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41  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: giving 0.48 BTC for 29k XRP on: January 31, 2015, 06:57:58 PM
now two offers:
 0.46 BTC per 29k XRP for fast turnaround
 0.48 BTC per 29k XRP for < 24 hour turnaround

I'll get prices back up to 0.5 when it's possible, the deluge of free XRP has driven the value down comparable to a surging BTC.

1) Login to your Ripple client and transfer 29000 XRP to my address rnW7DHtmZGJk4uhGTSU2BW3iPCPWb2xegg
2) PM me on Bitcointalk with your Ripple address and your bitcoin address (or email me on btc at webr3.org )

Transactions should be fairly fast, although I may be afc for a couple of hours. If I receive more than I require I'll return it back to you instantly + 500XRP for your trouble.

waiting over 1 year to get my xrp back ...
42  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: giving 0.47 BTC for 29k XRP on: January 31, 2015, 06:55:56 PM
10 posts... have an otc?

actually webr3 was the person that first alerted me to bitcoin ... ive been on here a few years ... can vouch he's legit

* Retracted *
43  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 30, 2015, 06:47:58 PM
Status Update:  Aha! is back up and running - Thanks to everyone who helped me cover cost for this month Cheesy
Roadmap is back up. However, the timeline does not fully reflect our current strategic outlook. Some tasks or milestones may need to be updated, some have been completed and some are still pending.

https://bitmark.aha.io/published/4457ddb73f8f65e4b34ace9b319a4942?page=1

Which milestones have been completed?

https://bitmark.aha.io/published/4457ddb73f8f65e4b34ace9b319a4942?page=2

Which others have been started, where is the evidence?

I cant find the code:

http://vps.bitmark.co/git

Thanks for the update.  Have not seen markp more than once this month, and that was to say he's trying to source  more funding, that the project had 'gone low' and that code was coming in the next week. 

I also got an email from a major site (crowdbucks) two days ago cc'ing mark and asking if they can start implementing marking.   They have been waiting since September, on the message

Quote
I sincerely hope we can work together over the coming months to knowledge share and perhaps change the world a little, one mark at a time.

Please consider me at your disposal and available to discuss anything at any time. For now I am focused on bringing the system to a tangible reality, something concrete and usable around which we can base further discourse.

But there's no reply I have seen, and dont know what to say.

I'd love this project to be successful and support it, but convince us that the project is active and that the donations have not run out and work stopped ... lots of us want to believe this project is a going concern.  Help us understand.
44  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 20, 2015, 01:22:43 PM
Since this coin has reached it's Q1 first quarter today, I thought I'd give a mini update from a developer perspective.  It's just my own personal view, and does not necessarily reflect view of others or the community.

I've been on this project for just over a month and first of all it's been a lot of fun.  First of all thanks to everyone that has taken part, particularly coinsolidation, who I am amazed has not collapsed of exhaustion yet!  The team is great to work with and everyone has their thing, it's a very enjoyable vibe.  The project area has grown from about 10 people to over 80 in the last month, with some people looking in and some more regular.  There seems to be quite a lot going on in the pipe line, and it's also seems to be operating in the way of a DAC (decentralized autonomous corporation).  So it can be full of surprises sometimes, and everyone can choose their own level of participation.  

Development seems to me to be going quite well.  There's lots of things being worked on and a regular stream of releases coming out, small and big, on the topic of marking.  I would say it's more on the smallish side right now, than the big, but that can change easily.  Markpfennig has a big release in trello that can be tracked, so that is something we're all looking forward to.  Poloniex did an excellent rollout of marking in the space of a few days.  Kudos.

We now have prototypes of marking on a number of platforms:

- slack
- irc
- twitter
- poloniex
- cli / shell
- web
- bitcointalk (yes you can mark here - shhh)
- browser based client side certificates (including android)

These range mainly from proof of concept to full production quality as in poloniex.

What I see as being in the pipeline is:

- email
- github
- android client
- soundcloud
- vimeo
- youtube
- much more!

And quite a bit more.  At the same time maturing the existing work, scaling it, making it robust, security etc.  It seems to get a little better each day, so hopefully that will continue.

Relationships seem to be going pretty well and we actually seem to be working well with lots of other teams.  From my experience that's a rare pleasure in free software, so I think that's a positive.

Our web integration I think is getting really quite strong and we are well placed to be one of the leading coins in the world of REST / Linked Data / Web 3.0 / Semantic Web (all those terms mean similar things) which some people believe is the next logical step for the web -- at least that's what we are betting on.

As with any new technology the transaction levels and users start slow, so the challenge is to increase that, over the next quarter.

I dont normally talk about price, but I think I will give what I see as guidance, take is as you will.  The coin is up almost 1000% in just over a month since I've been involved, which is a pretty decent rise.  Last I checked it was around 110k satoshis.  It's been as high as 250k.  I think a lot of the trading of this project is on *potential* and that's a pretty hard thing to judge, especially if you are not close to the technology at hand.  From a neutral standpoint I thought that when we hit 250k the price was probably ahead of the development at the time and I thought 200k was fair.  Since then imho dev has gone quite well, and I'd say fair would be around 250k sat. now.  So it's a good time to buy or mine cheap coins, imho.  A lot depends on the next 3 quarters, particularly the next quarter.  Watch the metrics primarily of implementations and users, growing tx numbers (mainly off block) and I'd say to a lesser extent mining / trading.  I'd look to consolidate the 250k level then take stock of where we are again.  Well I said more about price than I intended!

I've spoken to quite a few people (technical and non technical) about marking, from artists to geeks.  Most seem to really like the concept.  I keep hearing lots of creative ideas that are inspiring in the same way that bitcoin inspired me in the early days.  For example I really like the mark to tshirt designs that have been discussed.  Hopefully marking is an idea worth spreading and can attract creative people to get involved.  Anyone can help out and make this project what you want it to be.  

Just my 2 marks, hope it helps, looking forward to working with you all!

In fairness to the community I thought I'd give an update on this, as 6 months of the project has passed.  Again it's my own take does not reflect views of anyone else.

The last 3 months have been a disaster.  Core development has dropped about 90%-99% from its peak.  Other metrics have followed such as daily active users (from c. 100 to about 1 -- me!), mining, (from about 100-200Ghz to 0.5 Ghz), price (from 250k peak to 4k trough).  The link I think is largely causal.  The supporting team have gone from highly optimistic to highly confused.  On at least a dozen occasions the core code effort was ready to go from closed source to open on that day.  Month after month this didnt not happen, with those involved in the project wondering why.

One bright moment in the cycle was the release of 0.9.3 which seems to have corrected some previous issues without introducing new ones.

My new fair value is 10k satoshi, reflecting a less engaged founder, but also other systems such as changetip poised to go viral in 2015.  The market share of bitmark, even if it is decentralized decreases by the hour, and it's valuation is based right now mainly on the potential market.  i'd recommend test driving the changetip facebook app which shows what is possible in this space, and also see that they very much have the idea of upvotes in mind.  Tipping / marking is something I'd love to see go viral on the web, let's hope decentralized and open source solutions get some market share from the fast moving centralized versions that have traditionally dominated web markets.

One other concern is the speculation aspect of the coin.  Markp announced yesterday that bitmark had 'gone low'.  There is a consortium of members looking to buy a large number of BTM, presumably cheaply.  The promise is that a large number will be donated to the foundation and used for bounties -- call me a sceptic on this one.  Fund have gone missing 3 times from the foundation, but thankfully have been replaced, allbeit at a lower valuation.  Loans and donations have not been made good wrt the promised deliverables -- we should try and avoid going down this path again.  So this strange new strategy I think is going to be counter productive.  I only hope that it can be actioned as quickly as possible so that the focus can get back to an open source project.

Apparently there's 22 people that want to work on bitmark / marking and an update is coming soon.  IMHO, The focus needs to be brought back to open source, transparency, code and growing users.  I hope in Q3 this project can get back to what it was doing in Q1, and less of what happened in Q2.  2015 could be the year of marking / tipping (I dont see a huge difference other than context). 
45  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 19, 2015, 06:01:41 AM
one confirm came in thanks ...
46  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 18, 2015, 10:38:44 PM
Hey guys, my wallet is not syncing. Any ideas: what's the last add node list? Thanks.

It's likely synchronised, when does it say last block was received?  The network is painfully slow at the moment which triggers the wallet UI to say it's some hours behind the network, when in fact it's not.

You can verify by checking the block height in your client, and comparing to the last block on the explorer.

If it is a network sync issue, simply close and reopen your client and it should connect to one of the master seed nodes and resolve the problem.

having the same issue

Status: 0/unconfirmed
Date: 10.01.15 11:41
To: bYfrFVkB8Trk28PQyE7AxHx8jMeTBAXLZe
Debit: -1600.00 BTM
Net amount: -1600.00 BTM
Transaction ID: b4c5098bb6b11630d2058372acf24d14205cd9360396d6917180d4dd7a210cac-000

has not synced for 3 days

note the wallet was from 0.9.2 but I used 0.9.3 to send

Client just says unconfirmed as do the block explorers.  I didnt intentionally set a 0 fee or anything. 

Nothing urgent, I can wait a week or so and see if it clears itself up

This came thru but I have the same issue from 12 hours ago, with 3 blocks mined in that time:

Status: 0/unconfirmed
Date: 18.01.15 11:37
To: bYfrFVkB8Trk28PQyE7AxHx8jMeTBAXLZe
Debit: -4500.00 BTM
Net amount: -4500.00 BTM
Transaction ID: e4cc7dfc5b5d8304f287113e1244b23a0626845d26be29f6406fbb219eca37d8-000

Any ideas why?
47  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 12, 2015, 10:23:55 PM
Hey guys, my wallet is not syncing. Any ideas: what's the last add node list? Thanks.

It's likely synchronised, when does it say last block was received?  The network is painfully slow at the moment which triggers the wallet UI to say it's some hours behind the network, when in fact it's not.

You can verify by checking the block height in your client, and comparing to the last block on the explorer.

If it is a network sync issue, simply close and reopen your client and it should connect to one of the master seed nodes and resolve the problem.

having the same issue

Status: 0/unconfirmed
Date: 10.01.15 11:41
To: bYfrFVkB8Trk28PQyE7AxHx8jMeTBAXLZe
Debit: -1600.00 BTM
Net amount: -1600.00 BTM
Transaction ID: b4c5098bb6b11630d2058372acf24d14205cd9360396d6917180d4dd7a210cac-000

has not synced for 3 days

note the wallet was from 0.9.2 but I used 0.9.3 to send

Client just says unconfirmed as do the block explorers.  I didnt intentionally set a 0 fee or anything. 

Nothing urgent, I can wait a week or so and see if it clears itself up
48  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 12, 2015, 10:21:00 PM
rent some rigs for a couple of days to move blocks, fixed.

There are 361 blocks left to diff change, renting some hash for a couple of days would make BTM retarget to low diff, which would make it fairly profitable to mine and resolve the slow chain issue for the foreseeable future.


(bitmark foundation) yeah so there's 1000 BTM that's outstanding atm

Foundation balance fully restored with transaction 6987ebe301f9ecf90659c2a888a1445a51f85f6b5c491ecf6ef785066b5979bd . We need to setup an x of y address for the foundation with several people holding the keys and move all funds to it.

tx for sorting this out ... we know you had other thing to take care of ... your attention is appreciated
49  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 12, 2015, 01:59:40 PM
I think the explorer is down

http://bitmark.co:3000/

Would be good if it could be restarted.

seems to be back now ...
50  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 12, 2015, 01:32:25 PM
thanks for sharing that, when in doubt transparency is normally best

im sure it's perfectly innocent and can be cleared up quickly
51  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 11, 2015, 09:50:39 PM
I think the explorer is down

http://bitmark.co:3000/

Would be good if it could be restarted.
52  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 09, 2015, 10:41:16 AM
I agree with the concerns of others on the state of this coin.

It would not be hard to fix the mining issue so I cannot understand why it is not being done. Hard fork in 50 or 100 blocks and add KGW or DGW, done. At the moment it seems leaving it broken is the intent of the devs.

I fear if it is not fixed soon it will be too late.   Sad

Good points but with one fatal flaw.  The devs want the emission of the coin to match the demand of the coin.  Currently there is almost zero demand and therefore almost zero emission.  However that in itself is also a fatal flaw because by the time they actually get past their discussion groups and roadmaps and actually implement *Something* useful, the crypto world will have left BTM behind and moved onto something else.  There are already other coins taking the basic premise behind BTM and running with it, at least one of them will "out BTM" BTM by simply being more proactive. 

Guys/Dev team. We need an algo that keeps the blocks moving even at reduced rewards.  I'd rather see 0.2 BTM every 2 minutes than 20 BTM every 12 hours or so.  Make it happen like yesterday!  Smiley 

KGW and DGW are flawed algos.  DIGI would be my pick (with variable block reward based on hashrate).  If that is past your expertise, I have it on very good authority that the DIGI team are more than happy to help out. 

I really dont think mining should be changed before marking comes out.  It was a day away in december before mark got sick.

If the coin parameters change, before we see core marking, people will switch to another coin. 
53  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 09, 2015, 10:33:24 AM

As EsteNuno says, I have been a little ill since Christmas, nothing serious merely run down after last year and when I stopped I caught a cold and flu. I'm feeling much better now, and more importantly, it appears that this is one ship that cannot sail without a captain, time to get things sorted out and back up to full steam!

Any updates?  Wasnt able to find you on slack or IRC.

Nothing in git for 23 days, and we were told in december code was ready:

http://vps.bitmark.co/git

Is the plan still to move the code from private repositories to open source?
54  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 08, 2015, 02:53:50 PM
Rant on/

What is going on here?  I know I've been a bit quiet here lately as I have had other projects/distractions but when even Nicos gives up on mining BTM, I know this coin is in trouble. I'm not part of the slack clique as I have never been invited but looking at what is going on here at BCT (or rather not going on) it appears there is a severe case of "Fiddling while Rome burns".

Mining of BTM has slowed to a crawl, a few gpu miners on xHash and about 300mh/s on hash-to-coins... At this rate it will take months to the next diff change where will have 6 hours of madness and another 6 months of doldrums at 1953 diff.  THIS is unsustainable.  Dig a grave and bury BTM now.

Unless the clever people in the dev team and/or slack come up with a better solution SOON, this coin will go the way of so many others, which will be a massive shame as it is a brilliant concept that appears (to me) to be badly implemented.  You either need to work out a way to increase the mining on this coin or change the diff parameters to make it more friendly to a lower hash rate.  It pains me to say that as I want the acquisition of BTM to be as difficult as possible but if the demand is just not there, there is no alternative.  

Before you all chip in with roadmaps, etc, don't waste your breath.  We need action not "pie in the sky" plans.  To put my money where my mouth is, I've moved everything I have to Xhash (around 100mh/s) and will leave it there until the end of this month.  I will be mining at a significant loss compared to mining just about everything else, especially considering the current depressed price.  Speaking of the depressed price - the market is speaking, it is a massive vote of no confidence in the non-action of the dev team and the failed implementation deadlines.  WOW, marking on Polo... that was fun for about a week until everyone forgot about it....

If I don't see some positive action by the end of the month, I'll dump my BTM, cut my losses, and move on.  If I was to dump my over 15,000 BTM on Bittrex now, the new price would be 2 satoshis. This is not a threat, just the pleas of someone severely pissed off by the waste through inaction of what should be the best altcoin around.

Rant off/

PS: Clean up the OP. Most of the pools listed are dead.  Or even better, breath some life into the coin so that we can replace the dead pools with live pools.

PPS: Like the poster here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=660544.msg10031495#msg10031495  I too donated to the cause.  Mine was a donation but I was led to believe it would be converted to a loan, so confident was everyone back then.  Like him, I've seen nothing.  Don't worry about me, I originally gave not lent, but it is very poor form not to pay your promised debts.

All fair points IMHO.  Respect for mining at a loss and supporting the project still.

The value proposition is core dev ie marking, not mining emission.  Fix core dev and marking everything else starts to fix itself. 

I hope this project continues as there's some great ideas. 
55  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 07, 2015, 11:00:49 AM
Is Mark Pfennig still involved with Bitmark?
Didn't see an update from him for quite some time.

Yes, he's been sick recently. Hopefully he's feeling better soon. Not sure if he's over it yet or not.

Sorry to hear that.

Do you know what he sick with?



So you dont think he made claims with poor knowledge that may damage the confidence in the project? If I were an outsider, my confidence could've been shattered.
Just leave Melvin, why are you trying to damage the confidence in Bitmark making such claims? if you dont care about it just gtho and stop FUDing.. Im sick of your EMO behavior..

Woah, lets not go down that road please. Melvin wants the project to succeed as much as anyone and he's more than entitled to voice his concerns. His intentions are good and he's already contributed a massive amount to the project so to use that word that's a favourite of every alt out there with something to hide(FUD) is unwarranted in my opinion.

Confidence should be earned anyway. People should be able to speak their mind and raise concerns in a constructive manner.


Why imply that Mark may have moved on to other things if he doesn't even know thing about where Mark is? Thats FUD my friend. There's many people who only view this post as their source of information about Bitmark, and speaking of development being down 90% from its peak plus that Mark may have left causes Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt in the very least.

I don't think he implied that, he just stated that some people were wondering that.

So you dont think he made claims with poor knowledge that may damage the confidence in the project? If I were an outsider, my confidence could've been shattered by his comments. Primarily because he's been deep in the project and made lots of contributions.

All of my observations are public and accurate.  But dont rely on my words, check for yourself.  The metrics I mention are things that should be tracked.  You should be tracking the roadmap and the trello board and the git repository.  

Coinsolidation made a bet that there would be 'easily' 1000 daily active markers by xmas.  As things stand the only daily active marker I know of is me.  Not even mark or amarha or medic marks daily, I do.

So your free to ask me to leave, and I'll consider your words.  

If you want me to post only good news, why dont you create something or do some marking.  I've tried to be as positive as possible about this project, but I think it's intellectually honest to tell things as they are, and the community relies on each other to do so.
56  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 07, 2015, 10:37:17 AM
However, the milestones in this roadmap are quite some time in the past.

From what I have observed

- Core dev is down 90%+ from its peak
- Daily marking is down 90%+ from its peak
- Mining is down 90%+ from its peak
- Price is probably the most stable only down about 80% from its peak
- Some of the projects based on marking (real world marking, music site, markthis) seem to have stalled

Much of the work was believed to being done in private repositories.  Then this was to be moved to a public open source project, but that has not yet happened.  There are, imho legitimate, concerns that something is not right about this project, ranging from whether it's a pump and dump, to wondering if coinsolidation has moved on to other things already.

http://vps.bitmark.co/git

What has been anticipated on a 1-2 day time frame, has changed to a 10-20 day time frame, or perhaps even a 50-100 day time frame.  

The first scenario would be good for the project, the middle I think is OK, but It's not clear how much traction this project will achieve is on the latter time scales.  

Certainly Satoshi pulled off such a feat over a 10 year period, but I think the landscape has changed a lot now

2015 may well be a big year for bitmark, and I hope it is!  I think the project could do well if mark stays with it.  But imho, there are still some unknowns.

You bring up some valid concerns. At this stage of the game, it would be great to see an updated road map. When I originally came across Bitmark there really seemed to be an intense amount of development and outreach going on, and this may still be the case, but on the outside looking in, it does seem as if this have slowed down a great deal. I understand the development process can be overwhelming, not to mention every day personal life issues take priority.

Additionally, I have a concern regarding a separate matter. A while back, it was requested the community provide developer loans. I happily sent .3 btc as a loan and have patiently waited. If I am not mistaken, the terms of the loans were to be paid in 60 days @ 10%. I sent my loan on August 21, 2014 and have had no further update and/or payment. Please provide an update.

I dont log on here frequently, but if you PM me I can try and help.
57  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 04, 2015, 05:53:30 AM
Is Mark Pfennig still involved with Bitmark?
Didn't see an update from him for quite some time.

Yes, he's been sick recently. Hopefully he's feeling better soon. Not sure if he's over it yet or not.

Sorry to hear that.

Do you know what he sick with?

58  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: December 31, 2014, 01:49:07 PM
biggest unknowns for me is whether bitmark will go inactive or whether it will go viral

also whether recent systems such as changetip will start marking using bits, or reddit notes or some other system will go viral
59  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: December 30, 2014, 11:08:06 AM
However, the milestones in this roadmap are quite some time in the past.

From what I have observed

- Core dev is down 90%+ from its peak
- Daily marking is down 90%+ from its peak
- Mining is down 90%+ from its peak
- Price is probably the most stable only down about 80% from its peak
- Some of the projects based on marking (real world marking, music site, markthis) seem to have stalled

Much of the work was believed to being done in private repositories.  Then this was to be moved to a public open source project, but that has not yet happened.  There are, imho legitimate, concerns that something is not right about this project, ranging from whether it's a pump and dump, to wondering if coinsolidation has moved on to other things already.

http://vps.bitmark.co/git

What has been anticipated on a 1-2 day time frame, has changed to a 10-20 day time frame, or perhaps even a 50-100 day time frame.  

The first scenario would be good for the project, the middle I think is OK, but It's not clear how much traction this project will achieve is on the latter time scales.  

Certainly Satoshi pulled off such a feat over a 10 year period, but I think the landscape has changed a lot now

2015 may well be a big year for bitmark, and I hope it is!  I think the project could do well if mark stays with it.  But imho, there are still some unknowns.
60  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: November 27, 2014, 11:18:46 AM
Wanted to take a minute to express my grated toward the Bitmark Community.

Y'all are truly an amazing group of people. Looking back, Mark was a genius to structure the OP in such a way, as it mitigated noise and promoted the healthy growth of a community of like minded people. As Mark stated, we had an urgent matter within the community. Thankfully, we were effectively able to impact the life of an esteemed member of our community, half-way across the globe.

Additionally, the timeline has shifted to the right and the next milestone looks to be on target for this weekend.

Y'all have a great week, Happy Thanksgiving and enjoy the holidays...Don't forget to spend time with the people you love.  Wink

That's great news.

In a DAC no one is expected to meet every milestone, in fact, the autonomous nature is that no one should feel expected to contribute at all.  That people step up to the plate and volunteer, time, code, donations and mining is a remarkable thing.

The project plan looks very cool and well put together.

In all projects, unexpected things come up, and it's great that the community has been able to get trough these challenges.  

However, I will note that the first release was anticipated on 21st Nov. and we didnt have any word until the 26th, 5 days later, that it was going to be late.  Indeed, those of us that waited were told on the 21st that it the release was still expected that day.  While I dont think it was a particularly mission critical release, in fact I still am unclear what MEWA is, there was general excitement in the community as it would have been the first lines of actual code we got to see after several months of waiting.  Until then it's been on track for either 2 days away, or the end of the week, for about 10 weeks, rolling.  I think it's unfortunate, because had this not been the first lines of code of core marking, I think there would have not been so much excitement and expectation.

I know this is an alt coin and such things, if not worse, are quite normal.  However, this track record has left considerable doubt of the future claims of the project, even to some of the most staunch supporters.

It's really encouraging that people are taking a the time to offer transparency and expected milestones.  But it would be helpful for everyone in the community if those milestones are realistic, and if some consideration is shown when not able to meet them.  I stress that this is not a must, and there is no obligation here, but this is a general code of conduct consistent with the very highest quality, and long term successful open source projects.
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