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361  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Deep dive intro culture of russia-Ukraine war on: June 17, 2022, 09:37:43 PM
@what's_happening

Russian regions creating it's own military squads. Where they accept only locals. And look into the names of such squads - "«Bяткa», «Пapмa», «Aлгa», «Tимep», бaтaльoн имeни Шaймypaтoвa.". This all local mythology and history. Not Moscow or empire (in that case such squads would be named after empire heroes, like "Cyвopoв" or "Epмaк" )

Russia already has one succesfull case of local army - Chechnya. And as you know, Chechnya ultra independent compared to other regions.

"Chechnya is a vassal kingdom of Kadyrov in personal union with Russia. It's not an integral part of Russia and its troops are not  part of Russian army.Chechen conscript don't go to Russian army, they go to its "Chechen regiments" which are led by and personally loyal to Kadyrov"
https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1504585734212055076

Such things will bring an end to the russian empire. Local rules gets more power and authority if they have their own armed forces.

LPR and DPR was at frist such kingdoms too, with a lot of warlords handling their own armies. Russian didn't have direct control over them. So, one by one, russians assasinated all of this warlords and established FSB control over territory.

Few longreads about Chechnya (this is enough interesting to read):

- Kadyrov's kingdom

- TikTok warlord

- The place of Chechnya within the Russian regime
"TL;DR Russia is extremely centralised  which makes it fragile. It needs an informal and largely independent face to make the regime more robust. That's why Kadyrov is the last line of Putin's defence"
362  Other / Politics & Society / Deep dive intro culture of russia-Ukraine war on: June 17, 2022, 09:34:53 PM
I've found that many westerners is really out of context about reasons of this war and other things related to slav/russian/ukrainian culture. So, they trying to explain things in a wrong way.

Look at this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo6w5R6Uo8Y
Author trying to tell us that the main reason of War is the "fight over resources". This is of course total bullshit.

Russia has the biggestamount of resources in the world. It would never start a full scale war  with danger of getting into high sanction pressure (i need to remind you that for russians, and even dwarf putin it was not obvious, would the West implement strong sanctions or not) just because of "resouces".

So I will create this topic so that any people from other countries could better understand the main background, causes and goals of russian invasion to Ukraine.

If i will find some interesting thread or some cultural pattern not obvious to you, i will share it here and translate if necessary (because a huge amount of interesting staff are in russian only). Maybe it will look a little "out of context", but anyway, it's worth it.


List of good authors i recommend to you (and who are deeply in slav culture by themselves) (i will expand it soon)

The First One is: Kamil Galeev. Writting in english, a lot of interesting longreads, native tatar from Tatarstan (region in russia).

His most interesting (and important for westerner, for better understanding) threads which shows the main reason of this war:
1. War of memes: why Z-war won't end with peace (johhnyUA: I consider this thread as the most important in understanding about current war and russian goals. Under "russian goals" i mean not only Kremlin or just Kremlin. I mean the whole imperialistic russian nation)

"Russia aims to extirpating Ukrainian culture"

2. What's happening in Russia? (johhnyUA: thread about sentiment in russian society about war in Ukraine. As author says "To put it simply, it's going full fascist")

3. Why East Ukraine fights so hard?

4. How popular is Z-war in Russia?

4. The place of Chechnya within the Russian regime (johhnyUA: this is also ultra interesting thread)
"Russia is extremely centralised  which makes it fragile. It needs an informal and largely independent face to make the regime more robust. That's why Kadyrov is the last line of Putin's defence"

And some useful threads about russian military (johhnyUA: aspects which were totally ignored by western experts):

1) Russian armz and russian goals (johhnyUA: because of low morale troops it's artillery based with a lot of useless and harful staff)
"Every time Putin needed to confirm his alpha status he would devastate some little country with a Special Operation. They didn't require proper preparation because they bore no existential risk to Russia or to him. Like, the fuck they're gonna do? No risk = no need to bother"

2) Why russian army is so bad (a little more about reasons why Kremlin don't want to create high morale army with famous generals).
"Let's go a bit deeper in history. When Bolsheviks took power in 1917 they were constantly comparing themselves with English and French revolutionaries. As they new well, both English and French revolutions ended with military usurpations done by victorious revolutionary generals.... That probably explains why the victorious Red Army had so many commanders killed under mysterious circumstances. According to official narrative - by the enemy fire, but suspectedly - by assassins shooting at their back from the close range. Like Schors"

3) Why Russian army is so weak?
"Notwithstanding with its warlike image, boosted by massive PR campaign, Russian military have nearly zero experience of fighting conventional wars against other regular armies. They were quite successful in suppressing civilian riots ofc, in Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968, etc"
"That's their mode of thinking. Killing Nemtsov is a special operation. Invasion of Ukraine is a special operation. Sounds dumb isn't it? Actually it makes sense. Russian regime is regime of cosplayers: state security agents who pretend to be soldiers and desire the military glory. State security playing soldiers launched a Special Operation and accidentally got into a real war. They're scared."

4) World War Z and Russian minorities

"Russian minorities are wildly overrepresented on Ukrainian battlefields as cannon fodder. In return for their blood they are awarded with forced assimilation and loss autonomy. Many question their support of Z"

5) Why Russia is losing this war?

"The failure of many analysts to correctly predict the course of Z-war resulted from three factors. First, they greatly overestimated (or rather misunderstood) the Russian-Soviet army. Second, they underestimated the Ukrainian one. Third, they ignored the Russian political goals"



The Second One: Sergej Sumlenny. Also writting in english so it will be easy to read him

Interesting threads:
1. How russia prepared it's own people for a big war through weird literature

"Let's start a long thread about how Russian book market prepared Russians for a full-scale war against Ukraine, NATO, the West, and promoted stalinism and nazism, and how this was ignored by the West. Keep seat belts fasten, you will see a lot of nasty things here."





Local rule: Topic is self moderated. Well known trolls or insane guys who are not allowed to write here: BADecker, be.open.
This list can be extended in the future.
363  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 17, 2022, 07:07:40 PM
Despite your objection, some experts are of the opinion about the "War of the West to the last Ukrainian" not only in Russia, but also in the United States and China, so this statement is not correct to call a "Russian propaganda take".

Sorry, nest time will call this "idiot take". Because it doesn't matter who tells this, he is total idiot, trying to show people who are fighting for the right to live and not be bombed as brainless dolls who is doing what "big white man" tells them to do.

This is the answer to all other your quotes from "useful idiots"

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While Russia is the second army of the world and, according to Ukraine and many other European countries, Russia is an extremely warlike country, nevertheless, Zelensky literally

This is the main problem of western analysis: It's overestimate russian army and very underestimate ukrainian.
"Second army in the world" would not fight for already 4 month without major success. Americans, for example, force Iraq to capitulate just in one month!

As I said last time (which you of course ignored):

1. Many military experts thought that Russia will overrun Ukraine in 72 hours and that russian army is real threat to NATO.
What in fact: It turned to be a horde of grim orcs on lightly modernized soviet cans.

And yeah, it's really interesting problem, about western analitics which mostly compared number of tanks/aircraft/rockets/mrls and so on between countries, and forget about the fact that:

1. It can be fake. Russia could (and now we know that it's fact) it's own military power.

For example, there more than 3000 tanks of T-72B3 model. But in fact, after 1 month of war, russian using T-72B and T-72A (first models in the T-72 serie) dated of 1970-1980, and even T-62 !! (here you can see echelon of T-62 in occupied Melitopol). It would like NATO would use M-60 in some conflict.

So, if Russia would really has 3000 T-72B3 why would it use all this old models of tanks? Maybe because this 3000 tanks exists only on paper?

2. People fighting, not tech. Russian army has a low moral, in the same time ukranian army has ultra high moral. And western analytics just ignore this point.

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words about the Minsk agreement and provoked Moscow’s retaliatory aggression in every possible way.

"Provoke", nice. This is problem not in Ukraine or Zelensky, rather in Moscow if it get provoked by biz in another independent country. Let us bring this into micro level: Do you think that it's normal to be provoked by biz of your neighbor which is doesn't affect you? Language, laws and so on it's internal biz of Ukraine, not Moscow.

Zelensky insisted that Ukraine be accepted into NATO, and on February 19, 2022 ///
that Ukraine would revise the Budapest Memorandum on the Nonproliferation of Nuclear Weapons. This was probably the last straw of patience in the Kremlin

You lie again. It's obvious and very known fact that Russia started to prepare an invasion much earlier 19th of February. In fact, as russian propagandists say, the first timeline for attack were at spring 2021th . It was the first time russia concentrated a lot of army on ukraines border. But for some reason full invasion didn't happen.

Judge for yourself what is the fate of nuclear weapons in a state where there are recognized neo-Nazis from the Azov Battalion

lool. Russia has a lot of neo nazi. For example, Dmitry Rogozin, who trying to tell us that ukrainians are "fake nation" and it need to be finished (Hitler takes):


Or for example, Egor Kholmogorov, russian propagandsit and neo nazi.
Or, for example, Rusich battalion, which fights in Ukraine. They're all neo nazi:




This is their leader: Milchakov


In his youth, he beheaded a puppy (just because he is the bloodthirsty moron)

So, russia should be denuclearized?



All other of your "takes" are just repeated russian propaganda and manipulated facts. The same as it was with your quotes of Edward Luttwak

Besides, this is typical propaganda move:
Die Welt - June 5, 2022
Edward Luttwak
"The curious and strange thing about Russia is that even if it didn't have nuclear weapons, it would be impossible to achieve a Ukrainian victory in the sense that the Russians would be forced to withdraw completely, maybe even from Crimea".


Edward Luttwak is telling that this is unlikely that Ukraine will free Crimea. And kremling puppet Veleor trying to show it as an example for statement "Ukraine is unlikely to get victory". Trying to use verbaly similar thesis to prove his statement.
Far example: I'm telling "Oh, i can't jump up to the Moon" , Veleor: "Johhny tells us that he can't jump"

Ha ha Edward Luttwak, by himself, told pretty the sama things as me here:



And this fact tells us that such users as Veleor are close enough to russian propaganda machine (or useful idiot)



Veleor, are you good paid from all of this?
364  Local / Трейдеры / Re: Последний вагон на север on: June 17, 2022, 06:07:46 PM
Нормально так яблоню потрясли. Время собирать плоды и растить новое дерево  Wink

Скай, у тебя случилось замыкание в трендах  Grin "Только вверх, только вверх, вот вот ребята, скоро вверх"

Мне в ЛС два человека, со старичков форума (тут они ничего уже не пишут) еще на 38к говорили, что дальше только в низ, и цитата одного товарища "двойная вершина только усугубит длительность и глубину медвежки" и следом "дно будет намного ниже 30к"
Напомню, тогда было 38-39. Хорошо что я вышел половиной  Cheesy

Немного откупил назад на 22к, но уже жалею, стоило не рыпаться и взять по 20 (хоть есть шанс увидеть еще ниже). Зато теперь как бы и в кармане звенит, и биток есть  Smiley
365  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 17, 2022, 06:00:02 PM
Another russian "самотоп" (selfdrown can) was hit by ukrainian ASM "Harpoon"




https://mobile.twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1537695986075717633

And here russian propganda, "before" / "after"  Grin


before (in short): "harpoon missiles will be destroyed by our brave aircraft or cruise missiles"
after: "We are fighting with well equiped and good trained enemy"

Where your "brave aircraft" and "cruise missiles" dissapeared?  Grin

366  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 16, 2022, 09:59:18 PM
Anglosaxons will defend their property in Ukraine down to the last Ukrainian

This is interesting (i mean anthropological interest) russian propaganda take: west will fight against russia till last ukrainian.
Why it's interesting? Mostly because it shows ukrainians as some kind of brainless animals - 1
And second, more important point is that russians bombing ukrainian cities, killing ukrainian people, raping ukrainian women, stealing ukrainian goods. And then they like "oh, why ukrainians fighting??? Because The West tell them to do so"

True story, yeah.

Yugoslavia

Yugoslavia doesn't exist. You have lost in the time, dude.

367  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why USA Should Supply more Offensive Weapons to Ukraine on: June 16, 2022, 09:54:46 PM
He's even worse. You must be new here so I'll explain in a few words.
This guy is insane. I mean literally nuts. He constantly posts some absolute nonsense taken from shady websites mixed with conspiracy theories and qanon bs. You'll never have a dialogue with him so Id suggest to avoid at all costs.

True true.
After he told me that Ukraine is attacking russian cities from 2014, I've come to the same conclusion as you and just add this dude to my ignore list.
368  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 13, 2022, 02:23:48 PM
Well, because US is the one supporting this war

*supporting Ukraine.
You can't support or not support a fight if one of fighters want to attack another. The war can end any minute, when gnome putin will order to his orcs to leave Ukraine territory.

(like literally, UA would fold financially and militarily without US in a week)
.

In 15 minutes *sarcasm*
Ukraine would fold if it's enemy (russia) would know hot to do wars and had army not madmax-style horde of orcs. 
369  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 12, 2022, 10:23:43 PM
What interesting I've found, look here



What about this article? It's guide to russian "volunteers" (mercenaries) how to do in Ukraine. Interesting points is about relations with civilians. Translation (in short, from the second paragraph):

"Relationships with civilians

You can never trust to what say civilians. They could lie to you because they hate you and scary of you.

Do not talk about your plans near civilians. All civilians understand russian.

Do not allow civilians to be near your regiment

Do not allow passage of civilian transport through your regiment. Often, enemy uses civilian closes and cars to cover himself. If you can't shot directly to the car, shoot at wheels."


Interesting guide, really? So, what does it tells to us? That civilian are enemies to russian and ldpr soldiers and you can shot their cars and transport if you think that they are danger to you.

Good "liberators"
370  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 12, 2022, 10:00:50 PM
just make sure such "considerations" won't apply to NATO

Why so? You're NATO agent or what? Why you against the same treatment for NATO as for others?

In the case of mercenaries, I've got no problem with them getting the death penalty for nothing more than getting caught in-country if that's what a civilian court wants to do.  Local militias capturing them and applying whatever justice they are inclined to would be even more satisfying.  SF personnel from third-party nations and spies, same.  Those who cannot stand the heat should stay out of the kitchen.

As i said above, any russian soldier can be considered as merc, since russia didn't declare a war to Ukraine.
371  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 11, 2022, 08:37:08 PM
It's easy: If the main criteria for you is "to be paid" it's easy to say that every russian soldier is a mercenary in terms of international law. russia didn't declare a war to Ukraine, only some kind of "special operation",  so all it's soldiers on ukraine territory it's a mercenaries. Without a proper (in terms of russian law) procedure they are going to another country to fight because of the fat they get paid for it.
Bla bla bla

So, as i see, you don't mind and agree with the idea that of russia didn't proclaime a war to Ukraine we can consider russian soldiers as mercs and can sentence them to death? Ok. Fair deal i think. If russians will shot this guys we should do the same with russian mercenaries.
372  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 11, 2022, 03:43:11 PM
Besides, this is typical propaganda move:
Die Welt - June 5, 2022
Edward Luttwak
"The curious and strange thing about Russia is that even if it didn't have nuclear weapons, it would be impossible to achieve a Ukrainian victory in the sense that the Russians would be forced to withdraw completely, maybe even from Crimea".


Edward Luttwak is telling that this is unlikely that Ukraine will free Crimea. And kremling puppet Veleor trying to show it as an example for statement "Ukraine is unlikely to get victory". Trying to use verbaly similar thesis to prove his statement.
Far example: I'm telling "Oh, i can't jump up to the Moon" , Veleor: "Johhny tells us that he can't jump"

Ha ha Edward Luttwak, by himself, told pretty the sama things as me here:



And this fact tells us that such users as Veleor are close enough to russian propaganda machine (or useful idiot)

373  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 11, 2022, 07:51:04 AM
Following that logic Aiden Aslin wasn't a mecenary in Syria as well if he also signed some form there?

It's easy: If the main criteria for you is "to be paid" it's easy to say that every russian soldier is a mercenary in terms of international law. russia didn't declare a war to Ukraine, only some kind of "special operation",  so all it's soldiers on ukraine territory it's a mercenaries. Without a proper (in terms of russian law) procedure they are going to another country to fight because of the fat they get paid for it.

So, DaRude trying to tell us that if Ukraine will sentence to death russian soldiers it will be good. Understood

Again, about "denazificators":

Translation: "I don't believe in anything, I'm here to do violence"

Patch of the dead Wagner merc. At least this one will not be able "to do violence" anymore.

374  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slots is More Likely to Cause Gambling Problem on: June 10, 2022, 09:59:26 PM
According to research on online gambling behavior by GamblingAware,  slot gaming is more likely to cause problem gambling than sports betting and is heavily skewed towards the most deprived area.[1]

Yep, we need more researches about obvious things. I thought is a well known truth, that more simple gambling games a far superior to more complicated in terms of addiction

A question to slots players out there, have you ever felt the uncontrollable urge to gamble after exposing yourself to slots games for a long period of time?  How did you manage to keep sane after being exposed to the most addictive gambling game in the industry?

This the same as with heroine: "You don't wake up one morning and decide to be a drug addict. It takes at least three months" (c) William S. Burroughs
375  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: taking out a loan for a sports bet on: June 10, 2022, 09:58:47 PM
recently I've come across some information for an upcoming soccer match and I'd like to place a big bet of 50-100k, how easy would it be for me to take out a loan and how long would it take? has anyone else done something like this?

Oh, i missed a lot since i was out this forum. Such brilliant treads, for example  Grin

OP, the worst idea is to take a loan for the things which you're not sure about their outcome and which you can't controll directly. Biz is different story, because in biz you're the main creator of success
376  Economy / Gambling / Re: 1XBIT.COM ᐉ 7 BTC WB ᐉ Altcoin Betting ᐉ no KYC ᕗ Instant payouts on: June 10, 2022, 09:54:39 PM
So far, it does seems that this marketing is working for them. That's the reason they are still running their signature campaign and they feel no harm in spending their money here as they might be getting the desired targets.
When there is so much awareness in this forum that 1xbit is scam site, then still why people continue to gamble there  Huh

They may be getting the desired result from the signature campaign now,

Man, i doubt about that. Their main advertising result if from youtube and porn site ads, not on this forum.
I think they are still here for the more malicious goal, if you know what i mean (washing money through sig campaign). And yeah, i think they're getting their target.

377  Economy / Gambling / Re: Stake and primedice are the worst gambling sites on: June 10, 2022, 09:51:27 PM
Personally, i never tried Stake.com by myself, but i tried primedice and it was pretty good, with provably fair function.

The main problem that there only one game - dice (haha, on primedice there is only dice), but if you're fun of this, it will fit you. And i doubt that this sites are not fair enough. OP kind of weird.
378  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions). on: June 10, 2022, 09:43:28 PM
And pretty much everything the Israelis have is available to Russia and China if the price is right,

Because israelis are "greedy filthy half-humans"? But i had no doubt that every pro-russian scum is also antisemitic garbage.

Your words not mine, and no I don't believe that.

This logical result from your words and your silly friend. Let me explain: not only israelis has american weapon. Germany, Japan, Canada and all others. Any NATO country. But for some reasons (antisemitism) you're attributing attention especially to jews.

Indeed, my primary beef against 'the Jews' so-to-speak is a fundamental belief that they are 'chosen'.

Another antisemitic take.

That's the main problem: since your trying to accuse ukrainians in some "nazism" but in fact, the main nazi here is you. I've already heard from you two nazi takes in one post (!). You need to be denazified  Grin



Ok, i'm ending to shitpost here. My next post will be about my coolstory
379  Local / Бayнти и aиpдpoпы / Re: Аирдропы на coinmarketcap on: June 10, 2022, 09:38:01 PM
Давно перестал собирать это все: с засильем ботвы абсолютно не имеет смысл тратить свое время, так как отхватить ничего не удастся так точно, а время потратишь.

И коинмаркеткап не собирается с этим ничего делать, всех все и так устраивает.
380  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions). on: June 10, 2022, 08:52:37 PM
And pretty much everything the Israelis have is available to Russia and China if the price is right,

Because israelis are "greedy filthy half-humans"? But i had no doubt that every pro-russian scum is also antisemitic garbage.

Israel don't sell any weaponry to anyone if USA forbit this to do. Period. I know this because I'm in fact ukrainian jew and i know about Israel much more than you  Wink

The only channel of technology for russia is China, but here I also doubt. China would not risk (at least for now) to give microelectronic to such sanctioned country. Or price will be like x10-x100 from market. With x100 price you can't build a lot of rockets and missiles tho.
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