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41  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRT] Particle | CPU/GPU, Fast, Easy Mine, * NO PREMINE * | Official Thread on: April 26, 2014, 01:20:11 PM
6. Particle Shares program website comes online
HI moonmoon,This Shares is PRT owners?
Yes

if my PRT must put in my wallet or not?
Yes :-)
42  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRT] Particle | CPU/GPU, Fast, Easy Mine, * NO PREMINE * | Official Thread on: April 26, 2014, 04:01:11 AM
6. Particle Shares program website comes online
HI moonmoon,This Shares is PRT owners?
Yes
43  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRT] Particle | CPU/GPU, Fast, Easy Mine, * NO PREMINE * | Official Thread on: April 26, 2014, 01:29:31 AM
I've also setup a Twitter for the multipool @ShockPools.  https://twitter.com/ShockPools

Gone twitter happy ;-)  But, it seems to be where all the crypto folks are hanging these days.  I'm shopping around for the hardware/hosting for the multipool now.
44  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRT] Particle | CPU/GPU, Fast, Easy Mine, * NO PREMINE * | Official Thread on: April 25, 2014, 11:49:03 PM
That's a work of art moonmoon. 

Are you planning to have shares sold for the exchange like some of the other exchanges have?  I have continually been impressed by your ideas and results so I think this is one I would actually want to invest in.
Thank you :-)

Just hold PRT.  Investor guide will explain.  ;-)
45  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRT] Particle | CPU/GPU, Fast, Easy Mine, * NO PREMINE * | Official Thread on: April 25, 2014, 07:07:44 PM
This is what is coming for the exchange.  This screenshot is from me mocking up the chart layout.  Those are wired up now.  I cleaned it up a little and desaturated some of the colors more.  For staring at the screen trading all night Wink  I took some inspiration from bitcoinwisdom for the trading interface.



Particle of course will feature prominently on the exchange.  The system architecture is really cool.  The backend is a decentralized/distributed architecture running on very similar core technology as MaidSafe.  This is not one of those one page PHP exchange scripts with hot wallets on the web server Tongue  This is a multi-tier message oriented architecture designed for scalability and to handle high volume.  The trade engine is built on similar architecture as the LMAX principle - high performance single threaded trade processor, avoids race conditions and locking issues.

This has features that will appeal to pro traders.  Stop loss / Take Profit, range orders (e.g. I want to buy 1,000,000 particles on the PRT/BTC market from .00000200 to .00000300 spread at 5 satoshi intervals), price alerts, etc.

I will have this code complete today, then time for more testing and tweaking and build the live infrastructure.

Thought I would post a screenshot so you can see that this stuff is real and not just fluff.  Its real.  Its coming very soon.  This is the first time anyone in the public is seeing this.  I have partnered up with a big name in the business.

You'll see how this ties in to Particle when I release the monthly investors guide.
46  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRT] Particle | CPU/GPU, Fast, Easy Mine, * NO PREMINE * | Official Thread on: April 25, 2014, 06:43:30 PM
When will we enjoy the new PRT multipool? Can't wait! My new PC has got ready to rock! Grin
I am finishing the exchange code today.  Over the weekend I will finalize the android wallet, test the exchange, and build the multipool server probably on Sunday.

Rough order of events that is coming:

1. Exchange beta is released
2. Android wallet is released
3. Multipool comes online
4. Updated QT Wallet release
5. Website is updated with a nicer landing page
6. Particle Shares program website comes online
7. Point of Sale system development roadmap and release plan finalized
8. Point of Sale system website/landing page comes online

I am going to take a page from Blackcoin and put together a nice monthly investors guide.  The first one will explain how all of this plugs together and how the dividends are going to work - and supply buy pressure similar to how the multipool will supply buy pressure.  I will drop it along with a video next week.
47  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRT] Particle | CPU/GPU, Fast, Easy Mine, * NO PREMINE * | Official Thread on: April 25, 2014, 02:50:59 AM
@CoinStrype is the twitter for the Particle point of sale system.  https://twitter.com/CoinStrype
48  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRT] Particle | CPU/GPU, Fast, Easy Mine, * NO PREMINE * | Official Thread on: April 24, 2014, 11:31:52 PM
Yes, our pool will work the same as blackcoinpool.  So, you would want to be using your GPU's to mine hot Scrypt or Scrypt-N coins (e.g. whitecoin, asiacoin, vertcoin, etc.) or SHA coins (mazacoin, unobtanium, takcoin, etc.) for maximum profitability there.  And then there would be an additional port for PRT quark miner.  You could run the cpu miner against the prt port while you run the gpu miner against the profit-switching port etc.

Shares are based on the work submitted.  The work is dependent on the hashing algorithm used.  Hence why you have different ports by algorithm.

I'm leaning towards doing a combination of what Hilux suggested with the pool fee's going into the bonus fund, and taking a % of the dividend for the mining bonus fund as well.  Those dividends will be nothing to sneeze at so it should provide a nice incentive.

Ok, back to work on the exchange.  Almost done :-)  I've been playing with the android wallet on my phone too.  Few more tweaks.
49  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRT] Particle | CPU/GPU, Fast, Easy Mine, * NO PREMINE * | Official Thread on: April 24, 2014, 11:10:53 PM
What if we added an additional port on the multipool for direct mining of PRT.  So, you could hookup to the Scrypt, Scrypt-N, X11, or SHA ports to earn payouts in PRT, but then also connect up to the PRT port.  And we take like 20% of the net PRT from the multipool and divide it up amongst people as a bonus for mining on the direct port?

I'm just throwing out ideas...

Here is an idea.

From the PRT payout GPU multipool take a 2-5% fee from users.  On a secondary PRT mining only pool you could pad the PRT miners rewards with the 2-5% collected from the GPU pool.  In many cases users will be part of both pools so what is taken as a fee from one hand is essentially given back to the other hand with the primary benefit of giving people a good incentive to support the PRT network with their CPU.  It also is a nice benefit for 'poor' miners that only CPU mine making them loyal pillars of the PRT community.
What if you could only receive dividends if you were also an active miner on the PRT port for at least x% of the reporting period.  Or is that too restrictive?  What if your dividend share was increased a certain % if you were an active miner on the PRT port proportional to the % of the reporting period that you were mining?  Perhaps we take 10% of the dividends and reserve them for the bonus to the PRT port miners?
50  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRT] Particle | CPU/GPU, Fast, Easy Mine, * NO PREMINE * | Official Thread on: April 24, 2014, 10:35:35 PM
I dont know if this is technically possible but

What about a Pool that does Multimining for the price and PRT mining for the nethash rate.
It should assign as many workers to PRT mining as needed to keep the nethash rate up to a predefined minimum

Something like Dedicated pool?

http://dedicatedpool.com/
http://wc.dedicatedpool.com/index.php


Yes this is exactly what I'm thinking of.  But remember PRT is the quark algorithm, whereas most of the multipool mining people are renting Scrypt/Scrypt-N or SHA miners for.  I know with SHA I will put my ASIC farm on it.  With Scrypt people will rent rigs or point their GPU's at it.  For PRT, its quark, and there aren't a lot of qrk or x11 (which is just qrk + a couple more crypto functions) coins out.  So we would want people mining on the multipool to point their local cpu miners at the direct port, and then find a way to reward them for doing it.
51  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRT] Particle | CPU/GPU, Fast, Easy Mine, * NO PREMINE * | Official Thread on: April 24, 2014, 10:23:21 PM
moonmoon, what are your thoughts on reducing the total number of coins ?

We could do it easily, but we also want to make sure there is enough headroom to continue rewarding miners for adding hashpower to the network.  Right now the block reward is 45 PRT.
52  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRT] Particle | CPU/GPU, Fast, Easy Mine, * NO PREMINE * | Official Thread on: April 24, 2014, 10:22:31 PM
What if we added an additional port on the multipool for direct mining of PRT.  So, you could hookup to the Scrypt, Scrypt-N, X11, or SHA ports to earn payouts in PRT, but then also connect up to the PRT port.  And we take like 20% of the net PRT from the multipool and divide it up amongst people as a bonus for mining on the direct port?

I'm just throwing out ideas...
53  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRT] Particle | CPU/GPU, Fast, Easy Mine, * NO PREMINE * | Official Thread on: April 24, 2014, 10:06:41 PM
Maybe there is a way to tie the multipool rewards into hashrate on the PRT network.  The multipool is psuedonymous so there are no user accounts.  Anybody have any creative ideas on how to tie the two together to incentivize people to also put cpu mining power on PRT?
54  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRT] Particle | CPU/GPU, Fast, Easy Mine, * NO PREMINE * | Official Thread on: April 24, 2014, 09:57:00 PM
Does anyone have any thoughts on how we might migrate to Proof of Stake?  Proof of Stake has a slightly different block format then the regular blockchain.  The only way I can see to do it would be to create a new Particle2 blockchain and do a 1:1 swap out of the coins, which scares me and I think is dangerous because we would need to get all of the exchanges and pools on board.  I think it is too disruptive.

What I'm trying to think of is if there is a way to migrate the existing blockchain and add the PoS functionality after a hardfork.  We could hardcode it to ignore coinstake until after the hardfork.  But how do we pull the existing blockchain in so the block headers have the PoS mods... this is what I'm thinking through now.  If we could construct the new PoS enabled blockchain from the existing one, then its an easy matter to hardfork it and require everyone to simply update their client.  I'm just not sure how to do this without winding up with two clients within one codebase that knows how to do the conversion, which is a lot of work.  I'm not sure if you had a normal peer and a PoS peer if the PoS one would be able to accept the block inventory.  Maybe it would "just work".  In that case, I could simply stand up the PoS node let it sync and build the new blockchain, and then we do a hardfork.

I'm not aware of any other coins that have successfully done this migration, does anyone know of one?

Open to any ideas.
I'm not sure how different the main code is between algos, but the only Quark based coin with POS so far has been PROBE.  And I would say it has been somewhat of a disaster with forking happening over and over.  Whether the forking problems are due to the POS code I'm not sure.  Might be interesting for you to look over that code and see if it gives you ideas. 

I do remember Bottlecaps (one of the earlier POS scrypt coins) have lots of forking issues at one point that was due to errors in the POS code.  As another warning Bottlecaps just never really recovered after a few forks as people lost confidence...

**Are you back to thinking POS instead of the Dividend idea you mentioned a few days ago?
not instead of, in addition to.

I am setting up a multipool, but my concern was that folks will mine on the multipool instead of as opposed to in addition to mining on PRT.  The ideal situation would be that people do both.

The value of PRT will be enough to incentivize people to mine it, but I am concerned about the nethash rate.  Which is why I started thinking about PoS again.

I read through some code, and I'm pretty sure I could make the migration work seamlessly, but now I am debating whether it is worth it, because of the issues you illustrate.  The PoS stuff is not foolproof and comes with baggage of its own.  It would also mean essentially going backwards in time a couple of versions of the bitcoin core and losing some RPC functionality etc.  I know PoS is a popular fad right now, but I am not too thrilled about it and the legacy codebase you have to use.

Right now PRT is relatively cheap, I know its gone up a bit % wise on BTER but at the moment it is cheap - but it is not going to remain so for long with the things that are coming.  Thats a good thing, but it also brings concerns because as we climb coinmarketcap and start dropping news we are going to start gaining a lot more attention.  One thing I am thinking about at the least is automated checkpointing.

I just want to make sure we maintain hashrate on our network in addition to mining on the multipool for payouts in PRT.  Because we aren't PoS we need both.
55  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRT] Particle | CPU/GPU, Fast, Easy Mine, * NO PREMINE * | Official Thread on: April 24, 2014, 09:03:30 PM
Does anyone have any thoughts on how we might migrate to Proof of Stake?  Proof of Stake has a slightly different block format then the regular blockchain.  The only way I can see to do it would be to create a new Particle2 blockchain and do a 1:1 swap out of the coins, which scares me and I think is dangerous because we would need to get all of the exchanges and pools on board.  I think it is too disruptive.

What I'm trying to think of is if there is a way to migrate the existing blockchain and add the PoS functionality after a hardfork.  We could hardcode it to ignore coinstake until after the hardfork.  But how do we pull the existing blockchain in so the block headers have the PoS mods... this is what I'm thinking through now.  If we could construct the new PoS enabled blockchain from the existing one, then its an easy matter to hardfork it and require everyone to simply update their client.  I'm just not sure how to do this without winding up with two clients within one codebase that knows how to do the conversion, which is a lot of work.  I'm not sure if you had a normal peer and a PoS peer if the PoS one would be able to accept the block inventory.  Maybe it would "just work".  In that case, I could simply stand up the PoS node let it sync and build the new blockchain, and then we do a hardfork.

I'm not aware of any other coins that have successfully done this migration, does anyone know of one?

Open to any ideas.
56  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRT] Particle | CPU/GPU, Fast, Easy Mine, * NO PREMINE * | Official Thread on: April 24, 2014, 09:12:16 AM
this is a good coin. but little people to promote it. the community are short of hands. only moonmoon work hard at coding and everything. no one to charge of the marketing. it's really a pity. who will make the future? only moonmoon can do it right now.
Activity is picking up on Twitter and more folks are starting to get involved.  As we keep climbing CoinMarketCap we will capture people's interest again soon.
57  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRT] Particle | CPU/GPU, Fast, Easy Mine, * NO PREMINE * | Official Thread on: April 23, 2014, 05:19:12 AM
I've been giving some more thought to the multipool idea.  It would be in addition to the other things we have planned.  Is it something you guys would be interested in?  What would you want support for?  Scrypt, Scrypt-N, SHA, and then you can CPU mine Particle against our existing pools while you GPU mine profitable scrypt coins, Scrypt-N, X11 coins, SHA256, etc against the multipool?  I could set this up once I have the exchange launched in a week or two.  But how would it work?  Any suggestions?  I'm trying to plan out the rollouts of the different things that are coming over the next month.  Where would you prioritize a multipool if we did one?  Would you mine on it?

The simplest solution is to get one of the big multipools already supporting payouts in coins other than BTC to add PRT to the salad bar.  Hashcows now pays out in multiple currencies like Hobonickels (HBN) and as of yesterday Quark (QRK).  I believe to add Quark it cost 10,000QRK so a quick guess would be a cost of 200,000PRT to get PRT added as a payment option.  I believe that is something the Particle Foundation would support (ie for example 100,000 from the foundation, 100,000 from user donations).
Would someone be willing to research this over the next week and find out what our options are?
58  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRT] Particle | CPU/GPU, Fast, Easy Mine, * NO PREMINE * | Official Thread on: April 23, 2014, 03:28:24 AM
I've been giving some more thought to the multipool idea.  It would be in addition to the other things we have planned.  Is it something you guys would be interested in?  What would you want support for?  Scrypt, Scrypt-N, SHA, and then you can CPU mine Particle against our existing pools while you GPU mine profitable scrypt coins, Scrypt-N, X11 coins, SHA256, etc against the multipool?  I could set this up once I have the exchange launched in a week or two.  But how would it work?  Any suggestions?  I'm trying to plan out the rollouts of the different things that are coming over the next month.  Where would you prioritize a multipool if we did one?  Would you mine on it?
59  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRT] Particle | CPU/GPU, Fast, Easy Mine, * NO PREMINE * | Official Thread on: April 23, 2014, 01:15:18 AM
Can we get http://www.cryptokk.com/ removed from the exchanges list on the first post please?

The message on their homepage states that it was hacked and all users coins gone!
Done.  Arrgh, yet another one down.

People be careful out there with your coins, don't use exchanges as a wallet!  Your going to want to be withdrawing your coins to your wallets at least weekly soon anyway.  Wink


Moonmoon, have you seen that BBcode of the first post, which I made and what is your opinion about it?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=392804.msg4801778#msg4801778
The original post is now updated with this  Grin Grin Grin
60  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRT] Particle | CPU/GPU, Fast, Easy Mine, * NO PREMINE * | Official Thread on: April 23, 2014, 12:26:21 AM
I have sent 100k of my own PRT to @BoardDavid on Twitter who will be running a Twitter Particle promotion.  Follow him there for details.  https://twitter.com/boarddavid
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