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#3 We promised "Week of February 10th", but we didn't specify which year.
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So who's the delusional one in this picture?
Anyone who thinks BFL is going to meet the currently published timeline. |
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I know, it was a pretty awesome example  ..I like how you deferred away from engineers and flipped over to management since it was readily available on NSA's website. I also seem to recall a post somewhere in this thread with a link to BFL's structure, noting Nasser, Sonny, Josh, Chris, and a few others. Ah, the joys of selecting evidence to suit our points of view  Your example is some vague recollection of some post on some random forum? Why is it so hard to find the real people that run BFL? What are they trying to hide? I'm just lazy. Too much work to narrow down the list to just engineers. I found so many people that work there. Machinists, painters, inspectors, supervisors, welders, cnc operators, etc. Tim Bishop, Engineer, http://www.facebook.com/tim.bishop.3914Rossford Fayen, Engineer, http://www.facebook.com/rossford.fayen |
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Again, can anyone name three BFL engineers?
Nope, since none of us work there. There's a manufacturing company an hour away from me, NSA Industries LLC, that's one of my clients. Can you name two of the engineers that work there? Great example. Check out their web page some time. http://www.nsaindustries.com/about-nsa/management-team/Notice how the management team isn't trying to hide their identities? Show me BFL's management team. |
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Not going to pull it out again but there was something like 3 steps
Simulate
Full production Run
Build & deliver
It's quite logical. They've shown no demo, therefore they've never build a prototype. Since there was no prototype, they never had actual chips. Their latest update is all about how the simulations in December showed barely acceptable limits. Hence, they're still at phase-1, "Simulate". The odds of them shipping final products "Week of February 10th" is virtually nil. |
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A) That has no bearing on their business operations. He is one of their 25 employees.
That's quite a mischaracterization of his position. Sonny is a "high-level executive" and a company owner. |
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So the first shipment will be 10,000 - 12,000 chips worth.
Sounds like refunds are adding up. First it was 20k, then up to 100k chips. Now it's down to only 10k chips. Can you link that quote? I think you're getting confused, tho. They had ordered 100k chips from the fab. Only 20k of those would be available in the first round of shipments, and then the other 80k would come later. Idk about that 12k number tho, maybe it was how much will actually be shipping to customers? First batch has been slashed to 10k chips. |
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So the first shipment will be 10,000 - 12,000 chips worth.
Sounds like refunds are adding up. First it was 20k, then up to 100k chips. Now it's down to only 10k chips. |
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OP: it should be this:
Guide to purchasing ASICs - Step 1 - DONT!
Purchasing ASICs would be fine, except there are no ASICs to be purchased. Only pre-orders with vague dates/specs/etc. |
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So ask yourself this question: If they only received a small batch of "test chips" that turned out to be overheating, then why did they make it seem like they were ready to fulfill pre-orders in October?
Ask yourself this question. If they received a small batch, wouldn't they put a single chip on a PCB? How would a single chip overheat? Why wouldn't they demo such a working ASIC? Something just doesn't add up. |
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6.4w per chip should not be a problem. As usual, they're not telling the truth.
In a QFN package? With 8 chips on the same small PCB? Do you have proof of this? Is there a comparable product out in the wild (8 chips on one small PCB using roughly the same wattage in QFN form)? Sure: http://www.psitechnologies.com/products/powerqfn5x6.php7 watts in a 5x6 mm package. |
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I'm really getting tired of hearing pedestrian engineering mistakes being attributed to the difficulty of the bitcoin hashing algorithm as implemented in hardware.
Alright, fair enough. One could certainly argue that the thermal problems should have been foreseen. I am no expert, so I couldn't tell you - I can only take someone else's word for it one way or the other. 6.4w per chip should not be a problem. As usual, they're not telling the truth. |
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It's not irony when I'm pointing out that they are doing the exact same thing they have been vilifying us for. So, yeah, I guess it's irony, but not on my part.
BitSyncom: We are shipping on the 14th! BFL you keep pushing your date back, it is dishonest to push your date back!
BitSyncom: We are shipping on the 19th! BFL you keep pushing your date back, you suck because you keep missing your date!
BitSyncom: We are shipping on the 21st! BFL you keep pushing your date back, we've only pushed it back two days!
I guess we'll see in another 7 days. Irony indeed.
When Avalon is 4 months past their initial delivery date (Feb '13), then you can say that. Until then, shut up. |
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I can see how BFL was put in a tough spot a couple months back... They find out that the QFN package won't be able to be cooled as effectively as they thought it would. So, what can they do?
If that were true, they would have working sample chips and be able to demo them. No demo, therefore no chips, therefore they are still just spewing lies. |
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Huh... 14th, then the 19th, now it's the 21st?
Interesting...
Nice trolling. Avalon facts are this: http://forum.bitsyn.com/viewtopic.php?id=5Shipping will start from February 2013 following the order sequence.
Their initial shipping date was February. The fact that they are slipping on their early delivery is nothing like BFL: October missed November missed December missed January missed February still to be missed |
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tl;dr update:
October missed
November missed
December missed
January missed
February maybe
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Yep, I've been working on it this afternoon. It's almost done and will be posted soon. I've tried to answer all the questions that have been asked so far and I don't think I've missed anything.
Nobody wants a big long complicated update. They just want one word and one number. Let me help you. Pick one word from this list: - January
- February
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It's only a violation if he didn't contact his probation officer about this, and no one has proven that he hasn't contacted his probation officer about this.
Just how do you think Sonny is able to tell his parole office he is going to be investing in a startup, when his "finances had dwindled to zero" and "does not have the ability to pay a fine"? Possible, but extremely unlikely. |
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False. Large companies are often run by a Board of Directors, which have full control over the company and its direction. The owner may be a part of said Board, and may still be the official "owner", but they no longer have full control. The key here would be to obtain a controlling interest through 51% ownership of any company stock (public or private).
BFL is anything but a "large company". It is a privately owned small company. Sonny is a "high-level executive" and company owner. The odds of him having no control is about the same as finding a Bitcoin block with a cpu-miner. |
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