According to http://bitcoin.sipa.be/, it seems some big miners will purposely slow down the hashing just before the difficulty adjusting to reduce the jump? Although I know that does not make much sense, since what they get is based on their hash rate percentage, not the difficulty. Maybe they are just doing that to save the environment. I'm seeing the opposite on that graph. Looks like the difficulty growth levels out for a day or so after each adjustment. That would be consistent with people looking at their mining revenue after an adjustment and deciding to shut down their rigs. I think both of you are seeing patterns where none exist (which is a typical human thing to do). There is no incentive to shut down hashing just prior to a difficulty adjustment. The effect on the new difficulty is minimal and you lose more from lost mining time than from the marginally lower difficulty. Additionally, the only reason to shut down a rig is when the electricity cost outweighs the income. While many rigs may not be profitable anymore in the sense that they won't earn back their purchase price, all ASICs are still making more coins than they cost to keep running, so there's no reason to turn off an ASIC that you have running. And by now, the fraction of GPU-miners is so low that GPUs being turned off isn't going to make a noticeable dent in the charts. I guess hashrate reduces slightly because a part of miners swithes to PPCoin for a day or two. |
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битфури сказал, зачем переходить - чтоб позлить и потролить форумных тролей  Джош тоже любит злить и тролить форумных тролей. Только они оба при этом забывают, что часть этих тролей - люди заплатившие за устройства своими деньгами, рассчитав ожидаемую прибыль на основе данных о производительности, энергопотреблении и сроках, которые на деле оказались пиздежом. Так что злить тролей необязательно - они и так злые. давайте я лично у вас по той цене, по которой вы заказали повыкупаю платы, идет ? устройство ведь не такое - плохое получилось... ну вот берите биткоины, и в следующий раз обязательно найдете лучше. кстати устройство действительно тепла больше выделяет - где-то 2.3 W / GH/s от сети - но - это потому, что КПД низкое получилось - зато - компоненты нашлись, и хеши будут разные - у кого 112, у кого 123. так что если не нравится - с удовольствием верну 22 BTC за 120 GH/s и заберу устройство себе, а вы на 22 BTC сможете купить через несколько недель чипов, и сделать лучше - хешей будет больше :-) или вложить в kncminer или hashfast или bfl - в любой - по выбору :-)))) Спасибо за предложение. Я вложил 1.5 BTC в групповую покупку устройств Метабанка. Учитывая то, что сумма небольшая, а также то, что я биткойны за деньги никогда не покупал и изначально был готов их потерять, сам не жалуюсь. Cчитаю, что 22 BTC в данный момент адекватная цена за один метабанковский майнер с учетом того, что они еще не существуют. И это еще повезло, что 100ТН не запустился, иначе было бы совсем грустно. Основные претензии связаны не с технической частью, а с тем, что вы активно рекламировали свой чип в ветке Метабанка, но при этом как-то ни разу прямо не ответили на вопрос о том, кто правообладатель и у кого какие права и доли в разных партиях. При этом ваши мотивы вполне понятны: какой дурак будет заказывать у Метабанка, если в Украине устройства будут раньше? P.S. В kncminer и hashfast я также вложил, посмотрим что выйдет. У BFL недавно получил рефанд 1,8 BTC при том что заплатил в марте 2,2 P.P.S. Hashfast, кстати, обещает поставить каждому покупателю дополнительно в 4 раза больше хешрейта, если устройства не окупятся за 90 дней. Интересно, Метабанк готов сделать такое предложение? |
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Насчет теплопакета - как-то он все равно лучший из того что есть на рынке ;-) И на окупаемость это в ближайшем горизонте не влияет никак. Энергоэффективность - это на закуску для борьбы с 28nm а не для понтов.
Вообще-то энергоэффективность прямо влияет на цену платы, следовательно и на окупаемость. Угадайте, от кого я это слышал? Ну и как следствие, чтобы такого больше не повторялось - надо работать проще - никаких более предзаказов. Это пожалуй идеальное решение. Есть товар, есть деньги, нет товара - нет денег. И никаких соплей про предзаказы, инвестиции, "серьезный бизнес", днем позже днем раньше, и прочую хрень, и про то что потом получилось не то на что раскаталась губа аля окупаемость видите-ли полтора месяца а не две недели  ))))))))))). Так что как кто-то просил - будут майнеры на полках :-)))) и будет их достаточно по нормальной для них цене :-) Вот это дело. В идеале - как Асикмайнер планируют: майнер платит залог, который постепенно ему возвращается за вычетом (мощность устройства / сложность) * (процент производителя). Если будет такая модель, запишите меня первым в очередь |
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Сказали же вам, он теперь супермэн: захочет - 100Тх запустит, захочет - будет общаться на украинском. До этого писал такие же простыни на русском в треде Метабанка, а теперь его там уже заждались, а он оказывается вот где P.S. Почитал... чіп
не можливо
вирогідно
здобучі
користувачей
найголовне
аккі
PS. Раджу перейти на рідну мову - тому що на російській є декілька проплачених тролів, які зайдуть сюди гадити. Подивимось чи добре в них вийде збагнути що тут написане - хай ще повчать рідну мову, чи запросять додаткову оплату в своїх хазяїв на перекладача :-))))
Чуваче, повчи сам рідну мову, або переходь вже на російську, бо це фейспалм. |
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Besides [...] gaining ROI [...]
In criminal law, fraud is intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FraudWelcome to scammers club, friedcat! |
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Meanwhile, only 46 left in stock and it's decreasing very quickly. I could find 4 more spare BTC if this helps to order faster.
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TXID: 1b3761d625136ae8e490c9b3ea2983ba3713f540c472ac167f2e6c2ba2692073
Address: 1MBZnWAqKDQu1mQFnffvLqxHRGc5g3BKWG
1 HashFast group buy share
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HATcQlCmf4NulqWWeqHiPhReZVSg6Qv/xj5K++B2GUuYtMt8KPrDS9jVCxb5qxzpzizWF1H2x8rwvgmH+T8xCAs=
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Finally gave up and requested a refund. Oct 4th trade in for 60 GH unit. Since it was only ~$750 and I paid with PayPal, ROI was looking pretty good even with the delays. Now that I see how slow the singles are trickling out, I think I'd make a few hundred bucks, but not worth it any more. No way is that thing shipping out this month, much less the 30GH I ordered in April right before the price increase.
Orders paid with PayPal should have no problems at all. Just email directly to PP and report fraud: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=266945.0 |
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Something happened with my GoogleAuth. I get "invalid or reused" error all the time for about 24 hours now. I haven't changed/reset any authentication data since I registered. Authentication works for other sites, so the problem must be on your side. My sesion has expired now, so I can't submit a support request.
Check Time/Date of your GoogleAuth device It was the first thing I checked. Time is correct. Also, I have NTP sync installed and network connection almost all time on the device. Plus other sites accept passwords from the same device. Not sure... All I can say is works for me...   Edit/Add: Are you in Russia? https://btct.co/gauthfaq#russiaNevermind, now it works again. Don't know what the problem was. It stopped working suddenly and then started again. |
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Its hard to decide if take refund when you can receive the unit anytime.
Not anytime. You can estimate time left by their shipping log https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/Order rate can be estimated from here http://bfl.ptz.ro/In my case the order was 3 months ahead of currently shipping order date, so I definitely couldn't get it 'anytime'. |
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Something happened with my GoogleAuth. I get "invalid or reused" error all the time for about 24 hours now. I haven't changed/reset any authentication data since I registered. Authentication works for other sites, so the problem must be on your side. My sesion has expired now, so I can't submit a support request.
Check Time/Date of your GoogleAuth device It was the first thing I checked. Time is correct. Also, I have NTP sync installed and network connection almost all time on the device. Plus other sites accept passwords from the same device. |
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Похоже, это первая цивилизованная компания на рынке. До них все сообщения от производителей можно было заменить одной фразой: "Идите нахуй, мы работаем. Устройства будут, когда будут." |
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Something happened with my GoogleAuth. I get "invalid or reused" error all the time for about 24 hours now. I haven't changed/reset any authentication data since I registered. Authentication works for other sites, so the problem must be on your side. My sesion has expired now, so I can't submit a support request.
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t13hydra's order was placed and paid more that a month after zefir's second batch. Come back in a couple of weeks |
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I have nothing to add, just read my posts in this thread. I'll describe the whole process in one post as soon as I reach my PC.
UPD. So the whole process with timeline.
Monday. Requested the refund by email. Told them I was aware of their "sales final" policy and still insisted the refund. Told them I would file complaints to BBB and AG. Asked for refund via the same method the order was paid, i.e. bitcoins.
Wednesday. Sent a copy through BFL online contact form.
Sunday. Filed online complaints to BBB and AG Kansas. Enclosed my invoice from BFL.
Tuesday. Received a reply asking for my BTC address. Gave one. Received email stating they had asked BitPay to refund. Received BTC.
Once again, both payment and refund are payed at fixed USD price. Invoice is in USD. Amount of BTC in both cases is determined by BitPay's instant rate.
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Just to make it clear. They refunded the same amount in USD which I had paid. The amount of BTC I received is essentially different from what I paid.
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Anyway, their statement of "sales final" doesn't apply in case of several months of not delivering and they know it.
Agree 100% What I am wondering is: -Did BFL get enough pressure (or finally wake the fuck up) and are starting to honour refunds and they are trying to keep it as quite as possible to stem the flow so to speak (ya unlikely I know but I have to consider it as possible) -Did your pressure aid in getting you only a refund (did you file a complaint with any government agencies?) -Was this a mistake or something like that on BFL's part I told them in my first email that I was going to file complaints and I actually did it to BBB and Attorney General (see my above posts) but I don't think it worked so fast (I filed them on Sunday I think). At the BBB site http://www.bbb.org/kansas-city/Business-Reviews/electronic-equipment-and-supplies-wholesale-and-manufacturers/bf-labs-inc-in-overland-park-ks-1000002011/complaints, there were already 7 complaints before me. I don't think refund was their mistake because when running a multi-million dollar company, you would definitely refund those $187 instead of dealing with another BBB complaint. |
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Received the coins. It took 8 days since my first email to them. Expected this to be much harder.
Was there any correspondence from BFL you could share with us? It is weird that they seemingly so easily gave you a BTC refund after they have been publicly stating for a few months now no refunds will be honoured. I am curious why you are the only non PP customer I have seen recently get a refund. Nothing special in the correspondence. They just asked for BTC address, then told that they have requested BitPay to process my refund, and then I received the coins. Maybe that was so easy because I only had 1 Jalapeno. Anyway, their statement of "sales final" doesn't apply in case of several months of not delivering and they know it. |
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Received the coins. It took 8 days since my first email to them. Expected this to be much harder.
P.S. Just to make it clear. They refunded the same amount in USD which I had paid. The amount of BTC I received is essentially different from what I paid.
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