In Nov the hard fork is approaching and if occurs then the bitcoin will go down. It will negatively effect the ecosystem radically if it splits
I'm sure you can prove why, or you post fud. I think there is a difference between FUD and legitimate concerns about the future of bitcoin if such a split happens, I will like that the fork was called out by the miners but if they decide to go through there is no doubt that is going to affect bitcoin since most of the hash power is going to move to another chain. It's not only miners - it looks more like major long term stake holders - they do proper risk management - despite many 'users' with mostly nothing substantial at stake - esp no mining = voting. They can sell their btc in a minute and re-use their Rasp Pi node for sth else in a day. I'm very sure that NYA groups do nothing that really harms btc price for long - that does not exclude any short term fluctuations. |
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I get at least 33% off almost everything in Amazon ... but I have to wait a bit before someone buys it for me.
how? Guess that does not work in EU ? |
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BitPay should be noticed when they have a say what 'users' want.
They stand for voice of a huge merchant community watching the usability and risks of bitcoin's protocol.
If they 'say' it will influence many other merchants accepting or thinking of bitcoin.
Their business suffers from too high fees and LN or other 2nd layer scalings are yet no or no quick, safe options.
What do you users really want? Alts taking over here?
I am very happy that BitPay started, with bitpay I have been able to pay for a lot of services and goods online that would have cost a lot of fortune in normal cash, but I was able to use my bitcoin earnings to pay. Thanks a lot. Yes, they helped a lot for the initial bootstrapping and bitcoin adoption at first place - real user case story (sadly I was also only watching and reading / playing a bit these times). Now, some groups that have given up the mining tasks (for our all unsecurity), that would have really helped better decentralization if not, and now try to blame the left miners for too much centralization - leading to finally higher miner - collusion / meetings / agreements on software upgrades - paradox. And even worse try to break bitcoin with their wish list (mostly based on keepin up 'some' decentralization) / but no real long-term investments behind. Lots of games been played - not a boring time to be here. |
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But why would china be panic selling if it was only ICOs?
It's about localbitcoins now - |
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Guys,
Does anyone have any idea why it is falling without parachute?
http://www.forexlive.com/news/!/caixin-china-is-said-planning-to-shut-local-bitcoin-exchanges-20170908 |
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We don't need more text
Agreed - |
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Charlie Lee (SatoshiLite) - a clear No 2X supporter AND his fanboys voted more than 50% FOR the 2x ... So we see too much FUD in the forums - relax and see the 2nd step of the compromise in the making https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/904565466667958273Sure Twitter vote results are mostly rubbish, but given his followers + bias this is more than funny. That poll hardly says anything about segwit2x, except that the responders to the poll are divided.. .. and if the ultimate deciders are divided, then likely segwit2x will not go through because in order to go through it is going to need overwhelming consensus rather than some random divided group about some vague topic about what the fuck iit is that they are supposedly supporting, exactly. ... exactly same as with SW ... Are you fucking nuts? It is not "exactly same as with SW". Come out from under the bridge, hv_. Segwit is already a done deal. Where have you been? Segwit was locked in, and then it was activated. Hello? The same is not true about 2x blah blah blah... The segwit ship has sailed, are you going to jump on board or live in the past in some kind of fantasy world, acting as if it still is an issue... done deal = segwit. Are you with me? You understand? so to unify such a division / split there was this SW2x compromise (first step to get UASF guys into the boat, second all the rest) - hope you get this some time, but this might be not important here. We should rather concentrate on good discussion behavior agreed?
You seem to be referring to the past..... We are beyond that. We are now in segwitlandia. Have you heard of segwitlandia? That is where we are at. On the other hand, sure there is an ongoing proposal about whether bitcoin should hardfork in a segwit2x hardfork.. that portion is not accomplished but merely a proposal and discussion point that seems to be a long way from consensus. Segwit, on the other hand, has ALREADY ACHIEVED CONSENSUS. That is correct!!!!! Anyhow, I am not disagreeing about folks talking about 2x and wanting to get 2x; however, i am asserting that at this time, it appears that 2x does not have a very high level of consensus and is is not likely to be passed under the current bitcoin ruleset which requires a high level of consensus to get locked in and thereafter activated. Your massive post blahs do not prohibit that miners still can stifle SW TX - if they see need for. Shilling SW is cheap fees is exactly not what miners might need? I stop here feeding you - it does not make sense - we can agree on this? Strange that you are accusing me of spreading nonsense, when you cannot come around to basic logical conclusions that segwit is now activated, and so you are fighting against something that is already done. Does that make any sense? We are not going to agree because you seem to be lacking in some basic knowledge, so if you cannot even get some of the basics correct, then why should we pursue arguments to higher levels? You keep coming into various threads and spreading these kinds of misleading comments, then shouldn't people correct your basic lack of factual foundations - that is if your posts are not getting deleted for their misinformation. Are you in panic mode? I just say clear: SW is activated - ok - those who want to use it, can do. Might pay lower fees - good. But you do not need if you don't want to - freedom of choice - good. Same holds for miners - they can chose mining / including SW TX - or not. Still miners could stifle SW TX. Anything not clear or do you need more text? |
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Charlie Lee (SatoshiLite) - a clear No 2X supporter AND his fanboys voted more than 50% FOR the 2x ... So we see too much FUD in the forums - relax and see the 2nd step of the compromise in the making https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/904565466667958273Sure Twitter vote results are mostly rubbish, but given his followers + bias this is more than funny. That poll hardly says anything about segwit2x, except that the responders to the poll are divided.. .. and if the ultimate deciders are divided, then likely segwit2x will not go through because in order to go through it is going to need overwhelming consensus rather than some random divided group about some vague topic about what the fuck iit is that they are supposedly supporting, exactly. ... exactly same as with SW ... Are you fucking nuts? It is not "exactly same as with SW". Come out from under the bridge, hv_. Segwit is already a done deal. Where have you been? Segwit was locked in, and then it was activated. Hello? The same is not true about 2x blah blah blah... The segwit ship has sailed, are you going to jump on board or live in the past in some kind of fantasy world, acting as if it still is an issue... done deal = segwit. Are you with me? You understand? so to unify such a division / split there was this SW2x compromise (first step to get UASF guys into the boat, second all the rest) - hope you get this some time, but this might be not important here. We should rather concentrate on good discussion behavior agreed?
You seem to be referring to the past..... We are beyond that. We are now in segwitlandia. Have you heard of segwitlandia? That is where we are at. On the other hand, sure there is an ongoing proposal about whether bitcoin should hardfork in a segwit2x hardfork.. that portion is not accomplished but merely a proposal and discussion point that seems to be a long way from consensus. Segwit, on the other hand, has ALREADY ACHIEVED CONSENSUS. That is correct!!!!! Anyhow, I am not disagreeing about folks talking about 2x and wanting to get 2x; however, i am asserting that at this time, it appears that 2x does not have a very high level of consensus and is is not likely to be passed under the current bitcoin ruleset which requires a high level of consensus to get locked in and thereafter activated. Your massive post blahs do not prohibit that miners still can stifle SW TX - if they see need for. Shilling SW is cheap fees is exactly not what miners might need? I stop here feeding you - it does not make sense - we can agree on this? |
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Charlie Lee (SatoshiLite) - a clear No 2X supporter AND his fanboys voted more than 50% FOR the 2x ... So we see too much FUD in the forums - relax and see the 2nd step of the compromise in the making https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/904565466667958273Sure Twitter vote results are mostly rubbish, but given his followers + bias this is more than funny. That poll hardly says anything about segwit2x, except that the responders to the poll are divided.. .. and if the ultimate deciders are divided, then likely segwit2x will not go through because in order to go through it is going to need overwhelming consensus rather than some random divided group about some vague topic about what the fuck iit is that they are supposedly supporting, exactly. ... exactly same as with SW ... so to unify such a division / split there was this SW2x compromise (first step to get UASF guys into the boat, second all the rest) - hope you get this some time, but this might be not important here. We should rather concentrate on good discussion behavior agreed? |
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^ Jbreher is one of those ... they think we pay $6-$8 per tx lol.
No, my claim is that fees are ~1000x more on a Bitcoin Segwit transaction as compared to a Bitcoin Cash transaction. Which you would realize, were it not for your overwhelming desire to castigate all who disagree with you, rather than absorb what it is that we type. For. it is all upthread in black and white. Or in monochrome green for all you old schoolers. But it is so much easier to straw man your way through life, innit? News flash asshole: No one gives a shit. No one cares. No one gives a shit about XT, BU, Bitcoin Cash, 2X, or any other future fork that you trolls can cook up. Your forked shitcoins will never go anywhere, they are not supported by merchants. They are not supported by the economic majority of users. You can't buy anything with that shit. All you can do is trade it back and forth to yourself. Have fun with that. Not to mention, that SegWit and Lightning Network are absolutely going to DESTROY all your silly arguments about transactions fees. As if you were actually trying to buy something with Bitcoin Cash anyway. Oh that's right I forgot, you can't.  GIVE IT UP DUDE. NO ONE GIVES A SHIT. QUIT WASTING OUR TIME. STOP EMBARRASSING YOURSELF. PLEASE GO AWAY. Back to /ignore Are they not supported economically? Please answer me what does this mean? 95% of the power of the hash is pointing to segwit2x Source: https://coin.dance/blocks46 companies in the bitcoin ecosystem, including some of the most relevant, have indicated their support for segwit2x: AirBitz Armory Electrum Exodus Gemini Lamassu Ledger 1Hash Abra AntPool Bcoin BitClub Bitcoin.com (Saint Bitts LLC) Bitfury Bitmain BitmainWarranty Bitpay BitPesa Bitso Blockchain Luxembourg S.A. Bloq Breadwallet BTC.com btc.top BTCC BTCPOP Bustabit BW BX.in.th Canoe Coinbase Coins.ph Digital Currency Group HitBTC Magnr OB1 OKCoin Prohashing PTYcoin Purse ripio SFOX Shapeshift.io Vaultoro ViaBTC Xapo Source: https://coin.dance/poliPD: continue ignoring anyone who disagrees with you, and soon you will not have anyone to talk to  Charlie Lee (SatoshiLite) - a clear No 2X supporter AND his fanboys voted more than 50% FOR the 2x ... So we see too much FUD in the forums - relax and see the 2nd step of the compromise in the making https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/904565466667958273Sure Twitter vote results are mostly rubbish, but given his followers + bias this is more than funny. |
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Oh wei - did 'real' bitcoin had Segwit or not ?
So a base protocol does not need such specs as SW or max block size
We are in the middle of finding this out - it's hard work and sadly too much fights.
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That's a bit of an oversimplification. Soft forks add new rules, yes, but those new rules can offer all sorts of previously unavailable transaction types and templates, provided that they are still within the original consensus rules. It is in this way that Segwit can not only create a new transaction type which addresses transaction malleability, but can also increase the block size without breaking consensus. IMO its never good to restrict base protocols - adding 1000s of lines - technobubble them up. Client impls should do this. Open source protocols needs to be as simple as possible. Or you stifle things (client imlps, knowledge, adoption,..) to dead. That's exactly what we witness right now and too much alts come and share bitcoin's realm. I'm still a bitcoin maximalist and do not believe only big blockers 7 big bitcoiners do see this. Sadly this witnessing has been already segregated away due to form politics / big blocker have left and you need to look it up elsewhere. Here (or reddit/bitcoin) you cannot much discuss this in peace and I'm just waiting to see what will happen to good old bitcoin. Still hope for a compromise 'most' can agree on and the first step of this (HongKong,..NYA ) was already done. |
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Best time to buy before the fork because no one knows if blockchain is going to split again or not, from the looks of it people might greed-split bitcoin again to repeat the same experiences with BCC.
If a hard fork occurs, there is guaranteed to be a split. It's impossible for any other outcome to occur. Splits will always be there and will increase should better have a good strategy to win it Its more about proper upgrades not splits. We need to be free from tech / deployment fud. This has and already had lot of bad impact to bitcoin. Market share might be not below 50%, because bitcoin can do! There is no reason why bitcoin is not the AmazonGoogleEbayApple of the cryptoworld. If we want proper upgrades and not splits, we should be focusing on soft-fork upgrades, then. And by that, I mean miner-activated soft forks. Because without a mining majority, a UASF is virtually indistinguishable from a hard fork; it is incompatible with the legacy chain. Unfortunately, we can't be free from fork FUD. The fact of the matter is that major stakeholders have become very entrenched in this industry. Companies like Bitpay and Coinbase and Bloq, miners like Bitmain... they have interests, and they are not necessarily in line with Bitcoin users. They will do whatever they can to further their business interests. No, with SF you can only restrict the protocol. Thats just giving room to other alts. Simple es that. http://vitalik.ca/general/2017/03/14/forks_and_markets.htmlOr you just force the rest of or decentral community into a central collusion. The protocol needs to as thin as possible. Nash equilibrium DOES help all the rest. If you do not get this, you need to look it up or try to play and endless Monopoly game with some friends. Here you learn, that you don't need any code base at all. The ruleset is just irrelevant when you try keep up playing for ever. |
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In Nov the hard fork is approaching and if occurs then the bitcoin will go down. It will negatively effect the ecosystem radically if it splits
I'm sure you can prove why, or you post fud. |
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Best time to buy before the fork because no one knows if blockchain is going to split again or not, from the looks of it people might greed-split bitcoin again to repeat the same experiences with BCC.
If a hard fork occurs, there is guaranteed to be a split. It's impossible for any other outcome to occur. Splits will always be there and will increase should better have a good strategy to win it Its more about proper upgrades not splits. We need to be free from tech / deployment fud. This has and already had lot of bad impact to bitcoin. Market share might be not below 50%, because bitcoin can do! There is no reason why bitcoin is not the AmazonGoogleEbayApple of the cryptoworld. |
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 Them 2 unknown miners are truely running the network pretty much all other pools have stopped as of now You have no idea who they are or if there is any alternative motive or why they continue to mine with huge power outperforming all the major big block supporters yet support them with adding value This is very dangerous thing to do why do they have the need to hide their identity unless their is something there hiding from and dont want a manhunt against them if something bad happens Bitcoin is a very private network and community. So there is no need and no force to show what you do and what you have. Sure we want to 'measure' decentralization as a factor of security, but even if you claim some name or pool mining label, we never can be sure if that is all true... So whats the point in having some names you cannot trust end of the day anyway? It just gives you false feelings... |
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Der Kim scheint auch den Kurs stützen zu wollen... Kann mir jemand mal erklären, warum ausgerechnet das Herumgefuchtel mit Kernwaffen in einem der bevölkerungsreichsten Teile der Erde irgendetwas positives zum Kursverlauf besteuern sollte? Ich zumindest wüsste nicht, was man mit Digitalwährungen nach einer nuklearen Katastrophe in Asien sonderlich Sinnvolles anstellen sollte. Von daher würde ich entsprechende Kommentare eher als zynisch einschätzen. Weise Worte. Es bringt absolut nichts, es ist soger sehr gefählich, einzelne (Volks-) Gruppen auszuschliessen, für doof zu deklarieren, keinen Handel zu betreiben. Gilt IMMER. Besser ist immer konstruktive Kommunikation, auch wenn das oft unmöglich erscheint - es dient aber der Entspannung und man lernt auch viel Neues. Peace! Wir können direkt hier im Forum damit anfangen. Nutze den Tag. |
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Ich bin auch etwas verwundert, dass der Kursverlauf so positiv verläuft da die Situation mit einem wahrscheinlichen Hardfork durch das NYA immer noch recht unsicher ist.
Die Dumbazz Logik wäre hier: Es gibt nochmal unbestimmte Dividende! Das heizt evtl. ein? |
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