It is possible to recall past lives. See points #39 and #41.
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html

It is unclear what you mean by "ability" and by what criteria it is "useless".

The evidence supports survival, and it refutes the humanist worldview. The idea that "you only live once" is useless because it has been falsified, same with the idea that Man is the founder of all knowledge.

Surely the references are more valuable than the websites themselves. Why not critique the references? Oh, I see that you have critiqued one reference of mine; let's see if your critique stands up to the evidence...

What does it prove?
This proves that indeed there was 1 verifiable result of veridical perception during a period when the brain absolutely could not function. What is the problem with that conclusion?
Oh, I see you claim that the patient is "good at making up stories"? How would that work, exactly?
I suppose that the woman with the OBE in point #9 was simply "good at guessing a five-digit number"?
And then for points #19, #20, you would presumably claim that these people were good at "making up" valid scientific theories and predictions? Same for #27?

These controls were put in place in order to eliminate the possibility of making up stories, effective methods were used so it is highly surprising that even 1 case was verified, so it cannot be dismissed, but still more research needs to be done. I am glad we can agree that this is an example of good science.


Reincarnation is plausible due to the evidence of veridical perception and veridical memories in many forms of experience; 52 points summarize the evidence gained from experience; it is totally dishonest to dismiss all qualitative data with the "making up stories" hypothesis because it is a totally inadequate explanation, it does not fit the NDE. There is even a cool study from PLOS ONE referenced in point #52 which provides strong evidence that these experiences are not made up. I suggest you dig further into these scientific references and consider the entire body of circumstantial evidence supporting the possibility of survival while being open to new paradigms.

It is also important to mention that NDEs cannot be explained by brain chemistry alone, that they change people unlike hallucinations and dreams, and that the skeptical theories surrounding NDEs have many flaws. Therefore, the burden of proof is upon skeptics to show how the materialist paradigm can explain the facts surrounding NDE; you have not supplied any scientific evidence to back up your assertion that these stories are made up, indeed there is good science in point #52 and others that refutes this idea, so I do suggest that you first provide a hypothesis that actually fits the observations, then you can gather evidence to support this (perhaps by doing replication studies).

There are many reviews and replication studies of Stevenson's work; there is even detailed criticism, but it does not measure up to the weight of the strong cases.
In 1975, in a review of Stevenson's "Cases of the Reincarnation Type" in the Journal of the American Medical Association, Dr. Lester S. King concluded that Stevenson had "painstakingly and unemotionally collected a detailed series of cases in India, cases in which the evidence for reincarnation is difficult to understand on any other grounds....[H]e has placed on record a large amount of data that cannot be ignored."

In any case, one can run (further) experiments and investigations, or one can realize that the evidence (52 salient points) already merits a conclusion, and that a discovery is at hand. NDEs have already advanced the fields of philosophy (point #24), psychology (#21), and genomics (#20). People having NDEs have even brought back scientific discoveries (#19, #20)!

Because there already exists a substantial amount of anecdotal evidence supporting veridical perception [during a "Near-Death Experience"], it may only be a matter of time before hard, scientific evidence of an afterlife is found.

Even more importantly: Skeptical arguments against NDEs are not valid (#34-36, and others). NDEs support the reality of rebirth (#38). I conclude that the burden of proof has shifted to skeptics of an afterlife (#36).

It simply will not do to reject all qualitative observations. Many lines of evidence unite in supporting the reality of rebirth (#37). The rhetorical opinions of some NDE theories are presented as if they were scientific. Many skeptical arguments against the survival theory are actually arguments from pseudo-skeptics who often think they have no burden of proof. Pseudo-skeptical arguments are sometimes made that do not consider the entire body of circumstantial evidence supporting the possibility of survival or do not consider the possibility of new paradigms. Such pseudo-skeptical claims are often made without any scientific evidence.

Also, if the dying brain creates NDE illusions, what is the purpose for doing it? If our brains are only a high-tech computer-like lump of tissue which produces our mind and personality, why does it bother to create illusions at the time of death? Even if NDE elements can be reduced to only a series of brain reactions, this does not negate the idea that NDEs are more than a brain thing.

Ah, but you are possibly unaware that medicine is not a science! So, old science does not necessarily make for bad science, these reincarnation studies can be replicated, and the lessons learned upon replication (check the literature) stimulate the self-correcting process and improve systematic controls in future studies, strengthening the quality of the evidence.

Here is an example of strong controls being implemented, the result is evidence of veridical perception during NDE which supports the hypothesis (survival), and shows that more research is merited in order to record even stronger evidence; this is science at its finest and there is nothing "funny" about it:

Quoting from the recent AWARE study:
"One case was validated and timed using auditory stimuli during cardiac arrest... [C]onsciousness and awareness appeared to occur during a three-minute period when there was no heartbeat. This is paradoxical, since the brain typically ceases functioning within 20-30 seconds of the heart stopping and doesn’t resume again until the heart has been restarted. Furthermore, the detailed recollections of visual awareness in this case were consistent with verified events."

“Thus, while it was not possible to absolutely prove the reality or meaning of patients’ experiences and claims of awareness, (due to the very low incidence (2 per cent) of explicit recall of visual awareness or so called OBE’s), it was impossible to disclaim them either and more work is needed in this area. Clearly, the recalled experience surrounding death now merits further genuine investigation without prejudice.”

Surprise! There does exist Supporting Material in the Form of Direct Evidence
It is easily seen how TransCommunication relates to what is often referred to as the best evidence for survival--OBE, NDE, reincarnation, and mediumship. Check the ethericstudies site for more details on ITC, perhaps after you have reviewed the 52 points on the near-death site (especially point #49).

Still waiting for an atheist to form a rational reply to the evidence; by no means is your reply a criticism of Dr. Stevenson's research.

It does not matter when a scientific study is done; this is one study of many that I referenced, and if you think that old science is bad science, then you have another think coming!

By the way, if you had done some reading, you would have seen this text in the very same point that was referenced:

http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a39

Excuse me? This thread is about science and evidence, and I have yet to see a rational reply from you.

Reincarnation has been called by some to be the greatest unknown scientific discovery today. In the last chapter of Dr. Ian Stevenson's book entitled Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation (1967), he provides rigorous scientific reasoning to show how reincarnation is the only viable explanation that fits the facts of his study. He considers every possible alternative explanation for his twenty cases of young children who were spontaneously able to describe a previous lifetime as soon as they learned to talk. He was able to rule out each alternative explanation using one or more aspects of these cases. Later research has even bolstered his case in favor of the existence of reincarnation. His study is also completely reproducible which means that anybody who doubts the validity of this study is perfectly welcome to repeat it for themselves. I believe it is only a short matter of time before his discovery of the existence of reincarnation is finally realized by the scientific community and the world to be accepted as one of the greatest scientific discoveries of all time.

You must be confused, I referenced 52 points of evidence; that is hardly an "absence" of evidence!!


NDEs are different from hallucinations.
NDEs change people unlike hallucinations and dreams.
NDEs cannot be explained by brain chemistry alone.
People having NDEs are convinced they saw an afterlife (Regardless of their prior attitudes).
The skeptical "dying brain" theory of NDEs has major flaws.
Skeptical arguments against NDEs are not valid.
Scientific evidence of reincarnation supports an afterlife.
NDEs support the reality of reincarnation.
etc.

The Reality and Presence of Sananda (One WITH God) is explained in Chapter 2 of Journal #32; it is well worth it to read the entire chapter; here are some brief quotations to introduce the content:

Hi BADecker, I am using Christ as a name to more easily communicate, but it is incorrect since Christ is not a name, it is a state of emotional sanctity and goodness according to the golden rule. Remember what Sananda said: "It is not my being which has any merit--it is my oneness with Creator which is represented in your language as 'Christ Knowing'"

This is not about religion, the survival hypothesis is about scientific evidence and observations that supports the survival of some part of the personality. It is a well-defined and well-verified hypothesis, it escapes such paradoxes and all you must do is evaluate the evidence for yourself; I have linked 52 points for your review.

And do other animals also have death-bed visions, verifiable past-life memories, veridical near-death experiences, etc.? Again, a review of the evidence is helpful.

You are ignoring the study of consciousness, it is obvious that you have not read the evidence in any detail; I have provided you with scientific references; you can start with the research of Dr. Stevenson for it is particularly strong.


Honestly, I think your ego is getting in the way of your review of the evidence; kindly consider all 50+ points and get back to me:
http://www.near-death.com/evidence.html

You say that Jesus is savior but I have no proof of your claim.
You say that the Bible is inerrant but I have not seen the proof.
You say that I am going to hell and that I am destroying myself, but how is that so?
You say that the journals are false but how exactly would that work?
You say that jesus saves us but to me this sounds like magical thinking.
You uttered a contradiction about free will, and did not clarify, so to me it sounds like you are spreading confusion.

Wait a second BADecker, I just told you that you were not using reason, and you are accusing me of not thinking?

You find GOD by following the CHRIST "way", as you so aptly quoted from Psalms 1.
You don't get to choose to be saved by accepting the "Son of God"; that is "magical thinking".
If you will not think upon the audio I referenced, I will summarize it for you:
The early Christians practiced "Jewish Messiahnism", they were a Jewish sect, not a separate religion.
Christian Gnosticism grew up along "mainstream" Christianity and these two were of equal validity in the early church. One was chosen over the other for political reasons. Actually, the term "Christian" came much later, from Syria.
Now, with all of the confusion in this late-day Christian belief, you denounce Hatonn as Satanic because he wishes to go back and believe the Christ teachings coming forth from holy GOD as a form of life being-ness, emotional sanctity and goodness according to the golden rule?

 

I am not a monkey; I am a soul, and I have a body. I have asked atheists in this thread to rationally evaluate the evidence for life after death. Where is your rational response?

Evidence of life after death and corresponding proof of God: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.5300

Hi BADecker,
You suffer from a fanatical refusal to think correctly with regards to obtaining knowledge; you think all truth is contained within one book. I must inform you that the message of that book was dramatically altered by Paul, and this is backed up by modern Biblical scholarship; for details and references, listen to the "First Christians" audios here.

Even the NAME of your "savior" was changed by Paul: The name "Jesus" was not appended to Esu Emmanuel until after he was no longer in the "Holy Land". That is a totally fabricated label given (historically authenticated) by Saul of Tarsus (Paul) during his travels in Greece.

You do not use reason (thus, you end up contradicting yourself as pointed out by Buffer Overflow); you only care about what is written in your book!! You do not love me by throwing your book at me and telling me that I am going to Hell; remember that Emmanuel said "As I have loved you, so you must love one another"; he never said "believe that I am your savior"; Emmanuel said that God's kingdom and laws are within YOU, not in the Torah! Yours is not Christian behavior but the mere denouncing of a brother efforting to find his God Truth. I cannot count how many times I have asked you to learn more about the "First Christians" so that you may be aware of how the teachings of Christ were changed. You have been given the wrong information and you accept that interpretation "on faith", i.e. without thought or reason, but notice how it is the interpretation that the 'authorities' want you to have so that you can go back to sleep and forget about your responsibility to God and your fellow man. Christ realized that God was within him and he tried to TEACH you that God is within you too; you cannot rely on another to take your responsibility for following the laws:


You tell us that Jesus has forgiven you, so there is no need to be responsible for your actions; however, forgiveness of actions is not the same thing as condoning lack of responsibility! Furthermore, you cannot arrive at "GOD" by following a MAN--any MAN, not even a "Jesus". You find GOD by following the CHRIST "way" toward all things and actions chosen, intended and honored. You don't get to choose to be saved by accepting the "Son of God"; that is magical thinking; that is a corruption of Jesus's teachings that was introduced by Paul, as I have stated many times. Christ never wrote down his teachings, so we have to use reason and think critically about the early Christians.

Like I said: Maybe your way and "wisdom" didn't work? Maybe you are judging me and telling me that I am going to Hell because you forgot about that part in the Bible where Emmanuel says "don't judge" and "love one another".

Let us not stop in the sharing of God-truth in this thread.


During humanity's time on Earth, many amazing discoveries have been made. Dr. Stevenson found that some children who remember past lives have verifiable memories and characteristics that appear to reference the prior personality and cannot be explained by other causes.

Many lines of evidence support the hypothesis that the personality sometimes survives death; although the truth about life and death may be beyond human comprehension, this hypothesis can be accepted as scientifically proven. Research shows that although past life memories are found in all cultures, awareness of the reincarnation phenomena may improve the chances of correctly recalling a previous life. Humanity must become more aware of itself and its own evolution if we are to have any hope of understanding the truth about life and death.

Compare/Contrast my message with BADecker's message:
BADecker's "Biblical" perspective is listed first, my perspective derived from study of Phoenix Journals is listed second.

1: Saved by your option to accept Jesus of the Bible.
2: Saved by adherence to God's laws.

1: The Bible is inerrant, if something contradicts the Bible then it is wrong.
2: Nothing of Man is inerrant; study it all; Bible has been rewritten.

1: Authority is Paul, a Pharisee who never even met Christ.
2: Authority is Commander Hatonn, who travels with "Christ returned".

1: Rapture will occur and you will be lifted up into the clouds by magic, if you make the choice of accepting Jesus of the Bible.
2: You will be lifted off this planet by space brothers if you make the choice of being in harmony with God's Laws.

1: Jesus is the Son of God, he died for your sins so that you don't have to take responsibility for them, just accept Christ.
2: God is within you; "Christ" is NOT A NAME, it is an emotional state of being. This man KNEW truth and tried to TEACH IT, and now he has returned to instruct you in the laws so that you can take responsibility for your soul-journey.

1: Follow Jesus of the Bible and find GOD within that book.
2: You cannot arrive at "GOD" by following a MAN--any MAN, not even a "Jesus". You find GOD by following the CHRIST "way" toward all things and actions chosen, intended and honored.

1: Jesus has forgiven you, so there is no need to be responsible for your actions.
2: Forgiveness of actions is not the same thing as condoning lack of responsibility!

1: Jesus of the Bible gives everyone freedom, just choose to accept Jesus.
2: Truth can give you freedom--but not until you are ready to part with the lie.

1: Fanatical refusal to think correctly with regards to obtaining knowledge; Bible has many interpretations and unclear allegories, and many resulting cults; however, it does mention the laws of GOD and the part about not judging.
2: Rationally confronts reality of the NWO with genuine God-truth and information--hundreds of books written in a clear and lucid style.

It is fully and totally up to EACH INDIVIDUAL Man as to how and what he will believe his journey to be but the Laws of God are unchangeable for each environment of experience and Laws of Creation are unchangeable in any expression anywhere. God has laid guidelines which will guide your being in safety until maturity of wisdomholder. If, however, one comes as messenger and teacher and teaches the individual the rules of safety, would it not behoove the individual to listen?

If another (e.g. BADecker) compels you to cast aside this WORD then he has just told you the truth of it all. God is open and asks that ye study all so that you can find Truth. If a person denies you, through fear of retaliation or any kind (e.g. claiming that you are going to hell), the free and open study of the WORD AS RENDERED UNTO YOU--then he has just told you that he KNOWS you will find Truth in this work and he can no longer hold control over your being. There is no FEAR in the places or Truth of God.

"The WORD is given forth for your use or denial--but I think were I YOU, I would think carefully as to the validity of that which is offered for there will be no coercion or threat as to your reading or accepting of same. God neither coerces nor forces; HOWEVER, according to your actions within HIS Laws shall ye find your place prepared for you--WILL IT BE GLORY OR MORE OF THE SAME ENDLESS RESTLESSNESS? IT IS SOLELY UP TO YOU. I AM PREPARED TO WELCOME YOU ABOARD OR WAVE GOODBYE FOR IT IS NOT YOUR OPTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT I BRING YOU INTO ANYWHERE--THAT IS DECIDED BY YOUR INTENT TO LIVE WITHIN THE LAWS OF GOD WHO HAS COME TO BRING YOU INTO SAFETY. IT IS NOT UP TO A VOTE OF THE MAJORITY OF HUMAN OF THE SPECIES--IT IS UP TO GOD AND I SERVE ONLY GOD--OF DIVINE CREATION. NO EVIL SHALL BE BROUGHT ABOARD THE WINGED SHIPS OF GOD NOR ENTERED WITHIN THE HOUSES OF GOD.

May the wisdom of insight and understanding be allowed within your awakening that you may see and hear AND ACT for the hourglass is empty and time is run out--it is the time of final choosing of direction and you are either for God or against Him--there is no fence to sit upon for if you turn FROM God you have automatically chosen the evil imprisonment of physical perceptions and on that spiraling cycle shall ye remain."
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/j047/

We have already had this discussion about "I and my father are one"; you can search upon this thread to see that you did not follow-up.

Again, at his trial Emmanuel said "THEY say as much"; he never said "yes, I am God". No need to suggest that he was evasive in his answer to a direct question. GOD IS OPEN AND SHARES ALL IN THE FULL LIGHT OF BRILLIANT DAY--NO SECRETS AND NO MYSTICAL RITUALS OF HUMAN MANIFESTATIONS. GOD IS "MYSTERY" ONLY BECAUSE YOU TAKE NOT THE TIME TO LEARN TRUTH AND GIVE SOLUTION TO THE "MYSTERY".


"All that the one dubbed "Jesus" told the world about the unity of God and Man, and the location of the Mind-Kingdom within every Man, has no meaning except for the very few illumined ones and the very many who now so deeply desire that illuminating. Yes--God-conscious is slowly infiltrating the human race as man knows more and more how to THINK with his Mind instead of SENSING with his body. We, who know God in us, are desirous of illumining the path for you to find that Light of inner knowing--and when you do find it, you will then be able to say--with deep knowing-I and my Father are ONE--and you will know all things! "

"It may take you a while to fully grasp the above, but you can never comprehend it by reasoning with your brain as a sense basis, for in that process is the motion of "thinking". You must learn to "be still and KNOW". The inner thinking of deep meditation will take you into the zero world of REALITY where illusion does not exist. Moreover, neither will the smatterings of incorrect perceptions as given to you before now be forever inhibiting your learning and KNOWING. The more you are able to find that center where the Light of Creation dwells, the more you will be able to discover the Light of your Self, and that is the greatest miracle that can happen to anyone. When you find your Self you also find God in His Kingdom within you. You certainly do not need to go running about the globe searching for Self for, if you do so, you will NEVER FIND SELF. When you have thus acquired full awareness of your own omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence you can then knowingly, and authoritatively, say: "I and my Father are ONE!" "

"Actually you live in two universes--the invisible zero universe of CAUSE, and the visible universe of EFFECT. You have sensed the EFFECT and believed in its reality. You have never yet come to know the universe of CAUSE. It is time that you begin to KNOW God’s invisible universe which is in absolute control of the visible universe. Man will never solve the riddle of the universe until he fully knows and comprehends the zero universe which he can in no way hear or see. He can know it, however, and in so knowing he can, likewise, know God. He can even prove the fact of the omnipresent God in his laboratory. Nor shall man ever solve the riddle of his own Self--his own Identity, until he knows that he, himself, is as eternal as God is eternal. When Man knows that he is Mind and that his body is his Mind-Creation, as the whole universal body is the Mind-Creation of God, he will then know what the consummate mystic of two thousand years ago meant when He said: "I and My Father are ONE." "


From what I can tell, you offer arguments from authority. Someone has told you this, and you accepted it; I do not think that you personally know for a fact that the Bible has saved even a single soul.

You refuse to even look within to inquire upon the subject. It seems like you prefer to read what MAN SAID that God said, and you accept MAN'S authority as proof that "the Bible is right".

You only care about what is written in your book!!

Yours is not Christian behavior but the mere denouncing of a brother efforting to find his God Truth.

I have no proof of the Bible's integrity; Christ never wrote his teachings down in that book!

Like I said: Maybe your way and "wisdom" didn't work?

"As we look out upon this vast world of strife, seeing fear in the soul of Man instead of love and happiness, and seeing greed there, also, for worthless quantities of moving matter, and seeing also desires for body-sensation rather than Mind-inspiration, we can but conclude that Man is still far from knowing that Light within him of which One Man whom Man crucified knew when He said: "I and My Father are ONE." "


Why would you RATHER believe the LIE than the TRUTH?
Ponder it and look within at WHY THIS IS SO?
You are NOT going to make a safe, physical transition to anywhere, cloud or otherwise, through MAGIC.
If you don't like my suggestions--go do your thing and blessings rest upon you--also a lot of sympathy and sadness at such blindness and foolish perceptions.
As I have mentioned a few times in this thread, Hatonn comes to us through radio transmission:
"I write through a “Translator”; communications through pulsed short-wave transmission.  This is not “psychic channeling nor hocus-pocus”. This is purely “physics” of frequency transmission, receiver termination of transmission and translation of the signal into the English language."
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/gch.html

Christ never said "I, Jesus, am the Son of God". IN FACT AT HIS TRIAL WHEN ASKED IF HE WAS GOD HE SAID, “THEY say as much.”

If your Bible says that Jesus Christ is God--it errs. It should say that the one returning will wear a new name and the name will be the Word which is God--would this not indicate that possibly the Christed energy will have had to grow in His own right to achieve the bearing of the new name? That is, is it not just possible that the name might be Sananda--the WORD WHICH IS GOD!?

You judge my books to be distractions, but look around you; ARE YOU INTO CHAOS AND TROUBLE OR ARE YOU IN THE MIDST OF HARMONY AND BALANCE IN GODLY TRUTH? Maybe your way and "wisdom" didn't work? So what gives you right to pounce and pound on MINE? SO FAR, EVERYTHING I HAVE TOLD YOU IS PROVING TO BE ABSOLUTE TRUTH AND IS CONFIRMED AND I PRONOUNCE NOTHING "ON" YOU.

I find the "books" (JOURNALS) are denounced without so much as holding a copy in hand, much less the reading of such documents. Perhaps it HAS TO BE THAT WAY, however, or the eyes and soul (if one is present) would see Truth?? ()

You really want us to believe that the Bible is the only path to knowledge.
Yours its a false cult designed to enslave and you glorify Christ to make it more credible for the people.
Now I bring to you word of his teachings as they have been preached anew without being falsified, your response is to crucify the messengers upon your book.
Christ will not bear your responsibility and neither will anyone else, but those such as you are determined to deny his true teachings and reject accountability for your own past experiences and karma.

My book is not evil. It does not, for example, tell the story of a child being sacrificed in order to "test" his father. God would not put a child through that kind of terror where his father is about to sacrifice him... Because he heard some mysterious voices? You cannot find any evil in my book, but I find many problems with yours.