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3881  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will Bitcoin hit $8k in December due to CME on: November 14, 2017, 09:41:57 PM
Crypto futures may be just another exchange where crypto is traded. There probably won't be anything groundbreaking or noteworthy about it. Gold and equities futures markets trade in the off hours of their trading days. Crypto trading is 24/7. There will be no true futures market in crypto as trading hours aren't limited. Futures will be just another exchange. It probably won't matter at all.

The main relevence of crypto futures is, it could open the door to crypto ETF's (exchange traded funds) sooner rather than later. It could legitimize crypto and serve as an indirect endorsement.

3882  Economy / Economics / Re: WTF? $20.000.000.000 seem to have been poured into BCH in a couple of days on: November 12, 2017, 09:57:24 PM
The majority of the trading volume is taking place at Bithumb (Korean exchange).
Therefore the whole price discovery is highly manipulated, because Bithumb
offers account without fees and vouchers that enable zero fee trading.

This enables rampant wash trading by allowing you to buy and sell your own orders without
incurring any fees!




This is the type of information which seems as if it should be publicized more.

In a way this might be described as a contest of philosophy. On one side there is bitcoin which has a design philosophy of producing long term value. On the other side there is bitcoin cash which has a design philosophy of using pump and dump market manipulation to produce short term profits at the expense of long term value.

Ethereum may have tried to exceed bitcoin's long term value by doing something similar earlier this year. Will history repeat itself?
3883  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UFC FN 120: Poirier vs Pettis Info and Prediction Thread on: November 12, 2017, 09:29:45 PM
It seems like Pettis doesn't want to train hard anymore. He's not as hungry as people like Poirier are. A lot of recent fights are very close and the winner is the guy who wants it more. Pettis might be too busy running his "AP" barber shops. Other things could be taking up his time. Pettis vs Poirier was still a great fight.

Biggest surprise was Clay Guida winning via KO/TKO very quickly. Clay Guida, Andrei Arlovski and Paul Felder (who was commentating) are all guys who used to train at JacksonWink who moved elsewhere and seemed to improve by hopping gyms.

Raphael Assauncao winning by KO was also a big surprise.

Sage Northcutt looked much improved since training full time. Like commentators mentioned he's in school full time and training MMA part time for his previous UFC fights.
3884  Economy / Economics / Obligatory: Is Bitcoin Cash A Bubble? on: November 12, 2017, 08:45:16 PM
Is bch a bubble?

If bch is a bubble, has that bubble popped?



For reference, it was not long ago that ethereum was considered a good investment with a massive spike eerily similar to what bch is indicating now.



Do the people behind bch and eth seem like individuals whose goal is to create long term value and wealth. Or do they seem more like the types to focus on short term gains to the expense of long term value? I think Satoshi was a creator of longer term value, which is why bitcoin has done as well as it has. As for Roger Ver and whoever is running ethereum now, I would be interested to know what public opinion on them is.   Huh

On a more technical side, should bitcoin cash be worth 1/4th of what it is given it has very limited utility. It isn't supported by retailers. It doesn't many have uses or real world application. There's not much good about bitcoin cash to favor it. There is a chance that bitcoin cash's real world value is $400. Whatever value it appears to have may be an illusion.
3885  Economy / Economics / Re: Where do massive amounts of unconfirmed mempool transactions come from? on: November 12, 2017, 08:10:47 PM
it looks like that, it's almost the same as a deliberate or accidental DDoS attack. renewal of the blockchain system and mining blocks will benefit to miners.

Exactly. Labeling it a "scaling issue" is incorrect terminology. Its more like a DDoS attack.

In addition to this, mining pools may not be producing blocks that are full to capacity. Many blocks with a 1MB size will only have 99KB of data in them, to slow transaction rates further. Evidence for that:

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Recently, AntPool has been mining a number of blocks with sizes of around 99 KB, 369 KB and 860 KB. There were dozens of blocks mined around these specific sizes during the month of February. During the times these blocks were mined, everyone else on the network was filling blocks with transactions up to the 1 MB capacity limit.

In addition to the non-full blocks mined by AntPool, the mining pool also created 16 empty blocks in the month of February. The total amount of transaction capacity lost by the network during this time as a result of AntPool's small blocks is not difficult to estimate. Numbers shared by BitFury's Alex Petrov show AntPool's average mined block size in February was around 100 KB less than other mining pools of comparable size.

The number of transactions in a block can vary, but at an average transaction size of 500 bytes , 100 KB would amount to roughly 200 transactions. With 768 blocks mined, AntPool essentially included 153,600 less transactions in February than other large mining pools, such as BitFury or F2Pool , which would have mined with a similar share of the network. This is roughly half of the total number of transactions that are mined on the entire Bitcoin network per day.

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/something-odd-is-happening-at-bitcoins-largest-mining-pool-cm756139

There could be a campaign to restrict bitcoin's transaction speed and attack its network with unconfirmed transactions. To incorrectly blame "block size" and unfairly put the responsibility for it on core devs.
3886  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 134k unconfirmed transactions now. I'm starting to get really worried about this on: November 11, 2017, 10:33:18 PM
They attack btc with unconfirmed spam transactions everytime one of their agendas like segwit2x isn't accepted.

There are massive spikes in the number of unconfirmed transactions whenever something like this happens:



This goes back as far as 2014.

I sent btc yesterday & it confirmed quickly. I think I might have been able to confirm in 24+ hours with a transaction fee of 0.0001 which isn't too bad.
3887  Economy / Economics / Where do massive amounts of unconfirmed mempool transactions come from? on: November 11, 2017, 10:16:30 PM
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The Curious Case of Bitcoin’s “Moby Dick” Spam and the Miners That Confirmed It

The scaling debate has dominated the Bitcoin space for well over two years now. As a central issue, Bitcoin’s one-megabyte block size limit was often insufficient to include all transactions on the network. This ultimately led to the replacement of this block size limit for a block weight limit through Segregated Witness, allowing for up to four megabytes of transaction data. And a group of Bitcoin companies plans to deploy a hard fork to double this by November.

But there is reason to believe the “crisis” may have been fabricated, at least partly. A recent analysis by “LaurentMT,” the developer of blockchain analytics tool OXT, in cooperation with Antoine Le Calvez, creator of Bitcoin statistics resource p2sh.info, shows that the Bitcoin network has had to deal with a load of spam transactions throughout the past two years. Now, in a three-part blog post series dubbing the spam attacks “Moby Dick,” their findings suggest that several major Bitcoin mining pools may have had a hand in this.

“Six or seven pools have played a major role in stuffing blocks with spam transactions,” LaurentMT said. “And charts display what looks like a coordination between these pools.”

The Spam Situation

The very concept of “spam” in the context of Bitcoin is sometimes disputed. Differentiating between “good” and “bad” transactions can be controversial on a network designed for permissionlessness innovation and censorship-resistant payments.

But there is little doubt that certain transactions serve no other purpose than to stuff the Bitcoin network and blockchain. LaurentMT and Le Calvez more specifically define spam as transactions that send lots of tiny fractions of bitcoins to lots of different outputs (“addresses”). These kinds of transactions can’t feasibly have been used to make actual payments, while they do present a significant burden on the Bitcoin network: all nodes need to receive, validate, transmit and (at least temporarily) store all this data.

The analysts found that the Bitcoin network has seen many transactions that fit this category: almost three gigabytes worth of data within a two-year span, adding up to more than 2 percent of the total size of the blockchain, or the equivalent of about a month’s worth of normal Bitcoin use.

“We found that there were four waves of ‘fan-out transactions’ during summer 2015,” LaurentMT told Bitcoin Magazine, referring to the transactions that create lots of outputs. “We think that the first two waves were spamming users and services. The third and fourth waves instead mostly sent the fractions of bitcoins to addresses controlled by the attackers themselves.”

These four waves of spam have been relatively easy to notice, as sudden bursts of transactions clogged up the Bitcoin network for brief periods of time. In some cases these spam attacks were even announced as “stress tests” or “bitcoin giveaways.”

What’s more interesting about LaurentMT and Le Calvez’s analysis is that the two focused on the second half of the puzzle. Almost all the fractions of bitcoins that were sent to all these different addresses have slowly been re-spent back into circulation since. These “fan-in” transactions were not as obvious as the initial waves of spam — but were similarly burdensome.

And, LaurentMT explained, blockchain analysis suggests that most of this spam can be tracked down to one or two entities:

“We’ve identified two wallets that seem to have played a central role in the attacks. They’ve funded long chains of fan-out transactions during summer 2015, and they later aggregated the dust outputs.”

The analysts also suggest that the perpetrator(s) of the spam may have been customers of the Canadian exchange QuadrigaCX. But that’s where their analysis stops.

The Mining Pools

Perhaps what is more interesting is who used this spam to fill up Bitcoin blocks: Bitcoin mining pools.

The spam outputs, generated by the first four waves of fan-out transactions, had been starting to move since autumn of 2015 — sort of. Whoever controlled these addresses had been broadcasting transactions to spend these outputs over the network. However, for a long time, miners did not include these “spam broadcasts” in their blocks; the transactions were ignored.

Up until the second half of 2016, that is. At a very specific point in time, a group of seven mining pools started to suddenly accept these spam broadcasts and include them in the blocks they mined: 1-Hash, Antpool, BitClub Network, BTC.com, HaoBTC, KanoCKPool and ViaBTC.

“So, either these seven pools had an ‘aha moment,’ and suddenly discovered that Bitcoin is about censorship resistance. Or, they had another motivation to fill up blocks with these transactions — perhaps related to the block size debate,” LaurentMT suggested.

For more clues, LaurentMT and Le Calvez looked for notable events that happened around the time of the mining pools’ sudden change of heart. In their research, they did find some correlation with “strange” occurrences. The first is an open letter from HaoBTC (now rebranded as Bixin) to the Bitcoin Core development team. The second was a rumor about a group of Chinese pools planning to end their cooperation with Bitcoin Core: the Terminator Plan.

Of course, something notable happens in Bitcoin just about every week. These events may well be coincidences and, therefore, there could be a very different explanation for the mining pools’ behavior, LaurentMT acknowledged:

“An alternative explanation could be that the different mining pools adopted new mining policies for completely different reasons. I tend to think political motivations are more likely … but that’s just a personal opinion.”

Bitcoin Magazine reached out to the seven mining pools in question. The only mining pool willing to comment on the issue was KanoCKPool, which denied being involved with any sort of manipulation or coordination, stating it just confirms “any and all transactions available.”

UPDATE: After publication of this article (and on reading the comment from Kano CK Pool), LaurentMT pointed out that Kano CK Pool, along with 1Hash and Bitclub Network, are the only pools that had been confirming some of the spam transactions even before the second half of 2016, indicating that the pool could be telling the truth.

For a full analysis of the “Moby Dick” spam, read LaurentMT and Le Calvez’s three-part blog post series:

Part 1: https://medium.com/@laurentmt/good-whale-hunting-d3cc3861bd6b
Part 2: https://medium.com/@laurentmt/when-moby-dick-meets-the-terminator-d014c315af85
Part 3: https://medium.com/@laurentmt/the-canadian-connection-7f48cafe2369

Or watch Le Calvez’s presentation at Breaking Bitcoin in Paris earlier this month.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/curious-case-bitcoins-moby-dick-spam-and-miners-confirmed-it/

Re-post.

This is the best research and information I've seen on the topic of massive volumes of unconfirmed transactions flooding bitcoin's network. The rough analysis seems to confirm that miners are behind these attacks. The timing of attacks correlates with important events in bitcoin's history such as forks or other topics with political implications. In the past I've seen core developers unfairly blamed for this. Blaming core devs has never made sense. Unconfirmed transactions have always resembled a DDoS attack rather than a result of poor engineering on the part of core devs.

In the present, the latest attack of spammed transactions appears to coincide with the cancellation of segwit2x and perhaps a coordinated effort to boost bitcoin cash at the expense of btc.

It might be nice to have more discussion or research done on this topic. Its something that may be neglected at the moment.
3888  Economy / Economics / Re: Tell me the best performing financial instruments aside from Cryptocurrency? on: November 10, 2017, 11:53:34 PM
I've seen and heard of people having success with penny stocks and dividend reinvestment plans. The bolivar (venezuela's hyperinflating currency) will be a good investment if venezuela's economy recovers. Amazon has been on a hot run over the last 5 years. There are always good investments, even if they aren't easy to identify.
3889  Economy / Economics / Re: Is the Blockchain a perfect solution? Is it flawed? Please Comment below ! on: November 10, 2017, 11:42:01 PM
Blockchain is a great design. The so-called "scaling issue" is driven by security practices being fundamentally slow. WIFI encryption, passwords, 2FA authentication. Security measures always take longer in comparison to equivalents without security. This conflicts with the speed, ease and convenience consumers have come to expect from point and click based electronic payment solutions.

Technology often takes the blame for the poor policy choices people decide to implement. Bitcoin is no exception. A lot of the technical issues people have with crypto can be traced back to decisions made by miners and others that were intended to manufacture a crisis to push a political agenda.
3890  Economy / Economics / Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash on: November 10, 2017, 11:00:45 PM
Whatever is happening with BCash, it appears to be a coordinated effort. Its likely something Roger Ver and friends have been planning for a long time. The most likely explanation is BCash will follow in the footsteps of ethereum. There will be a big spike. Followed by dump. Roger Ver and friends will ride away with the lion's share of profits. Then BCash will sit idle and not move much as eth has for the last few months. Ethereum may have already showed the blueprint for where BCash's future lies.

Most big price movements appear to be coordinated. With bitcoin it was a co-operative effort between Jamie Dimon, china banning exchanges and a host of media and academic personalities coordinating to label btc a bubble.

With bitcoin cash, it was a coordinated effort between bcash's network upgrade being out soon, Roger Ver attacking bitcoin and claiming bcash is the real bitcoin, sock puppets spreading pro bcash propaganda (like this:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2383794.0  ) and whatever else. Roger Ver and friends likely bought bcash to prop the price up and create a spike, intending to profit off it later from the shift of momentum?

If segwit2x was plan A. Bitcoincash pump and dump could be plan B. Notice how quickly after segwit2x was cancelled this coordinated effort @ bcash pump occurred.

This is an interesting topic. Unfortunately I cant say I've been following events close enough to know with good accuracy what the implications or exposition to this is.
3891  Economy / Economics / Re: Banks offering only 1.3% interest rates for Savings Account on: November 10, 2017, 09:31:29 PM
APY (Annual Percentage Yield) on bank savings accounts were higher years back. There were a few banks which offered as high as 3% to 5% APY, if I'm remembering correctly. Even IRA Roth interest rates don't appear as solid as I remember them being with the highest today being around 2%.

Its key to note that the formula utilized to calculate inflation has changed over time. Using the old method to calculate inflation, real inflation is closer to 8% (or higher) in most developed nations, including the united states. This is very similar to the unemployment rate which no longer reflects the true rate of unemployment. U5 or U6 are better metrics of unemployment.

Its not easy to find methods which pay higher interest rates than inflation. That's for certain. Wages too are growing at a slower rate than inflation which is troubling when one thinks about the long term implications.
3892  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin versus Bitcoin Cash Civil War Is Intensifying on: November 10, 2017, 09:00:59 PM
I think some might find this article interesting.

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Is Bitcoin Cash the Real Bitcoin?

Segwit2x’s unexpected and sudden cancellation has transformed the crypto landscape. Certainty is now finally here. Bitcoin will not scale in a peer-to-peer manner. Its developers no longer even pretend it might, with Peter Todd, a vocal small blocker, stating fees will only go up.

As such, it can no longer be called a currency because it is awful as a means of exchange. Its fees are far too high even as it stands, but if demand keeps increasing they will become prohibitive, rising to $1,000 or more for one on-chain transaction.

Which means no one will be able to use it except for banks, with bitcoin’s peer to peer payment network basically gone. With it, its blockchain, which many are heiling as a great invention.

Without a usable chain of blocks secured by proof of work, can what is now called bitcoin really deserve that name?

“A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution. Digital signatures provide part of the solution, but the main benefits are lost if a trusted third party is still required to prevent double-spending.

We propose a solution to the double-spending problem using a peer-to-peer network. The network timestamps transactions by hashing them into an ongoing chain of hash-based proof-of-work, forming a record that cannot be changed without redoing the proof-of-work.” The Bitcoin Whitepaper

Fees of $10 or $100 per transaction would not “allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution.”

Since what is called bitcoin contravenes the very first sentence of the whitepaper, as well as its title, many are arguing that it isn’t actually bitcoin.

The asset has become unusable for commerce. Without that commerce, its utility is unclear as it isn’t obvious where demand would keep coming from, or why it would have a floor at all.

Moreover, its difficulty of transport makes intermediaries necessary as you wouldn’t be able to spend it in a peer-to-peer manner, instead having to convert it for fiat first.

All of which means that what is currently called bitcoin is in fact a very different system. Instead of peer-to-peer, it is hub-to-hub. Instead of proof-of-work to prevent double spending, it will become proof of hub as the vast majority of transactions by far will not be hashed into “an ongoing chain of hash-based proof-of-work, forming a record that cannot be changed without redoing the proof-of-work.”

Intermediary hub transactions will be changeable in complex circumstances, including unforeseen or otherwise time delays. That’s to say nothing of all the problems with intermediary financial institutions.

The real bitcoin, therefore, is Bitcoin Cash, which as the name says, aims to continue implementing a peer to peer electronic cash system allowing “online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution.”

And while it is the case that currently some financial institutions, such as exchanges, are necessary, the aim is for that to be temporary.

Bitcoin Cash plans to continue bitcoin’s roadmap of firstly wide merchant adoption, secondly, the creation of a virtues circle, and thirdly, its use as codable internet money.

On the merchants aspect, its almost non existent fees and its instant transactions through zero confirmed systems allows for the spending of actual money through the internet. Giving you freedom to pay a merchant anywhere in the world without requiring any permission from anyone.

That global means of value exchange will be complemented by a virtuous circle, whereby merchants pay their employees and suppliers in BCH, who in turn pay other merchants in BCH, thus creating an economy where BCH is the unit of account.

At that stage, you would no longer need to convert it to fiat, thus you would need no exchanges, because you get paid in it and you pay in it, making it effectively like dollars, with the added quality of non-inflatable away as the banks please.

All two of the above are complemented by the fact that Bitcoin Cash is basically just code. Therefore, the currency can be coded to behave in certain ways and under certain conditions, something now called smart contracts.

Rootstock is planning to bring that to bitcoin, but they are finding opposition, so they might instead implement it in Bitcoin Cash.

The same applies to the many bitcoin merchants that are considerably struggling due to the very high and ever increasing fees. As it has now become clear bitcoin will no longer be a peer to peer electronic cash system, they may have to adopt Bitcoin Cash for commerce.

That includes BitPay, which currently serves 100,000 or more merchants. And if they don’t add Bitcoin Cash, then Coinify, which is a competitor and already has added Bitcoin Cash, might rise in popularity.

It may also include Coinbase, which likewise offers merchant services, although they may prefer ethereum. OpenBazzar, an eBay like market place, is already working on adding Bitcoin Cash. Others will probably follow, unless they abandon their project completely.

Because for years what Bitcoin Cash now promises bitcoin has promised. An entire ecosystem was built around electronic peer-to-peer payments. That has now changed in bitcoin, but not in digital currencies, with Bitcoin Cash continuing that promise.

As such, all those businesses and that entire ecosystem that was built around digital payments may have to move to the one digital currency that provides it, Bitcoin Cash. The real bitcoin.

http://www.trustnodes.com/2017/11/10/bitcoin-cash-real-bitcoin

I would like to think most can recognize a few flaws in the above article. But I know there are people who I consider to be smart and knowledgeable about crypto who will believe every word of it. If we want bitcoin to succeed, it might be a good idea to post on reddit more. Break up what has become an echo chamber for segwit2x and bcc. Make a better effort to educate and inform people on events which they may be unaware of which could help them to have a different perspective.

You can help by publicizing the following link which details how miners (not core developers) have contributed towards spam attacks which congest bitcoin's network and also higher fees:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/curious-case-bitcoins-moby-dick-spam-and-miners-confirmed-it/

3893  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Millionaire Tim Draper: Cryptocurrencies Will Replace Fiat in 5 Years on: November 09, 2017, 11:28:37 PM
To approach this from an analogy point of view. Is it more efficient (and fun) to put a dollar bill in the thong of a stripper. Or would it make more sense to tip strippers electronically with bitcoin, paypal or another method?

It might be fair to say paper money is a more efficient system and better suited for some things. Economies rely on paper money for tips, sale of used goods and many other areas. Whatever percentage of an economy is based on paper fiat will be demolished when paper fiat is taken out of circulation. This could have a net effect of destroying jobs and businesses which rely on paper fiat to prosper.

There's no reason to completely replace fiat. The main issues with fiat have been mismanagement by state leaders and economic/financial policies which have unfairly benefitted 1% percenters at the expense of everyone else. Eliminating fiat does not eliminate those drawbacks or wealth redistribution precedents. It only makes it things harder for small businesses and independent contrators to function, find work and do their jobs.
3894  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Anyone else feels like stupid sh#t happens when you make a plan? on: November 09, 2017, 10:04:28 PM
Only had one recent issue.

I wasn't receiving 2FA emails related to my blockchain.into account and couldn't log in. It seems that AOL/AIM has the blockchain.info domain blocked from receiving emails. Changed the email to a domain other than AOL/AIM and it seems to work ok, now.

For AOL/AIM email users, they may want to be aware that they won't receive emails from blockchain.info and possibly other domains related to btc/crypto.

Ughhh. A while back before the BTG fork happened, I mistyped my bitcoin address by one letter and it screwed the transaction up.

I don't know what the recommended practice is for inputting btc addresses.

I usually copy and paste it. Then double check to make certain its the correct address before clicking the send button. Hope that helps.
3895  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UFC FN 120: Poirier vs Pettis Info and Prediction Thread on: November 09, 2017, 09:42:55 PM
Preliminary notes for this event.

-Anthony Pettis looks improved after starting his new strength and conditioning program. The same with his brother, Sergio.

-This is Diego Sanchez' 1st fight at welterweight(170 lbs) in a long time. Diego said on social media he had health issues leading up to his last fight. He blamed medical marijuana for damaging his heart. There isn't much official info on the topic but that is what he said.

-Andrei Arlovski moved from the Greg Jackson / Mike Winkeljon gym where he normally trains to American Top Team for this fight.

-Clay Guida has looked better since moving to team alpha male to train winning his last fight & coming close to winning the one before that.

-Michel Quinones seems to be a kickboxing/striking specialist. He doesn't seem to have much wrestling or ground game, which could mean his fight with Sage Northcutt will be a stand up battle.

-Sage Northcutt moved to team alpha male to train. This will be his 1st fight training out of that gym.

3896  Economy / Economics / Study Claims 1 In 3 Millennials Would Rather Own Bitcoin That Stocks on: November 09, 2017, 08:44:04 PM
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Having 'dabbled' in what they know best - Snap - Millennials are increasingly turning their back on stocks and buying bitcoin...

In March of this year Millennials piled in to Snap shares...

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... the median age among Snap buyers on Thursday was even younger, at 26.
 
“I wanted to test the waters and play around with some money I wouldn’t be too devastated to lose,” Ms. Shoenthal said. “I think I’m going to stick it out for at least a few years.”
 
Ms. Shoenthal, who uses Snapchat every day, said this was her first big stock pick. She’s gotten interested in stocks this semester because of classes she’s taking on personal finance and branding. She thinks the prospects for Snap are bright, particularly given that Snapchat is changing the way many young people, including her friends, read the news.
 
“I have high hopes” for Snap, Ms. Markley said. “I think they are doing really cool things.”
 
She doesn’t do much investing generally, citing student loans and the high cost of living in the Bay Area, but got excited by the talk of the IPO. One promising sign of the company’s growth prospects, she said: Even her parents are using it now.

That has not ended so well...



As a reminder, Peter Lynch has actually recently clarified his now-mythical advice - which perhaps some Millennials should be paying attention to...

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What’s wrong with the popular-wisdom version of his ideology, which is usually cited as “invest in what you know”?
 
It leaves out the role of serious fundamental stock research. “People buy a stock and they know nothing about it,” he says. “That’s gambling and it’s not good.”

But they appear to have learned nothing as Bloomberg reports that a survey by venture capital firm Blockchain Capital found that about 30 percent of those in the 18-to-34 age range would rather own $1,000 worth of Bitcoin than $1,000 of government bonds or stocks.

Bitcoin is up over 600% year-to-date, 60 times more than gold, 30 times more than NASDAQ, and 5 times the rise of the Swiss National Bank's shares...



While just 2 percent of Americans own or have owned the cryptocurrency, according to the survey, that investor base might get larger as millennials become the main investment force. At that point, U.S. regulators may have approved bitcoin ETFs, and the derivatives market might be somewhat mature, making it easier for the new bitcoin buyers.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-09/1-3-millennials-would-rather-own-bitcoin-stocks

...

2 interesting statistics coming from the survey cited in this article done by venture capital firm Blockchain Capital.

  • Only 2% of americans own or have owned cryptocurrency
  • 30% of 18 to 34 year olds would rather own $1,000 worth of bitcoin than $1,000 of government bonds or stocks.

Snapchat is also a good example of how companies or apps that look good on the surface to milennials can often turn out to be poor investments. On the backend of the dot com bubble there aren't many fast growing new enterprises which may attract lower age groups as being good investments. In a sense, bitcoin and crypto could be one of the few emerging investment opportunities youth have exposure to.
3897  Economy / Economics / Re: Wall Street Is Worried Investors Have Dumped Too Much Cash on: November 09, 2017, 12:34:36 AM
AFAIK the cash in relation to digital money ratio is irrelevant. The important relation is how much digital money plus cash exists in relation to the physical assets? And this ratio continously drifted away in the recent decades! The more money is available to buy physical goods or services the higher will the price and this is called inflation that could lead to a hyperinflation!

This is a grey area for me. When hyperinflation occurs goods and services are inflation adjusted. Under worst case scenarios a loaf of bread can literally cost a wheelbarrow full of paper fiat. If the dollar hyperinflates, there's a chance the value of stocks could also be inflation adjusted, in which case they could be protected to a degree from a crashing dollar. I'm not 100% certain what their official policy is under those types of conditions.

Its one potential explanation for why the quantity of fiat held may be declining. Given the powerful influence Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and others whose wealth is contained in stocks, I would guess they may have some form of damage control policy in place to protect their wealth.
3898  Economy / Economics / Re: An actual attempt to kill cash and its consequences. on: November 08, 2017, 11:49:48 PM
Money, whether its paper, gold or electronic is a mechanism for solving problems in society. The invention of money facilitates trade, industry and finance. When a percentage of a population rely on paper money to solve problems, fund jobs, run businesses it may naturally follow that banning paper money will cause an economy and job market to suffer negatively.

Taking fiat money out of circulation represents a destruction of wealth, innovation and time. The scene in the movie The Dark Knight where the Joker lights a mountain of paper money on fire could be considered a rough equivalent to recent policies of note-banning. There are negative consequences. Whether there will be enough positive effects to compensate for the negative effects are undetermined.

In my eyes, note-banning is like the government saying you can't use your right arm. You can only use your left arm. They limit what people are able to achieve with what they have. This restricts the resourcefulness and creativity of the population while destroying wealth & restricting growth. But I might be biased, here. If there are positive effects of this I'm unaware of I would be interested in knowing what they are.
3899  Economy / Economics / Wall Street Is Worried Investors Have Dumped Too Much Cash on: November 08, 2017, 11:31:35 PM
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Wall Street, which normally roots for investors to pour their cash into stocks and bonds, is growing increasingly concerned that there is such a thing as too little of it in reserve.

Last week, Bank of America Merrill Lynch said in a research note that a survey of the bank's private wealth clients found that cash as percentage of their total investment accounts had dropped to 10.2 percent. That's the lowest it has been since Bank of America began surveying its clients on their holdings in 2005. Cash hit a previous low of 11 percent in April 2007. It was as high as 21 percent coming out of the financial crisis, and it has averaged just under 13 percent for the past 12 years.



INTL FCStone, the financial services company, said recently that cash in mutual fund portfolios had dropped to 3.3 percent, also an all-time low. And Citigroup's chief U.S. equity strategist, Tobias Levkovich, mused in a note to clients recently that steadily rising stock prices have compelled "performance conscious" mutual fund to go close to all-in on the stock market.



Low cash positions worry Wall Street. First, it suggests that investors, pushed by recent earnings gains and an assumption that President Donald Trump and Republicans will get some type of tax cut passed, may be too exuberant in their affection for stocks. And there are other signs of that. The price-to-earnings ratio of the S&P 500 Index based on this year's expected earnings is nearly 19.5. That's well shy of the highest it has been, but it's still greater than average. The flip side of the cash position is how much investors have in stocks. According to Federal Reserve data, the value of stock market holdings is also at a record for individual investors, but that could also be because stocks have risen faster recently than other assets. Cash held by Americans is up as well, even if it's a lower portion of their total wealth.

Levkovich throws some cold water on the argument that we are back in irrational exuberance territory. A survey by the bank found that more than 60 percent of investors think the market is more likely to drop 20 percent in the next year rather than rise 20 percent. The survey also showed that while few investors expect a recession, similarly few expect the economy to grow more than 3 percent in the next year, either. And growth of index funds, which have to stay 100 percent invested in the stock market, could be driving at least some of the all-time low cash position.

But that may not matter. Even if investors aren't nearly as gaga about stocks or the economy as they were in 2000 or 2008, the low cash position could be a problem as it has at other times during this bull run. Cash positions were low in mid-2011 and mid-2015, points at which the market has stumbled. And funds trying to beat passive investors may be quick to exit stocks when they start to fall, sensing an advantage over index funds, which can't sell. When excess cash runs out, bull markets tend to stop charging as well.

https://www.bloomberg.com//news/articles/2017-11-08/wall-street-is-worried-investors-have-dumped-too-much-cash

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This isn't a topic I have much knowledge on. Does have a feeling no one holds cash due to the US federal government being $20 trillion in debt, with fears of the dollar crashing hard if the deficit inflates to a point where it becomes unmanegeable?

I've heard of cases where people put their money into gold, silver and precious metals during times of hyperinflation to preserve the value of their wealth. I can't say I know much about whether the stock market can serve a similar function of preserving wealth from hyperinflation. What are the chances that the recent stock market uptrend is fueled by investors looking for a safe place to store their wealth, in the event a collapse occurs?
3900  Economy / Economics / Re: New cool concept of open source science! on: November 08, 2017, 10:19:23 PM
There were many platforms with similar "crowdsourcing" based designs around 10-15 years ago. Most of them are gone now. A crowdsourcing platform built specifically with scientific research in mind is something I can't remember having seen before, however. The youtube clip OP posted may be unique in that sense.

Scientific research tends to be cost prohibitive and limited mainly to large corporate or educational institutions. The entry level pay for many scientists is around $30k/year which tends to encourage most students to become lawyers instead as lawyer starting pay is $100k/year.

There are DIY and hobbyist websites which do things similar to what OP's clip describes. Which could show that the concept is a viable one.

Example of potential viability: Hackaday offers $250,000 in prizes to inventors/engineers/diy hobbyists who design and build things which fit a certain theme:

https://hackaday.io/prize
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