Buy the DIP, and HODL!

[BITCOIN4X]

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Never answer when you didn't actually read everything that was being discussed in the thread just because you read the title. I think you need to read more before you answer and explain your opinion. Bitcoin is bitcoin, so don't generalize everything with other type of altcoin because in reality bitcoin is much safer as a long term investment asset that you may not get from altcoin.

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[DatKing]

This is really my motto. I care about not missing any of the dip levels. And I think that it is really important for a HODLer. In the long run, I know that I will make a really good profit. I just need to keep being patient.

[JayJuanGee]

This is really my motto. I care about not missing any of the dip levels. And I think that it is really important for a HODLer. In the long run, I know that I will make a really good profit. I just need to keep being patient.

Devil is in the details DatKing, no?

It takes quite a bit of having a plan to be able to feel comfortable with your buy points on a 53% dip?

A lot of guys likely had bought most if not a lot of the dip into the lower $50ks and then maybe some got lucky and bought down into the $40ks, but probably a lot of dip buyers ran out of money early.. and then may have felt a bit bad in terms of whether they had bought enough of the dip or felt comfortable that they would have money to buy the dip if it continued to happend below $30k.. which so far we have not quite gotten below $30k - even though there are questions about whether the BTC price might dip below $30k.

What did you do?  Are you prepared if the BTC price dips more, such as below $30k?

[Lorence.xD]

This is really my motto. I care about not missing any of the dip levels. And I think that it is really important for a HODLer. In the long run, I know that I will make a really good profit. I just need to keep being patient.

That's like the standard for a hodler in the first place, they should be able to hodl bitcoin for a really long time. Getting in the dips is just a bonus for long-term hodlers to accumulate at a really low price.

[JayJuanGee]

This is really my motto. I care about not missing any of the dip levels. And I think that it is really important for a HODLer. In the long run, I know that I will make a really good profit. I just need to keep being patient.

That's like the standard for a hodler in the first place, they should be able to hodl bitcoin for a really long time. Getting in the dips is just a bonus for long-term hodlers to accumulate at a really low price.

Part of the reason that buying the dip and DCA end up merging is that dips can end up lasting so long.. like several months, so many BTC accumulators are likely to have some kind of cashflow that they can end up plugging into their BTC investment.. and the label of "buy the dip" versus "DCA" might not really matter very much - even if there is a bit more of a strategic attempt to buy the dip and the DCA is a bit more of a blind practice of just buying when "excess" cash becomes available.

[ziyaaa]

This is really my motto. I care about not missing any of the dip levels. And I think that it is really important for a HODLer. In the long run, I know that I will make a really good profit. I just need to keep being patient.

That's like the standard for a hodler in the first place, they should be able to hodl bitcoin for a really long time. Getting in the dips is just a bonus for long-term hodlers to accumulate at a really low price.

Long-term holders should have sold Bitcoin when the price was above $50000 or $60000,
of course holders would also know when to sell it, or maybe 50% of the assets they have sold,
and that's a strategy that we should follow, if a DIP does occur. we have to do accumulation,
otherwise it is something to regret.

Yes, holding Bitcoin doesn't mean that an holder should keep doing it forever. One should be ready to take the profit from time to time. In my opinion, holders also should set some goals for themselves to act smarter. Otherwise, they'd wait for nothing.

[JayJuanGee]

This is really my motto. I care about not missing any of the dip levels. And I think that it is really important for a HODLer. In the long run, I know that I will make a really good profit. I just need to keep being patient.

That's like the standard for a hodler in the first place, they should be able to hodl bitcoin for a really long time. Getting in the dips is just a bonus for long-term hodlers to accumulate at a really low price.

Long-term holders should have sold Bitcoin when the price was above $50000 or $60000,
of course holders would also know when to sell it, or maybe 50% of the assets they have sold,
and that's a strategy that we should follow, if a DIP does occur. we have to do accumulation,
otherwise it is something to regret.

The idea of buy every dip and HODL does not include any kind of selling strategy, and personally I believe that it is NOT a good idea to be trying to sell BTC or to time the top, at least until you have reached or exceeded your BTC accumulation goals, and maybe that is what you are trying to imply when referring to what you believe "Long-term holders" should do or try to do.   

Even long term HODLers have sometimes NOT met their BTC accumulation goals, and in that regard it could be quite problematic for long term HODLers to be playing around with selling very much of their BTC stash.. of course, selling small amounts or shaving off a bit in order to feel more comfortable to be able to buy back upon a dip is not a bad thing, but it seems that any person selling small amounts has to realize that the BTC price might not come back down for them to buy back, so they need to be careful in terms of expecting it to correct and even how much they expect the BTC price to correct.

Furthermore, if a HODLer is a long term enough HODLer, for example buying his/her BTC in the $500s or something like that, then s/he might not give too many shits if s/he wants to buy something for let's say $10k, and he could have sold 0.154 BTC when the price was $64,895 or now s/he has to sell 0.2857 BTC in order to get the same $10k.  So of course, if you hold your BTC long enough, you might not get too concerned about when you sell it exactly, even if you might try to sell when the price is higher, but you are not going to get too worked up if you end up shaving off the amount at a less preferred time, such as when the BTC price is $35k.

[Wind_FURY]

For the readers of this topic, I have an off-topic question. Will Bitcoin’s trajectory continue to follow Plan B’s S2F Ratio? Or will it finally be proven to be a broken model?

I was debating against S2F before 2020’s halving, then began believing it without scrutinty after the halving because the price surged, following the model. Today, simply confused.

[JayJuanGee]

For the readers of this topic, I have an off-topic question. Will Bitcoin’s trajectory continue to follow Plan B’s S2F Ratio? Or will it finally be proven to be a broken model?

Why do you have such a habit of going off topic, here?  There are other threads for stock to flow specifically (take this one for example), and surely within those other threads, members would be more than likely to attempt to address your questions.. including that you might actually read that some variation of your questions might have already been addressed.

I was debating against S2F before 2020’s halving, then began believing it without scrutinty after the halving because the price surged, following the model. Today, simply confused.

I personally doubt that we could proclaim stock to flow to be broken.  Sure, it is currently deviating quite bit from it's trajectory, but what the fuck do you expect?

For example, let's presume that the highs of the model are not met or even close to being met, such as between $150k and $288k, and maybe even the top of this cycle ends up being "in" at $64,895..., sure there are a lot of variations in between, and I would expect that the model would thereby attempt to account for the on the ground happenings in terms of where the price goes, and either the trajectory could be shifted down or made more flat or whatever, and those tweakenings of the model would come from updated facts on the ground... and should be a big so fucking what...

None of us should be placing high odds into some price prediction model(s) that tell us about the future, when the future is not known. 

Furthermore, I am not even attempting to denigrate the stock to flow model because currently I consider that it remains amongst the best of BTC price prediction models so long as it is coupled with 4 year fractal (which is also already built into it) and exponential s-curve adoption based on Metcalfe principles and networking effects.

Anyhow, any of us buyers, accumulators and HODLers of BTC should be preparing for any BTC price direction even if we might vary in terms of how much weight to be given to various BTC price prediction models.

Regarding the buying on dip?  You have any money left to buy?  you waiting for more dip?  You prepared in case there is no more dip?  These continue to be individualistic questions and considerations.. don't blow your whole wadd on one dip.   

[JayJuanGee]

Buy every DIP only applies to altcoins with good fundamentals, for example Ethereum and Binance,
if you buy Ethereum during DIP in 2018,2019,2020 of course all your purchases will get profit this year,
because 2021 Ethereum reaches a new all time high, which means the price touches a new chapter, and a new chart story,
accumulate again this year, maybe you will be lucky again

Buying the dip is about the strength of fiat and stable coin in this market. Always have fiat at every stage in the market. It is crazy at the moment how dip some altcoins got already, some at -90% in just 2 months. It is important to know if the team is not responsible for the dump, not flooding the market with their coins.cause if they are, such coin should not be purchased at all

What the fuck are you talking about, ololajulo?  Are you trolling this thread on purpose?

You do not use the word bitcoin in one place in your post.

We are not talking about shitcoins or altcoins or stablecoins here. 

This thread is about bitcoin, so if you bring in those other variables you are changing the dynamics and changing the premise(s) of what is being discussed here.

I will grant that several of us here do seem to have some disagreements in regards to how to manage buying on dips and HODLing and even the extent to which DCA might also fit into such a buying the dip practices - but in some sense there are shared presumptions regarding these discussions regard how to accumulate BTC.. by buying on dips and HODLing (presuming in the event that you run out of money) and other possible tactics that might relate to buying on dips and HODLing..   ... though one kind of funny (and perhaps) ironic angle is that the thread starter (Wind_FURY) is reconsidering his thinking about whether to buy on "every" dip, so part of the problem that any of us can run into is to blow too much of our load too early, so we are not able to take advantage of buying on every dip, which would seem to justify to going to the second preferred choice, HODLing through the matter... no one should want to end up doing the opposite, which would be selling on the dip rather than buying on the dip.. which is one thing that could happen if there were not an attempt to emphasize HODL as the second preferred practice in the event that buying on the dip causes you to run out of money.

[JayJuanGee]

Buy every DIP only applies to altcoins with good fundamentals, for example Ethereum and Binance,
if you buy Ethereum during DIP in 2018,2019,2020 of course all your purchases will get profit this year,
because 2021 Ethereum reaches a new all time high, which means the price touches a new chapter, and a new chart story,
accumulate again this year, maybe you will be lucky again

Buying the dip is about the strength of fiat and stable coin in this market. Always have fiat at every stage in the market. It is crazy at the moment how dip some altcoins got already, some at -90% in just 2 months. It is important to know if the team is not responsible for the dump, not flooding the market with their coins.cause if they are, such coin should not be purchased at all

What the fuck are you talking about, ololajulo?  Are you trolling this thread on purpose?
You do not use the word bitcoin in one place in your post.
We are not talking about shitcoins or altcoins or stablecoins here.  
This thread is about bitcoin, so if you bring in those other variables you are changing the dynamics and changing the premise(s) of what is being discussed here.

I was replying a post talking about Ethereum, binance and other altcoins, I was not trolling or spamming the thread, he didnt use bitcoin in his post. I also feel he cant compare Ethereum or other altcoins previous dip in 2018, 2019 and 2020 to the present dip. is a different type of correction in the bull market.

Whether you were just responding to the content of another person does not really seem to take away the point.. but o.k.. sure... .

Without attempting to devolve too much into off-topicness, another thing is that it seems quite likely that there are going to be a quite a few other presumptions that must be worked out no matter which shitcoin that you might want to apply such principles of buying on dip and/or HODLing.... so I don't see why we would even want to get into those kinds of topics here in this thread.  There's gotta be some other thread to link so that you and kapalmabur can explore such nonsense shitcoin topic to your heart's content.

[Wind_FURY]

For the readers of this topic, I have an off-topic question. Will Bitcoin’s trajectory continue to follow Plan B’s S2F Ratio? Or will it finally be proven to be a broken model?

Why do you have such a habit of going off topic, here?  There are other threads for stock to flow specifically (take this one for example), and surely within those other threads, members would be more than likely to attempt to address your questions.. including that you might actually read that some variation of your questions might have already been addressed.

Because, it’s MY thread?

I was debating against S2F before 2020’s halving, then began believing it without scrutinty after the halving because the price surged, following the model. Today, simply confused.

I personally doubt that we could proclaim stock to flow to be broken.  Sure, it is currently deviating quite bit from it's trajectory, but what the fuck do you expect?

For example, let's presume that the highs of the model are not met or even close to being met, such as between $150k and $288k, and maybe even the top of this cycle ends up being "in" at $64,895..., sure there are a lot of variations in between, and I would expect that the model would thereby attempt to account for the on the ground happenings in terms of where the price goes, and either the trajectory could be shifted down or made more flat or whatever, and those tweakenings of the model would come from updated facts on the ground... and should be a big so fucking what...

None of us should be placing high odds into some price prediction model(s) that tell us about the future, when the future is not known.  

Furthermore, I am not even attempting to denigrate the stock to flow model because currently I consider that it remains amongst the best of BTC price prediction models so long as it is coupled with 4 year fractal (which is also already built into it) and exponential s-curve adoption based on Metcalfe principles and networking effects.

Anyhow, any of us buyers, accumulators and HODLers of BTC should be preparing for any BTC price direction even if we might vary in terms of how much weight to be given to various BTC price prediction models.

Regarding the buying on dip?  You have any money left to buy?  you waiting for more dip?  You prepared in case there is no more dip?  These continue to be individualistic questions and considerations.. don't blow your whole wadd on one dip.  

I have a job, and currently looking for other sources of income too for the purpose of saving more money for the next big buying opportunity. Close relatives and friends were asking if I was OK because of the crash. I told them they should start saving, this crash is another GIFT.

[JayJuanGee]

For the readers of this topic, I have an off-topic question. Will Bitcoin’s trajectory continue to follow Plan B’s S2F Ratio? Or will it finally be proven to be a broken model?

Why do you have such a habit of going off topic, here?  There are other threads for stock to flow specifically (take this one for example), and surely within those other threads, members would be more than likely to attempt to address your questions.. including that you might actually read that some variation of your questions might have already been addressed.

Because, it’s MY thread?

I could give less than a ratt's ass that it is "your" thread.

Last time that I checked "your" thread is not a self-moderated thread, which means that you need to follow the same forum policies as everyone else.  I doubt that anyone has reported you yet, but if you want to take an attitude,** then likely someone, including yours truly, might decide to go down that road.


**Note that there can be triggers when members such as yourself say things publicly (in a public thread), and once you do say things, then you expect what you said to just stand unanswered and "as is" as if it were the gospel?  Surely responses are not necessarily personal, but sometimes when a member says things publicly such member needs to consider that there may well be a response that might not be the one that you would want to have.

I was debating against S2F before 2020’s halving, then began believing it without scrutinty after the halving because the price surged, following the model. Today, simply confused.

I personally doubt that we could proclaim stock to flow to be broken.  Sure, it is currently deviating quite bit from it's trajectory, but what the fuck do you expect?

For example, let's presume that the highs of the model are not met or even close to being met, such as between $150k and $288k, and maybe even the top of this cycle ends up being "in" at $64,895..., sure there are a lot of variations in between, and I would expect that the model would thereby attempt to account for the on the ground happenings in terms of where the price goes, and either the trajectory could be shifted down or made more flat or whatever, and those tweakenings of the model would come from updated facts on the ground... and should be a big so fucking what...

None of us should be placing high odds into some price prediction model(s) that tell us about the future, when the future is not known.  

Furthermore, I am not even attempting to denigrate the stock to flow model because currently I consider that it remains amongst the best of BTC price prediction models so long as it is coupled with 4 year fractal (which is also already built into it) and exponential s-curve adoption based on Metcalfe principles and networking effects.

Anyhow, any of us buyers, accumulators and HODLers of BTC should be preparing for any BTC price direction even if we might vary in terms of how much weight to be given to various BTC price prediction models.

Regarding the buying on dip?  You have any money left to buy?  you waiting for more dip?  You prepared in case there is no more dip?  These continue to be individualistic questions and considerations.. don't blow your whole wadd on one dip.  

I have a job, and currently looking for other sources of income too for the purpose of saving more money for the next big buying opportunity. Close relatives and friends were asking if I was OK because of the crash. I told them they should start saving, this crash is another GIFT.

Of course, while we are in any kind of price dip, we can frequently fail to appreciate an opportunity that may well be in front of us, and surely we cannot know when the price dip might be over or close to being over, even if we were to have some theories about why the dip is happening or how far such dippening might go.

So, yeah if you already bought and you are still in profits your thinking might be different from if you bought and you are not currently in profits. 

There are a lot of variations, including that a lot of folks, besides you Wind_FURY blew a lot of their BTC stash at way higher prices than our current BTC price... which is bouncing around the lower $29ks as I type but had reached down to $28.6k in the past hour. and difficult to know if such dippening is done yet, or not.. Sometimes when there is considerable volume being thrown at the dippening, then that can cause others to panic sell, even if they had thought that they were NOT going to be selling.. so even then, difficult to know at what point such dippening is going to reverse...

Personally, I tend to be able to keep buying on the way down, even if dips are severe, but even with me, at some points, I start to run out of money to buy too, and thereafter I have tended to just end up HODLing at the point that I run out of money to buy more.. and maybe buying more once in a while if some more cashflow comes in... which may or may not happen, depending on how long we might be down in what seems to be relatively lower BTC price arenas.

Regarding the friends and relatives asking about your well being, that is surely understandable.  It would be a rare case that they might consider that the dip/correction is a time for them to be setting up their buy plans (and making sure that they have accounts so that they are actually able to buy), so they may well be having some troubles relating to how to deal with BTC price dippening situations.. and surely the dips can look severe in the charts, and likely exacerbated by the severity of the negative news (that may well be exaggerating what is actually going on.. we have surely seen exaggerations happen many times in BTClandia history).

[Wind_FURY]

Regarding the friends and relatives asking about your well being, that is surely understandable.  It would be a rare case that they might consider that the dip/correction is a time for them to be setting up their buy plans (and making sure that they have accounts so that they are actually able to buy), so they may well be having some troubles relating to how to deal with BTC price dippening situations.. and surely the dips can look severe in the charts, and likely exacerbated by the severity of the negative news (that may well be exaggerating what is actually going on.. we have surely seen exaggerations happen many times in BTClandia history).

Very very understandable. I believe they thought that I might have sold in panic, OR maybe they thought I’m losing all. They never realized that buying under $10,000 was an important buying opportunity because it might truly never see under $10,000 again.

When I told them to get ready for another golden opportunity,



Because I don’t know when it goes up. I’m a pleb. Hahaha.

[JayJuanGee]

Regarding the friends and relatives asking about your well being, that is surely understandable.  It would be a rare case that they might consider that the dip/correction is a time for them to be setting up their buy plans (and making sure that they have accounts so that they are actually able to buy), so they may well be having some troubles relating to how to deal with BTC price dippening situations.. and surely the dips can look severe in the charts, and likely exacerbated by the severity of the negative news (that may well be exaggerating what is actually going on.. we have surely seen exaggerations happen many times in BTClandia history).

Very very understandable. I believe they thought that I might have sold in panic, OR maybe they thought I’m losing all. They never realized that buying under $10,000 was an important buying opportunity because it might truly never see under $10,000 again.

When I told them to get ready for another golden opportunity,



Because I don’t know when it goes up. I’m a pleb. Hahaha.

Yes.  There are a lot of people who are working on their personal BTC stash, and even if you refer to yourself as a pleb, you Wind_FURY should appreciate that you are quite a ways away from the BTC related circumstances of the vast majority of people.

You likely even run into the situation in your real life.  You tell people about bitcoin, and you may even suggest that they take some action, such as setting up accounts, but people do not do anything.  I personally believe that you have your own hesitancies that remain way too great, and you continue to remain scared about bitcoin, so sure bitcoin is quite likely not ever going to see under $10k again, but there are decent chances that it is NOT going to see under $30k again, either.

Sure, we have a lot of FUD and a lot of negative news in bitcoin, but similar kinds of doom and gloom narratives were happening in early 2017, and when BTC prices had gone to $1,400 and then dipped back to $900.. yet maybe we are more like a August 2017 like scenario where BTC prices went to nearly $3k and then dropped again below $2k or maybe when BTC was approaching $5k and then dropped to $3k..

A problem remains that no two scenarios are going to play out exactly alike, and now there are BIGGER players involved, but sure a lot of them could abandon ship too... so your friends who are much less invested than you do not know, but they should still be getting set up with their accounts, and I am not even going to change myth  recommendation to get started right away.. do not be getting so worried about price.  If it take 5 years or more to continue buying with DCA and maybe on dips, but still the DCA remains a solid approach that does not attempt to time the market like the buying on dip can sometimes get frustrating because you are attempting to add that additional factor regarding how much of a dip is enough, which can end up screwing you into buying too much too early or just not buying enough because you are waiting for a dip that does not end up happening.

[Wind_FURY]

There are definitely people right now that want to hang themselves, not literally, because they are HODLimg with a loss. BUT, zoom out, just remember that Bitcoin’s trajectory is still on the way up. Five years from now newbies will say YOU are only lucky because you bought Bitcoin under $100,000. HODL, or lose them to Saylor and other billionaires.

[janggernaut]

Uh yea, well, have you bought btc while it was got dump to $29,000 , OP? or are you still waiting the bigger dip then buy?

Five years from now newbies will say YOU are only lucky because you bought Bitcoin under $100,000.

I really like this part. Imagine your friends or your family saying this to you later 

[pooya87]

Uh yea, well, have you bought btc while it was got dump to $29,000 , OP? or are you still waiting the bigger dip then buy?

To be fair people don't have to buy "every" dip and I dare say they can't. How much "extra money" do people have anyways? Keep in mind that most people don't day-trade so they don't always have the cash.
Usually you'll take advantage of a couple of big dips and make your purchase before running out of money to put into bitcoin and should be happy about it even if "better" opportunities appear afterwards. With that said anything from $30k to $40k is THE dip to buy in.

[Wind_FURY]

Uh yea, well, have you bought btc while it was got dump to $29,000 , OP? or are you still waiting the bigger dip then buy?

Five years from now newbies will say YOU are only lucky because you bought Bitcoin under $100,000.

I really like this part. Imagine your friends or your family saying this to you later 

No, not enough dry powder, but I’m saving again, which I should have done when it was surging. I actually thought that Bitcoin was on its way to 6 digits without stopping and I was enjoying just HODLing.

Uh yea, well, have you bought btc while it was got dump to $29,000 , OP? or are you still waiting the bigger dip then buy?

To be fair people don't have to buy "every" dip and I dare say they can't. How much "extra money" do people have anyways? Keep in mind that most people don't day-trade so they don't always have the cash.
Usually you'll take advantage of a couple of big dips and make your purchase before running out of money to put into bitcoin and should be happy about it even if "better" opportunities appear afterwards. With that said anything from $30k to $40k is THE dip to buy in.

Get the context, and when the topic was made. It was during 2019 during the absolute of lows, but everyone else believed it could crash lower, scared to buy EVERY dip that time.

[Wind_FURY]

I see FUD from “newbie” accounts EVERYWHERE, creating topics “concerned” about Bitcoin. Listen you Trolls, Bitcoin experienced a stress test, and it passed! Difficulty will self-adjust after a large loss in hashing power, and there was no network downtime. The FUD and uexpected “events” never “killed” the market. Life is good for Bitcoin. Save money to buy Bitcoin. If you’re already HODLing, continue HODLing.