Yes, I agree, the best crypto money Ethereum that comes after than Bitcoin. Bitcoin speculations didn't give the opportunity to increase the price of ETH, and at the end of this year ETH's closing at $ 700 will not surprise anyone. ETH investors have waited so long, patiently, will reach the goal.
I would be slightly surprised if Ethereum went up much more by the end of this year. All the ERC20 ICOs are dumping their Ethereum to fund their projects which stops ETH from going up a lot. I think it take some more months to happen.It will not happen in a two months and all.Even it will happen only of the number of user invest in ETH is increased suddenly.Even I had invested some dollar in ETH also.If the price increase mean,I will sell that ETH and get some more dollar. it is really impossible to reach this value until the end of the year.
at the end of the year the ethereum will come to $ 400
But I think if the investor in ETH will increase means,the price will move upto 500$ . The thing is, there is no good reason to invest in ETH. It's meant to be used, not to be held as an investment. The value will probably increase over time, but it would need a lot of new users on the ERC20 blockchain to significantly drive its value up, simply because it's more profitable to invest your Ethereum than to keep it. |
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I can speculate that BCH might go down in the near term while simultaneously being a big block supporter.
You can simultaneously pretend to be an expert while being a con artist. Yes, we are well aware of that.  Don't bother ragnar0k. JBreher will just hand-wave those ramblings of their CEO madman away as unimportant and ignore you.
They need an updated whitepaper, "A CEO-to-Peer Electronic Cash System". That sure sounds like Satoshi's vision for "the real" Bitcoin.  |
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My bitcoi s was always in secure paper wallets which I can see my private keys. If you are in doubt of what you should do to get you post-fork coins i reccomend for you to store at any wallet which you can control your private keys and withdraw then of all exchanges or hot wallets.
I think during forks bitcoins that are stored on a paper wallet will not be awarded with the new token. You should put your bitcoins into a wallet that will support the new coin to make sure that you will have it during the fork. As long as you have access to your private keys it doesn't matter where you store your Bitcoin during forks. You will just have to use the private key in the respective wallet to pick up your coins. It doesn't matter where we store them indeed since it's not on an exchange or an online wallet but then in a safe wallet where we can generate and hold our own private keys i think it's secured that way as long as we don't get reckless and give out those keys to the wrong hands. Don't ever give your keys to anyone, period. |
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This thread was opened over 2 month ago. I'm curious in what you eventually invested in  Anyways, I just bought some more Bitcoin gold, Tio, Bitcoin cash and ripple. I can't recommend buying Bitcoin Gold or even Cash at all. Cash is "better" than Gold, but both are weak. Be very careful with how much money you put into those since it's very possible that you could end up losing. Yea, Last few days Bitcoin Cash Pump up for "shear sheep" Easy money, easy go) What a nice way to put it. Wonder how many people got screwed by Roger Ver and Bitmain's manipulation. They even DDoS'd exchanges so they could make sure that only the insiders would be able to cash out their Bitcoin Cash. |
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BTC may not recover, but instead money will flow back to the superior, original bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash. Buy bitcoins now for under $400 again! Watch for the BCC related conference coming up this week. Huge things ahead! Don't be in the dark on these developments!
Wow, you called it two months ago, bravo  I bet everyone who made fun of you then has something to laugh about now What do you think will happen in upcoming days? He didn't call anything and you're either illiterate or deliberately ignoring parts of his post. Bitcoin didn't die like he implied and it's just making its usual correction. Except that the correction is far smaller this time around than it has ever been before. Meanwhile the Bitcoin Cash price is being manipulated by Ver and his goons. Obviously, you are the illiterate one here. His post contains no mentioning of BTC dieing, and neither he or I impplied that, because BTC will never die. He just stated that money from BTC will start flowing into BCC, and BCC price rose 5x since, so like it or not, he did call it. It doesn't matter if it's being pumped or not, price is as it is. "BTC may not recover". |
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Bitcoin drama will have a lot of influence on altcoin markets. We don't know if BTC is not heading to really big correction and that will have negative impact of USD value of altcoins.
Only in the short to mid term. Once the real platforms and products start releasing the Bitcoin price will be largely irrelevant since the prices of altcoins will stabilize around their tangible real world value. Dumps in that case would just mean a risk free investment opportunity, which as a long-term investor I am always looking forward to. |
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But this would then also make me wonder about VISA. Wouldn't they do their due diligence and try everything they can to not partner with a company that might get sued for shady operations?
Visa is not legally liable if MonaCo ends up deliberately manipulating the token price (which I am not saying they will, but they definitely can with the current model). Despite my responses, I actually like the idea of the card. I'm just not going to let shills post bullshit and make it appear as if everything is rainbows and unicorns in here when it clearly isn't. And right now there's a massive problem with the removal of the asset contract, which so far still doesn't have any replacement solution, as well as the issue with the card reservation once the token price gets too high for normal people to care. I agree with you but still it is a bit weird how the whole process is going. You would expect VISA to be very careful before engaging in contracts with a crypto startup like this one. But who knows maybe they don't even care as much as we would think. Visa cares about one thing, money. If they can create a scenario in which they can profit while keeping their name clean, they will most likely go that route. And if it came to public attention that MonaCo baited and switched investors with the asset contract, Visa would simply play oblivious to the fact and get off scot-free. By the way, with 20000 cards and an average of $1000 transaction volume per year, that would make the dividend of a single token $0.7 per year. And that's only the amount of cards that was ordered since the ICO. At the same rate there should be more than 100k cards at the end of next year, so each token would give a yearly dividend of more than $3.5 per year. Imagine you bought 10k tokens at $2 for $20,000, then you would be getting $35,000 for your investment every year from 2019. And this number would grow very quickly as the amounts of cards increase. If cards kept getting ordered at the same rate, in 2020 the same investment would return $70,000 in dividends, and in 2025 the dividend would be $245,000. In 2030 this would be more than $500,000 per year. So in total we'd get a return of at least $2,730,000 at the end of 2030 out of a $20,000 investment with at least $500,000 of extra income per year from that point onward. And in reality the amount of cards should be going up much faster because of active marketing, which so far MonaCo didn't really do. Dividends? No. Super-speculative. Nothing speculative about an extremely conservative estimate. Thanks for showing that all the shills have no real arguments by the way. I think Kris said the math works out for token holders because of token scarcity once card volumes increase (best card in market for travelers, and crypto users, MCO required as transfer mechanism)...not sure if they will do dividends because of securities laws. I know what Kris said and I can guarantee you that it's bullshit. He said that the revenue is too low to be relevant, which at worst is a complete and utter lie or an indicator of his lack of competence at best. Scarcity was a factor originally on top of the asset contract. And every serious investor joined for the asset contract, not for the scarcity. Check my Math in the quoted post for a low end estimate given the current data to see that the asset contract is crucial for any serious investor. |
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Imagine if Satoshi comes out, dump all his Bcash to tell the world BTC is the real coins Or we could just get Donald Trump to tweet that the Bitcoin Cash leaders are short and fat. Don't forget the small hands, one of them is Chinese after all. |
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I have to give credit to BCH supporters, Roger Ver and the Chinese Cartel. There is massive manipulation but they have actually managed to swing market sentiment, create panic among a lot of Bitcoin holders, etc. I wouldn't have thought it possible to take the price of a crypto from $300 to $1800 in a matter of weeks. There is 175K BCH from GBTC to be sold in a 90-day window and a lot of people who made money riding the wave, even with some miners holding BCH and selling BTC, I am wondering where the price is going to end up in 3 months. A lot of people will get burned.
And please include Jihan and co as they joined forces with Chinese to control and hype the coins. Their plan is they'll hype bch so everyone will sell their bch and when it's get bottomed down they'll gather all bch and will pump again the price around 10% of it. Also their using black propaganda to make the community go panic and sell their btc so as the price will get hurt also. Just a sad reality that we're just small fishes in the sea and we can't do nothing but to watch while the big whales are playing and splashing the water. You can just not swim in their waters. There's no reason to play the Bitcoin Cash game. Stay in Bitcoin/altcoins or fiat and fuck Bitcoin Cash. |
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Imagine if Satoshi comes out, dump all his Bcash to tell the world BTC is the real coins If only. |
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I think people expected segwit2x and were disappointed when it got cancelled.But their interest driven towards BCH as it was a succesful fork.SO they started investing in it
Nobody started investing in it. The Bitcoin Cash team started a targeted attack against Bitcoin Core while simultaneously manipulating the Bitcoin Cash price to trigger FOMO buys. There's nothing behind Bitcoin Cash other than manipulation and deception. |
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It was the other way around. SegWit2x was cancelled and people realized their profits from the crazy Bitcoin bull run. The Bitcoin Cash team has simply prepared in advance to manipulate public opinion with carefully timed attacks. |
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I cant help but say I really am nervous right now...... i just dont like the way its dropping
Must be new to crypto. That drop is tiny compared to what happened several times before. |
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I guess this is due to the cancellation of segwit2x since there is no market available to divert bitcoin. BcH needs to be at the top so people will get interested to it. Besides the first time bitcoin cash is introduce it did not get much market maybe this is also one way to help bitcoin available in the market when people sell their bitcoin and go for bch then bitcoin supply will be back in the circulation
Read the post literally one before yours. |
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bitcoin down too deep but we don't have to worried like others said and fortunately we have another option to help us to make money which is with bitcoin cash. yesterday bitcoin cash is increase and now its still increase although bitcoin price is still down and I think we have two option that will help us to make money, buy bitcoin while the price is down and we can trying to join into bitcoin cash party so we can have more bitcoin.
It's really sad that people care more about money than ethics. Bitcoin cash is a fan based coin and price only depends on the supporters that it has which is most are whales. How sure are you that you are going to earn if you are going to invest on it. Wherein its price is more volatile than BTC's price. Bitcoin Cash is heavily manipulated by Bitmain and Roger Ver. Fortunately they don't have an infinite amount of Bitcoins to dump the Core price, even if they can manipulate the Bitcoin Cash price indefinitely. Hopefully people will catch on to their schemes and not burn themselves in this elaborate scam. |
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They can pump BCH to sky and above, just keep buying while miners don't sell. But they cannot dump more BTC than they own
Only a matter of time until the sandstorm settles. Bravo, you get a cookie! Thank you very much, a team of monkeys over at Bitmain worked really hard on mining that one.  |
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I have to give credit to BCH supporters, Roger Ver and the Chinese Cartel. There is massive manipulation but they have actually managed to swing market sentiment, create panic among a lot of Bitcoin holders, etc. I wouldn't have thought it possible to take the price of a crypto from $300 to $1800 in a matter of weeks. There is 175K BCH from GBTC to be sold in a 90-day window and a lot of people who made money riding the wave, even with some miners holding BCH and selling BTC, I am wondering where the price is going to end up in 3 months. A lot of people will get burned.
It's very easy to manipulate the Bitcoin Cash price when you control most of the supply. Just keep buying your own coins and raising the price. |
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They can pump BCH to sky and above, just keep buying while miners don't sell. But they cannot dump more BTC than they own
Only a matter of time until the sandstorm settles. |
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After the BTC failed to implement Segwit2X it looks like this time BCH is determined and will replace BTC lead the market. People are panicking for what is happening in the battle between the BTC and the BCH. I'm still skeptical of this bold move from the BCH and if this coup succeeds then the altcoin market will likely have similar coups.
BTC didn't "fail" to implement SegWit2x. Check who voted against SegWit2x. It was the Bitcoin Cash team! They are manipulating public opinion, the Bitcoin Core blockchain (flooding transactions), and the Bitcoin Cash price. And they have been planning this for months, as you can see by Bitmain only accepting Bitcoin Cash for their new miners since a few months back. Bitcoin is doing just fine, Bitcoin Cash is the piece of shit that can't play fair and square and has to resort to shady behind the scenes manipulation in order to even stand a chance. |
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I'm just much bullishier on Bitcoin Cash.
Why ? I ask with no snark or ill-intention. Because it is purely and simply Bitcoin. In the form that I believe Satoshi intended. After all, it is Bitcoin largely as he left it, but with the insane centrally-planned production quota on transaction capacity relieved. Being of course a thing that he put in as an acquiescence and in order to stave off a potential problem that no longer exists. And also a thing that was orders of magnitude away from being hit at the time he left. Also for which he explained away a fine removal mechanism. Further, it doesn't suffer from the SegWit atrocity, nor the RBF abomination. Most germane, it supports the store of value function, and also fulfills the medium of exchange function that Core threw overboard in their insane Raspberry Pi fetish. It simply renders Bitcoin SegWit irrelevant. Everything I've witnessed thus far with BCH, is nothing but power-plays by selfish (State) Actors.
Well, I've been looking closely, and I just don't see it that way. I understand that the above is the narrative 'round these parts, but it looks completely false to me. It's against everything Satoshi stood for.
In what ways, exactly?
And yes, gentlemand calls it well.
BCH is capable of every use case that Bitcoin Segwit is capable of. Plus many more.
Truth be told, I'm bullish on Bitcoin Segwit too. I'm just much bullishier on Bitcoin Cash.
bullish? how. BCH will be forked into infinity, and because the user base and the real support is much smaller, it will slowly dissipate -there is no history of BCH, even though it copied bitcoins' years old blockchain. Bitcoin Cash _is_ Bitcoin. It's history extends unbroken back the the genesis block. It diverged from Core's crazy direction in time to be spared from the largest single change ever made to the protocol. The market movement would suggest that there is plenty of real support. I will rather go down with the bitcoin ship than into bitcash
Seems foolish, but hey - it's your money. Satoshi definitely did not intend for anyone to run a centralized attack on his vision of a decentralized financial system. Bitcoin Cash is obviously the direct opposite of his vision, which sought to remove power from centralized institutions that abuse their power. Bitcoin Cash stands for corruption, manipulation and deception. If you believe otherwise you're either confused, out for profits, or a paid shill. There's nothing positive about deliberately flooding the Core blockchain to slow it down and increase its fees while simultaneously manipulating the Bitcoin Cash price to trigger FOMO buying from greedy traders that don't even know what the fuck they are trading. |
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