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3681  Economy / Speculation / Re: Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids! on: June 30, 2021, 09:17:23 AM
This is a healthy makeup we got in this here forum, that's for sure. I'm beginning now to use proudhon and sgbett's predictions as my worst-case scenario settings -- and actually am not too unhappy with that (with perhaps the difference being I'm only using the 2021 timeframe as I'd really like to diverge farther in '22).

And that's credit to you OP;) When did you say 19/12k again?


Roll Eyes

They’re trolling, and they probably regret selling every Bitcoin they had below 2017’s ATH, or maybe 2014? Hahaha. They WISH Bitcoin will crash down to $12,000. But that’s all it will be. A WISH. They should accept and live with the fact that they are stuck HODLing a-fork-of-a-forked-shitcoin-that-will-NEVER-be-Bitcoin.
3682  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: China might really be out of Bitcoin and the cryptospace on: June 30, 2021, 09:03:47 AM
Bitcoin doesn't need China... China on the other hand does need bitcoin (as does the rest of the world) and will realize in time that this move to drive out crypto from the country is a mistake.


What is strange in this situation is, why is China removing itself from the Bitcoin mining industry? They are essentially giving up control of an entire INDUSTRY where they truly had a competitive advantage. They definitely will realize that it was a mistake commited by their technocrats.
3683  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: On Paul Sztorc’s BIP-300 proposal on: June 30, 2021, 05:51:54 AM
I don't know much, but ill bite for now.

* Shrink the layer1 blocksize

Do you have any plausible reason to reduce bitcoin on-chain block size limit?


Personally? No. But there are people smarter than me who do, or maybe they believe they do believe there’s a plausible reason. LukeDashjr. He doesn’t waste his time with us plebs in the forum though.

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* Emulate any Altcoin (making Alt-marketing ~impossible)

Why would people who already use altcoin (such as zCash and Monero) moving back to Bitcoin sidechain, especially when their coin have lots of user and the sidechain barely have any user?


Maybe Bitcoiners will use them for the features. Why did some Bitcoiners become shitcoiners? Do you know the history of Ethereum, and how Vitalik announced the project in a room full of Bitcoiners in a conference, and they followed him to the next room to become Ethereum maximalists?

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* Scale BTC worldwide
* Painlessly activate new soft forks or even hard forks

By moving the problem to sidechain.


Or the Lightning Network.

Are you for bigger blocks?
3684  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: The Lightning Network FAQ on: June 30, 2021, 05:35:58 AM
An IOU is an “I Owe yUo”, it’s an INFORMAL document acknowledging DEBT to a counterparty. There’s nothing like that in the Lightning Network. They are signed transactions that have not been broadcasted in the Bitcoin network, and included in the blockchain yet. No one is sending anything worthless to the counterparty. They are actual BITCOINS.
3685  Other / Off-topic / Re: What is Craig Wrights home address? (asking for a friend) on: June 29, 2021, 11:32:30 AM
Hahaha. Is your “friend” going to do the “ol flaming paper bag” trick with a turd inside, then when Craig Wright sees it he will step on it to take the flame out, and have hot turd all over his feet? Cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkCUcV0XPyw
3686  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: what is point of Tehnical analysis? on: June 29, 2021, 11:21:47 AM
It’s usually 1% - 5% per trade.
This has nothing to do with technical analysis but with one's own trading strategy and personal risk tolerance. However, 5% is far too high even for very risk-averse traders, as the capital would be used up after 20 failed trades.

Personally, I trade with a maximum of 1%, but for such trades, many (of my) indicators must point in the same direction, which is very rare.


Nothing indeed, that’s why I replied to the other person that his reply was an over-simplification. Technical Analysis alone will not make you a successful trader. It also needs management of capital and the correct sizing for your trades depending on volatility.

Don’t get out of context, I said 1% - 5%. 5% is also indeed high but there are times you need to take on larger risks when the probability for profit is also very high, especially during bottomed markets.
3687  Economy / Economics / Re: Big test for Bitcoin during the next Economic Collapse. on: June 29, 2021, 08:56:51 AM
https://www.fxstreet.com/news/feds-williams-demand-for-us-dollar-in-paper-currency-is-growing-202106281308

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"Money market funds and treasury markets can lose liquidity in times of stress," Williams added. "Demand for the US dollar in paper currency is growing."


That’s exactly the same situation with the Weimar Republic during the 1920s, when the market demanded more Marks instead of demanding for stabilizing its purchasing power. Maybe some of you might be viewing me like I’m Chicken Little, warning that the sky is “falling down”. I hope you’re right, because it would put everything to the test including Bitcoin.
3688  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: The Lightning Network FAQ on: June 29, 2021, 08:41:41 AM
Just to make it absolutely clear, the unconfirmed transaction is only a “problem” between you and Phoenix wallet which is your custodian to use Lightning, and that Phoenix wallet itself cannot open a channel in Lightning without a confirmed transaction.

In this case, Phoenix Wallet (or more precisely ACINQ) initiates the payment from their node rather than route it from you. They expect you to pay them back once the channel between you and them has become active. How can they trust you? Well, you are using their software which was programmed to do that automatically.

Because I’m made to believe that it’s possible to open a channel WITHOUT an onchain transaction.

Under normal circumstances, it would not be possible. If you set up your own node then it's impossible for someone to open a channel to you without a valid on-chain transaction. In fact, by default, that transactions needs to have either 1 or 3 confirmations (it depends on the implementation) before the channel becomes active.

OK, thanks. Then once again it’s very clear that franky1 has been very dishonest in this instance again, calling LN a network of IOUs and he’s trying to make technical-newbies like me believe it’s a fact. He almost gaslighted me again. Hahaha.
3689  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: The Lightning Network FAQ on: June 29, 2021, 06:15:15 AM
there are LN walets out their that create channels before a bitcoin transaction is confirmed and locked
Can anyone confirm this?
I can confirm this has happened to me, but it's because channel opening in Phoenix Wallet is custodial, and since it only connects to their own node (which they trust), they're not risking anything and I can already make transactions before the on-chain transaction is confirmed.

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If it’s true, then it’s true, and we would need to review our standpoint/opinions.
It's true. But even though I didn't expect it, it makes sense, I don't think it's a terrible thing in this case.
See Opinions on Phoenix Wallet? (and later posts).

To answer TangentC's post: to the rest of the LN-network is doesn't matter that my transaction isn't confirmed yet. My channel is with a node, and that node has confirmed channels to the rest of the world. So as far as the rest of the world is concerned, they don't risk any funds by accepting my transaction.
Opening a channel in Phoenix Wallet is custodial, which means I trusted the wallet with my money already. It's a smart way of making channel opening more user friendly when on-chain fees rise.


Just to make it absolutely clear, the unconfirmed transaction is only a “problem” between you and Phoenix wallet which is your custodian to use Lightning, and that Phoenix wallet itself cannot open a channel in Lightning without a confirmed transaction. Because I’m made to believe that it’s possible to open a channel WITHOUT an onchain transaction.
3690  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: The Lightning Network FAQ on: June 28, 2021, 11:29:45 AM
But it’s NOT the same. No one signed, and issued a worthless piece of paper in Lightning, trusting the counterparty’s ability to pay. In Lightning, you literally need an onchain transaction to open/fund a channel, so you are not sending anything worthless to the counterparty.

you mention words like trust and signed.

there are LN walets out their that create channels before a bitcoin transaction is confirmed and locked
 
there are probably wallets that are using elthree where the channels 'collateral' are not bitcoin transactions


but just purely a balance authorised by a factory where users have to request that balance to be converted to a bitcoin if they ever want to truly exit LN


Can anyone confirm this? Rath_, achow, gmaxwell? If it’s true, then it’s true, and we would need to review our standpoint/opinions. BUT if it’s not true, and franky1 is caught with disinformation/gaslighting again, then what are you doing franky1?
3691  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy every dip, and HODL! on: June 28, 2021, 11:16:34 AM
I see FUD from “newbie” accounts EVERYWHERE, creating topics “concerned” about Bitcoin. Listen you Trolls, Bitcoin experienced a stress test, and it passed! Difficulty will self-adjust after a large loss in hashing power, and there was no network downtime. The FUD and uexpected “events” never “killed” the market. Life is good for Bitcoin. Save money to buy Bitcoin. If you’re already HODLing, continue HODLing. Cool
3692  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will other countries adopt Bitcoin as legal tender after El Salvador's recent mo on: June 28, 2021, 09:49:19 AM
OP, we don’t know, but if some other country is incetivized to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender, then maybe they will. BUT, does Bitcoin actually need to become officially “legal tender” to be used as a currency? I believe it was working, and chugging along before El Salvador joined the bandwagon.
Maybe the officiation of being a legal tender adds some legitimacy to the status of bitcoin as a currency and an asset. This bandwagon would probably get much bigger if El Salvador can pull off all the things that they are announcing to the world.


“Legitimacy”? Does Bitcoin really need “legitimacy”. It’s artificial, created and signed by a cabal into law. Bitcoin is an open, permissionless system. It doesn’t need “legitimacy” to be used. Anyone is welcome to use it. Bitcoin will work just as fine without El Salvador’s Legal Tender law.
3693  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: what is point of Tehnical analysis? on: June 28, 2021, 09:32:27 AM
Long story short: To find entry and exit points Smiley


That’s right, but it’s still an oversimplification. It’s also about knowing how large the volatility is to base the size of you trade, what range to place your stop-loss, and it’s also about calculating how much your capital is to decide how much to lose before the trade is made. It’s usually 1% - 5% per trade.
3694  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If Bitcoin is legal tender in your country, would you really spend it instead of on: June 26, 2021, 11:16:32 AM
OP, why should anyone spend their Bitcoin if it’s still on its path of price discovery to six digits? There’s a time for spending, and there’s a time for saving/HODLing. Although you can always do both of them, spend some, and HODL some. It’s permissionless. Cool
3695  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: what is point of Tehnical analysis? on: June 26, 2021, 10:50:15 AM
OP, Technical Analysis used alone will be just 1/3 of what you should be doing in my opinion. The other two parts are the sizing/adjustment of your trades based on volatility, and management/adjustment of your capital depending on profit, or loss. But as plebs, we can simplify everything by buying the dip, and HODL.
3696  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will other countries adopt Bitcoin as legal tender after El Salvador's recent mo on: June 26, 2021, 07:42:32 AM
OP, we don’t know, but if some other country is incetivized to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender, then maybe they will. BUT, does Bitcoin actually need to become officially “legal tender” to be used as a currency? I believe it was working, and chugging along before El Salvador joined the bandwagon.
3697  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: The Lightning Network FAQ on: June 26, 2021, 07:29:00 AM

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as for the others debating the concept of IOU
its very simple.
a HTLC is not a bitcoin broadcastable tx.
the denominations will not be understood by bitcoin.
when travelling through routes its not measured in satoshis.

also
if i wrote you a raw tx that was broadcastable. i signed it.. but.. i have yet to broadcast it and thus its not a confirmed transaction on the blockchain.. can you claim the funds are yours now free and clear settled. or that you are possibly waiting and hoping for funds you now think i owe you..
the answer is. your still stuck at the IOU stage until its actually confirmed on the blockchain.


If Lightning transactions are made up of IOU’s, then what entity issued those IOUs? Or is it actually NOT the same as the IOUs in the real world that the issuer can NOT pay the holder of said IOU? Because, you are NOT sending anything worthless in Lightning. They are actually SIGNED TRANSACTIONS that have not been included in the blockchain yet.

when you are at a bar. and to do a favour for a friend.. you and the friend agree on an IOU.
however its an IOU and remains an IOU until its actually 'paid up' and settled..


But it’s NOT the same. No one signed, and issued a worthless piece of paper in Lightning, trusting the counterparty’s ability to pay. In Lightning, you literally need an onchain transaction to open/fund a channel, so you are not sending anything worthless to the counterparty.
3698  Economy / Economics / Re: Crypto Central Banks on: June 25, 2021, 11:25:41 AM
Hello

My short things aboute Crypto Central Banks

Many bitcoin maximalists live in the fantasies of an idealistic theory of bitcoin as a world currency.
But apparently from the lack of education and less understanding of the general structure of the economy, they do not notice how other crypto-currencies become real world digital currencies, and not just means of accumulation and speculation. And it's not just about the technology of long and expensive BTC transactions, the lack of smart contracts, etc.


Because it’s just in the early process of adoption. Wait for El Salvador. It’s a country plugging in in a free and open system as an alternative to Central Banking.

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ETH and BNB are, unlike BTC, realy already used to pay for goods and services, and not only for goods and services in DeFi and NFT, but also in the real world.
And this happens due to the presence in them of the monetary policy inherent in the fiat currencies of the real world, which makes them convenient in terms of the speed of operations, commissions, accrued interest on the deposit ...


Good for them. Bitcoin is still more secure, and more valuable than them.

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Establishing a Crypto Central Banks in the person of CZ or Vitalik (sometimes taking from account the DAO vote, but sometimes despite the misconceptions of mass miners), the price of the commission for the operation, the block speed (by updating the code in the ETH or, for example, limiting the 21 nodes in BNB), this is a standard function of managing economic processes.


If you accept that they are centralized and OK with being centralized, then OK. Bitcoin’s main value proposition is censorship-resistance, therefore security/decentralization must be overshot.

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The burning or add printing of coins is also a standard function of managing the money supply, and the % rate for staking is practically the same as the refinancing rate of the classical Central Bank, which stimulates the increase in staking deposits during the period of growth of the % staking rate, or vice when % less is stimulates  investing coins in the "means of production" of other projects, for example, on the Binance Launchpad.


The presence of such basic mechanisms for managing monetary policy as an increase or decrease in the money supply and the refinancing (staking) rate, in conjunction with other less popular mechanisms, in the real TOP currencies of crypto-economy, once again confirms the fallacy of the idealistic theory about Bitcoin as a single world currency (which is practically does not take part in the mechanisms of mass payment for goods / services), and retains the value of Bitcoin only as crypto-gold.


Good for them if they want a cabal, like the Federal Reserve, to decide the supply increase, or decrease. In Bitcoin, it’s in the protocol.
3699  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: The Lightning Network FAQ on: June 25, 2021, 09:49:34 AM

..
as for the others debating the concept of IOU
its very simple.
a HTLC is not a bitcoin broadcastable tx.
the denominations will not be understood by bitcoin.
when travelling through routes its not measured in satoshis.

also
if i wrote you a raw tx that was broadcastable. i signed it.. but.. i have yet to broadcast it and thus its not a confirmed transaction on the blockchain.. can you claim the funds are yours now free and clear settled. or that you are possibly waiting and hoping for funds you now think i owe you..
the answer is. your still stuck at the IOU stage until its actually confirmed on the blockchain.


If Lightning transactions are made up of IOU’s, then what entity issued those IOUs? Or is it actually NOT the same as the IOUs in the real world that the issuer can NOT pay the holder of said IOU? Because, you are NOT sending anything worthless in Lightning. They are actually SIGNED TRANSACTIONS that have not been included in the blockchain yet.
3700  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy every dip, and HODL! on: June 25, 2021, 08:31:07 AM
Uh yea, well, have you bought btc while it was got dump to $29,000 , OP? or are you still waiting the bigger dip then buy?

Five years from now newbies will say YOU are only lucky because you bought Bitcoin under $100,000.

I really like this part. Imagine your friends or your family saying this to you later  Cool


No, not enough dry powder, but I’m saving again, which I should have done when it was surging. I actually thought that Bitcoin was on its way to 6 digits without stopping and I was enjoying just HODLing.

Uh yea, well, have you bought btc while it was got dump to $29,000 , OP? or are you still waiting the bigger dip then buy?
To be fair people don't have to buy "every" dip and I dare say they can't. How much "extra money" do people have anyways? Keep in mind that most people don't day-trade so they don't always have the cash.
Usually you'll take advantage of a couple of big dips and make your purchase before running out of money to put into bitcoin and should be happy about it even if "better" opportunities appear afterwards. With that said anything from $30k to $40k is THE dip to buy in.


Get the context, and when the topic was made. It was during 2019 during the absolute of lows, but everyone else believed it could crash lower, scared to buy EVERY dip that time.
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