This is a self selecting group who are already into NXT. Offering it on the other markets would promote it to a larger group of users.

They wouldn't be all released at the same time. Assets need to be able to be deposited (bailed in) into, and redeemed (bailed out), of any of the exchange platforms.

Might as well have it on XCP counterparty and MSC mastercoin as well as NXT AE so it's in all of the markets.

Given the amount of time you spend on this topic, you must not have much of a life.

You are just the kind of redundant noise which lowers the value of Bitcoin Talk.

I would prefer to be able to follow projects and their news here, but people like yourself have driven projects to their own forums. You represent a gross waste of theirs and my time, but then, that is why there is an ignore function.

Edit: First time I ever used ignore...too bad it still shows his presence.

Yes, github repository is https://github.com/skycoin/skycoin , instructions are at https://github.com/skycoin/skycoin/wiki/Installation . I've gotten it running on Ubuntu on Virtualbox. The instructions left something up to the imagination. I had to go through several layers of dependencies.

I gave it a try, both minimizing and hiding behind other windows. It seems to work fine now. I didn't try it with Bitcoin-QT running, will comment if problem returns later.

Thanks!

OK. Too bad it doesn't go to the developers working on the project, though they explained the philosophy behind Counterparty at the Ethereum Meetup. The refund arrived, sorry it came out of your pockets.

Now its time to work on adding some more colors to my Counterwallet screen by adding some more assets.

Ouch, thanks! I knew the send fee goes to miners, about .00015 BTC total in Mastercoin with the three separate destinations. You're saying the 1% transaction fee on orders goes to BTC miners as well? This seems really high.

I received a nice PM from Counterwallet. They are very helpful and willing to refund the BTC. I'm really happy to find it didn't disappear into a black hole. The counterwallet looks like it will evolve into a great exchange platform. Other than the confirmation glitch, I was able to figure it out intuitively in about 15 minutes. It'll be fun exploring the asset types.

So I noticed. I cancelled them, but I'm short 0.1451838 BTC, original deposit 2.02 BTC + .15 BTC extra - 2.02 filled order - 0.0048162 final BTC balance after 7 orders cancelled. Is there someone who can issue a refund of the missing BTC. That's about $64 USD at current prices. Where do the fees go?

I pushed 1 of the 8 orders through by adding BTC to my balance and paying it off. The other 7 have been promoted to 14 open orders expiring in about 11 days with a cancel option. Should I cancel to get the fee refunded or is it better to let them expire?

Counterwallet seems to log out every time I minimize or hide the window. Is this normal? I have to have it up and covering the screen as long as a transaction is pending?

I completed 1 transaction by depositing an extra .15 BTC and paying. Will the other 7 eventually time out, cancel, and refund the transaction fee to my BTC balance? If so, do I need to leave counterwallet visible and stay logged in for the refunds to process?

I've sent another .15 BTC to bring the BTC balance up, guess I should have read this first. I may need to have some extra dust anyway. We'll see how it goes. Thanks for the reply. The confirmation pop-up has to go. I service computers and see how regular people use them. This will never fly for the average user in its current state.

I have 8 orders (shows as 16 line items) showing in counterwallet. There should only one. First 7 were from Firefox which showed no confirmation when order was placed, 8th was from Chrome, which showed a popup window for confirmation when the order was placed. Will the first order fill and the rest just go away? Using pop-ups for confirmation is a REALLY bad idea - should go to a confirmation page instead. Is there a way to cancel the extra orders?

I'm also showing a lower BTC balance, 1.8583 instead of the 2.02 BTC I started with - has it been eaten away by all these orders? Does this mean all of 8 orders will fail because the BTC balance is no longer at 2? When I placed the order, it said the total cost was 2.02 BTC, now I'm down to 1.8583 BTC with no order filled.

Anyway to invest in the IPO using the XCP command line interface? If so, how?

My only complaint is that the original terms of the offering were changed after the sale started by limiting Mastercoin investment to 50% instead of just letting the sale proceed according to the original terms. If they only wanted 25% Mastercoin and the rest in Bitcoin, then these limits should have been in place and announced prior to the sale. It would have been much better to only accept Mastercoin for the sale at the original price they wanted based on the prevailing .08 BTC/MSC valuation. Mastercoin could continually resell the MSC back into the market for BTC during the presale to aquire the BTC they wanted, assuring a sufficient supply of MSC for the sale by recycling it, and stabilizing the MSC price during the sale by controlling the supply.

While I think it was a bad idea to allow investment from two different currencies at a pegged rate to each other, with very predictable results, this was announced prior to the sale. Investors knew about the rate differential going in. My computer has a calculator, which I used to compare the rates and relative price difference. In Windows, the calculator is under Start/Accesories/Calculator. On the Mac, it is in Dashboard. A spreadsheet may also be used to brute force this task.

From seeing how Protoshares rose before the snapshot for Bitshares and fell back to its previous level after, it could be assumed Mastercoin might do the same, so it would be safe to price Mastercoin purchased Safecoin at the level at which MSC was trading prior to the announcement of the Maidsafe presale. From sales volume of MSC from the Maidsafe announcement of the 3400 safecoin/MSC rate to the start of the sale it appeared that at least 20% of the sale would be from newly purchased Mastercoin alone. The unknown was the amount of MSC held by prior investors which would enter the presale.

I knew this and considered staying up for the start of the presale with my finger on the Mastercoin Sell button, but had not decided how much of the MSC I wanted to exchange for Safecoin, so decided to wait until the next day to see how things went. I wasn't surprised by the flood of MSC, but, again, I was very disappointed by the unannounced limit and cutoff. This would damage both Maidsafe and Mastercoin. After I cooled off, I ended up purchasing some Safecoin with BTC, and later, exchanged some MSC when the opportunity became available.

It would have been much better for Maidsafe to allow the sale to progress under the original terms, even if it meant ending up with only MSC. Bitcoin buyers could still buy in on the open market at a comparable price as Safecoin shares were sold by those just using them to exit MSC as they are now.

The current state isn't much different from a typical IPO where brokers are reselling the issued shares at a markup, only in this case, the brokers are previous MSC holders cashing out. While this is not how we like to see things done in our community, since crypto currencies are all about eliminating parasitic middlemen, it is a standard practice in conventional IPOs.

I still think Maidsafe is a strong project with a lot of potential, and a very good opportunity at current prices.

So, when is the pre-sale?

Sounds like we need a dustbin to pull dust from as needed.

That's art. Had to save it for possible use in an email exchange I've been having with a party who has been described as a "Flaming Asshole"

It was interesting that the Old Testament had a safe guard against concentration of land ownership, the Jubilee every 50 years. All debts were cleared and land restored to original owners. The periods leading up to the Jubilees must have been interesting times in the markets.