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3901  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin regaining dominance. on: November 11, 2017, 08:02:43 PM
Update: bitcoin has been losing dominance, mainly vs bitcoin cash:


A bit over 5% and some people commenting recently seem to not have realized. There are some gains in dominance but from all the rest of small alts together, nothing very significant. What is significant is Bitcoin Cash spike as there are many debates on wether it will become the real Bitcoin or it is just another case of pump and dump.
Bitcoin Cash is just a shady fork by Bitmain that is trying to play central bank and protect its ASIC business. Complete waste of resources. Hopefully the new crypto investors will actually understand what Bitcoin is about and realize that Bitcoin Cash is the opposite of what Bitcoin should be and move away from it.

But how is the original Bitcoin different?

If it is the same ASIC mined coin like Bitcoin Cash? As for myself, there is no real difference between these two Bitcoins in this regard. Any miner which mines one Bitcoin can mine the other. Yes, SegWit has made some "adjustments" no longer possible (if I'm not mistaken), but is it the only or main reason behind the creation of Bitcoin Cash? I think the game is much more intricate, complex and convoluted than that. Right now Bitcoin is controlled (if I can say so) by the Bitcoin Core team which do not belong to the world of miners. This is surely not what big-time miners are quite happy with, and changing that seems to be their higher cause. In a nutshell, it is a struggle for control over Bitcoin (under whatever name)
The Bitcoin Cash team is actually looking into implementing a much "quicker" adjustment times of the network difficulty.
At least officially it's under the guise of making it easier for miners to adapt so they can earn more profits. But in reality it's a fact that their team controls around 60% of the hashrate, so all that does is give them much more flexibility in manipulating the network to their will.

It's also very strange that one of the biggest promoters of Bitcoin Cash, Jihan Wu, would act in favour of blocking the SegWit2x fork, which was immediately followed by a pump of the Bitcoin Cash value. I highly doubt the timing was a coincidence and if you consider the fact that these individuals control a very large amount of both currencies it would not come as a surprise if they flipped their own BTC/BCH to start a FOMO pump.

While Bitcoin is definitely quite centralized, mostly due to the fact that China and the US jumped in first with a massive headstart, I don't want to have anything to do with the shady behind the scenes kind of bullshit that Jihan and his goons are pulling off and I'm hoping that new competitors like GMO in Japan and some others will actually bring some fairness back into the scene.
3902  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: BTC is dead. The plan is a shift to Bitcoin Cash. on: November 11, 2017, 07:53:03 PM
Price still moving upwards https://www.coingecko.com/en/price_charts/bitcoin-cash/usd
I think we will see equilibrium where the 2 BTC and BCH will share push and pull and move together against Alts
BCH may not be the altcoin that everybody thinks it is
It is the altcoin that everybody thinks it is. It just happens to have very wealthy individuals manipulating the mining network, the market prices and public opinions purely out of greed.
3903  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Dogecoin. 2017 will be $ 1 in December. on: November 11, 2017, 07:41:35 PM
It can not reach to 100 sat. Dont say 1$. It will never reach there.
It already got beyond 100 sat though. Probably will again.
3904  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will Bitcoin rise to $500k in three years? on: November 11, 2017, 07:39:06 PM
In my opinion, this very well could happen. But, bitcoin must be adopted by one of the big online retailers. Without it, btc is just pure speculation with very little real world application. The price is too heavily inflated by speculative holders.

If and when amazon/eBay or similar adopt btc, then we will see huge growth.
Bitcoin can also just simply be used as an investment only currency. If it was the denominator of the altcoin market, just like fiat is the denominator for stocks, it would easily grow beyond 100k just based off of that alone.

Yes but then bitcoin becomes the Ponzi scheme most people are afraid it is. If it only grows because new people are investing in btc, which benefits the earlier investors, that is the clear definition of a ponzi/pyramid scheme.

I really think that to take it to the next level, it’s needs to be wifey accepted. And I don’t mean with small, niche retailers. A western organisation/retailer needs to get on board, and in my opinion this needs to be done in the next 12 months. I think after that, unless there is a real and fundamental change, people will start to doubt bitcoin.
There's nothing in my statement that makes Bitcoin in any way or form a ponzi scheme. By your definition of a ponzi literally the whole human economy is nothing more than a ponzi scheme.
3905  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: BTC is dead. The plan is a shift to Bitcoin Cash. on: November 11, 2017, 07:37:22 PM
I think BTC will be back to normal as soon as possible. These kinds of events are very damaging to the market.
But i think BTC not come back easily previous destination.Still now huge falling down $6400 in https://coinmarketcap.com
When BTC down then alt coin is start shows green signal.I hope BTC will be increased after in December.
It's a tiny drop... Even if it dropped to $5000 that would still be insignificant. It's a normal correction and happens every time it pumps.

Meanwhile Bitcoin Cash is obviously being manipulated by Bitmain.

We don't care, they keep pumping it hard. There is nothing to get attracted by bitcoin cash. I'm not gonna get fooled by those bitcoin cashers. They can dump on you in a blink of an eye. If you take the risk of bitcoin cash, you'll earn a lot or lose too much. Let's see.
I'm staying out of Bitcoin Cash too. I don't even care if it could make me profits, the people who created it are morally corrupt and don't deserve any kind of direct or indirect support.
Oh come on, doesn't mean you can't earn few extra real bitcoins riding the bull. Just need to know when you quit.
I'm well aware that most people only thing with their wallet. But I refuse to support human trash like the Bitcoin Cash founders. It's easy enough to make profit without supporting scams or other types of manipulators, but have fun with that.
3906  Economy / Economics / Re: Does this mean Cash will be extinct? on: November 11, 2017, 07:36:05 PM
Very bad idea if this would ever happen, we will have to give up another part of our freedom which already seems to be fading away in so many ways.
I don't see how getting rid of Cash would impede on our freedom, as long as it's not replaced by purely fiat transactions.
3907  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] SONM: Supercomputer Organized by Network Mining on: November 11, 2017, 07:18:34 PM
I believe this could become a 10 billion dollar market, which would make each coin be around 25$, in about 5 years. A lot of people will be selling long before that, and those who buy from them and hodl patiently will reap the rewards.

On what is this speculation based?
Ofcourse nobody will know the exact price but some guys are saying like 1$ in 2018.
25$ will be awesome.
I own about 6000+  tokens and i am very excited  what the price will be in and after 2018.
For now i ofcourse hold for a while and will be buying some new tokens the end of this month.

Will sonm  come with a masternode in the near feature?
I don't know where he got his estimate, but it's very much in line with reality. Just look up some reports about cloud computing and projections. It's not difficult to snatch a 1% market share which would already put SONM at $1.3 billion at today's values. This number will grow rapidly with the increased demand in cloud computing alone. If SONM manages to increase it's market share that would drastically improve its valuation too.

Note that he actually said in about 5 years, which is quite a stretch from 2018. In 2018 $1 will be pretty easy, which would imply a market cap of only 400 million.
It makes me feel like a bagholder, when the prices are red, I think I should have sold and rebought at the bottom. Than I realise that in the end it is just better to hold, wait for the team to deliver the software next year Q3 and we will see where we at. At this point, I don't even look at the price or care what the price is per SONM. I know this team will be able to make the product and they will make it great. I am telling you that 1€ is possible on the long run, I don't see SONM getting any attention now from big traders because of all the stuff that is going on now with bitcoin, bitcoin cash and the segwit2x bitcoin.
The thing with shorting is that it can go horribly wrong very quickly. When I don't have anything else to do I sometimes set a small portion of my holdings aside for trading, but that is mostly out of boredom.

I don't pick altcoins that don't have a very realistic chance to sustainably increase in value over long periods of time, because I don't really care about playing the games that traders and whales are into. I just want to support strong projects with my investments and eventually get a share of the profits in return.

Nothing wrong with trading though, I'm sure it would've been a lot of fun to me when I was in my teens. But now there are too many other things that I want to do to bother with flipping numbers on a computer screen.
3908  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: WAVES | Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform | unofficial supporters topic on: November 11, 2017, 07:02:01 PM
Very nice!

Since you're "only" being hopeful about going mainnet at the end of the month, what do you think the latest date at which the mainnet will go live could be?
3909  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] SONM: Supercomputer Organized by Network Mining on: November 11, 2017, 06:55:04 PM
I believe this could become a 10 billion dollar market, which would make each coin be around 25$, in about 5 years. A lot of people will be selling long before that, and those who buy from them and hodl patiently will reap the rewards.

On what is this speculation based?
Ofcourse nobody will know the exact price but some guys are saying like 1$ in 2018.
25$ will be awesome.
I own about 6000+  tokens and i am very excited  what the price will be in and after 2018.
For now i ofcourse hold for a while and will be buying some new tokens the end of this month.

Will sonm  come with a masternode in the near feature?
I don't know where he got his estimate, but it's very much in line with reality. Just look up some reports about cloud computing and projections. It's not difficult to snatch a 1% market share which would already put SONM at $1.3 billion at today's values. This number will grow rapidly with the increased demand in cloud computing alone. If SONM manages to increase it's market share that would drastically improve its valuation too.

Note that he actually said in about 5 years, which is quite a stretch from 2018. In 2018 $1 will be pretty easy, which would imply a market cap of only 400 million.
3910  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CrowdSale Ended]🌟🌟🌟🌟 NVO Decentralized Exchange | MultiWallet 🌟🌟🌟🌟 on: November 11, 2017, 06:17:53 PM
I'm getting below error while sweeping. Any suggestions, please

The sweep from address 1*************h is complete.
Sweep results:

NVST: Funds not sent due to failure.

are you using the counter wallet? i never was able to sweep. i used this tool: https://github.com/Jpja/Sweep-XCP-Paperwallet

And it worked.
Counterparty wallet didn't let me sweep either.

What is happening with the NVO wallet though?
3911  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: BTC is dead. The plan is a shift to Bitcoin Cash. on: November 11, 2017, 06:16:33 PM
I think BTC will be back to normal as soon as possible. These kinds of events are very damaging to the market.
But i think BTC not come back easily previous destination.Still now huge falling down $6400 in https://coinmarketcap.com
When BTC down then alt coin is start shows green signal.I hope BTC will be increased after in December.
It's a tiny drop... Even if it dropped to $5000 that would still be insignificant. It's a normal correction and happens every time it pumps.

Meanwhile Bitcoin Cash is obviously being manipulated by Bitmain.

We don't care, they keep pumping it hard. There is nothing to get attracted by bitcoin cash. I'm not gonna get fooled by those bitcoin cashers. They can dump on you in a blink of an eye. If you take the risk of bitcoin cash, you'll earn a lot or lose too much. Let's see.
I'm staying out of Bitcoin Cash too. I don't even care if it could make me profits, the people who created it are morally corrupt and don't deserve any kind of direct or indirect support.
3912  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are you surprise by bitcoin price now? on: November 11, 2017, 05:41:56 PM
everyday there is a new drama on bitcoin xD
Bunch of bored people as well as a bunch of manipulators. Nothing that is unique to Bitcoin.
3913  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ERC20 vs waves on: November 11, 2017, 05:41:02 PM

I prefer ERC20 based token rather than waves based token.firstly waves is less popular compare to ERC20.Most of people like to buy token from etherbased  token.Infact they are more confident to buy from ether based token.So that's why i will choose ERC20 to make my token more popular.

The waves platform asset was garbage there is so many waves asset that can be considered as dead coin and many people are interested in using the ethereum rather than waves itself.
A lot of the waves project becomes fail
Projects failing or not has nothing to do with the platform they are created on.

There are far more dead/shitty ERC20 coins than Waves coins, simply because the platform existed for far longer.
3914  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you think bitcoin gold value will rise to bitcoin value on: November 11, 2017, 05:32:13 PM
To be realistic not a single alt can be matched bitcoin in price, only one option can be done for alt to be more popular then bitcoin. But this is also hard to be accomplished if we look in long term. For bitcoin gold think it will be less valued then bitcoin cash and also it will be less popular then bitcoin cash. Maybe for long term can be consider good option but there are some better coin for that purpose.


That's not really true. It will take some time but unless Bitcoin stabilizes around trillions of dollars, there will eventually be an altcoin that will be worth more than Bitcoin. It's just a matter of time before the first altcoin reaches a value in the $100 to $500 billion range and beyond. A portfolio of alts (similar to an ETF) could even be worth trillions. Granted this will take 5-10 years or longer, but it will most likely happen.
3915  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: BTC is dead. The plan is a shift to Bitcoin Cash. on: November 11, 2017, 05:29:34 PM
I think BTC will be back to normal as soon as possible. These kinds of events are very damaging to the market.
But i think BTC not come back easily previous destination.Still now huge falling down $6400 in https://coinmarketcap.com
When BTC down then alt coin is start shows green signal.I hope BTC will be increased after in December.
It's a tiny drop... Even if it dropped to $5000 that would still be insignificant. It's a normal correction and happens every time it pumps.

Meanwhile Bitcoin Cash is obviously being manipulated by Bitmain.
3916  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] SONM: Supercomputer Organized by Network Mining on: November 11, 2017, 05:20:27 PM
I believe this could become a 10 billion dollar market, which would make each coin be around 25$, in about 5 years. A lot of people will be selling long before that, and those who buy from them and hodl patiently will reap the rewards.
Could easily be in the hundreds of billions around 2027~2030 if it follows similar growth patterns to other tech companies.
3917  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ANN [MCO] MONACO #1 Cryptocurrency Payments Card on: November 11, 2017, 05:15:59 PM
But this would then also make me wonder about VISA. Wouldn't they do their due diligence and try everything they can to not partner with a company that might get sued for shady operations?
Visa is not legally liable if MonaCo ends up deliberately manipulating the token price (which I am not saying they will, but they definitely can with the current model).

Despite my responses, I actually like the idea of the card. I'm just not going to let shills post bullshit and make it appear as if everything is rainbows and unicorns in here when it clearly isn't. And right now there's a massive problem with the removal of the asset contract, which so far still doesn't have any replacement solution, as well as the issue with the card reservation once the token price gets too high for normal people to care.

I agree with you but still it is a bit weird how the whole process is going. You would expect VISA to be very careful before engaging in contracts with a crypto startup like this one. But who knows maybe they don't even care as much as we would think.
Visa cares about one thing, money. If they can create a scenario in which they can profit while keeping their name clean, they will most likely go that route. And if it came to public attention that MonaCo baited and switched investors with the asset contract, Visa would simply play oblivious to the fact and get off scot-free.


By the way, with 20000 cards and an average of $1000 transaction volume per year, that would make the dividend of a single token $0.7 per year.

And that's only the amount of cards that was ordered since the ICO. At the same rate there should be more than 100k cards at the end of next year, so each token would give a yearly dividend of more than $3.5 per year. Imagine you bought 10k tokens at $2 for $20,000, then you would be getting $35,000 for your investment every year from 2019.

And this number would grow very quickly as the amounts of cards increase. If cards kept getting ordered at the same rate, in 2020 the same investment would return $70,000 in dividends, and in 2025 the dividend would be $245,000. In 2030 this would be more than $500,000 per year. So in total we'd get a return of at least $2,730,000 at the end of 2030 out of a $20,000 investment with at least $500,000 of extra income per year from that point onward.

And in reality the amount of cards should be going up much faster because of active marketing, which so far MonaCo didn't really do.
3918  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin regaining dominance. on: November 11, 2017, 05:03:20 PM
Update: bitcoin has been losing dominance, mainly vs bitcoin cash:


A bit over 5% and some people commenting recently seem to not have realized. There are some gains in dominance but from all the rest of small alts together, nothing very significant. What is significant is Bitcoin Cash spike as there are many debates on wether it will become the real Bitcoin or it is just another case of pump and dump.
Bitcoin Cash is just a shady fork by Bitmain that is trying to play central bank and protect its ASIC business. Complete waste of resources. Hopefully the new crypto investors will actually understand what Bitcoin is about and realize that Bitcoin Cash is the opposite of what Bitcoin should be and move away from it.
3919  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: why should governments allow bitcoin to continue grow? on: November 11, 2017, 04:59:00 PM
Because any forward thinking government wouldn't want to be left behind. And most importantly, billions of taxes can be collected from the businesses that will generate from the bitcoin economy.
Governments don't think forward though. Most politicians are just slaves to money and it's virtually impossible to really push humanity forward through political means.
3920  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are We Dead Without China? on: November 11, 2017, 12:33:47 AM
in my opinion, if China shut down everything, everything will. China is just a major contributor to bitcoin. The majority are still outside of China and it is very negative for you to say that we are dependent on China.
Yes, they do bitcoin transactions more quickly due to mining in china and are known in their country due to low electricity costs.
But china will never be the cause of bitcoin death. We are experiencing it now, low prices and slow deals. Bitcoin is still alive. It just needs more support.
Definitely not going to happen. If China really disappeared from the crypto market (and investors won't give a shit about laws, they will keep trading anyways if the rest of the world does too) the prices will simply go down and a lot of people will happily buy up the cheap coins.
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