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281  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Incorporated a new amazing product/supplement and accepting BTC/LTC! WholeFoods! on: September 22, 2015, 07:36:20 AM
It's very exciting to not only be the first product of its kind!
This idea has huge potential because innovative things go together!
A cool new product can change people's perspectives on cryptocurrency, making it more usable.
Just imagine, everyone has some coin, saving and spending it on beneficial, innovative products designed by start-ups founded by crypto-enthusiasts; soon we will see many products and businesses "co-branding" with bitcoin, especially since the low price makes it easy for people to buy and spend.

One idea I have is you could have a shopper receive an SMS or scan a QR code to pay your wallet a token amount, like 0.001 BTC, then you will send them a coupon to their phone or email; since the amount is so small, there is little need to wait for confirmations.

I suggest you reach out to Thrive market, it is like an online Whole Foods.

Please post BTC ADDRESS for a generous donation
Sure, why not:
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282  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 22, 2015, 06:37:04 AM
Whatever taking responsibility for your own life means, the only way to participate in salvation, is to take the responsibility for yourself to believe in Jesus as your Savior.
You repeat this like it is propaganda, but you are 100% wrong;
Jesus said that all you have to do is love God and love your neighbor:
"There is none other commandment greater than these", "this do, and thou shalt live."

No one can follow the "New Commandment" of Jesus by just "sitting there". Life transforms with love, not laziness or mere "belief". He did not give any commandments that said "I am your personal savior", "believe that I am the Son of God or you will go to hell", or anything like that, so do not even bother with that for it is untruth. Jesus said you will live if you follow his New Commandment. You dare to contradict him?

My brother, you have to do the work and only YOU can turn YOUR LIFE around. This "savior" is a false teaching; you must "do what is true in the light, so that it may be clearly seen that your works have been carried out in God". It does nothing but encourage laziness when you claim that someone else has paid the price for your wicked deeds. If you care about his teachings, you will take his New Commandment to heart.
283  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 22, 2015, 05:14:13 AM
It is said that Christ loved us first, so he would not condemn me for trying to take responsibility for my own life. Jesus is the "standard for love", he came to show us the Christ way and that means that we must be responsible for our actions.
Christ is not a name, it is a state of goodness and emotional sanctity in accordance with the golden rule; no one can follow the "New Commandment" of Jesus by just "sitting there". Life transforms with love, not laziness. Christ is calling YOU, BADecker; give up your magical thinking and follow Jesus' New Commandment.

"There is none other commandment greater than these", "this do, and thou shalt live."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Commandment#Interpretations
284  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 22, 2015, 05:08:34 AM
The commandment to "love one another" appears thirteen times in twelve verses in the New Testament.
How many times has Jesus explicitly identified himself as my "personal savior" and stated that I will go to hell if I don't believe that he is my "personal savior"? Zero.
285  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 22, 2015, 04:53:52 AM
Obeying God's Laws will not save me?
I think Jesus would disagree with you; he said "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets".
He said "There is none other commandment greater than these", and "Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live."

Most Christian denominations consider these two commandments the core of the Christian religion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Commandment
286  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 22, 2015, 04:40:43 AM
I disagree, BADecker; Jesus did not talk about being my "personal savior" explicitly, again and again, nor did he repeatedly say that those who don't believe in his BEING will go to hell; I have found that intelligent Christians disagree with you, and your reply is lacking in detail, you just tell me to "go read the Bible", but I have already told you that some parts relating to this question (like Mark 16:16) were added long after the fact (quite suspicious if you ask me!) and also that Paul knew nothing about Jesus and was his worst persecutor.

Your case shows us that not everyone believes, or even wants to believe.

You are right, I won't trust in a "savior" who would try to take responsibility away from me.
I am responsible for obeying God's Laws, and I will not try and place that burden upon another.
I will not just "sit there" and trust in my "savior" for there are no saviors; you have to do the work and only YOU can turn YOUR LIFE around.
I will do what is true in the light of day, so that it may be clearly seen that my works have been carried out in God.

I also found this passage which contradicts what you are saying yet again:

Rev 20:12
"And the dead were judged by the things which were written in the scrolls, according to their works."
287  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 22, 2015, 04:19:04 AM
BADecker, you have yet to contradict my notion that it is not the BEING of Jesus that has any merit, but rather his Oneness with God:

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It is not my being which has any merit--it is my oneness with Creator which is represented in your language as "Christ Knowing"--the label makes no difference be it pronounced differently in all and every language. I repeat something that you perhaps missed in your following of incorrect information givers. EXCEPT THROUGH ME (CHRIST ACTIONS AS GIVEN IN BALANCE; THE LAWS OF HARMONY AND BALANCE OF THE GREAT SPIRIT AND MOTHER/FATHER CREATION/CREATOR), SHALL YE PASS INTO THE PERFECTION OF THE SO-CALLED HOUSE OF GOD.

Why is it that you want me to contradict you on this so badly?

Smiley

Oh, because you would be shown to be wrong and in disagreement with the intelligent Christian answers on SE.

Jesus simply does not say that those who do not believe in him will go to hell.

Rather, he says that he is the only way to the Father. It is an assumption and an interpretation that this means that the pathway he provides to the Father is available only to those who believe in him.

See my edits above; I tire of repeating the content of this SE question and answers:
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/15353/did-jesus-actually-ever-say-if-you-dont-believe-in-me-you-go-to-hell
288  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 22, 2015, 04:11:23 AM
BADecker, you have yet to contradict my notion that it is not the BEING of Jesus that has any merit, but rather his Oneness with God:

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It is not my being which has any merit--it is my oneness with Creator which is represented in your language as "Christ Knowing"--the label makes no difference be it pronounced differently in all and every language. I repeat something that you perhaps missed in your following of incorrect information givers. EXCEPT THROUGH ME (CHRIST ACTIONS AS GIVEN IN BALANCE; THE LAWS OF HARMONY AND BALANCE OF THE GREAT SPIRIT AND MOTHER/FATHER CREATION/CREATOR), SHALL YE PASS INTO THE PERFECTION OF THE SO-CALLED HOUSE OF GOD.

When God told you He created you in His image, that image is pure unadulterated Light. If you seek to just "sit there", it is wickedness and your works are exposed as sloth.

Jesus simply does not say here that those who do not believe in him will go to hell.

Rather, he says that he is the only way to the Father. It is an assumption and an interpretation that this means that the pathway he provides to the Father is available only to those who believe in him.

To use a rather prosaic example, if I drive on a road that goes to Denver, it is not necessary for me to believe in the governmental entity that built and maintains that road, or even to have any idea at all about who built the road. It is sufficient for me to drive on the road, and I'll get to Denver.

Similarly, if the Son has provided a pathway to the Father, that doesn't necessarily require that we intellectually believe in the Son; only that we travel the path that the Son has provided.
289  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 22, 2015, 03:52:11 AM
You MUST turn your life around to be saved. The more you try, the more you find that you can't do it 100% as is required. Meditating on the law shows you that you can't keep the law. Even if you could, you won't.
This is not the main conclusion that one gets after meditating upon the law.
So, because you cannot do everything all at once, you may as well stop meditating? You may as well stop trying and "sit back" to wait for your "savior"?

Now, consider that slothfulness is a sin! You need to do work to get anywhere, and God's kingdom is no different. You need to actually go out and show that love to thy neighbor, you can't just "sit there"!

"And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God." (John 3:19-21, bold added)

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Since you don't keep the law, you are damned. The next step is to find the way to be saved, the gift of God through faith in Jesus Christ His son.

You say that you are damned unless you are saved by Jesus.
Jesus simply does not say that those who do not believe in him will go to hell (see above, my chat with MMH).
290  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 22, 2015, 03:39:48 AM
I'm not going to waste my time arguing about someone who takes their religious teachings from an "alien". I don't agree with you.
You would rather take your teachings from Man's book than from the Master Christos?
You think that it is impossible for Christ to teach through a scribe in this day and age?

I am posting the answers of educated Christians who have no awareness of Hatonn and Sananda, surely you should have a lot in common with them, and you should be able to correct their errors if there is disagreement; when I quote someone in this post, it is one of those who answered that question on SE; no need to attack my beliefs when these are representative of educated Christians:

Jesus saves us,
Where did he say that?
"Jesus does not say that the kingdom of God is external to you or that it is a destination that one reaches only after physical death, but that it is within you--present in this very life at this very moment. Perhaps, then, it would be wise to consider that both "heaven" and "hell" as they are traditionally conceived (as eternal, external states of being) are, in actuality, inner states of mind or soul that are generated by actions in this life."

In this light, let’s consider the beginning of the Gospel of Thomas:

“Jesus said, If your leaders say to you, ‘Behold, the kingdom is in the sky,’ then the birds in the sky will get there before you. If they say to you, ‘It is in the sea,’ then the fish will get there before you. Rather, the kingdom is inside you and outside you. When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and embody poverty” (Saying 3).

and demons have to bow down to Him.
We do not disagree; the darkness hates the light, there is no doubt; however, consider the words of that one who incarnated as Emmanuel:

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?' Then I will declare to them solemnly, 'I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.'" (Matthew 7: 17-23)
AND:
"Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it." (John 14:8-14)

"Notice that Jesus does not say anything here about those who do not believe in him, but only about what will happen for those who do believe in him. Clearly, belief in him brings great benefits of light and power and access to the Father, meaning God.

But Jesus simply does not say here that those who do not believe in him will go to hell.

Rather, he says that he is the only way to the Father. It is an assumption and an interpretation that this means that the pathway he provides to the Father is available only to those who believe in him.

To use a rather prosaic example, if I drive on a road that goes to Denver, it is not necessary for me to believe in the governmental entity that built and maintains that road, or even to have any idea at all about who built the road. It is sufficient for me to drive on the road, and I'll get to Denver.

Similarly, if the Son has provided a pathway to the Father, that doesn't necessarily require that we intellectually believe in the Son; only that we travel the path that the Son has provided.

We are not a god.
God resides within you; Emmanuel said it.

Your teachings are not Christian.
Emmanuel did not say "God resides within you"?
291  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 22, 2015, 03:22:44 AM
That's BADecker's point. Christianity teaches salvation by grace, not by works and it's not a minor difference, it's the main message.

It is wishful thinking to "sit around" and be saved just by your "belief", which is really nothing at all; it is not like you are actually using that belief to "meditate upon God's law day and night" in order to be blessed (Psalms 1).

Plus, it is not Biblical. "It is never mere lack of belief in Jesus (as that is usually understood today) that he said would cause a person to go to hell. Merely believing, or not believing, in Jesus is not sufficient to save or damn a person, as many passages show."

In Matthew and Luke, "Jesus does not say that these cities would be brought down to Hades because they didn't believe in him. Instead, he says that this would happen because they didn't repent."

Now, even BADecker has told me that I must turn my life around according to what Jesus tells me; however, this sounds to me like another way of saying that one does have to obey God's Law and make effort towards that end after all! Is it not said "All have fallen short of God's glory"?

God is all-forgiving mercy, and he resides within YOU; thus, you will EARN your spiritual unity by standing responsible for obeying the laws of God, not by some "belief" that tricks you into thinking that someone else has taken responsibility for YOU.

I have asked and asked and asked, and neither MMH nor BADecker have anything to say in response to the intelligent Christians who have posted their answers to this question on SE, nor do these two care to answer my questions about how a "savior" is magical thinking, or to contradict my notion that it is not the BEING of Jesus that has any merit, but rather his Oneness with God:

http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/15353/did-jesus-actually-ever-say-if-you-dont-believe-in-me-you-go-to-hell
292  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 22, 2015, 02:06:40 AM
The main problem with religion is everyone thinks their god is THE god.   Undecided

But how can you blame them? They're taught to believe in their God and told what to believe ever since they were a child. It's very hard to change someone's views when they've been told the same thing their whole life.

Sure, it may be true for some, but it is not true for all people;
some people come to believe in ONE God through their own efforts at self-education.
I am an example of one who formerly did not believe, but sought the truth and did find it;
it is not all that unusual, my friend; not everyone who believes is brainwashed from birth. Wink
There are even famous atheists who change their way of thinking; one example is:

Antony Flew, a champion of atheist beliefs for more than 50 years. In a news article titled "Atheist Discovers 'The Science of God'": "One of Britain's most prominent atheists has decided that God might exist after all. Professor Antony Flew now believes there is scientific evidence supporting the theory of some sort of intelligence behind the creation the universe. Professor Flew, 81, a professor emeritus of philosophy at the University of Reading, said that this was the only explanation for the origin of life ... "I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots - cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said in his new video, "Has Science Discovered God?"

The problem with religion is that it attempts to separate the human from God;
God resides within you, everyone is capable of following the golden rule, it is ingrained into human consciousness.
All monotheists acknowledge only ONE God, so they are really all talking about the same intelligence as described by Anthony Flew above.
293  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 22, 2015, 01:24:52 AM
They need to find the salvation of Jesus.

Jesus went through a lot of trouble and pain, and even death, to save us all. People are important.
Salvation?  Huh

So you would not need do anything save sit and wait and somehow just to believe HE existed and you would be scooped into the clouds and escape all confrontation with the truth of your actions?
294  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 21, 2015, 08:05:53 PM
There is no doubt, He has not come back yet.
There is no doubt according to your book of visions and allegories, you mean...

Shall we see what the Journals say about this? Luckily for us, the words can be taken literally!

I, Hatonn, serve as a Commander in house with Sananda (who was recognized as A Christed being upon your placement). He was a messenger--A TEACHER! He has attained his level of progression into the oneness with God Perfection and he went forth as a Host to prepare a placement for each and all of you who would come home to Source. He perfected His portion--however, YOU were to prepare a place for his return in that which you call “second coming”--YOU HAVE NOT DONE YOUR PORTION! Instead, you have projected through the lies of the false teachers that you would not need do anything save sit and wait and somehow just to believe HE existed that you would be scooped into the clouds and escape all confrontation with the truth of your actions--BAD NEWS!--IT WON‟T BE THUSLY SO!

I, Hatonn, come as Commander of those Hosts to prepare receivers for that “Coming” for it is so that the Kingdom of God, Creation of/by God shall be reclaimed. I Command from a starship of massive size, alongside Sananda (Jesus/Buddha/The Cristos) for he is both MY son and myself. He is not yet upon your Earth in any form of manifestation as you would recognize and you have not prepared his placement. The name of the starship Command is the Phoenix for it is the symbol of the rebirth and the renewal of the tribes of winged beings--the Cosmic races who travel through space. My LOGO, if you will, is the symbol of the Phoenix within a triangle--representing the triune of existence and infinity thereof.

I am labeled Commander of the United Federation Fleet/Inter-Galactic Federation Command in direct reporting to the Federation Higher Council of Intra-Planetary Constellations. I am hampered by time, restricting how much my scribe can produce in Earthly time limitations. When you demand response from me--YOU DEMAND THAT THIS SCRIBE GET NO REST WHATSOEVER FOR WRITING IS ONLY A PITTANCE MEASURE OF HER TASKS IN PREPARATION FOR THE “RETURN”.

How do I know that you do not do your homework? Because I respond to each and every inquiry or if it be for another entity, it is accepted and given response--YOU DO NOT HEAR IT! What you do, as in this instance, is expect very Earthly response so what, actually, do you expect? Dharma does not claim anything save fatigue at a task beyond description--YOU WANT GOD TO BE YOUR OWN REFLECTION AND YET YOU ONES CANNOT BEAR IT IF GOD TURNS OUT TO BE THAT REFLECTION--YOU ONES HAD BEST GO PONDER THIS POINT! I, Hatonn, Commander, do not even pretend to cover all resources--it is my job to bring forth the “Truth” according to God’s LAST AND FINAL PROMISE! YOU WILL DO WITH IT THAT WHICH YOU WILL.
295  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 21, 2015, 07:50:15 PM
No, I am quite filled with the Holy Spirit to lead me towards the one true Lord. Following His commandments and confessing to the Lord (not a priest) as Jesus told us to do. The bible clearly says Jesus is coming on the clouds and all eyes will see.

You cannot say that God's kingdom will be "here" or "there" because the Kingdom of God is within you! Therefore, forgiveness has to begin within self for that is where God resides. All manner of error comes from the attempt to separate self from God;

If you hear a voice that gives you "discernment" without you so much as having to read anything, and allows you to judge entire books by the cover alone, then undoubtedly you are living in an illusion, and you will perish for lack of knowledge.

There is no doubt, He has not come back yet.
There is no doubt according to your book of visions and allegories, you mean...


Au contraire. Jesus said He was the way, the truth and the life and no one should get to the Father but through Him. We are still following Jesus, who is making a place for us and going to return.
You have the wrong interpretation.

It is not his being which has any merit, it is his Oneness with God, which is called "Christ Knowing";
he came to show us the path but his being was not the path itself;
he was a man who tried to teach truth, and it can be proven by asking a few rational questions:

MMH, I don't believe you have answered my questions on this subject; I will repeat 4 of the 6 questions that I asked you:

1) where did Emmanuel actually suggest he was my savior?
2) how is such a belief not magical thinking?
3) how can you still have full responsibility for your life if someone else has taken that burden?
4) why didn't Emmanuel explicitly say that one must believe in him and accept him as one’s “personal savior” to get to “heaven” while he was alive over and over again?
296  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 19, 2015, 08:10:52 PM
Like I said, my advice is to read ALL EVIDENCE and ALL teachings and then you can judge in wisdom of knowledge and discern for yourself which one(s) are valid truth, AFTER YOU DO SOME THINKING. God does not stop you from educating yourself or thinking for yourself; indeed, God's people die for lack of knowledge.

Quote from: BitNow
So: you think you have solved a problem people is trying to solve since 5700 years ago?
Yes; and so what?? Science is powerful, and so is logic. My proof is just an updated rendering of Plato's Allegory of the Cave (Plato was aware about life-after-death).

"What are the Laws of God and Creation?" is another ancient question, and it is sufficiently addressed in Phoenix Journal #27, which was only published near the end of the previous century. "Keep asking, and it will be given to you. Keep searching, and you will find."

A reminder: To be rational means that you can intelligently evaluate new ideas when presented.
Has anyone intelligently evaluated the evidence and teachings that I have humbly presented?
Apparently, "faith" is easier and so is "doubt". These teachings are simply too much of a new paradigm that otherwise intelligent people will dismiss them offhand; same with the scientific evidence for rebirth.

Hard facts of reality:
YOU are your Savior. And the good news is YOU will EARN your way into God's Grace by standing responsible for self and obeying THE LAWS OF GOD/CREATION. It is really so simple.

EACH and every one of you Human Beings carries with you the TEMPLE OF GOD WITHIN YOU! You are the temple. And so with this truth in mind you might ask yourselves, WHERE do YOU take God in your life journey? So you must not place the attainment and hoarding of "worldly" treasures above the attainment of your spiritual wisdom and perfection lest ye "die" in the darkness of spiritual poverty.


I am not going to bother with this thread anymore since anyone can proclaim that "God is dead" or "Jesus is your savior" or "nothing comes after death" and think that they don't have to explain themselves; others will ask questions but will not follow-up on the answers that I provide. I appreciate the efforts of thefaucetrunner and anyone who tries to use reason. I will not repeat myself and I wait for intelligent replies ONLY. Thank YOU.

Search the contents of Phoenix Journals here:
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/site_search.html
297  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 19, 2015, 07:16:58 PM
You die and you just die there's nothing after it. The vital processes that make you live just stop nothing dramatic after that

52 points of evidence suggest otherwise.
www.near-death.com/evidence.html
298  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 19, 2015, 07:07:27 PM
4b) If God resides within you, then how can the Pope be the representative of God?
God is dead.
BitNow is a total hypocrite; he has the honor of being the first one to make it to my ignore list.
299  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 19, 2015, 07:04:23 PM
I wont be believe in god, the pope, or the teachings until someone can prove to me its real.  

I have a concise logical proof demonstrating that God exists based on definitions; please tell me which step of the proof you disagree with.

My proof defines God sufficiently, and yes it is based on external (observable, scientific) evidence; if my definition is missing something, you can point it out explicitly, hopefully after reading the proof carefully to understand the logic.

My definition: A supreme being who is the founder and guarantor of knowledge.
My proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.5300

My advice is to read ALL teachings and then you can judge in wisdom of knowledge and discern for yourself which one(s) are valid truth.
300  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: September 19, 2015, 07:24:26 AM
The Journals are free. Print them out if you wish; the paper emits less EMF than your computer screen.

Emmanuel tried to teach the truth nearly 2,000 years ago, and he never once suggested that he was my "savior". That is a deception of the adversary because no one can take responsibility for another when it comes to obeying God's Laws--that is magical thinking and it is totally against all reason and also contrary to Psalms 1 where it says that one is blessed if one "meditates upon God's Law day and night"; a "savior" is also synonymous with the idea that one is separate from God, which is not true because "God resides within you".

Let us again review what fundamentalists like BADecker are saying:

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"You need do NOTHING to receive God's Blessings and Grace". (Sounds a bit like the "just BE" philosophy of many New Agers, does it not?) "We humans believe we must "work" to earn God's Grace. This is NOT true. We must accept CHRIST as our Savior. HE has taken our burden for us." There is the catch; Christ has taken responsibility for YOU! Do you see how deceptive the adversary is? "God will take care of you. You need do nothing. You are not responsible. Christ is your Savior"...ad nauseam!

You call these Journals stupid, but you make that claim in total ignorance (you have not read any Journal), just like you believe that all of history aligns to your worldview and your magical thinking--it is totally wishful thinking and willful ignorance. How nice that you don't have to think about information and rationally evaluate it.

Since the Phoenix Journals are free, it seems to me like your salary depends on you not understanding certain things, like the concept of magical thinking and the fact that Man has tampered with the Bible on many occasions.
By the way, you have failed to reply to my questions here; I am tired of having to re-state them:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg12423520#msg12423520
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