USA Today, really liberal rag.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/01/29/roger-stone-not-guilty-plea-donald-trump-russian-collusion-bail-column/2710177002/

Stone was hauled in to federal court Friday morning after a theatrical, televised arrest that should be the subject of a Justice Department investigation or congressional inquiry. Why the excessive threat of force? Though CNN denies it, many still wonder whether the network was tipped off. The extreme intimidation tactic might have been intended to send a message, but it only tended to confirm the biases of those who see special counsel Robert Mueller's entire effort as a rogue operation.

The “process crimes” Stone is charged with, such as lying and witness tampering, are potentially serious. But he was not charged with facilitating Trump campaign collusion with Russian hackers, and the indictment itself gives little reason to believe there ever were any.

It was certainly not a crime for the Trump campaign to be interested in what WikiLeaks had on Hillary Clinton or other Democrats. WikiLeaks had established itself as a reliable — though notorious — source for purloined information. Weeks before WikiLeaks published the emails, Democrats had made public that their computer systems had been hacked, allegedly by Russian operatives, though WikiLeaks has denied that Moscow was its source.

Regardless of where the emails came from, once WikiLeaks began to publish them, everyone in America wanted to know what was in them, no doubt especially the Trump team. Roger Stone was simply conducting his version of opposition research, albeit ineptly. And the indictment notes that Stone was “claiming both publicly and privately” to be in contact with WikiLeaks during the 2016 campaign, so if he were trying to keep his activities a secret he was doing a poor job.

What this story indicates is that the Trump campaign didn't have close ties to WikiLeaks, and no knowledge about what was in the emails, which presumably it would have if there were collusion afoot. And though investigations have found 100 contacts between members of the Trump circle and a variety of Russians during the 2016 campaign, none of the reported communications offers clear evidence of election tampering, quid pro quos, prior knowledge of dirty tricks, or anything else that would confirm the collusion narrative.

The collusion story was a speculative proposition from the start. It apparently originated with former CIA Director John Brennan, who testified to Congress about his concerns that Russian agents might try to suborn members of the Trump team during the 2016 campaign, based on tips from foreign intelligence services. But rather than warning a major-party presidential candidate that he was a target of a foreign influence operation — which you would expect from a supposedly nonpartisan career intelligence official — Brennan established an interagency task force that targeted Trump’s circle. And while Brennan has more recently called President Donald Trump’s denial of collusion “hogwash,” he still cannot produce evidence to support the charge. If the Trump administration would declassify documents related to the activities of Brennan’s group during the campaign, the public might gain more insight into who was colluding against whom.

First, I thought this thread was another Trump bashing thing so didn't read it but now I have and you have a serious point.

Yes it would help his "image and presentation."

But he's campaigned against many who were all image and all presentation and beat them all.

The majority of immigrants of the type we are discussing come over the southern border and have never had a passport in their life. The are recently some refugees, such as from Syria, who also do not have passports, or even identity cards.

I tried to post this but seem to have messed up a prior post.

Anyway the idea was to use stainless steel with water cooling the skin for the heat of re entry. But using numbers for the Space Shuttle, that would take the better part of 2000 kilotons of water.

Double that for a return from Mars or the Moon.

I hear there was just happening the "World Economic Forum" in DAVOS with 1900 private jets.

How about we direct a couple hundred thousand barefoot wanderers there?

Would there be borders to prevent them getting there?

Would there be locks on all the nice hotel rooms?

But every day, hundreds of thousands more wake up to the deliberate lies of the media and the powers behind the "Left."

And this has turned out that way. Be gracious, give them a chance to repent.

I'm good with calling the kid a hero because he stood up to at least 3 factions (A) Nutcase Indian (B) Nutcase Black Israeli wannabes (C) media ...

... with a smile on his face.

Right, But Flying_H is not alone, rather there are millions who think exactly this way. Who knows or cares how many.

It's exactly this type of thinking that's problematic.

It's a hateful rhetoric, generated and orchestrated by Hate_Central_Command, strictly for political purposes. Think in terms of Soros operations.

Offhand I imagine those troops would prefer a president that arranges for them to go home, rather than one that visits them in the war zone.

I'm going ahead and posting it here BEFORE Flying_H deletes it in the other thread.

Quote from: Flying Hellfish on December 18, 2018, 11:47:22 AM
Bye Bye Trump foundation!

Trump foundation agrees to shut down in response to a civil suit from NY AG!!!  Of particular note the suit continues and is seeking millions in damages along with blocking The crooked pussy grabber and his 3 retarded adult off spring from serving on any non profit board again!

Civil suits are not tied to criminal investigations.  What a crooked piece of shit, using charity money for himself.

“Our petition detailed a shocking pattern of illegality involving the Trump Foundation — including unlawful coordination with the Trump presidential campaign, repeated and willful self-dealing, and much more,” Underwood said in a statement. “This amounted to the Trump Foundation functioning as little more than a checkbook to serve Mr. Trump’s business and political interests.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/donald-trump-foundation-shut-down_us_5c191a2ee4b02d2cae8da4bb

Trump's life:  Deny, deny, deny, deny, deny, deny, FOLD and claim victory.

Only the most simple of Trumpians can still deny the POTUS is a life long criminal.

Tipping point is incoming, the big blue investigatory orgy hasn't even started yet.

Trump is about to fold on his ownage of the Trump shutdown!  What kind of a retard owns a shutdown days before the holidays, he can't even get a rounding error amount of funding for his wall hehe!
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Trump's NSA, General Flynn is in court and the judge asked the SCO if they could have charged Flynn with Treason, the judge told Flynn he arguably sold out his country.  Trump sure know's how to pick the stupidest criminals to fill his orbit!
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My response...
This post and others of yours is indicative of the problem, not the solution. It's a childish vindictiveness and mob groupthink.

You haven't heard?

America is now a net energy exporter.

And as for the media in the US, they are genuinely ignoring Venezuela because it doesn't fit with their concept of socialism working so wonderfully.

Hey, nothing wrong with some beer money!

Lose? I'd like to see the arguments that would cause the Supreme Court of any country to rule that a border wall could not be built on that country's border.

By the way, with me and pretty much all those I know, the issues about Hillary are not about Hillary per se being under prosecuted, or Trump's associates being overprotected, but how this is indicative of attitudes and actions of our leaders.

In other words, what can we learn of what really goes on in DC from these events?

We know that much of it is not aligned with the desires of the people of the country.

Back on the subject of Hillary, no, there were NEVER fishing expeditions with either her or her husband's antics. None. Because it's all right out in the open, there's no reason at all to deny this or make excuses about it. All of the vindictive, presumptive slander directed at Trump is quite unprecedented.

At the same time, you have a number of changes in the very nature of the Democratic Party. It's virtually unrecognizable to that of ten years ago.

Have you ever considered writing for one of the fake news operations?

Let me add to my prior comment.

My friends in China are quick to tell you they are a communist country.

NOT proudly.

It's more like "our country is Communist and we must do as we are told regarding a number of matters."

Sure, I can answer your question about why bueorcrats would decline to prosecute high officials. Although the answer should be obvious. In many countries, the law of the land explicitly does not apply to those of high office. In many others, the law of the land is never applied to them because their very power makes nobody dare do so.

I don't need your long winded explanations and rationalizations for Hillary because I've held security clearances, and I know exactly what would have happened to me if I had done a small fraction of what she has done.

As for your comment about equal investigative monies, how about focusing on the crime, not the individual? I don't know of any time when "Hillary was investigated." It was and should be "the investigation of the Hillary emails," or you pick the subject. If on the contrary you want to "Investigate PERSON XYZ" well, I've read we all commit an average of three felonies a day...

This situation has gone far beyond anything that can be viewed in simple political "us vs them" or "capitalist vs socialist" rhetoric. Few socialist nations have every shown this level of incompetence.

It shows the lack of ability of the current leaders in running a country. Unfortunately, in a controlled economy that does mean mass starvation.

I hope there are ways people in the USA can help and I hope that this situation resolves itself.

I agree with you but not in the way you'd like.

Once this issue became an embarrassing fiasco, intelligent liberals fled from it. There's always a shiny new penny of an anti-Conservative anti-Trump story to pick up from the gutter, right?

So let's keep moving.

We don't need to discuss all that "old stuff."

Hillary's lies...server....Bengazi.....Covington...

Keep moving, nothing to see here...

Why not?