM
We should have more control over changes to public addresses and i bet lots of money goes missing because of this

if i want to change my email address every day for "Security" then that's my decision and maybe i want to scan the block chain
myself for all my spending and i have better things to do than to type in 50 transaction ID's

You are focusing too much on the addresses. Let the wallet manage the addresses. There is no need for you to get involved. My wallet has generated hundreds of addresses. I have never needed to keep track of them. My wallet lists every transaction I have ever made.

Either way, you can reuse addresses if you want. Get an address from your wallet, and print the QR code on a piece of paper and laminate it. Now you have your one address.
3548  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-12-25] Market manipulation: reality or fantasy on: December 27, 2017, 10:18:43 PM
Unless anyone can produce any real evidence of "manipulation" (which I have yet to see) having any effect on the market, these claims of manipulation must be considered to be fantasy.

People are very susceptible to confirmation bias. They see what they want to believe and tend to ignore evidence to the contrary. Read about "street light interference" and be amazed.

... Of course, I have no hard proof, but it seems much more likely to me that it is happening rather than that it is not.

No proof --> fantasy.


That is not a good way of thinking. You are acting like this is some sort of legal case where traders are "innocent until proven guilty." The problem is that this is not a legal case. For instance, if a person gets hired at a store and the customer service reviews of the store happen to go down in the weeks following this, it is reasonable to conclude that the new employee is to blame in some part. Sure, there is no hard proof of this, but you cannot consider the possibility a "fantasy". In fact, it would be ignorant to do so. The same goes with traders and market movements.

I agree. Yes, proving manipulation would be the ideal case, but that doesn't mean we should not be suspicious or at least questioning market movements. Just because manipulation is not plainly clear doesn't mean we should assume all is fine in coinland.

I agree that the possibility is real, though actual occurrences are rare and inconsequential. However, people frequently believe that specific moves in the market are caused by manipulation without any evidence (other than the movement itself), and that is fantasy.
3549  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-12-25] Market manipulation: reality or fantasy on: December 27, 2017, 07:15:38 AM
Unless anyone can produce any real evidence of "manipulation" (which I have yet to see) having any effect on the market, these claims of manipulation must be considered to be fantasy.

People are very susceptible to confirmation bias. They see what they want to believe and tend to ignore evidence to the contrary. Read about "street light interference" and be amazed.

... Of course, I have no hard proof, but it seems much more likely to me that it is happening rather than that it is not.

No proof --> fantasy.

... the potential will be there to manipulate the markets.

Potential? Maybe or maybe not. Again, no evidence --> fantasy.

I would also like to note that I don't feel that many situations that some people might consider manipulation are really manipulation. Just as fee-paying Bitcoin transactions that seem purposeless can't really be considered spam, placing orders can't be considered manipulation. For example, is a "sell wall" manipulation or is it just a large order? Are high frequency traders really manipulating the market by placing and canceling orders, or are they just gaining information or perhaps using game theory to compete against other traders?
3550  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-12-25] Market manipulation: reality or fantasy on: December 27, 2017, 06:18:12 AM
Unless anyone can produce any real evidence of "manipulation" (which I have yet to see) having any effect on the market, these claims of manipulation must be considered to be fantasy.

People are very susceptible to confirmation bias. They see what they want to believe and tend to ignore evidence to the contrary. Read about "street light interference" and be amazed.
3551  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Growth of Crypto proved Warren Buffet wrong on: December 27, 2017, 05:09:43 AM
Warren Buffet was proven wrong.
He claimed BTC was not a currency since it was valued against the USD
...
The moron of Omaha was wrong

Perhaps you could support your opinions with some facts and actual quotes?

Besides, a large number of the people here on Bitcointalk believe that Bitcoin is no longer a currency, but is now a "store of value". Are they morons, too?
3552  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin and the decimal system on: December 25, 2017, 11:52:31 PM
One bitcoin is the equivalent of 10^8 satoshi. I wonder if someone could explain why one has not defined the factor as a power of 2,
as this would be a naturale choice from my point of view. Is there any deeper meaning in the preference for the decimal system ?
I'll highly appreciate your explanations and/or suggestions.

The number of satoshis in a bitcoin is arbitrary. People are accustomed to the decimal system and defining, for example, one bitcoin as 232 satoshis has no benefit over defining it as 108 satoshis.

From your point of view, why would a binary system be better?
3553  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: TOP 100 RICHEST BITCOIN WALLET ADDRESSES on: December 25, 2017, 10:40:55 PM
Keep in mind that these are addresses and not wallets, and there is very little that you can determine about the people holding bitcoins just from the addresses themselves.

Satoshi is estimated to have up to 800k BTC (which typically gets rounded up to 1 million), but these all remain in the original addresses, each containing 50 BTC.

Many of the top addresses, such as the Bitfinex address, contain bitcoins held for millions of people.
3554  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Cloud Mining on: December 25, 2017, 09:28:53 AM
My friend recommend me HashFlare, not sure whether it is legit

The only sort of legitimate cloud mining site I know is Genesis Mining. To answer your questions though..
Is it good? Depends. What do you mean by "good"? Good in terms of what?
Is it profitable? Definitely not.


My friend told me he invested some money a few months ago and already got the money back and keep making profit, not sure whether to trust him. Maybe another scam.

I had this conversation recently:

Him: "I bought a cloud mining contract at the beginning of the year and I tripled my money."
Me: "Well, if you just bought the bitcoins instead, your profit would have been 10x, so you lost money."
3555  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Demographic of Bit Coin Users on: December 25, 2017, 06:57:43 AM
The average bit coin user appears to

1. have no idea what money actually is
2. have a strong predicament against govermental control in general
3. prefer rationalization over reason, i.e. invents reasons for things he wants to be true like "bit coin's intrinsic value lies in the energy needed to mine it" while discarding obvious counter arguments like "the intrinsic value of my shit is the same whether I press hard or not at all"
4. Have little to no understanding of what constitutes real economic value

Anything else I missed?

1. That applies to most people. However, Bitcoin users tend to know more about money and economic value than most people.
2. Yes, hopefully.
3. A rational person would say that "intrinsic" value doesn't exist, so arguments about the intrinsic value of anything are moot.
4. See #1
3556  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Morgan Stanley says the true price of bitcoin might be zero ? on: December 24, 2017, 06:19:17 PM
The difference is optimism vs. pessimism.

The people that wrote that article are pessimistic about Bitcoin. They focus on its problems and shortcomings, and they are intentionally short-sighted. They correctly believe that current price is not justified by its current utility, but they refuse to accept that future adoption and improvements could justify the present value.

On the other side are the optimists. The correctly look to the potential benefits, but they focus on an idealized future -- one that may not even be possible. They go to irrational extremes to justify their wishful thinking, and they intentionally remain ignorant of reality.

In the end, you have the endless articles by the pessimists stating that the optimists are irrational or naive and that Bitcoin is a failure because it is not what the optimists believe it is. And you have the endless rants by the optimists stating that the pessimists are ignorant or malicious, and that Bitcoin will succeed because it is more than what the pessimists believe it is.
3557  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Btc special offer, invest. on: December 23, 2017, 11:15:06 AM
Scam
3558  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Signs of corrections? on: December 23, 2017, 10:55:17 AM
Heh. Well alot of people are apparantly able to sell at good times and buy again low, so there has to be a somewhat reliable way.

Well, considering that the people selling at a good time have to sell to people buying at a bad time, and people buying low have to buy from people selling low, i think that it shows that there is not a reliable way.
3559  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Signs of corrections? on: December 23, 2017, 08:04:10 AM
How do i see those darn corrections coming and know when to sell!

You don't have a time machine? I thought every investor has a time machine. If you want to invest, you really must have a time machine. How else are you going to travel into the future in order to find out what to invest and what not to invest in?

3560  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How do private key works and how do I use it to make the transactions??? on: December 22, 2017, 06:37:08 AM
How do private key works and how do I use it to make the transactions from my main bitcoin address to my imported bitcoin address?

That question is difficult to understand. Perhaps you should explain what you want to do.

The wallet uses a private key to sign a transaction in order to prove that you have the right to send the bitcoins and to prevent anyone else from modifying the transaction.
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