Anyone else get emails from Bitmain on products already shipped and delivered?

Got a couple emails dated today...on equip and psu I got last month...(go figure?)

Anyway, as a 'thought experiment', what would/could you do if they sent you them again?

I heard in USA, you are not responsible for 'unpaid' equip arriving on your doorstep you did not order'

Anyone else but bitmain (evil) I'd just send it back...them...er ....conflicted....

Anyway, thoughts or clarity on any of the above

I guess this is kinda 'off topic' unless they send me duplicate orders......then it would be WAY on topic indeed

Anyway, thought it was weird as heck.....

you can also look at the dark side to all above in this manner

communism (feudalism serfs)

fascism (good old Nazi's)

capitalism (oligarchy....ie banana republic)

sometimes I think I should get some land someplace ..put up a tiny house and have nothing to do with 'humans' whatever we touch we muck it up in some manner

And by then they will take  BTC!

(round us up ....use the $5 wrench password extractor...and take out our BTC to fund the for-profit Jail mode)



Win/Win/Win

Win (Banker's happy and established centralized monetary control thrilled)

Win (Politicians happy......banker funding assured...power also centralized)

Win (For-Profit Jail folk happy...bunch of 'nerds' easy to guard if given Internet access)

Well, you are screwed then ...this whole group of folk on bitcointalk are 'undesirables' in the sense we want to over throw the
established banking era

yeah, this is gonna work well in us/you/me not hitting the border before they shoot us off to a camp for our safety...

sh*t we'd so be the first rounded up, if for no other reason than below to get our btc before we are 'concentrated' as it were

If you can get it back in 2 weeks more power to you. A couple people here and a friend it took more than a month and 1 guy 2 months.

this was for L3+'s this last summer. Even a month is likely too long for chipping away at the likely NO ROI on these D3 beasties...

anyway, hopefully, I'm wrong and stuff has improved on returns massively, .(others? anyone send any bitmain product in? turnaround?)

such numbers in the USA are our soc sec number as a private individual or a biz number of some kind

call them up, I suspect it is something like that..they just want to track it to you as an individual..

when I got such calls ...all I had to do is prove I was me in the above manner, and address, phone number and usually they had a fee involved (sigh)

good luck.not sure how this applies in France ..but how it works in my part of USA

not so sure the warranty matters much at this point in time...IF you want to ROI and say a board goes out...and it takes a month or more
it is all moot probably by that time...due to difficulty vs price

The only way I'll send anything in..is like say on day 172 out of my 180 day warranty..just for the frack of it

I mean, its always possible price could revive the equip at that point (look at how many A2's got turned back on after 1 year due to this years

price pump from 4.15 ltc to 50 buck ltc)

but, long odds on fixing this stuff and a long turn around


Also, all bitmain stuff is OC'd imho, it is just where they start the process...ie 15gh was the spec...and suddenly they got 17.5 gh out of it and informed us of such

ie....just 0C'd because they considered it 'stable' ..it may be for some folk....but ..imho ...it really was made for 15gh....or so I tell myself getting only 16gh vs the 17.5gh

folk may get besides me now

it is an old asic mnfg game....knc did it ....was designed at 250mh  for their titan knc scrypt miners.....late to arrive..so they overclocked it to 300mh...then dies were bad
and they had a warranty of returns if less than 300mh....

so they overclocked them again by upgrading the firmware (you could not previously do this...they stated anything over 300mh voided warranty)

funny a firmware fix got them out of the hole...not having to meet their 300mh stable warranty requirements with these tricks

it was so bad that the voltage plug that burns out on titan cubes was beyond specs for voltage when all was said and done ..thus the knc y adapter needed

anyway, my view..it was designed for 15gh ...I ordered thinking it was 15gh ..they say it is now 17.5gh ..I get 16gh .....got to take this all with a grain of salt

if you get 17.5 more power to you...but I bet just as many get less than that as get the spec of 17.5gh

again, imho

 

Looking ugly. Using this calc I get $21.59 per day now.

 This is before the next equip dumps. Also, this is at 17.5gh and 12c kWh.

https://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/dash-mining-calculator/?h=17500&p=950.00&pc=0.12&pf=0.00&d=8264827.90405388&r=1.80147602&er=0.04741668&btcer=5932.68760000&hc=0.00

gonna be looking at 10 bucks a day soon.....this sucks.....


On a side note....is this now the strategy a person uses with Bitmain OVERCLOCKING their D3's and/or other equip?

Bitmain states: 17.5gh from 15gh.

You Ignore: 15gh original specs is what you run it at really.

Bitmain states: 19.2gh from 17.5gh.

You Ignore: 17.5gh original specs is what you run it at really.

Seems to be the trend, imho, Bitmain being "evil" and all

*currently barely keeping my D3 Bitmain spec'd at 17.5gh running at 16gh.


edit: perhaps there is a newer firmware patch I'm not aware of past the Sept date on mine?

Yeah, a direct relationship between BTC price pumps and the amount of Panic FUD.

Also, the news media cleans up for these stories for eyeballs to their sites or newsprint mags

mon, tues, wens you talk about BTC and crypto pump in price and yell MOON

fri, sat, sun you talk about how it is all a bubble and a bust.....

2x the market ..2 diff perspectives...2x the amount of press you can sell

rinse/wash/repeat

would be fun to see BTC hit 10k in a week..then the powers that be would literally lose their frigging mind on the FUD

Ditto. Though I still work 3x a week in a house of Dev Disabled folk, I figure I can have 3 days of work, and 4 days off, in a row, looking at the stuff I need to fix on the house vs
looking at the house for 7 days and no work...and procrastinating on fixing stuff. (heh...too true) on the 4 days I have off...not a big deal

I suppose, if I stall long enough.....and BTC hits 10k I can have the work done on the house.....so I just have to stall long enough that it matters...progress!

My Job is 11 hr shifts, and anything over 31 hrs is full time with benefits, over nites, so told them Thurs, Fri, Sat or I'm gone....they took my revised schedule.

But then again, 4 days off need to fix house...so far its been a stalemate.....it sits unfixed and I sit also in silent protest/procrastination....equilibrium..karma

but yeah, the not getting fired thing works for me too, all my pay from the wage slave job now goes into health insurances and company 401k for giggles, live off mining.

So, even if you guys here all, do get to a point you can quit your jobs, you got to do something....me....I can do this yet as a public service or go volunteer for 'habitat for humanity" and

let the inner nerd in me loose with power tools....(that could end badly) anyway, good to have options...I'll likely live longer

From what I was told Baikal is an FPGA and the firmware can be modded by software. I was told that it is not the case for ASIC's.

I know knc made a scrypt N mod from Scrypt but don't know the circumstances back in the day with knc titans

but anyway, seems to be other protocols besides x11 we are out of luck




I ORDERED mine in SEPT and have one DELIVERED in November....so I HOPE that mine shows up at the faster speed. (knock wood). Is that the case do you think?

Of course, at the rate returns on x11 coins is dropping we need a pretty big coin price pump or it is all moot anyway.

The $100 a day did not last long. By the time mine arrived it was $60 a day and rapidly dropping.

At 12c kWh I’m making $23 a day now. Also bitmain quality has gone
Down. With no errors I’m only stable at 16.5mh with tweaking to keep
It there every other day.

These units are as prissy as a KNC Titan.

Anyway. Temper your expectations.

Take me! (How big a bitcoin boat will I need to dock there?...hoard that is)

I've had friends with our situation....they got nowhere...w/o a private msg via a blockchain on your btc address you likely are screwed

hope I'm wrong...give it a shot...but don't get your hopes up

(sorry for your loss)

which pool
me prohashing

I ave 16.5. No more 😔

RESERVED

(In case they DO get consensus in a month for a post by the OP)

My guessing on calcs with electric and a guess on difficulty at my winter rate of 12c kWh

Imho, you need a least $90 LTC or more, using that scrypt coin as an example to break even....and that may be low.

I'm including all electric use for 12 months and the bitmain PSU and shipping etc at the current $2040 rate.

Again, this is off the cuff and I used the www.litecoinpool/calc for ease of use at 101% and no fee.

Likely, you would do 10-15% better on a multipool like Nicehash or Prohashing

So LTC needs to pump to $90 to $100 bucks or my KNC Titans may finally be 'doorstops' with the L3's soon after.

Feel free to correct me, if I'm being too optimistic or pessimistic on this. This is a 'seat of the pants' calc and guess.




Bitmain could release an L5+ or whatever. But again, imho, it would be to get better equip to their data hall first (3 months to us say) and
also for their hashnet of pow/scrypt and of course their bet that this would make sense also on a $90 to $100 buck LTC or equiv scrypt pow price.

But as a consumer product as the only consideration, they can just continue to run these out like toasters (S9 Bitmain BTC miner) and adjust price

up/down/sideways as prudent. Myself, I expect them to sell L3+'s into middle of 2018, at reduced prices sure....but they now control 80% or more, of all

ASIC manufacturing for sha-256 (BTC) scrypt-pow (LTC and majority of altcoins) and now x11 (dash)

so the question becomes, they have a 'captive audience' for mining equipment ..so why push new equipment, when the only alternative is the market

the share of 'old designs' you control?

anyway, I know zip.....just saying....

  What happens after the SegWit2+2mb fork, IF one fork finally gets 51% consensus?

  In other words, assume for a moment the sake of argument, that consensus is reached after the segwit2+2mb fork in November.

  Thus in this Unicorn Land of Fairy Dust/Sunbeams/etc. We finally get consensus on protocol and scaling!

  I'm NOT taking a side here. But curious on what folk think would be the result of a grand compromise and true protocol win of 51% plus
 
  by whichever bitcoin flavor/dev camp. Be it BTC/BCH/SegWit2+2mb etc?

  Price? Results of a united front against Gov't FUD? Just a warm fuzzy feeling and BTC price goes sideways?

  Take the poll. But it strikes me as this would be truly epic, if everyone was on the same page for ONE protocol, like say

  the Litecoin solution and roundtable compromise, on their version of Segregated Witness.

  (I know, I know, but a guy can dream the impossible right?)

  Anyway, again your views and vote on a future where the BTC scaling controversy is resolved, what would that mean in reality?



 





  Post your what ifs and/or whatever in the thread and consider taking the poll on your suspected REAL price with this scaling issue SOLVED!

  (I really, really want a Unicorn Dream of all the devs and forks getting on the same page...again it would be epic!)

er....

I may have typed too soon. This is "Bitmain" the odds of a real refund on anything is dubious at best (ie when pigs fly) but what the heck if 'wishes were horses,
we'd all take a ride"

but late or not imho, bitmain will just have you stick to your part of the purchase even if they are late, imho (again,hope I am wrong)