Is one of them the guy who ran bitscalper ?

Congrats, you just made this subforum pointless...
ANY speculation about the market can also be manipulation, and you shouldn't (anyone shouldn't) be the one to judge

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Benjamin Franklin)

I'm a total newb about stock markets other than bitcoin, how are the fees distributed usually ?

FTFY

I agree with you that a deflationary event is coming. But do you think central banks won't react ?

I do agree. Your way of doing business is just bad.
I'm a real investor, and want my money back.

It has been estimated that all the gold mined by the end of 2009 totaled 165,000 tonnes. At a price of US$1900 per troy ounce, reached in September 2011, one tonne of gold has a value of approximately US$61.1 million. The total value of all gold ever mined would exceed US$10.1 trillion at that valuation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_reserve

I also think it'll take much more than 8 years...

LOL, you're too smart to deduct that from today's action. Think about how much money went out of gold vs how much money went in bitcoin.
IMO you're trying to see an inverse correlation where it's not there (yet)

Thanks for you opinion cypherdoc, no hate here either.
I mainly disagree with you on the date of bitcoin mass adoption, thus i think we have more upside for PM for a few years. But it'll happen.

Do you have any target on gold/silver cypherdoc ?
I have to admit that i didn't believe you back in July, even if a correction clearly made sense.
Now the real question is where the bottom will be... We're not there yet, i do think PM will go down with stocks, and the correction in stocks should happen (soon ?).

IMO the best proof we could get would be obtained by doing an extensive bibliographic research on the topic. Then :

- Compare writing style in paper (difficult, since there's never one person to write a paper)
- Compare figures, and trying to find out which software was used to generate them (again not the best proof, but still informative)
- Get source code examples from the articles, and compare it with Satoshi style. Mostly in comments, and in the naming of functions/variables.

Something odd about the satoshi whitepaper is that there's no Fig # below the figures. That's something most researcher automatically do while writing, which could suggest a young one, not used to write papers.

Anyway, we'll never be sure, and that's ok with me. Whoever you are, thanks dude

You shouldn't have close you position proudhon  

disclosure  : i had nearly the same as you, still open, even increased. Now let's hope i'm right 

WTF with the min price in your pic here proudhon ??
Even if it doesn't factor in the recent addition of swaps, it totally off ...

If my math is correct, your margin call/liquidation price (taking into account swap) is 2.8/2.66
Can someone confirm ? Just want to be sure my math is good

In Europe there's no VAT on "investment gold", meaning coins, bars.
But there's VAT on silver and other metals

I personally think that we should move to p2pool, because it's good for bitcoin.
And i also do think that shareholders should be able to control the coins that come in, via block explorer.
Don't see it as a lack of confidence, Transparency is just good for business.

Obviously this should be put to vote, that's just my personal opinion

Take as much time as you need. I vastly prefer the safe approach.

Then you'll understand i won't answer, for trivial reasons 

Before i answer, can you tell me what are these trivial economical reasons ?

Is it a real question or some high level trolling ?

Stuxnet for sure is something amazing and scary. A new weapon for a new kind of war.
But i don't see how stuxnet will be able to liberate Iranian oppressed oil.